Vegetarianism. Seriously? (A Debate)

Sarauk2sf

Gorillas do eat meat, as do chimpanzees and koala bears, just before they're referenced. Carry on.

While this is actually true - it is insects they eat (usually ants). There is no conclusive proof that gorillas eat meat (other than insects) in the wild. Chimps - yes, gorillas, no.

We like steak. Trust me.

So you equate yourself to a chimp and other lesser primates that do eat mammal meat.

scs143

When I was 9 my aunt and uncle had a cow. I asked to see that cow every time we visited because I had never been near a cow before. One day, bumper wasn't in the barn area anymore. The adults told me bumper ran away. It happened to be Easter. We ate dinner.

I overheard my mom tell my aunt that "bumper was really tender.".

I have not ate meat since. I am 34 years old and still can't bring myself to do it, although I cook it daily for my family.

I don't know the pros/cons but I can tell you that I think eating meat would make my weightloss go faster. I just can't do it!

gchutson

so basically, you posted this topic not because you're genuinely curious about vegetarianism, but because you think your diet is superior and you'd like vegetarians to agree with you?

No, I posted this topic to ask if anyone cares to debate the benefits / drawbacks of vegetarianism VS yummy, yummy meat.

This fact was cryptically hidden within the second sentence of the original post that stated, "Anyone care to debate the benefits / drawbacks of vegetarianism VS yummy, yummy meat."

I can be so coy with my intentions at times.

my bad. i thought that when you made the comment "Again, I'm not judging. I'm just curious" you were cryptically implying that you were not judging, and just curious.

Um, yes?

I feel like you're trying to pick a fight with me. Which is awesome. Here, I'll start. Zumba makes me want to punch kittens in the face. Go..

gchutson

Gorillas do eat meat, as do chimpanzees and koala bears, just before they're referenced. Carry on.

While this is actually true - it is insects they eat (usually ants). There is no conclusive proof that gorillas eat meat (other than insects) in the wild. Chimps - yes, gorillas, no.

We like steak. Trust me.

So you equate yourself to a chimp and other lesser primates that do eat mammal meat.

<--- vanilla gorilla.

_Bob_

MEAT IS MURDER! delicious murder.... and milk is rape, I wouldn't have it any other way.

when I was a kid we used to raise rabbits, they were so cute and cuddily and we protected them from the neighborhood cats and dogs. we would name then and play with them and then when they got big enough we would eat them. they were so delicious and we never really felt bad about it because that's what they were there for. still remember thanking the individual rabit we were about to eat when we'd pray over our food.

you can warp it however you'd like and believe that it's wrong to eat the food that walked around before you eat it. or you can just accept that we were made to eat meat with our veggies.

to my Vegan and veggie friends out there, keep up the good work. eat what you like and I'll do the same :flowerforyou:

gchutson

When I was 9 my aunt and uncle had a cow. I asked to see that cow every time we visited because I had never been near a cow before. One day, bumper wasn't in the barn area anymore. The adults told me bumper ran away. It happened to be Easter. We ate dinner.

I overheard my mom tell my aunt that "bumper was really tender.".

I have not ate meat since. I am 34 years old and still can't bring myself to do it, although I cook it daily for my family.

I don't know the pros/cons but I can tell you that I think eating meat would make my weightloss go faster. I just can't do it!

Holy *kitten*. I was just kidding about ACTUALLY KNOWING THE COW'S NAME. Gah.

tallskinnyblond

I've been a vegetarian all my life and have never eaten any kind of meat or fish. To me, it doesn't make much difference whether someone eats meat or not, and I have never had a problem with people eating/cooking meat around me. I'm a vegetarian due to moral reasons from my mum but I'd never think anyone's opinions on eating meat are wrong because it just depends on the individual's tastes and morals I hate vegetarians who think that everyone who eats meat is wrong and always true to convert haha. I'd never do that. Vegetarianism is definitely an individual thing

V3ggieL0vinGinger

I'm a vegan, but that being said, I have nothing against people who eat meat. For me, I chose veganism because of animal rights and environmental issues. I feel great about what I eat and I feel the best I've every felt mentally and physically. I started out vegetarian but thought "why not be vegan?" since I'm lactose intolerant anyways :P

Well, that's my side of the argument.

scs143

When I was 9 my aunt and uncle had a cow. I asked to see that cow every time we visited because I had never been near a cow before. One day, bumper wasn't in the barn area anymore. The adults told me bumper ran away. It happened to be Easter. We ate dinner.

I overheard my mom tell my aunt that "bumper was really tender.".

I have not ate meat since. I am 34 years old and still can't bring myself to do it, although I cook it daily for my family.

I don't know the pros/cons but I can tell you that I think eating meat would make my weightloss go faster. I just can't do it!

Holy *kitten*. I was just kidding about ACTUALLY KNOWING THE COW'S NAME. Gah.

Haha. Yep. Although I don't know origin and birthdate. Next time my family buys a cow and lies about it being a pet- I will ask!

ashleygx26

I'm not judging, but I just don't get it.

Anyone care to debate the benefits / drawbacks of vegetarianism VS yummy, yummy meat with me?

To quantify my position, I'm on the side of meat. All meat. I eat meat, with meat sprinkled on it. I am not emotionally swayed by eating meat. In fact, I prefer to know the name, birthday and religion of the cow, before I eat it. (Joking, calm down. But, my side of the debate is now clearly established.)

Now, before we begin, please know that I'm uneducated, shy, small and frail. So, please be gentle.

Is this serious?? Ever occur to you that some people just don't like the taste of meat like some people just don't lie the taste of veggies?? Try to be open minded. I have been a vegetarian since the age of two because I just hate the way meat and seafood taste. It doesn't appeal to me. I have tried different things through my 22 years of being a vegetarian, and it all makes me nauseous.

gchutson

I've been a vegetarian all my life and have never eaten any kind of meat or fish. To me, it doesn't make much difference whether someone eats meat or not, and I have never had a problem with people eating/cooking meat around me. I'm a vegetarian due to moral reasons from my mum but I'd never think anyone's opinions on eating meat are wrong because it just depends on the individual's tastes and morals I hate vegetarians who think that everyone who eats meat is wrong and always true to convert haha. I'd never do that. Vegetarianism is definitely an individual thing

Cool vegetarians rule.

gchutson

When I was 9 my aunt and uncle had a cow. I asked to see that cow every time we visited because I had never been near a cow before. One day, bumper wasn't in the barn area anymore. The adults told me bumper ran away. It happened to be Easter. We ate dinner.

I overheard my mom tell my aunt that "bumper was really tender.".

I have not ate meat since. I am 34 years old and still can't bring myself to do it, although I cook it daily for my family.

I don't know the pros/cons but I can tell you that I think eating meat would make my weightloss go faster. I just can't do it!

Holy *kitten*. I was just kidding about ACTUALLY KNOWING THE COW'S NAME. Gah.

Haha. Yep. Although I don't know origin and birthdate. Next time my family buys a cow and lies about it being a pet- I will ask!

Ok, that's just hot.

tabulator32

I actually tried veganism for six weeks and I felt great and lost weight. The more I researched it, the more I found out long-term vegans were generally supplementing their diet with vitamin and nutrient pills to get some of the things they couldn't get enough of in their vegan diet. That's when I started gradually eating meat again.

gchutson

I'm not judging, but I just don't get it.

Anyone care to debate the benefits / drawbacks of vegetarianism VS yummy, yummy meat with me?

To quantify my position, I'm on the side of meat. All meat. I eat meat, with meat sprinkled on it. I am not emotionally swayed by eating meat. In fact, I prefer to know the name, birthday and religion of the cow, before I eat it. (Joking, calm down. But, my side of the debate is now clearly established.)

Now, before we begin, please know that I'm uneducated, shy, small and frail. So, please be gentle.

Is this serious?? Ever occur to you that some people just don't like the taste of meat like some people just don't lie the taste of veggies?? Try to be open minded. I have been a vegetarian since the age of two because I just hate the way meat and seafood taste. It doesn't appeal to me. I have tried different things through my 22 years of being a vegetarian, and it all makes me nauseous.

I agree with your opinion regarding the taste of seafood. In the south, we call that "bait."

emily356

I love meat. My body does not respond well to only veggies, especially only carbs. I never understood why, but I have read about (from Jillian Michaels) how people's bodies metabolize food differently. There are fast, slow, and balanced oxidizers. Now, I am not saying any of this is proven or scientific. I just read it, answered the questions, and boy, was it on target for me!!! I feel the absolute best when I eat a diet that has a lot of meat in it. According to her, because I am a fast oxidizer and my body breaks down food extremely quickly, and supposedly why I always feel so bad if I don't get enough meat. Who knows for sure? Our bodies are all unique and everyone has different beliefs. For the record, I hate hearing about blasted monkies, gorillas, chimps, blah, blah, blah, and what they eat. You may as well tell me, well, cows eat grass. I don't care. I am NOT a monkey!!! I am a human being and they are not my "ancestors" or "cousins" or whatever else. *Rant over*. I do love animals, and buy my grass fed beef and milk from a local farm. I do NOT like cruelty to animals.

bulbadoof

It's their business, not mine.

gchutson

I actually tried veganism for six weeks and I felt great and lost weight. The more I researched it, the more I found out long-term vegans were generally supplementing their diet with vitamin and nutrient pills to get some of the things they couldn't get enough of in their vegan diet. That's when I started gradually eating meat again.

I get 10 - 20 emails a day trying to sell me pills that will supplement my meat.

emily356

Hahahaha!!! Bait!! Love it!! I hate seafood!!:D

MoreBean13

I have exactly zero inclination to debate my diet vs. anyone else's. I made my choices a long, long time ago, and they're nobody else's biznatch.

I would be happy to help anyone interested in vegetarian learn how to balance their diet and get enough protein to lift heavy *kitten* and run really far, though.

gchutson

I love meat. My body does not respond well to only veggies, especially only carbs. I never understood why, but I have read about (from Jillian Michaels) how people's bodies metabolize food differently. There are fast, slow, and balanced oxidizers. Now, I am not saying any of this is proven or scientific. I just read it, answered the questions, and boy, was it on target for me!!! I feel the absolute best when I eat a diet that has a lot of meat in it. According to her, because I am a fast oxidizer and my body breaks down food extremely quickly, and supposedly why I always feel so bad if I don't get enough meat. Who knows for sure? Our bodies are all unique and everyone has different beliefs. For the record, I hate hearing about blasted monkies, gorillas, chimps, blah, blah, blah, and what they eat. You may as well tell me, well, cows eat grass. I don't care. I am NOT a monkey!!! I am a human being and they are not my "ancestors" or "cousins" or whatever else. *Rant over*. I do love animals, and buy my grass fed beef and milk from a local farm. I do NOT like cruelty to animals.

Started off with "I love meat." Then closed with "I hate gorillas." She giveth, and she taketh away.

deaddivya

A few years ago I was quite a meat lover, but that changed when I got more involved with its provenance.
To know that animals are cultured and killed in mostly barbarous conditions just that I can enjoy a meal hinders me to actually enjoy it. I simply can't eat meat anymore because I always think that this animal died to land on my plate. To be honest, it disgusts me a little.
I still respect everyone and every opinion and don't walk around, point at every person who eats meat and yell murder. I don't want anyone other to review my meals and lack of meat in them neither. Just not other peoples business.

gchutson

I have exactly zero inclination to debate my diet vs. anyone else's. I made my choices a long, long time ago, and they're nobody else's biznatch.

I would be happy to help anyone interested in vegetarian learn how to balance their diet and get enough protein to lift heavy *kitten* and run really far, though.

I'm interested, but only if you promise to close every sentence with the word "biznatch."

emily356

I love meat. My body does not respond well to only veggies, especially only carbs. I never understood why, but I have read about (from Jillian Michaels) how people's bodies metabolize food differently. There are fast, slow, and balanced oxidizers. Now, I am not saying any of this is proven or scientific. I just read it, answered the questions, and boy, was it on target for me!!! I feel the absolute best when I eat a diet that has a lot of meat in it. According to her, because I am a fast oxidizer and my body breaks down food extremely quickly, and supposedly why I always feel so bad if I don't get enough meat. Who knows for sure? Our bodies are all unique and everyone has different beliefs. For the record, I hate hearing about blasted monkies, gorillas, chimps, blah, blah, blah, and what they eat. You may as well tell me, well, cows eat grass. I don't care. I am NOT a monkey!!! I am a human being and they are not my "ancestors" or "cousins" or whatever else. *Rant over*. I do love animals, and buy my grass fed beef and milk from a local farm. I do NOT like cruelty to animals.

Started off with "I love meat." Then closed with "I hate gorillas." She giveth, and she taketh away.

:laugh:

Lipstickcherry

The only thing we can't get from a plant-based diet enough of is B12. That is because B12 is made from bacteria naturally in animals.
It's easy to take as a vitamin and there is also vegan fortified food with it. When I look at my MFP each day, I have lots and lots of protein, iron and everything else...but potassium. I am on 2 hbp meds that can leech potassium, so right now I am working on getting more potassium. And researching that,I find a list of plant based food tops the list:
Foods with Potassium Serving Size Potassium (mg)
Apricots, dried 10 halves 407
Avocados, raw 1 ounce 180
Bananas, raw 1 cup 594
Beets, cooked 1 cup 519
Brussel sprouts, cooked 1 cup 504
Cantaloupe 1 cup 494
Dates, dry 5 dates 271

braign

I was a vegetarian for perhaps a year when I was a bratty teen, but I was the type of vegetarian who also didn't like vegetables, so all I'd eat was pretty much instant noodles and cheese pizza lol. I got back into the meat-eating thing when I found out I had an iron deficiency after almost passing out at work.

Now I'm cynical. I figure, we kill millions of rats in the sewer every year across the developed world because it suits us, and poison, starve or just plain put pigeons down because they're 'pests', or 'vermin', but the cute animals get all the press and activism.

MoreBean13

I have exactly zero inclination to debate my diet vs. anyone else's. I made my choices a long, long time ago, and they're nobody else's biznatch.

I would be happy to help anyone interested in vegetarian learn how to balance their diet and get enough protein to lift heavy *kitten* and run really far, though.

I'm interested, but only if you promise to close every sentence with the word "biznatch."

One of the lesser understood side effects of being a vegetarian long term is that it makes you speak like a 1990's rapper.

RitaB19

I personally have nothing against people eating meat as long as its leaner cuts of meat, it is healthier. Meat is a good source of protein and iron. That being said, I am a Lacto-Ovo Vegetarian. Personally, I do not like meat. I also prefer to be vegetarian b/c I think its healthier. I am not an animal rights activist. I simply don't like the taste of meat and it grosses me out. I have been vegetarian since the age of 21. Was forced to eat it as a child but never liked it. A vegetarian diet can be unhealthy too if you eat the wrong foods like bad carbs (white refined, sweets, and junk food of course).

iKapuniai

Mmmm... meat. Totally making steak tonight.

fitplease

I can't eat a lot of meat. I don't like it enough. However, I couldn't live without eating it. I am also mindful an animal died for food, so I try not to waste any when I do eat it.

AndiJoy812

I love meat...especially my husband's. He is really great in the kitchen.

I have a lot of respect for people who are vegan or vegetarians - it's not a diet that I would enjoy on a regular basis. However, I wish one of the many vegans or vegetarians would speak with my 350 lb vegetarian niece, and please tell her that eating three meals a day of Kraft Macaroni and Cheese isn't quite the way her "vegetarian" diet is supposed to work.

I have noticed that since I have been eating healthier, my body does process meat differently. Chicken and fish are fine - but if I eat anything that has higher fat content, my body lets me know that it is not happy with me. It's not worth it.