Vegetarianism. Seriously? (A Debate)

twistygirl

I am with you, I eat only chicken, no beef,pork, turkey or seafood.......However I do have a problem when vegetarians try and force there views on meat eaters.....They fail to realize that many animals have no problem eating humans or vegetarian animals. There is room for all on this planet. Can we all just honor each others belief in peace............:drinker:

Sarauk2sf

I am with you, I eat only chicken, no beef,pork, turkey or seafood.......However I do have a problem when vegetarians try and force there views on meat eaters.....They fail to realize that many animals have no problem eating humans or vegetarian animals. There is room for all on this planet. Can we all just honor each others belief in peace............:drinker:

It goes both ways!

dsjohndrow

I'm not a strict vegetarian. I do eat beef and pork. But not fish 'cause that's disgusting! ~Jim Gaffigan

Lipstickcherry

Our meat is covered in **** (animal excrement). The animals are packed together in cramped quarters. That itself did not stop me from eating meat.
I tried eating vegan only going off that when I went on vacation and one day when I had an in and out burger since April. I now don't like the texture of meat most days, dairy upsets my stomach greatly so I feel better. My cholesterol did not come down which leads me to believe I consume too much bread product/agave syrup etc which is upping my triglycerides. Life without meat simply = less stomach upsets and more energy. My boyfriend eats meat, I don't tell others what they need to do. It is a personal choice.

hungryhungryhypocrite

well, from what I understand.. most people are against it because of animal cruelty. I know a guy who really just doesn't like meat. He's not morally against it or anything he just has never liked it. So there's that. Also, my bulimic friend is vegan to keep her weight down. No other reason. So there's a few reasons for you. I personally could never do it. I don't like poultry, but that's barely meat.

hungryhungryhypocrite

I'm not sure I understand the terms of the debate. You like the taste of meat, nd therefore vegetarianism is wrong? Is that your basic argument, OP? really really?

calm down. where did he write that vegetarianism is wrong? Can you read?

Sarauk2sf

What bothers me about that whole lot [of people that have never existed ever] (referencing other people is forbidden), is that you never see "healthy" vegetarians. By "healthy," I mean my definition of "healthy." IE, muscles, built, powerful, etc...

Actually there are a fair amount of vegetarian bodybuilders in the IFBB, but I guess you could argue it doesn't matter that much what you're eating when the drugs in your veins mean you put on muscle lifting a fork to your face - which vegetarians have to do a whole lot more.

The sheer quantity of food I would have to consume to meet my protein and calorific needs in plant matter would be astronomical, let alone the expense of it all. I'll stick to my 3 chicken fillets or big fat steak.

I couldn't even imagine how someone could meet some of the calorie goals I've seen here without meat. I find that with my number (just over 1400 without exercise) it can be hard getting to it with just legumes and veggies. And I feel like I'm always eating!

Vegetarians are allowed dairy which is generally high in protein.

Ninatoots

I grew up eating as a vegitarian not vegan. After a doctor told my parents I needed to eat meat I did and I know I got healthy afterwards!
My Mom after her second husband died went to live awhile with her sister who didn't eat meat. She ate milk, cheese, and sutch. Mom got so hungry for something else so she opened a can of cat food (tuna) and ate it! Now that stuff is BAD! :sick:

Nina

gchutson

I'm not sure I understand the terms of the debate. You like the taste of meat, nd therefore vegetarianism is wrong? Is that your basic argument, OP? really really?

Argument, no.

Preliminary establishment of parameters pursuant a mildly adversarial discussion regarding the nutritional considerations of both vegetarian and omnivorous lifestyles, yes.

gchutson

I am with you, I eat only chicken, no beef,pork, turkey or seafood.......However I do have a problem when vegetarians try and force there views on meat eaters.....They fail to realize that many animals have no problem eating humans or vegetarian animals. There is room for all on this planet. Can we all just honor each others belief in peace............:drinker:

It goes both ways!

You're bi-vorious?

Sarauk2sf

I am with you, I eat only chicken, no beef,pork, turkey or seafood.......However I do have a problem when vegetarians try and force there views on meat eaters.....They fail to realize that many animals have no problem eating humans or vegetarian animals. There is room for all on this planet. Can we all just honor each others belief in peace............:drinker:

It goes both ways!

You're bi-vorious?

:laugh:

gchutson

Our meat is covered in **** (animal excrement).

You're just trying to make me hungry.

gchutson

I'm not a strict vegetarian. I do eat beef and pork. But not fish 'cause that's disgusting! ~Jim Gaffigan

HAHAHAHA... and...

"Do you know what they do to those poor chickens?" ... No, but it's deliciousssss.

Sarauk2sf

I'm not sure I understand the terms of the debate. You like the taste of meat, nd therefore vegetarianism is wrong? Is that your basic argument, OP? really really?

Argument, no.

Preliminary establishment of parameters pursuant a mildly adversarial discussion regarding the nutritional considerations of both vegetarian and omnivorous lifestyles, yes.

I agree with an earlier comment from Tigersword. You can have unhealthy diets and healthy diets being a meat-eater and being vegetarian. From a nutritional persepective, I cannot see the point of not eating meat. However, there are many other reasons for people to not eat meat including:

- ethical
- religious
- specific health issues

TammyB1111

its either for ethical/ environmental reasons or they just dont like eating flesh as a personal prefrence... i have no problems with that. the issue lies where there are ones that say that being vegetarian or vegan is some how superior or more healthy than omniverous eating... the 80/10/10 diet?? thats ridiculous.

What bothers me about that whole lot [of people that have never existed ever] (referencing other people is forbidden), is that you never see "healthy" vegetarians. By "healthy," I mean my definition of "healthy." IE, muscles, built, powerful, etc...

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meerkat70

For those concerned, be assured, I'm perfectly 'calm'.

To the OP, when you ask for a debate, it's typical to lay down the terms of your argument - that's how debate happens. One person outlines an argument, the other person lays down theirs, and evidence and rational development of those arguments proceeds...

Your basic premise remains obscure. If there's something beyond 'Meat: I like it' in your original premise, I might be able to offer some counterpoint. But it's hard to actually debate on the point of what tingles someone else's tastebuds

deadstarsunburn

Not all vegetarians/vegans chose to eat that way because they "feel bad."
I don't do it for simply feeling bad for the animals, that's something that came later in life and I cook meat for my boyfriend.
Meat simply grosses me out. Everything about it.
It has since I was three.

Anyway I really don't care who does and doesn't eat meat it's not a personality trait or part of anyone's character it's what they are eating. I can't believe how insanely up tight people get about EATING.

To the person who said "salad is what food eats," that is just about the most ridiculous thing I've heard in my life.

thelovelyLIZ

Keep in mind there are a lot of reasons people choose to go vegetarian.
-Health reasons
-Humane reasons (for many, it's simply dislike of factory farms. Some vegetarians don't mind eating humanely raised meat)
-General dislike of meat
-Religious reasons
etc

I personally am not a vegetarian, but I consider myself a "flexetarian." I have been vegetarian before, when i gave meat up for Lent a couple times. My body does not process large amounts of meat well. If I eat a meat-heavy meal, I feel bloated and sluggish. When I do eat meat, it's usually only a small portion of my meal (3oz of chicken breast is pretty typical). I shoot to only eat meat at dinner time, and I try to have a few meat free days a week. Frankly, I don't really like most meat that much anyway, except for seafood. I've considered going vegetarian permanently a few times, but I have no strong convictions about why it needs to be limited from my diet entirely, rather than just eaten in moderation. Also, my boyfriend likes meat and I like to be able to cook dinner for both of us, hahaha.

I personally couldn't never do veganism though. I love eggs, they're one of my main protein sources.

VeganPanda

Meat's not the problem, it's how the living and breathing animal is treated while it has a life, brain, and feelings, and the way in which it is treated during slaughter.

Since you are obviously not going to be swayed by any postings, why start a "debate"?

As you say, you are uneducated, so I forgive you. (yes, I know, you're kidding, but I wouldn't be surprised if you really were uneducated)

Alas, we will never live in a world of vegetarians, or even one where cruelty to "farm" animals has disappeared.

hesn92

I don't see how this could be a debate. I eat meat and I don't give a **** whether other people choose to eat it or not. The end.

fteale

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I am vegetarian because I think it is morally disgusting to rear and kill other living creatures for our own warped gratification. We don't need meat, if we were carnivores and we had no choice I might feel differently, but given I have been perfectly healthy for the last 22 years on a vegetarian diet, I don't think there is any valid reason why humans should eat meat. IMO "it tastes good" is a pathetic justification. Necrophilia might feel good, but it's gross so humans don't do it. I feel the same about eating something that is dead.

*disclaimer - obviously plants don't count not having a brain or central nervous system or consciousness.

gchutson

For those concerned, be assured, I'm perfectly 'calm'.

To the OP, when you ask for a debate, it's typical to lay down the terms of your argument - that's how debate happens. One person outlines an argument, the other person lays down theirs, and evidence and rational development of those arguments proceeds...

Your basic premise remains obscure. If there's something beyond 'Meat: I like it' in your original premise, I might be able to offer some counterpoint. But it's hard to actually debate on the point of what tingles someone else's tastebuds

Sadly, I agree with you completely. However, by clearly establishing an "actual debate" pursuant your aforementioned construct, this thread would have been shutdown within approximately 5 minutes.

Trust me on this.

Thus, I opened with a lighthearted "discussion point / counter-point" protocol in an effort to get people talking.

As for the education in procedure, I am quite familiar. They taught us all the good stuff in law school.

wrevhn

Well, my entire family discusses this a lot. To me, most vegans and quite a many vegetarians just never look healthy. None of us get it. I don't buy the "not hurting living creatures" thing. A. dogs and cats eat meat and require it if you feed you cat tofu your evil. B. just because plants don't have faces or vocal cords doesn't mean your not eating them alive, killing them, or hurting them. We must eat life to live. Can't live off of rocks.

not to ruffle feathers. just one family's opinion. everyone is allowed their own.

gchutson

Meat's not the problem, it's how the living and breathing animal is treated while it has a life, brain, and feelings, and the way in which it is treated during slaughter.

Since you are obviously not going to be swayed by any postings, why start a "debate"?

As you say, you are uneducated, so I forgive you. (yes, I know, you're kidding, but I wouldn't be surprised if you really were uneducated)

Alas, we will never live in a world of vegetarians, or even one where cruelty to "farm" animals has disappeared.

Someone commented earlier that it's not "vegetarians," rather their "holier-than-thou attitude."

Eh hem. Wink wink. Nudge nudge.

nikinyx6

To the person who said "salad is what food eats," that is just about the most ridiculous thing I've heard in my life.

That was me. Just joking around, I eat salad too :P

gchutson

I don't see how this could be a debate. I eat meat and I don't give a **** whether other people choose to eat it or not. The end.

Exactly. No one should ever talk about anything, ever. Especially on a forum. Who do people think they are? Talking about stuff in place designed to talk about stuff. The nerve of some people.

Sarauk2sf

Meat's not the problem, it's how the living and breathing animal is treated while it has a life, brain, and feelings, and the way in which it is treated during slaughter.

Since you are obviously not going to be swayed by any postings, why start a "debate"?

As you say, you are uneducated, so I forgive you. (yes, I know, you're kidding, but I wouldn't be surprised if you really were uneducated)

Alas, we will never live in a world of vegetarians, or even one where cruelty to "farm" animals has disappeared.

Someone commented earlier that it's not "vegetarians," rather their "holier-than-thou attitude."

Eh hem. Wink wink. Nudge nudge.

And this is why I hate these types of posts. You end up with people taking the moral highground (which they are entitled to do, it just niggles me) and then you have others making ridiculous statements like plants have feelings. They always end up the same.

diddyk

What bothers me about that whole lot [of people that have never existed ever] (referencing other people is forbidden), is that you never see "healthy" vegetarians. By "healthy," I mean my definition of "healthy." IE, muscles, built, powerful, etc...

I'm a vegetarian, it started because I didn't like meat as a child. My parents made me eat it, and when I was old enough to prepare my own food, I became a vegetarian. That being said, now that I am older and wiser, the moral aspect is also very important to me. I also live with meat eaters and have no problem with it, it's your choice. I leave it alone and expect people to leave my choice alone.

I understand people are supposed to eat meat, for ages is was a necessity to survive. If you want to go out, kill your own meal, and use rest of the animal for various purposes, power to you, I respect that. I just don't see walking into the butcher or grocery store humane.

And just because you had to say it's not possible,

gchutson

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I am vegetarian because I think it is morally disgusting to rear and kill other living creatures for our own warped gratification. We don't need meat, if we were carnivores and we had no choice I might feel differently, but given I have been perfectly healthy for the last 22 years on a vegetarian diet, I don't think there is any valid reason why humans should eat meat. IMO "it tastes good" is a pathetic justification. Necrophilia might feel good, but it's gross so humans don't do it. I feel the same about eating something that is dead.

*disclaimer - obviously plants don't count not having a brain or central nervous system or consciousness.
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Speaking for all my fellow gorillas, I am mildly offended by this.

deadstarsunburn

To the person who said "salad is what food eats," that is just about the most ridiculous thing I've heard in my life.

That was me. Just joking around, I eat salad too :P

Okay lol than I apologize.
I have quite a bit of annoyance associated with that because I hear that exact phrase whenever I visit my boyfriends family it drives me insane.