"No Mayo?" Why Americans Are Fat

mrsnathanandrew

I used to go to subway and get tuna salad on white with extra mayo, now I can't stand the taste of full fat mayo, if I want mayo like to make tuna salad I have to use the lite fat free or whatever. Now when I go to subway I replace the mayo with mustard, and don't get tuna salad. It makes me gag, the amount of mayo they put on peoples subs :-|

WendyTerry420

I actually base my choices around being able to fit mayo calories in. I can't stand mustard, and don't like "dry" sandwiches. I also like mayo.

People seem to fall either into the "I love mayo" or "I hate mayo" camp with no in-betweens.

Ha!! Ya found one! I like mayo sometimes, on some things, but sometimes I get tired of it. Sometimes I even mix the mustard in with my mayo!

Tammi623

What is it about the American lifestyle and way of eating that make it No. 1 in obesity stats?

two words for ya: industrial revolution.

Uhh... Yeah, because the U.S. is the only country to have gone through an industrial revolution, huh? Besides, the obesity problem really came after the U.S. de-industrialized, not during its industrialization. I have no idea where you were going with that point.

pretty clear, isn't it? as the country became more industrialized -- meaning less physical labor required to complete jobs -- it also became more sedentary. and, obviously, the U.S. isn't the only industrialized nation. look at the most obese countries. they are those that are most reliant on technology. that's why there is an increase in obesity in the developing countries. they are now seeing the effects of an inactive lifestyle combined with calorie-dense diets.

the U.S. used to be something like 90 percent farmers. it's down to, what, 2 percent now? where did those 88 percent go? desk jobs. how do they get to those desk jobs? cars. what do they do when they get home from those desk jobs? watch TV.

(and those farmers and ranchers -- the group that used to be the majority -- they have to eat way more than any of us do in order to simply maintain weight. 3,000 calories plus a day. because they are actively burning that off. so the problem comes in when we all eat like we're still farmers or ranchers instead of sedentary office workers.)

the biggest reason for obesity isn't what people are eating. it is how little they are moving. we used to have to move in order to survive. that isn't the case now.

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:huh: are you kidding? Where is the smiley banging its head into the wall when you need it? ... I actually stopped following the thread after that

......... Somebody missed a couple of history classes. People did not take on desk jobs during the IR in mass numbers. They went into factories (hard, dangerous, manual labor). Most of the population would have been small and malnourished because they didn't earn enough money to eat properly and worked long hours. Desk jobs did not start showing up in mass effect until way AFTER the IR. And that would also imply that the farmers did the labor themselves before the IR …. They didn’t because, you know, a little thing called slavery and indentured servants (who were not considered citizens and would not be called “Americans”). There were always fat people who had sedentary lifestyles because they could afford to have others do their work
I see where you are going with this but really just not quite right. Even IF this was right and desk jobs made Americans fat, what about all the other industrialized nations who progressed into the tertiary form of employment (desk jobs)? America is not the only country who has an office based style of work force.

Just soooooo much in this thread is just .... SMH

WendyTerry420

I personally think the word "processed" is thrown around way too much. Processed simply means prepared. The chicken you're eating...do you actually feed, kill, clean, and cut the chicken yourself? Probably not, therefore it is processed. Same thing with just about everything you eat. Just because something is "processed" does not make it void of nutrition.

I don't think anyone would argue that a chicken is "processed" because they haven't hunted it themselves, but essentially other than being cleaned and gutted it hasn't essentially been meddled with. Nothing added and nothing taken away. That is not processed in my eyes.

Unlike low quality sausages that contain only 40% meat with the rest being grissle and god knows what else.

Cleaning and gutting an animal *IS* actually a process.

rml_16

I try to replace the bad fats with good ones. For instance, when an Avocado is available, it makes a very yummy replacement for mayo and it's a good fat.

Most mayo is a good fat, too. It's usually made with a healthy oil rich in omega-3s.

tigersword

Exactly what am I supposed to be surprised about in that post? Mayo is relatively high calorie? So is an avocado.

What are the micro nutrients and fiber found in 200 calories of mayo versus 200 calories from an avocado?

What are the micronutrients and fiber found in 200 calories of grass fed beef compared to an avocado? Why are you comparing 2 completely different types of food? How much fiber do eggs have? You're obsessed with fiber. Fiber is only one of many nutrients, and not all healthy foods are supposed to have fiber in it. You're not making any sense.

wewon

Exactly what am I supposed to be surprised about in that post? Mayo is relatively high calorie? So is an avocado.

What are the micro nutrients and fiber found in 200 calories of mayo versus 200 calories from an avocado?

What are the micronutrients and fiber found in 200 calories of grass fed beef compared to an avocado? Why are you comparing 2 completely different types of food? How much fiber do eggs have? You're obsessed with fiber. Fiber is only one of many nutrients, and not all healthy foods are supposed to have fiber in it. You're not making any sense.

I'm asking because you immediately threw them together as a refute. Why would you make that initial comparison?

I also 'micro nutrients and fiber' but thanks.

Are you even following this thread?

KathrynDePolska

Some of you are taking what im saying too literally. Im just trying to say, since we are all trying to loose weight, i thought it would be wise to say... if you make a 200 calorie sandwich and you put 50 calories of mayo on it, mayo isnt really a food that fills you up. You could have some kind of fruit or veggie that is 50 calories instead of the mayo and it will fill you up because it is food. That way you you can eat more of something that keeps you full. Yes there are low calorie mayo's etc, but i was responding to the MAIN ASKER of this post...at a deli, there usually isnt a low calorie mayo, they just slab it on. So no, i dont think getting mayo at a deli is a good choice just because you dont know what kind or how many calories, etc. THAT IS ALL. If you cut mayo from DELI sandwiches, its a good choice because of the fact that you dont really know how much it is. Sure you can say lite mayo or ask for only a little bit, thats fine. Obviously mayo can be high in calories "like an avocado". Just saying, i would rather have an avocado than mayo. I found this article that explains what im trying to say. You can have mayo, but if you dont eat it, it may have slight affects on your weight loss goal, JUST LIKE IF YOU CUT OUT ANY FOOD, FATTY OR NOT. Way to serious on here, stop thinking people are attacking what your saying or eating and blowing what i say out of proportion.

While you may have heard that not all fats are bad for you, there are particular ones that are. Mayonnaise is bad for you if you consume too much of the high fat kind.

Many of the ingredients found in mayonnaise are not necessarily bad for you, like eggs, water, lemon juice and even salt. However, when you pile it on sandwiches or dips, mayonnaise can increase your cholesterol and add excessive calories to an otherwise healthy meal.

Mayonnaise is typically made of egg yolks. The eggs act as an emulsifier that binds the ingredients together. There are a variety of other ingredients contained in store-bought mayonnaise that allows it to sit safely on the shelves for months. In fact, most mayonnaises found in the grocery store have a shelf life of up to six months. Not all of the ingredients are healthy or natural, which is why many doctors and heart specialists indicate that mayonnaise is bad for you.

Mayonnaise is high in fat and cholesterol. A healthy diet should not consist of large supplies of any foods that are high in saturated fats and cholesterol, otherwise your heart and waistline suffer. If mayonnaise is not something you want to get rid of, look for healthy alternatives, such as mayonnaise made with olive oil or lighter variations of the condiment.


So yes, there are good mayo options, so no not all mayo is bad. But to the original poster, i wouldnt get mayo at a deli just because i wouldnt feel in control of the portion or type of mayo. THATS ALL.

tigersword

Exactly what am I supposed to be surprised about in that post? Mayo is relatively high calorie? So is an avocado.

What are the micro nutrients and fiber found in 200 calories of mayo versus 200 calories from an avocado?

What are the micronutrients and fiber found in 200 calories of grass fed beef compared to an avocado? Why are you comparing 2 completely different types of food? How much fiber do eggs have? You're obsessed with fiber. Fiber is only one of many nutrients, and not all healthy foods are supposed to have fiber in it. You're not making any sense.

I'm asking because you immediately threw them together as a refute. Why would you make that initial comparison?

I also 'micro nutrients and fiber' but thanks.

Are you even following this thread?

I was speaking from a calorie perspective, not from a nutrient perspective. A food being high calorie doesn't automatically make it bad, hence using an example of a high calorie fruit.

If I'm going to compare foods based on micronutrients and fiber, I would be comparing fruits and vegetables with other fruits and vegetables, or grains with other grains. Comparing a fat with a fruit and asking about fiber is silly. Olive oil has much less sugar in it than an apple, so which is healthier? It's an irrelevant comparison.

wewon

I was speaking from a calorie perspective, not from a nutrient perspective. A food being high calorie doesn't automatically make it bad, hence using an example of a high calorie fruit.

If I'm going to compare foods based on micronutrients and fiber, I would be comparing fruits and vegetables with other fruits and vegetables, or grains with other grains. Comparing a fat with a fruit and asking about fiber is silly. Olive oil has much less sugar in it than an apple, so which is healthier? It's an irrelevant comparison.

You simply made the comparison and nutrients are an integral part of food choices. Look, you made a bad comparison in an attempt to sound dismissive and glib, we all do it, best just to own up to it.

I asked you for a more complete comparison and you lost it with a rant about meat and eggs etc.

Its why the whole 'calorie deficit trumps all' argument is a bad one, is shamefully incomplete.

Yes, you can go into a calorie deficit parsing in any foods that you want, a pop-tart here some french fries there, but you will likely sacrifice nutrition.

Hence why mayo shouldn't be arbitrarily compared with avocado.

KCoolBeanz

mayo = food lube


nom.

wewon

mayo = food lube


nom.

LOL!

tigersword

Some of you are taking what im saying too literally. Im just trying to say, since we are all trying to loose weight, i thought it would be wise to say... if you make a 200 calorie sandwich and you put 50 calories of mayo on it, mayo isnt really a food that fills you up. You could have some kind of fruit or veggie that is 50 calories instead of the mayo and it will fill you up because it is food. That way you you can eat more of something that keeps you full. Yes there are low calorie mayo's etc, but i was responding to the MAIN ASKER of this post...at a deli, there usually isnt a low calorie mayo, they just slab it on. So no, i dont think getting mayo at a deli is a good choice just because you dont know what kind or how many calories, etc. THAT IS ALL. If you cut mayo from DELI sandwiches, its a good choice because of the fact that you dont really know how much it is. Sure you can say lite mayo or ask for only a little bit, thats fine. Obviously mayo can be high in calories "like an avocado". Just saying, i would rather have an avocado than mayo. I found this article that explains what im trying to say. You can have mayo, but if you dont eat it, it may have slight affects on your weight loss goal, JUST LIKE IF YOU CUT OUT ANY FOOD, FATTY OR NOT. Way to serious on here, stop thinking people are attacking what your saying or eating and blowing what i say out of proportion.

While you may have heard that not all fats are bad for you, there are particular ones that are. Mayonnaise is bad for you if you consume too much of the high fat kind.

Many of the ingredients found in mayonnaise are not necessarily bad for you, like eggs, water, lemon juice and even salt. However, when you pile it on sandwiches or dips, mayonnaise can increase your cholesterol and add excessive calories to an otherwise healthy meal.

Mayonnaise is typically made of egg yolks. The eggs act as an emulsifier that binds the ingredients together. There are a variety of other ingredients contained in store-bought mayonnaise that allows it to sit safely on the shelves for months. In fact, most mayonnaises found in the grocery store have a shelf life of up to six months. Not all of the ingredients are healthy or natural, which is why many doctors and heart specialists indicate that mayonnaise is bad for you.

Mayonnaise is high in fat and cholesterol. A healthy diet should not consist of large supplies of any foods that are high in saturated fats and cholesterol, otherwise your heart and waistline suffer. If mayonnaise is not something you want to get rid of, look for healthy alternatives, such as mayonnaise made with olive oil or lighter variations of the condiment.


So yes, there are good mayo options, so no not all mayo is bad. But to the original poster, i wouldnt get mayo at a deli just because i wouldnt feel in control of the portion or type of mayo. THATS ALL.

1. Fat is not bad for you, fat has not been shown in any modern studies to have any negative effect on heart health, and in fact has been show to be heart protective in a lot of studies.

2. Mayo averages 90-100 calories per tablespoon. High calorie, no one will debate that, but lower than all oils, that are about 120 per tablespoon.

3. A 15 oz jar of mayo has less cholesterol than one egg in it. That's not per serving, that's the entire jar, 30 servings worth.

4. Tablespoon for tablespoon, mayo has less saturated fat and total fat than extra virgin olive oil.

tigersword

I was speaking from a calorie perspective, not from a nutrient perspective. A food being high calorie doesn't automatically make it bad, hence using an example of a high calorie fruit.

If I'm going to compare foods based on micronutrients and fiber, I would be comparing fruits and vegetables with other fruits and vegetables, or grains with other grains. Comparing a fat with a fruit and asking about fiber is silly. Olive oil has much less sugar in it than an apple, so which is healthier? It's an irrelevant comparison.

You simply made the comparison and nutrients are an integral part of food choices. Look, you made a bad comparison in an attempt to sound dismissive and glib, we all do it, best just to own up to it.

I asked you for a more complete comparison and you lost it with a rant about meat and eggs etc.

Its why the whole 'calorie deficit trumps all' argument is a bad one, is shamefully incomplete.

Yes, you can go into a calorie deficit parsing in any foods that you want, a pop-tart here some french fries there, but you will likely sacrifice nutrition.

Hence why mayo shouldn't be arbitrarily compared with avocado.

Nutrition is a completely separate concept. No food exists in a vacuum. Overall nutritional goals are important. Reaching those goals matter. Just comparing nutrition in mayo vs nutrition in an avocado is meaningless because it ignores the entire rest of the day's nutrition and food choices. If someone has already consumed enough micro nutrients, including fiber, and is looking to fill out discretionary calories, is an avocado automatically a better choice than mayo? Not, it isn't. It won't have a health effect either way, provided you use the same amount of calories for each. Humans don't eat foods in a vacuum, which is why picking on ANY individual food item as arbitrarily good or bad is silly.

kmm7309

If you were to hypothetically consume only mayonnaise and consumed over 6000 calories you wouldn't gain any fat at all. Mayo by itself doesnt make you fat carbohydrates do. Why? because of insulin. Mayo is pure fat and does not spike insulin at all. you are blaming something that does not make you fat carbs do. The problem with carbohydrates though is that they taste amazing.

Oh GOD, he's back! This troll made a very interesting statement about how you could hypothetically eat 10,000 calories of fat a day and not gain an ounce.

Rhodium1976

I was speaking from a calorie perspective, not from a nutrient perspective. A food being high calorie doesn't automatically make it bad, hence using an example of a high calorie fruit.

If I'm going to compare foods based on micronutrients and fiber, I would be comparing fruits and vegetables with other fruits and vegetables, or grains with other grains. Comparing a fat with a fruit and asking about fiber is silly. Olive oil has much less sugar in it than an apple, so which is healthier? It's an irrelevant comparison.

You simply made the comparison and nutrients are an integral part of food choices. Look, you made a bad comparison in an attempt to sound dismissive and glib, we all do it, best just to own up to it.

I asked you for a more complete comparison and you lost it with a rant about meat and eggs etc.

Its why the whole 'calorie deficit trumps all' argument is a bad one, is shamefully incomplete.

Yes, you can go into a calorie deficit parsing in any foods that you want, a pop-tart here some french fries there, but you will likely sacrifice nutrition.

Hence why mayo shouldn't be arbitrarily compared with avocado.

Nutrition is a completely separate concept. No food exists in a vacuum. Overall nutritional goals are important. Reaching those goals matter. Just comparing nutrition in mayo vs nutrition in an avocado is meaningless because it ignores the entire rest of the day's nutrition and food choices. If someone has already consumed enough micro nutrients, including fiber, and is looking to fill out discretionary calories, is an avocado automatically a better choice than mayo? Not, it isn't. It won't have a health effect either way, provided you use the same amount of calories for each. Humans don't eat foods in a vacuum, which is why picking on ANY individual food item as arbitrarily good or bad is silly.

Post of the day.

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newhabit

there are certain things that surprise me and the assumption about mayo and cheese on fast food hamburgers is one of them. my husband does not like cheese on hamburgers or mayo and it's amazing to me how many times they don't get his order right. the default you would think would be plain unless you specify you want stuff on your burger. same thing with chipotle. they always want to put sour cream and cheese on everything. no, i don't want either. don't look at me like i am the weird one!

rainunrefined

If you were to hypothetically consume only mayonnaise and consumed over 6000 calories you wouldn't gain any fat at all. Mayo by itself doesnt make you fat carbohydrates do. Why? because of insulin. Mayo is pure fat and does not spike insulin at all. you are blaming something that does not make you fat carbs do. The problem with carbohydrates though is that they taste amazing.

Too much of any calorically dense food will make you gain weight. A calorie is a calorie is a calorie.

To the OP - I agree!

hesn92

I don't really see the problem with mayo. I get light mayo, 35 calories per tablespoon. An extra 35 calories is not that big of a deal. I can't do JUST mustard.... it soaks into the bread and then my sandwich is dry and not very good.

wewon

Nutrition is a completely separate concept. No food exists in a vacuum. Overall nutritional goals are important. Reaching those goals matter. Just comparing nutrition in mayo vs nutrition in an avocado is meaningless because it ignores the entire rest of the day's nutrition and food choices. If someone has already consumed enough micro nutrients, including fiber, and is looking to fill out discretionary calories, is an avocado automatically a better choice than mayo? Not, it isn't. It won't have a health effect either way, provided you use the same amount of calories for each. Humans don't eat foods in a vacuum, which is why picking on ANY individual food item as arbitrarily good or bad is silly.

No food doesn't exist in a vacuum, hence why you look at the nutrition of the foods that you eat.

What you eat contains calories and going over those calories cause weight gain. I think that we can agree there so pause.

Now, you have a certain budget of calories that you can eat in order to maintain a deficit. Pause again.

In order to be healthy, you have to have a variety of nutrients (and fiber LOL).

Eating empty or non-productive calories to the detriment of nutrients is not good.

Therefore, you need to consider BOTH the calories AND the nutrients.

Oddly enough, if you simply try to reach your nutritional requirements, the calories often take care of themselves. But its not easy to do that the other way around.


So again, why did you make the initial comparison?