"No Mayo?" Why Americans Are Fat
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Did you just figure all this out?? Today??Read the above post, yes there are other factors. The "No Mayo!" story was intended as a story to illustrate a larger problem--poor food choices of Americans when eating out, which also includes fast-food, larger portions than what's available in other countries etc., and all the sedentary factors you mentioned.
Yes, you can eat mayo with lunch every day, and still lose weight, but if you follow an American pattern of eating highly-processed, nutrient-shallow foods and having a sedentary lifestyle, chances are you will gain weight.
The story was intended to illustrate a problem: Why are sometimes people so surprised in America when you ask for a more nutritious choice?0 -
I love Mayo on my sandwich, Only use 15g on mine. Yes, I weigh it. I weight EVERYTHING. I use Smart Balance Omega Plus Light Mayo Dressing. It kinda tastes a little diff than like bama mayo or watever. Idk if it's any better for u, but I like and will continue to eat it.0
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This thread opened with fail...then just failed harder and harder with each post.
That makes me sadder than sad tigers.0 -
I love mayo and include it on everything.
Fabulous condiment. :drinker:
Lost 78 lbs and reached all my weight goals.
So, why are Americans fat?
Not mayo
You could be eating tofu wrapped in seaweed dipped in celery juice and still get fat.
It's not so much WHAT we eat but how we eat.
2 words: gluttony - laziness
This is why people get fat.0 -
Yeah, I totally agree. Only Americans are fat and this is clearly why.
So true!
REALLY? No fat people ANY where else??
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Every country has SOME bad eating habits. Don't fool youself. Did you know that many Canadians' condiment of choice for french fries is GRAVY?! They serve that option in most restaurants there that offer french fries. I had never heard such a thing before we started vacationing there once a year (from childhood on.)
we have that here in NJ. Disco fries. yuck
Are you seriously saying Poutine is yuck? That makes me saddest of all.
Edit - disregard. I thought someone mentioned cheese curds. Fires and gravy - fine. Fries cheese and gravy = awesome.0 -
I love mayo and include it on everything.
Fabulous condiment. :drinker:
Lost 78 lbs and reached all my weight goals.
So, why are Americans fat?
Not mayo
You could be eating tofu wrapped in seaweed dipped in celery juice and still get fat.
It's not so much WHAT we eat but how we eat.
2 words: gluttony - laziness
This is why people get fat.
AGREED!0 -
Hmm, I've never seen a difference between the calories in whole wheat bread and white bread. A quick comparasion on here of the same brand shows no difference.
Complex vs. simple carbohydrates. Complex has a lower glycemic index, and will make you feel full longer, not to mention has more dietary fiber. Whole wheat (stone ground unenriched) is certainly better for you.0 -
This thread opened with fail...then just failed harder and harder with each post.
That makes me sadder than sad tigers.
I love your dogs...but you're slow in the 5k. ;]0 -
Every country has SOME bad eating habits. Don't fool youself. Did you know that many Canadians' condiment of choice for french fries is GRAVY?! They serve that option in most restaurants there that offer french fries. I had never heard such a thing before we started vacationing there once a year (from childhood on.)
we have that here in NJ. Disco fries. yuck
Are you seriously saying Poutine is yuck? That makes me saddest of all.
mmm poutine
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Every country has SOME bad eating habits. Don't fool youself. Did you know that many Canadians' condiment of choice for french fries is GRAVY?! They serve that option in most restaurants there that offer french fries. I had never heard such a thing before we started vacationing there once a year (from childhood on.)
Yes, preferably with cheese curds. You sound so surprised!
gravy is nothing without cheese curds. NOTHING!
and besides, americans like ketchup with their fries. like, WTF is that? an abomination i tell you¡0 -
OP I get your point and I agree with you. Americans are obese because we eat a lot of high fat processed foods. Mayo is just one of the things we eat but the amount of us that live off of fast food is astounding. Those foods tend to be high in sugar, fat, and sodium which is the perfect recipe for obesity.
One thing that I am learning in my journey is about the challenges that we are having with these processed foods. As I am making healthier choices and preparing my on food I am finding that you can eat a lot more (volume wise) and eat a diet which is much lower calorically but more nutritious.0 -
I love how mayonnaise is the example of foods that are bad and make Americans unhealthy. Mayonnaise, a sauce invented in Spain about 300 years ago. A sauce that's used constantly in classical French cuisine. A sauce that's served in Europe with French fries and eggs. A sauce that's the most common sauce in Russia. It's used in Japan on pizza, with seafood, and as a replacement for butter when pan frying.
No one food is unhealthy on it's own.0 -
I'm american, I hate mayo and soda. I'm chubby because I eat to many carbs, I try to stay away from processed/fried foods and simple carbs. One to many wheat bagels. 0
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I think there are two dieting myths out there:
(1) All calories are created equal, so it doesn't matter if it's white bread or wheat, or a piece of fish vs. a Big Mac, or a banana vs. a piece of chocolate cake, so long as you consume under your BMR...
a calorie is a unit of energy. 1 from an apple = 1 from a snickers. saying it isn't is a bit like saying all inches aren't created equal.
Definitely true. However...
TDEE=DIT+EAT+NEAT+EPOC+BMR
right?
and
TDEE-calories consumed=calorie deficit/surplus
But, while one calorie of protein adds 1 to the calories consumed just like 1 calorie of dextrose, DIT is increased more when you eat that calorie of lean protein than when you eat that calorie of dextrose.
Therefore, TDEE-calories consumed is smaller when you eat protein than when you eat the same number of calories in dextrose.0 -
Also, I'm American and not fat.0
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Whenever I order a sandwich at a deli, I give the precise description of what I want: whole-wheat bread, cheddar, lettuce, tomato and mustard. Nine times of 10, the counter person replies: "No Mayo?"
Nope, don't want the empty calories and fat that come with Mayo or white bread.
Mayo is not very flavorful in any case and white bread tastes no better than wheat.
Add up all those mayo and white bread calories, not to mention high-fructose corn syrup in sodas, the propensity of Americans to eat fast food or packaged food products, and a generally sedentary lifestyle, there's little wonder why Americans are so chunky. I recall several "aha" moments even in Italy where I saw thin people drinking wine, eating pasta. They tend to walk a lot more, eat fresher food, their pizzas are ultra-thin crust, and it's nearly impossible to find mayo, Cokes and fries. Dessert and snacks there are usually fruit, sometimes a small scoop of gelat, unless it's a special occassion.
I recall at my heaviest my meals consisted of McMuffins, burritos and chips, Domino's pizza. For what it's worth. One can make allot of progress just by eating more fresh stuff and cutting the junk.
Kinda preaching to the Choir eh?0 -
OP I understand what you mean in the general sense that often times people end up eating things that they dont even taste anyway, so what add it?
i do love mayo and i eat it it regularly now, but you're right, when I was eating huge deli sammiches with mounds and mounds of meat and cheese i could have just as really asked for less mayo, less meat, less cheese, sliced bread instead of a hoagie, etc still had a delicious meal but saved hundreds of calories.
same goes with pizza. i used to order the works and not really taste any of the toppings because there were so many :laugh:
sometimes our eyes are in control of our stomachs0 -
I love mayo and include it on everything.
Fabulous condiment. :drinker:
Lost 78 lbs and reached all my weight goals.
So, why are Americans fat?
Not mayo
You could be eating tofu wrapped in seaweed dipped in celery juice and still get fat.
It's not so much WHAT we eat but how we eat.
2 words: gluttony - laziness
This is why people get fat.
AGREED!
Also Agree!0 -
I love mayo and include it on everything.
Fabulous condiment. :drinker:
Lost 78 lbs and reached all my weight goals.
So, why are Americans fat?
Not mayo
You could be eating tofu wrapped in seaweed dipped in celery juice and still get fat.
It's not so much WHAT we eat but how we eat.
2 words: gluttony - laziness
This is why people get fat.
AGREED!
Did you drink Cokes, fries, pies, and a bunch of other junk too? If so, hat's off--again, the mayo story is not about may in particular but about poor food choices in the USA + sedentary lifestyle. Here are the stats.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity
The question it raises is: What is it about the American lifestyle and way of eating that make it No. 1 in obesity stats?0 -
I think there are two dieting myths out there:
(1) All calories are created equal, so it doesn't matter if it's white bread or wheat, or a piece of fish vs. a Big Mac, or a banana vs. a piece of chocolate cake, so long as you consume under your BMR...
a calorie is a unit of energy. 1 from an apple = 1 from a snickers. saying it isn't is a bit like saying all inches aren't created equal.
Definitely true. However...
TDEE=DIT+EAT+NEAT+EPOC+BMR
right?
and
TDEE-calories consumed=calorie deficit/surplus
But, while one calorie of protein adds 1 to the calories consumed just like 1 calorie of dextrose, DIT is increased more when you eat that calorie of lean protein than when you eat that calorie of dextrose.
Therefore, TDEE-calories consumed is smaller when you eat protein than when you eat the same number of calories in dextrose.
Interesting...0 -
What is it about the American lifestyle and way of eating that make it No. 1 in obesity stats?
two words for ya: industrial revolution.0 -
My story on Mayo was not intended to be singling out Mayo as the singular culprit in American obesity, but rather to illustrate the poor food choices available to Americans when eating out. Like I said, it's hard to find Mayo and french fries and corn-syrup based sodas in countries that are statistically healthier.
You go out to eat here in the USA: The portions are larger than in most countries, they are generally made with ingredients that are less healthy than elsewhere (food is more processed in the USA), and then: When you ask for them to make something in a way that is more nutritious or lower in calories, it's a big surprise. So that's what the "No Mayo?" story was supposed to illustrate. The system here--poor nutritional choices, sedentary lifestyles--influences obesity.
Gosh, that sure started everyone off on a rant. And of course, I can't help but add my two sense, about whole foods, and about mayo.... :-/
Your point about eating healthy, whole, fresh foods is great. For a lot of people making that switch is HUGE, both in difficulty and in impact. I do find it kind of frustrating for myself how emphasized that is on MFP though. I made it to 240 lbs eating freaking delicious whole foods. I know good food, in taste and in nutrition, but I still didn't know how to eat. Or, really, how much to eat or how to balance my meals.
And on to mayo...I LOVE it, but I know that it's empty calories. Like most of my vices (mostly cheese) I like to treat them with moderation and have made a deal with myself. I can have mayonnaise, but only if I'm willing to make it myself. And I am! But my laziness wins often enough that I have it infrequently. When I do, it's out of this world delicious. Homemade mayonnaise is just about the best thing ever.0 -
Every country has SOME bad eating habits. Don't fool youself. Did you know that many Canadians' condiment of choice for french fries is GRAVY?! They serve that option in most restaurants there that offer french fries. I had never heard such a thing before we started vacationing there once a year (from childhood on.)
we have that here in NJ. Disco fries. yuck
It's not a condiment of choice, canadians are more known for using vinegar (why, i have no idea). what you're refering to is a poutine: fries, gravy and curds of cheese, and some poutine places will have a bunch of other toppings on them too
Personally I think it's more about cutting out the processed stuff. If you made fries with fresh potatoes, chances are it wouldn't be as bad as the frozen stuff. For a several weeks I didn't lose any weight at all, despite being on my feet 60hrs/week for work. but then for two weeks I ate nothing but leftovers from a big party we had (and all of it was my mom's cooking, mostly rice-based dishes since it was all perian food *drools*) and in those two weeks I immediately lost 4 pounds. It didn't matter that I was eating a bunch of carbs sloshed in deliciously oily sauces, what mattered was that it was REAL FOOD, and not the cold-cut sandwiches and granola bars I was having at work everyday. And I think the best part of that time was that those two weeks was the only time I was ever actually full. Aside from then, every time I had a bagel or some other kind of sandwich or cereal for breakfast, I ALWAYS would suddenly become starving 3 hours into work on the dot. But with real food, I was always content. It was a beautiful time, and I now eat leftovers for breakfast every chance I get!0 -
I love mayo and include it on everything.
Fabulous condiment. :drinker:
Lost 78 lbs and reached all my weight goals.
So, why are Americans fat?
Not mayo
You could be eating tofu wrapped in seaweed dipped in celery juice and still get fat.
It's not so much WHAT we eat but how we eat.
2 words: gluttony - laziness
This is why people get fat.
AGREED!
Did you drink Cokes, fries, pies, and a bunch of other junk too? If so, hat's off--again, the mayo story is not about may in particular but about poor food choices in the USA + sedentary lifestyle. Here are the stats.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity
The question it raises is: What is it about the American lifestyle and way of eating that make it No. 1 in obesity stats?
Simple, we eat too many calories, and don't move nearly enough. It's not the types of foods, it's the portion size that is the problem.
And for people asking about a good tasting mayo, homemade = the best. Whisk an egg yolk with some vinegar, then stream in the oil of your choice. Play with the vinegars and oils, and add a pinch of different spices, a touch of salt, and you have mayo. Play around with it and make your own flavored mayo. It's literally takes less than 5 minutes to make.0 -
Yes, but the actual practical difference in calories burned are not really significant.I think there are two dieting myths out there:
(1) All calories are created equal, so it doesn't matter if it's white bread or wheat, or a piece of fish vs. a Big Mac, or a banana vs. a piece of chocolate cake, so long as you consume under your BMR...
a calorie is a unit of energy. 1 from an apple = 1 from a snickers. saying it isn't is a bit like saying all inches aren't created equal.
Definitely true. However...
TDEE=DIT+EAT+NEAT+EPOC+BMR
right?
and
TDEE-calories consumed=calorie deficit/surplus
But, while one calorie of protein adds 1 to the calories consumed just like 1 calorie of dextrose, DIT is increased more when you eat that calorie of lean protein than when you eat that calorie of dextrose.
Therefore, TDEE-calories consumed is smaller when you eat protein than when you eat the same number of calories in dextrose.0 -
Hmm, I've never seen a difference between the calories in whole wheat bread and white bread. A quick comparasion on here of the same brand shows no difference.
For me, a good mayo adds flavor. I love mayo. i would rather forego cheese over mayo. I guess it boils down to your taste.
I dont really do soda.
PS - not American.
There is a huge difference with white bread and whole wheat.. Yes, calorie wise and such, they are similar, but mfp will not tell you whats good for you and whats not. White bread is produced from refined white flour. It starts as the whole wheat grain, then goes through the refining process which removes traces of the husk, bran, everything. Then, it is BLEACHED with a chemical bleaching agent that contains chlorine . Once it is bleached, gluten, salt & sugar is added depending on the stage of it rising. There is no benefit from eating white bread. Some health issues: It contains carbs which causes rapid release of the bodys own sugar regulating hormone and insulin. This hormone is secreted in the pancreas and is responsible for regulating blood sugar levels. Insulin is what people suffering with type 1 diabetes have to inject to regulate their blood sugar levels because their body does not produce sufficient naturally. Type II diabetes is a rapidly spreading disease brought on by too frequent imbalances in blood sugar levels causing insulin production to become overworked, which eventually leads to the problem and all others the negative health aspects. Other things, it stores fat, bad for digestion (which can lead to crohns, IBS, cancer of the colon , the list goes on! I dont want to bore you any longer, but i strongly suggest you look up certain foods you eat.0 -
I would rather not eat than eat a sandwich without mayo. But if you're fine with disgusting dryness, have at it.0
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Why did we have to derail what is otherwise a harmless thread of a guy sharing an anecdotal story?0
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Also, I'm American and not fat.
If you run that 10K you will be, though, remember?0
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