"No Mayo?" Why Americans Are Fat
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that is true, about the gi with white vs wheat. when my mom was diagnosed with diabetes, they advised her to cut down on carbs, and count the carbs she does have, and when she has bread or pasta, go for wheat and not white, same with rice. Why wouldn't wheat be healthier anyway, white is processed.
uhh ... wheat is processed, too.
Wheat is processed, but only so much. Wheat and whole grain products have more nutritional value than white products.
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that is true, about the gi with white vs wheat. when my mom was diagnosed with diabetes, they advised her to cut down on carbs, and count the carbs she does have, and when she has bread or pasta, go for wheat and not white, same with rice. Why wouldn't wheat be healthier anyway, white is processed.
uhh ... wheat is processed, too.
Wheat is processed, but only so much. Wheat and whole grain products have more nutritional value than white products.
Lol
Whole grains contain all parts of the grain kernel. But refined grains, like the flour used to make white bread, have had the fiber-dense bran and the nutrient-rich germ processed out, leaving only the starchy endosperm. This means that refined grain is not as rich in essential fatty acids, vitamin E, magnesium, and zinc.
Some flour and bread manufacturers "enrich" their bread by adding extra vitamins back in. But it's still better to eat whole grains. The fiber and protein from the bran and germ provide a more constant source of energy, which will keep you going long after the energy from refined grains is gone. The fiber in the bran can also mean whole-grain breads help people feel full longer, preventing overeating.0 -
If you were to hypothetically consume only mayonnaise and consumed over 6000 calories you wouldn't gain any fat at all. Mayo by itself doesnt make you fat carbohydrates do. Why? because of insulin. Mayo is pure fat and does not spike insulin at all. you are blaming something that does not make you fat carbs do. The problem with carbohydrates though is that they taste amazing.
that is until the body converts fat to glucose via gluconeogenesis...0 -
That's what happens when somebody comes in peddling tomfoolery that seeks to remove personal responsibility from the equation. Who makes us fat?This thread opened with fail...then just failed harder and harder with each post.
THE MAN IN THE MIRROR0 -
OP: It's funny you mention Italy. When I was there for a month for a study abroad in Urbania, I walked about 4 kilometers (down and back) from my host family's house to the piazza where we took our classes. I ate yummy Italian food prepared fresh by my host and drank wine and coffee. Actually lost weight while I was there!!0
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And chocolate or honey is more fun in bed then mayo
I did the honey once. Once. Omg, what a sticky mess! It gets everywhere. Even in places where you didn't put it! :blushing:0 -
If you were to hypothetically consume only mayonnaise and consumed over 6000 calories you wouldn't gain any fat at all. Mayo by itself doesnt make you fat carbohydrates do. Why? because of insulin. Mayo is pure fat and does not spike insulin at all. you are blaming something that does not make you fat carbs do. The problem with carbohydrates though is that they taste amazing.
that is until the body converts fat to glucose via gluconeogenesis...
Stop ruining my weightloss theories with science. I was just on my way to buy a case of mayo.0 -
Mayo is gross. Spicy mustard is awesome! My fav. is Walmart's Great Value brand of southwestern spicy mustard. It's full of flavor and is much lower in sodium than reg. mustard.
PEOPLE, not just Americans, are fat because they eat over-processed, sodium and fat laden foods and don't exercise. Period.0 -
That's what happens when somebody comes in peddling tomfoolery that seeks to remove personal responsibility from the equation. Who makes us fat?This thread opened with fail...then just failed harder and harder with each post.
THE MAN IN THE MIRROR
Agreed. It's time to stop blaming sloth and gluttony for American's being fat, though. Other countries who are adopting our fast food restaurants and lifestyle and also getting fat. Take a look at Japan. It's not an purely American concept. It's a human thing. Make really delicious (and yes, unhealthy) food and drinks available at very little cost and at virtually any hour of the day and combine that with completely sedentary lifestyles brought on by the advent of personal transportation and BAM: obesity is just a natural outcome. It's human nature to seek that which gratifies and that which is easy. That doesn't mean humans lack the propensity for becoming better than that. But it's not hard to see why most of us go for what's easy: we've got more important things to worry about. Allegedly...
ETA: Mayonnaise, whether you like it or you do not like it on your sandwiches, is still an unnecessary food.0 -
I'm American. I eat whole wheat and whole grains, I stay away from mayo, and I don't eat fast food. I'm thin and quite fit. Quit generalizing.0
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Cheese and mayo are both gross.... just saying0
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Decent fat, all the nutrition from an egg yolk, health benefits of olive oil (I make my own.) What's not healthy about it?Why would all of you who are making a "life style change to be HEALTHY" even think about eating this? Where is the nutritional value??
Mayonnaise
Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 1 tbsp
Amount Per Serving
Calories from Fat 44
Calories 57
% Daily Values*
Total Fat 4.91g 8%
Saturated Fat 0.72g 4%
Polyunsaturated Fat 2.646g
Monounsaturated Fat 1.323g
Cholesterol 4mg 1%
Sodium 105mg 4%
Potassium 1mg
Total Carbohydrate 3.51g 1%
Dietary Fiber 0g 0%
Sugars 0.94g
Protein 0.13g
Vitamin A 1% Vitamin C 0%
Calcium 0% Iron 0%
* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs.
Nutrition Values are based on USDA Nutrient Database SR18 3% of RDI*
(57 calories)
Calorie Breakdown:
Carbohydrate (23%)
Fat (76%)
Protein (1%)
homemade =/= store bought. that sounds delish.0 -
I always tend to get a little insulted when people bring up the idea that all Americans are fat, but to blame it all on a condiment is a bit dramatic...
Not to mention Italian portions are much different than our portions, which as many people know is a huge problem over here. There are so many different factors that come in to play here.0 -
Mayo is gross. Spicy mustard is awesome! My fav. is Walmart's Great Value brand of southwestern spicy mustard. It's full of flavor and is much lower in sodium than reg. mustard.
PEOPLE, not just Americans, are fat because they eat over-processed, sodium and fat laden foods and don't exercise. Period.
you're right about the exercise part. but in moderation, processed food doesn't make us fat. neither does sodium. or fat.0 -
Cheese and mayo are both gross.... just saying
Mayo can go, but leave the cheese alone!!! LOL.
Extra sharp cheddar cheese and brie and my weaknesses... NOM NOM NOM0 -
I like your post, but politely disagree. Homemade mayo can actually be good for you. Fatty deli meats loaded with sodium & nitrates/nitrites are really bad for your body. IMO, so is any form of "bread"...whether it's whole-grain, wheat, white, etc. Heavily processed foods & complex carbs as well as not enough healthy proteins & fats are why people in this country are sick & fat. (And tired)...AND SAD........
Fruits and veggies are where you should get your carbs...not from breads, pastas, grains, etc. (In my Paleo opinion.)
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It's amazing how so many people zero'd in on one part of the statement and seemed to miss the main point :P. No, mayo itself is not causing obese Americans but it's a piece of the puzzle so to speak. Inactivity and bad diet overall are the issues: I spent a couple weeks in London (England) and was amazed at how much walking people there did, it blew me away. As far as diet goes American (Canadian) food tends to be over processed and served in over-sized portions. In most restaurants if you get a steak they serve fries as the vegetable and the steak is some 12+ oz monstrosity (3-4 is recommended). I laugh when I see someone at Subway getting a nice chicken or turkey sub with lots of good veggies and then they top it off with a good 1/2 cup or more of mayo and walk away proud that they made the 'healthier' choice. Yeah the basic sub was healthier than, say, a burger or something deep fried but you have negated that by adding a bunch of calories and fat called mayo. For example if you go to Wendy's and get a spicy chicken burger it has 510 cal 21 g fat, if you leave off the mayo it drops to 450cal 16 g fat... and thats assuming they measure out the 1 tsp they put on (they don't so it's likely more). If you ate 1 a day for a year (not a good idea mind you) you'd consume an extra 21900 calories a year just in the mayo alone. This is where a lot of people fail, these little added calories do just that, add up, especially in the land of the super-sized combo :P0
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I always tend to get a little insulted when people bring up the idea that all Americans are fat, but to blame it all on a condiment is a bit dramatic...
I'll say! A tablespoon of mayo a couple times a week isn't going to hurt anyone. MODERATION. Any food, if you eat too much of it isn't necessarily good for you.0 -
I like your post, but politely disagree. Homemade mayo can actually be good for you. Fatty deli meats loaded with sodium & nitrates/nitrites are really bad for your body. IMO, so is any form of "bread"...whether it's whole-grain, wheat, white, etc. Heavily processed foods & complex carbs as well as not enough healthy proteins & fats are why people in this country are sick & fat. (And tired)...AND SAD........
Fruits and veggies are where you should get your carbs...not from breads, pastas, grains, etc. (In my Paleo opinion.)
Hope you don't eat green leafy veggies, they are chock full of nitrates0 -
It's amazing how so many people zero'd in on one part of the statement and seemed to miss the main point :P. No, mayo itself is not causing obese Americans but it's a piece of the puzzle so to speak. Inactivity and bad diet overall are the issues: I spent a couple weeks in London (England) and was amazed at how much walking people there did, it blew me away. As far as diet goes American (Canadian) food tends to be over processed and served in over-sized portions. In most restaurants if you get a steak they serve fries as the vegetable and the steak is some 12+ oz monstrosity (3-4 is recommended). I laugh when I see someone at Subway getting a nice chicken or turkey sub with lots of good veggies and then they top it off with a good 1/2 cup or more of mayo and walk away proud that they made the 'healthier' choice. Yeah the basic sub was healthier than, say, a burger or something deep fried but you have negated that by adding a bunch of calories and fat called mayo. For example if you go to Wendy's and get a spicy chicken burger it has 510 cal 21 g fat, if you leave off the mayo it drops to 450cal 16 g fat... and thats assuming they measure out the 1 tsp they put on (they don't so it's likely more). If you ate 1 a day for a year (not a good idea mind you) you'd consume an extra 21900 calories a year just in the mayo alone. This is where a lot of people fail, these little added calories do just that, add up, especially in the land of the super-sized combo :P
I stopped reading when you called any amount of steak a 'monstrosity.'0 -
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I'm a fat American and in my adult life, I use mustard and not mayo, always have had wheat bread and not white, and also don't drink soda. My family of 4 of us gets 1 12 pack a month and my husband is usually the one to drink them, taking them to work with him, and it's diet soda, still not good for you, but doesn't have the sugar. When I was a kid, I was 90 lbs soaking wet when I was 12, I ate junk a lot.
Some Americans are just fat. Some people can't help that they are fat. I'm fat from having kids, which I was working on losing the weight when my house burnt down in a random fire and my family lost everything, and I meant EVERYTHING. Needless to say that amounted to a lot of stress, gained over 40 lbs from that. Then, I find out, I have been hypothyroid for 4+ years and one doc never thought to tell my PCP so I was undiagnosed until a few months ago I went in demanding they help me because I couldn't sleep and was always tired, was gaining weight and unable to lose regardless of my efforts, and I was busting my *kitten*!
Anyway, enough of that. Not everyone is fat because they can't say no to food. There are other reasons.
So you weren't eating any food when you gained those 40lbs? I didn't realize stress defies physics.
I actually wasn't eating hardly anything. Have you come close to dying in a fire? Doubtful. It takes a toll on you in a lot of ways. When did I even say I wasn't eating? I said I gained the weight from stress.
Saying you gained weight from stress is implying that you would have gained that weight whether you ate or not basically. Stress alone doesn't make you gain weight, eating too much does.
stress itself can cause weight gain. Too much stress can increase cortisol which makes you gain weight. It messes with your metabolism. Good try
Funny because some people eat less and lose weight when stressed. Either way, you still have to eat too much to put on weight and that's a fact. I also am not sure you understand the function of cortisol. It doesn't make you fat, its function is to break down your stored fat and increase your blood sugar when you're stressed. You're possibly an emotional eater and you ate more when you were stressed, which caused weight gain.
That is what cortisol does in the case of acute (short-term) stress. Under chronic (long-term) conditions you're body actually starts to deposit fat (especially in the abdominal area).0 -
Bohn T, et al. Phytic acid added to white-wheat bread inhibits fractional apparent magnesium absorption in humans. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, March 2004
www.ajcn.org/content/79/3/418.full.pdf
Reinhold JG, et al. Decreased absorption of calcium, magnesium, zinc and phosphorus by humans due to increased fiber and phosphorus consumption as wheat bread. Journal of Nutrition, Apr, 1976
jn.nutrition.org/content/106/4/493.full.pdf
Phytic acid is in grain, nuts, raisins, etc. I haven't seen enough of the peer-review process on phytic acid--one of these studies dates back to 1976--to know if there's a scientific consensus around some forms of wheat bread being harmful. Is there?
Also, the first study deals with something called "white-wheat" bread which indicates it has been highly processed. It could be the case that some forms of wheat bread, owing to their mass-consumer processing, might not be as beneficial as thought, though wheat as I pointed out is generally lower in glycemic index than white. GI is a pretty scientifically sound concept for pre-diabetic and diabetic folks.
And I will go back to my original point though that the major American dietary pattern, relying on mass-produced food products rather than fresh food, is risky.0 -
Bohn T, et al. Phytic acid added to white-wheat bread inhibits fractional apparent magnesium absorption in humans. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, March 2004
www.ajcn.org/content/79/3/418.full.pdf
Reinhold JG, et al. Decreased absorption of calcium, magnesium, zinc and phosphorus by humans due to increased fiber and phosphorus consumption as wheat bread. Journal of Nutrition, Apr, 1976
jn.nutrition.org/content/106/4/493.full.pdf
Also, the first study deals with something called "white-wheat" bread which indicates it has been highly processed. It could be the case that some forms of wheat bread, owing to their mass-consumer processing, might not be as beneficial as thought, though wheat as I pointed out is generally lower in glycemic index than white. GI is a pretty scientifically sound concept for pre-diabetic and diabetic folks.
Way to read the study there champ.
Lol back to GI0 -
I think that's part of the picture--less labor and activity, but this came after people left the factories post-industrialization. The big part is that food production and distribution also became industrialized.
People working longer hours in sedentary jobs, women joining the workforce also meant little time to prepare healthy meals, so enter fast food and packaged foods--an obvious health trap. But even when you go to the supermarket, buying packaged stuff, there's a chance you're consuming a wide variety of ingredients that are simply nutritionally harmful. High-fructose corn syrup--and you can even find it in bread--is often cited as the chief culprit, but I am sure the list goes on.0 -
I agree with what you say in theory - if we all ate healthier, less processed food we'd definitely be doing ourselves a favour. I do have to disagree with your comment about Italy though. My hubby is Sicillian & we went all around Italy for our honeymoon - everything we ate was starchy carb-based, or dripping in oil & HUGE potions!!! I have never seen so much meat & pasta in my life. We both put on 7kgs in 6 weeks!!!!! To be fair, we were mostly being fed by his rellies so I suppose it may be just that they were trying to make us feel welcome (& fat). But seriously from what we saw in our time there, I thought there were easily as many supersized Italians as Aussies!!0
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I like adding light mayo to my sandwiches. Its half the fat but I don't taste a difference. It makes the drier sandwiches just a little smoother, without the tartness of mustard.0
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Why would all of you who are making a "life style change to be HEALTHY" even think about eating this? Where is the nutritional value??
Mayonnaise
Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 1 tbsp
Amount Per Serving
Calories from Fat 44
Calories 57
% Daily Values*
Total Fat 4.91g 8%
Saturated Fat 0.72g 4%
Polyunsaturated Fat 2.646g
Monounsaturated Fat 1.323g
Cholesterol 4mg 1%
Sodium 105mg 4%
Potassium 1mg
Total Carbohydrate 3.51g 1%
Dietary Fiber 0g 0%
Sugars 0.94g
Protein 0.13g
Vitamin A 1% Vitamin C 0%
Calcium 0% Iron 0%
* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs.
Nutrition Values are based on USDA Nutrient Database SR18 3% of RDI*
(57 calories)
Calorie Breakdown:
Carbohydrate (23%)
Fat (76%)
Protein (1%)
What's more, many brands of mayo, ketchup, even bread--there's high-fructose corn syrup added in:
You can even find it in steak marinades:
Yeah,. maybe if you made homemade mayo, or avoided a HFCS version, and yeah, a little high-fructose corn syrup is not going to kill you, but hey, I have this sandwich quite often, so I'd rather not have the mayo, and the larger point is this: Why is the American presumption that I want mayo, chips with my sandwich, and a Coke? Or that I want fries with a burger, that I want the sources of my beef to be fed with grain, or that I want HFCS added to a steak marinade?
The list just goes on.0 -
man i love mayo and eat it by the gallonful.
fat is not bad. when will people stop being brainwashed into thinking it is?0 -
Why would all of you who are making a "life style change to be HEALTHY" even think about eating this? Where is the nutritional value??
Mayonnaise
Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 1 tbsp
Amount Per Serving
Calories from Fat 44
Calories 57
% Daily Values*
Total Fat 4.91g 8%
Saturated Fat 0.72g 4%
Polyunsaturated Fat 2.646g
Monounsaturated Fat 1.323g
Cholesterol 4mg 1%
Sodium 105mg 4%
Potassium 1mg
Total Carbohydrate 3.51g 1%
Dietary Fiber 0g 0%
Sugars 0.94g
Protein 0.13g
Vitamin A 1% Vitamin C 0%
Calcium 0% Iron 0%
* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs.
Nutrition Values are based on USDA Nutrient Database SR18 3% of RDI*
(57 calories)
Calorie Breakdown:
Carbohydrate (23%)
Fat (76%)
Protein (1%)
What's more, many brands of mayo, ketchup, even bread--there's high-fructose corn syrup added in:
You can even find it in steak marinades:
Yeah,. maybe if you made homemade mayo, or avoided a HFCS version, and yeah, a little high-fructose corn syrup is not going to kill you, but hey, I have this sandwich quite often, so I'd rather not have the mayo, and the larger point is this: Why is the American presumption that I want mayo, chips with my sandwich, and a Coke? Or that I want fries with a burger, that I want the sources of my beef to be fed with grain, or that I want HFCS added to a steak marinade?
The list just goes on.
and metabolically HFCS is different than sucrose how?0
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