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To answer the OP's question:
It is not my business if someone is gay or straight. How you choose to live your life is between you and God, or whomever you believe in. It is not my place to judge.
Just because I am not gay does not mean that I would think someone elses feelings are invalid/unnatural. I feel like I understand love, so why would I not accept and appreciate that a man could love a man or a woman could love a woman?
Now....do I like seeing people groping eachother/making out on the street in front of my children? HECK NO. Straight or gay...I/we don't need to see that. I think a lot of people could use a little decorum in the Wal Mart/Publix parking lot.
I will say, if one of my children is gay, while that is not the life (the struggle with a-holes that think it's ok to harm, belittle and all of the nasty little things these hate groups do - is that I mean by "the life") that I would want for them...you had better believe that I will stand up against ANYONE who would dare say anything against them, and God forbid someone attempt harm. There would be no hiding.
I am one proud Warrior Mom, no matter what.0 -
Deuteronomy 21:18-21Where in the bible does it say "murder your children"?
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear0 -
There is no such thing as a gay gene but there is evidence that sexual orientation and traits can be determined in utero.
Therefore people can literally be born (rather than conceived) gay.
Baby I was born this way....
where is the research on this. i am willing to believe, i just haven't read anything that identifies this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5120004.stm
I haven't read the study itself but I presume it is available on Google Scholar.
i need to see the research, but something for me to look up at my overnight tonight, so thanks
even look at the end of the article: ""It adds further weight to the argument that lesbian and gay people should be treated equally in society and not discriminated against for something that's just as inherent as skin colour."
that is my whole point, ugh...ugh!0 -
I say live and let live.0
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also, saying people are born gay is a way to normalize it for people.
it IS normal to be gay. but people feel they need to normalize it because of the hatred that is down through the ages. even animals have gay tendencies.
but, you can't tell me that saying..."they were born gay" isn't a way of trying to defend being gay.
if someone was to say, "i chose a gay lifestyle at 30" that they would be treated with as much respect.
just my observation, i don't think i am a scientist like many people lol
I shouldn't have to defend being Gay at all!
Trust me on this, there is NOTHING worse than being a kid of 13/14 years old, knowing that you're gay, trying to understand it and figuring out what it all means, and having to hide the fact from the people who are supposed to love you the most because you listen to your parents and their friends making snide jokes and comments about other family members or neighbours being gay, and being scared that you will be rejected for who and what you are. It is soul destroying.
i don't think you should have to defend it at all either, i am just saying i don't think you need to justify it to people with science. i think people should just be allowed to be gay and be loved regardless of the studies on it!0 -
No..this argument wouldn't hold up against religion. Sadly, religion and science simply do not co-exist for some people. Just look at those who don't believe that the dinosaurs existed at all, because they reject the whole theory of evolution (which has been proven with scientific facts). I actually had some tell me last year that Satan put the dinosaur bones in the Earth to confuse people about God.....I had a conversation about the "born this way" question with a gay friend years ago.
He said this: "I would not have CHOSEN to live this way, because has not made my life an easy one". He also said he had dated girls in high-school and could have easily married one and had a traditional family, but even at that time, he knew there was something else he wanted/needed, that a woman couldn't give him. So, I do believe there's something to the theory that people can be born a certain way.
maybe it wasn't a choice, but i am still edgy about saying people are born that way. look at some of the people on the thread that are against gay people, their main defence is either god (let's just lol at that) and "it is not natural"
so if it "was" proven as natural, then they would be ok with it? i think there is just something to saying we are born a certain way, it makes things excusable? but i don't think being LGBTTTIQQ needs any justification0 -
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also, saying people are born gay is a way to normalize it for people.
it IS normal to be gay. but people feel they need to normalize it because of the hatred that is down through the ages. even animals have gay tendencies.
but, you can't tell me that saying..."they were born gay" isn't a way of trying to defend being gay.
if someone was to say, "i chose a gay lifestyle at 30" that they would be treated with as much respect.
just my observation, i don't think i am a scientist like many people lol
I shouldn't have to defend being Gay at all!
Trust me on this, there is NOTHING worse than being a kid of 13/14 years old, knowing that you're gay, trying to understand it and figuring out what it all means, and having to hide the fact from the people who are supposed to love you the most because you listen to your parents and their friends making snide jokes and comments about other family members or neighbours being gay, and being scared that you will be rejected for who and what you are. It is soul destroying.
i don't think you should have to defend it at all either, i am just saying i don't think you need to justify it to people with science. i think people should just be allowed to be gay and be loved regardless of the studies on it!
Is there actually funding available to complete studies on this issue? We have so many social problems across the world wouldn't the money be better spent on tackling some of these? As I have previously stated - "Tolerance is the key" + it doesn't cost a penny!!0 -
I love gay people. I think they deserve equal rights.0
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I do not mean to be unkind, but I see past these words to a person struggling with this very issue.Because it's just not natural and don't tell me you're born that way, you choose to be gay, period. I am anti LGBT everything
It's as obvious as the sky.0 -
I find it heartbreaking for those that judge due to what a book suggests. You do not offer your own opinions and rather take another's word.
The bible suggests we descended from pure incest, was that overlooked? I wouldn't suggest taking the bible verbatim because if you do, I can guarantee you are living a condescending life in some way. Because No one follows the bible word for word, from lifestyle, to values, to dress, so why take all the beliefs?
"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, It is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always preserves."
Corinthians 13:4-7
All of this is possible for LGBT relations.
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Im open minded, hae a brother who's gay and i think as long as your happy then be happy with who you love...
However I think it's the case of everyone has their own opinions on whats right or wrong, just because soneone is anti-gay doesn't make them a bad peson for thinking that way just means they are strong minded to what they believe in and have to respect there views. It could be for religion, If your not a religious person it be hard for you to understand but it's a strong belief and again it's the way they live and see life.
I don't believe it's acceptable to 'beat' someone up or throw bad language just because of their sexual preference i believe everyone should be happy and if you really don't like seeing 2 males together 2 females short and small person then look away as everyone in life is unique in their own way.
I agree with you completely. I respect everyone opinion. If you are against people being gay or marrying outside of their religion then so be it..that question she posted though just intrigued me on what others might say.
It's nice for you that you're able to "respect everyone's opinion", seeing as you're not gay and not being discriminated against.0 -
I have 5 kids and have been married 29 years.It clearly say not bible related.
I'm anti, because is not natural. In the animal kingdom you need a female and a male to procreate, this is as I said not bible related.
The fact of having 'hybrids' animals doesn't mean those are homosexual, because that's the way they are, not males, not females.
I dislike when humans want to do whatever they want regardless of mother nature showing all around how it's supposed to be. not HUMAN rules of any kind, but just the wise mother nature...
I don't hate homosexual regardless, I just disagree it's non nature related meaning, but I let people be as long as they let me be too.
It's as much honest as i can get, so if you re gay out there, i don;t hate you or anything, i just don't like it, but I respect it.
Oh and since minorities always complain people must understand their postures, make marches and become victims, same for them, if they say they are fighting to be accepted, why don;t they make an example and accept not being accepted? Minorities or majorities way is not the rule where everyone must change to. We are all so different so just accept each other point of view.
So, what of straight people who have sex for enjoyment and not for procreation purposes?
I know procreation!
And physical intimacy is much more than that.0 -
Yep...this!
I am not anti-gay. I am anti-sin, I don't approve of any sex between anyone that isn't husband and wife. That includes straight couples who aren't married. The only sex that is ok in God's eyes is between and husband and wife. Any other is sin, gay or not!
Phew, good thing God doesn't exist!
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Without meaning to offend anyone, the zoologist in me is dying to ask- people who disagree with homosexuality because it "isn't natural"- are you meaning to say that you think our modern technology is natural? Is it natural that you're sat at a computer slating people who's actions do not affect you? Is it natural that you shave? Is it natural to be wearing clothes instead of going completely bare like we were born? Are you against IVF or fertility treatment between straight couples? Or do you still believe in survival of the fittest and that if they can't reproduce on their own that they just shouldn't have kids?
To say it's not natural is to say that you think everything else you chose to do is completely natural. As humans we've developed to do a whole bunch of things that take us away from what we'd "naturally" be doing. If you're to be against all that is not natural we would still be in the dark ages like cave men. And in case you hadn't noticed, we're not all beating each other up like chimps to get laid anymore.
Just curious.
That said, I think slating religious people for their beliefs and lifestyle is equally is wrong as bashing gay people for who they're having sex with.
Good points but slightly mixed up Darwinian argument - one point to consider: If homosexuality were the norm... could we have evolved from the caves or our genetic cousins?
no need to bash me .... see my post on tolerance.
I missed this earlier, sorry. Point taken- you're right, if homosexuality were the norm, it's probable that we never would have evolved. That would have involved an entirely new way of reproducing and I'd imagine we'd die out long before that happens.
I was trying to avoid getting too much into evolution though- that's a complicated subject that opens up a whole new can of worms. I do still think though, that we do a whole lot of stuff that we'd never naturally have done before, and so to say that something "isn't natural" isn't necessarily a valid reason to be against something (in my own opinion, anyway). Personally I think "It's not natural" was once a valid response because it's right- it's not natural and we can't reproduce that way, but I think it lost validity and caught on as a cop out excuse.0 -
I love gay people.
Not all gay people surely?
I have meet some who are entirely insufferable. Not because of their sexuality mind you but rather that their personality as individuals was hideous....0 -
If I had 9 lives like a cat, I'd have been dead as friend chicken 3 times over....It also says in the bible that you should kill your children if they disobey you, so I think giving "because it's in the bible" as an answer for anything is a complete fallacy.
I have never figured out the anti-gay thing either. Why is someone's sex-life anyone else's business?
Where in the bible does it say "murder your children"?
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."
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Interesting thread ...I admit I've only read the 10 or so comments that popped up, but personally speaking ... It is nobodies business who I sleep with. Why should it be my business who others sleep with? I am curious about what "being gay" changes other than who you sleep with. Is this a narrow minded point of view?0
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Let's clear this up.
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Nuff said....
ROFLMAO!!! I LOVE IT!!!
God is all knowing and all powerful.
God will throw you in hell.
But God loves you...:flowerforyou:
AND GOD NEEDS YOUR MONEY!
Somewhere in His omnipotence money management fell through the cracks....:laugh: :laugh:0 -
Honestly, how can you want an honest answer but forbid talk of the bible if someone believes in the bible?
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I suppose that part of the confusion people have regarding Christian viewpoint on this topic might be from not knowing the foundations of Christian belief. The non-Christian argues the for the natural tendencies whereas the devoted Christian fights against the natural human tendencies in himself. For instance, it comes naturally to tell small lies when convenient. The devoted Christian fights against this natural tendency to lie, because he knows God is holy and strives to be holy because that is Gods desire for him.
Jesus did not come to condemn the world, he came to save it. Part of that job of saving is to show people what they need to be saved from, which is, their enslavement to their sin nature. All of us want happy, fulfilling lives, but so many are caught up in self-destructive behaviors, from alcoholism to passive-aggressive behavior toward a spouse. They cannot reach that place of peace they seek because their natural inclination is toward behavior that is destructive.
Morality alone can't fix this, because it is like treating a symptom without healing the cause. The cause is our sinful nature, the cure is Jesus. Many people try to seek happiness in their sins, relationsips, work, food, but eventually find out that it does not satisfy. The only thing that can satisfy the human soul is intimacy with God. This is why many people who have had great struggle have great joy, because their powerlessness over a situation caused them to pray a lot. These prayers, these conversations with God, builds the relationship and satisfies the soul. Jesus makes that close relationship possible.0 -
Because we want answers from people that can actually think for themselves and not rely on some fictional book for everything.Honestly, how can you want an honest answer but forbid talk of the bible if someone believes in the bible?
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Honestly, how can you want an honest answer but forbid talk of the bible if someone believes in the bible?
Do you believe that a woman who is raped is obligated to marry her attacker?
Do you believe that if your child is disobedient, he should be stoned to death?
There are many things in the Bible that simply aren't applicable or that are downright ludicrous.
I'm a believer in a higher power....I have faith in the innate goodness of mankind.
I also accept that the Bible was written by men and men are imperfect and often wrong.....0 -
I was born heterosexual. Some are born differently. Them's the facts.
If you've ever worked on a farm, you would know that sometimes a bull is not interested in the cows (female). It happens. They were born that way. So those that argue that it's "not natural" are incorrect.0 -
also, saying people are born gay is a way to normalize it for people.
it IS normal to be gay. but people feel they need to normalize it because of the hatred that is down through the ages. even animals have gay tendencies.
but, you can't tell me that saying..."they were born gay" isn't a way of trying to defend being gay.
if someone was to say, "i chose a gay lifestyle at 30" that they would be treated with as much respect.
just my observation, i don't think i am a scientist like many people lol
I shouldn't have to defend being Gay at all!
Trust me on this, there is NOTHING worse than being a kid of 13/14 years old, knowing that you're gay, trying to understand it and figuring out what it all means, and having to hide the fact from the people who are supposed to love you the most because you listen to your parents and their friends making snide jokes and comments about other family members or neighbours being gay, and being scared that you will be rejected for who and what you are. It is soul destroying.
I'm so sorry that you read such trash and ignorance on this thread and had to experience such pain in your life. It is senseless and barbaric and primitive; the way some heterosexuals feel about LGBT people. (((hugs)))0 -
Personally I'm anti-gay not because I came from a machista culture (I'm Hispanic) nor from a strict Roman Catholic family but honestly I find that some of the gay men are very hot. Plus I'm not interested in women's private parts. I assume that you used the word "gay" to mean homosexual people that also include lesbians as well.
One thing that I find a bit disturbing is when a gay competes in a beauty pageant with real women. For me, sexual preference & biology aren't the same.
However I don't meddle with other people's sexual preference. We all have a free will to choose what we want to be.
Just thought I'd mention, and I'm making the assumption you're referring to the Miss Universe contestant, but that is not a case of 'a gay' competing against 'real women', but a case of a post-operative transsexual (who is a real woman) competing against other women (who we assume to be real women as well).
Not to open up that can of worms, but I think that this distinction needs to be made. Transsexuals are not just 'gays' and it has absolutely nothing to do with sexuality.0 -
If it harms none, do what ye will.
Beautifully said!! and Blessed Be!!!0 -
Because we want answers from people that can actually think for themselves and not rely on some fictional book for everything.Honestly, how can you want an honest answer but forbid talk of the bible if someone believes in the bible?
Exactly! Thank you!!!!
^^ THIS. The fact that people believe in a book that was written years ago boggles my mind. I can write a book today and in 2000 years from now people will believe what i have written??? Does that even seem right to you? Let's not forget how the book has been changed over the years(Nicene Council) . Basically making women and black people men's slaves.. but that is another thread...0 -
Oh, I don't know about that...
...You go around all high and mighty, not having to worry about people not only hating you (even though they've never met you)...Because it's just not natural and don't tell me you're born that way, you choose to be gay, period. I am anti LGBT everything0 -
Ummm...I am not an avid bible reader, but heard that the "end of the world (2012) was written somewhere in there. So are we supposed to believe this too? Just saying. I'm not anti anything. I love everyone. Cuz remember Jesus died for our sins. SO if anti-gays think being gay is a sin, well, don't matter now does it. Cuz we all are forgiven our sins. IMO 0
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