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the good thing about watching your diet and intake on MFP is that when you are on vacation (I just came back from 18 days off, and did not log in for even one day) you still make healthy chioces and push away when you think you ate 'enough'. I was also very active on my vacation... I don't like to sit around, I like to walk, hike swim, fish.... so when I returned to the gym I was 8 pounds lighter than when I left. I kind of wonder if it was muscle loss, but people have told me you don't lose muscle that fast. Also if I see someone over-eating it makes me think "that was me 2 years ago" and I probably eat less than I would have at that point.0
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Was the food good?
On a cruise..the food is pretty awesome.
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Me too, but what I actually want to eat probably isn't the same as what you want to eat...If I go on a cruise I'm going to eat whatever the heck I want while I'm there.0 -
If I start to judge others I think, What if that person has already lost 50lbs? I would be congratulating and supporting them rather than judging.0
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OY! I agree with you. I don't think vacations are an excuse to let your diet completely slip into oblivion. It's a place to relax, enjoy nice food, but don't go "overboard".
I think most health-conscious people would just enjoy the fact that on a cruise the food is prepared for them and they don't have to make the effort. I wouldn't see it as a free-for-all. Yeah, I'd indulge in a treat here or there, but wouldn't go hog-wild.
It's all in the mind-set. Life-style vs. diet.
^^This^^
As a formerly morbidly obese person, I find that making excuses to over-indulge is what got me into my original predicament to begin with. My health doesn't care if I'm on a cruise. I'm in this to be healthy, not diet. I want to lead by example, not show my children that it's okay to over eat for a week because the trip was expensive. I want to show them how you can still eat healthy while being away from home and being faced with tempting circumstances.
For me, If I was faced with the same circumstances I would be concerned and saddened. Concerned for the health of the people convincing themselves that it's okay to eat that way and saddened because they don't realize how much better life is when you pass on the extra helping and go outside and enjoy the fresh air.0 -
I was looking at the website of a luxury cruise line, just for the fun of it. I noted that it had many exercise facilities and in my daydream, I worked out every day, while enjoying the cuisine. I once went to spa that had a dieter's menu, but more important, it was possible to fill one's entire day with wonderful things to do inside and out: Traditional gym facilities, swimming, yoga, hikes, massages, health and cultural topic lectures.
There's too much emphasis on food in our culture, especially on large portions of food that isn't that all healthy.0 -
I have been on several cruises.
LOVE THEM!
And yes, it is a food orgy for sure.
As for the sea of cellulite, MY GOD! I was worried the boat would tip over.
And not everybody was fat, and guess where I ran into them when we were not stuffing our faces?
THE SHIP GYM!
And guess how many fat people were in the gym?
ZERO!
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My wife and I love cruising and have to say there are as many ways there to binge eat healthy as unhealthy, and they have a great gym and running track.
We go in September and I plan to eat whenever I feel like, just this time I'm going to limit the 24 hour pizza stand and the awesome pasta bar..... limit, not give up
A bigger worry should be, if we had to get in the lifeboat, how to get in line with the thinner people :laugh:0 -
My wife and I love cruising and have to say there are as many ways there to binge eat healthy as unhealthy, and they have a great gym and running track.
We go in September and I plan to eat whenever I feel like, just this time I'm going to limit the 24 hour pizza stand and the awesome pasta bar..... limit, not give up
A bigger worry should be, if we had to get in the lifeboat, how to get in line with the thinner people :laugh:
LOL I guess since we've been working out we should be able to run faster :laugh: :laugh:0 -
We are always being watched by SOMEONE. But for me, not only would I probably feast while on a cruise, but I would surround myself with interesting companions so my entertainment wasn't watching others at the watering hole.0
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I don't judge adults who are over weight, I don't know them, I don't know their situation or other potential health issues etc. BUT It does make me sad when I see children starting out as obese and learning those habits from their families.. I don't like for my eating to be judged, I don't judge others for what they eat... yesterday I had cake for lunch... healthiest choice? NO but it was a bday party n I'm here to be healthier, not to stop enjoying family celebrations and I had a moderate portion. Again.. I'm not here to judge anyone, if I don't like someone's food choices then I won't adopt those choices as my own, other than that, it's none of my business.0
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To atrjohnson: My family history is very similar to yours and I cannot even begin to tell you how tiresome it is to listen to the "social darwinists" who want to paint everyone with the same brush. Each person is on their own journey and far be it from me to judge or even pretend to know what is going on in that journey. Shame on you, fitness professional....0
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And he drinks diet sodas which is another source of shame.To atrjohnson: My family history is very similar to yours and I cannot even begin to tell you how tiresome it is to listen to the "social darwinists" who want to paint everyone with the same brush. Each person is on their own journey and far be it from me to judge or even pretend to know what is going on in that journey. Shame on you, fitness professional....
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Me too, but what I actually want to eat probably isn't the same as what you want to eat...If I go on a cruise I'm going to eat whatever the heck I want while I'm there.
Bon voyage, be sure to bring a nosebag for your high horse.0 -
Everyone is on their individual journey toward health. I pay no attention to the comments of others because I know that their journey is not mine and vice versa. My grandmother lived to be 96 and she was 250lbs. She was never ill. My great grandmother was 200lbs and she died at 103. She was never ill. My father has been an athlete all of his life and never overweight. He is diabetic and at one point was insulin dependent. I am old enough to know that people have to find their own way and my thoughts about it do not matter. When people are ready they will make a change. When they are not ready, they will remain stagnant.0 -
Speaking of children and their parents raising them in an unhealthy way. I was at the store the other day and took my daughter to the bathroom. There were two of those automatic riding carts parked there. A kid, maybe around 11 years old comes skipping out of the bathroom and goes and sits on one, he was horribly overweight for his height and age his mother, who was also very big, took the other one. All I could think was; aren't those things for people who are hurt or can't be on their feet for too long? I just can't stand when I see something like that and somebody else is hobbling around the store on cruches because there are no more carts to ride. And I can't help but feel that that is the attitude that got that person so big in the first place. Doesn't even want to push a cart around the store for 20 minutes.0
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When you point a finger you have three pointing back at you. If you are out on a cruise or dinner or the store mind your own business.0
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Food police, much?
They said it because you were listening. And they felt bad and they wanted to eat because that's what makes them feel better and they haven't gotten to the point you are in thinking "this is crazy, just stop". Don't stare. It's rude. I was obese because my heart was broken and I was filling the gap with food, glorious food. Don't break someone's heart more than it is already by judging them.
Also. Food tastes good. It tastes damn good. I had a bite of chocolate cake today - but I was sure to tell the people around me that I am aware I am making a bad choice and that the diet is back on tomorrow! Didn't care, had cake.0 -
I don't know, maybe I am self centered but I pay no attention to what others are saying or eating anywhere I go. First off, it's none of my business and secondly I have quite enough of my own things to worry about without judging the decision making of others unless it impacts me directly.0
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Yes you are all right, it is none of my business, and I don't say anything. I don't know their story, but I still have my thoughts, and whether anybody likes it or not I'm not going to stop my brain from reasoning through a scene happening in front of me.0
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OY! I agree with you. I don't think vacations are an excuse to let your diet completely slip into oblivion. It's a place to relax, enjoy nice food, but don't go "overboard".
I think most health-conscious people would just enjoy the fact that on a cruise the food is prepared for them and they don't have to make the effort. I wouldn't see it as a free-for-all. Yeah, I'd indulge in a treat here or there, but wouldn't go hog-wild.
It's all in the mind-set. Life-style vs. diet.
^^This^^
As a formerly morbidly obese person, I find that making excuses to over-indulge is what got me into my original predicament to begin with. My health doesn't care if I'm on a cruise. I'm in this to be healthy, not diet. I want to lead by example, not show my children that it's okay to over eat for a week because the trip was expensive. I want to show them how you can still eat healthy while being away from home and being faced with tempting circumstances.
For me, If I was faced with the same circumstances I would be concerned and saddened. Concerned for the health of the people convincing themselves that it's okay to eat that way and saddened because they don't realize how much better life is when you pass on the extra helping and go outside and enjoy the fresh air.
This. And I did not get from the OP that he was being judgmental or trying to start a thread just to smack talk. I have lost weight and gained it back more than once. I am now on my 3rd weight loss attempt in 6 years. What made me gain it back each time is allowing the excuses to come back up. Once I hit my goal, i stop monitoring everything that goes in my body, and allow myself more indulgences than I did when I was dieting. Now that I am here, again, I fully understand the difference between diet and changing your life. Thats what I think this post speaks to. Yes you have to indulge some in your life, in moderation. And yes, if you are on vacation you can let yourself indulge a little more than you normally would if you were just at home. But that is not an excuse for a free for all. It is sad that so many people in this country are obese, and honestly I tihnk its sad that we aren't allowed to talk openly about it without being attacked for being bullies. If a smoker that had lung damage said, oh im on vacation I am going to smoke as much as I want, then back to no smoking next week, would that be ok? Would people be defending that person? I doubt it.0 -
I find it simply amazing in society that apparently fat-ness is the one last beacon that we feel that we are able to judge people on. Although it used to be race or sex, since this is simply inappropriate many people maintain it is okay to judge people based on their size. As a formerly morbidly obese person, I know that I got that way because of a poor choices, but mostly because of my complete lack of exercise. Having completely revamped my life to include much more physical activity, I do feel that this allows me a bit more "laxity" when it comes to whatever diet or food choices that I choose. But then again, I also dont assume that people are watching what I choose to eat because it is absolutely no ones business but my own.
I recently returned home from a 7 day running camp. We ran 3-5 miles in the morning, than sat and listened to speakers about running, and went for a strenous 1-2 hour hike in the afternoon. I did glance around the table to see what the other healthy-weight runners were eating compared to me, worried someone that someone was going to point and laugh. And what I noticed, for the most part is that people ate until full ... and then stopped. And almost everyone had a little dessert with lunch and dinner.
I lost 3.5 pounds during that week ... and I have to admit I do believe that within reason a fit and active lifestyle can cancel out a few less than stellar dietary choices. You notice I said within reason ... but hey the proof is on the scale my friends! 0 -
I find it simply amazing in society that apparently fat-ness is the one last beacon that we feel that we are able to judge people on. Although it used to be race or sex, since this is simply inappropriate many people maintain it is okay to judge people based on their size.
Nah, I judge people on their smoking instead 0 -
I didn't read every post in this thread, but I did want to address the point a number of people made that "if it's not you or your spouse or your kids it's none of your business and has nothing to do with you and you should butt out."
Well, you're wrong. It has to do with me because obesity is a public health problem that costs American tax payers hundreds of millions of dollars a year in the form of medicare, medicaid and emergency room payments for obesity related health problems. So yes, your obesity is my problem and my business because it is costing me money.
Before anyone decides to crucify me or call me judgmental, I think the same thing about smoking so I'm not just being prejudiced to obese people.0 -
Race and sex isn't something that we choose, we're born that way. Smoking, drugs, food...these are all choices that people make in their lives. Of course there's lot's of variables, such as being raised in an obese family, and never learning to eat healthy, but at the same time, people that are abused in their childhood and turn into serial killers aren't given a pardon because they didn't know any better.
My point is, it's not that I'm judging them (just speaking for myself) it's that I empathize with them. I know how hard it is, to say no, to start on this journey, to stop convincing yourself that it doesn't matter that you're fat, that you're happy being this size. I've said it all to myself, on many of occasions, for many years. So now that I've finally, finally made the choice to be healthy or healthier it's hard for me to see other people not doing the same thing. I want to shake them and tell them, start today. Don't make the excuses, you have no idea how much happier you'll be! 0 -
My 2 cents. As a smoker for a long time trying to quit, you should hear the Smack that people talk, RIGHT TO MY FACE. Total strangers. Telling me that I am killing myself and lilling the people around me.
This is OK, but God forbid you tell a morbidly obese person that they need to buy two seats on a plane, or something like that. Then we are insensitive BULLIES.
Big time double standard there.
And yes, I was fat and lost weight. And even when I was fat, I would look at FATTER people than me, and in my own head, or to my wife, I would judge them. Damn right. Just like I was/am judged on my smoking.0 -
Was the food good?
On a cruise..the food is pretty awesome.
Unless you go on Carnival, their food was gross! I guess that's what we got for going on a cheap cruise lol0 -
I would say there's only one thing you shouldn't do in these situations and that's binging. If your full up stop eating, especially if your going to choose the high calorie foods.0
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Note to self : Angel, If you ever get the oppurtunity to go on a cruise , go on a cheap one so you aren't as likely to over eat.Was the food good?
On a cruise..the food is pretty awesome.
Unless you go on Carnival, their food was gross! I guess that's what we got for going on a cheap cruise lol0 -
how old were they??? my aunt and uncle, both raised by Depression Era parents, stuff their faces when there is free food simply because that's how they were raised, and it's a harder habit to break than smoking. They will go on a cruise and pack a ton of clothes because by the time they head home, they are 2 sizes larger. Sadly, food is all they really have in common. Neither have a hobby and both are retired. They are aware of the health issues and will lose the "cruise weight" within a month. I chalk it up to "to each his own". I personally think it's sad, but it's their lives.0
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