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What's wrong with eating whatever you want, but not just eating a lot of it? What's wrong with exercising and staying on track while on vacation? Hate to say it but vacations may be part of the reason people QUIT weight loss and exercise. Many work hard to look good, get fit, lose weight for it and in a week or two all that hard work goes down the drain because of OVERINDULGENCE. Many figure why work that hard for months to only gain it back in a week or two? So it's not unusual that they quit once back from vacation.I agree if im on a crusie or vacation I'm going to eat WHATEVER I want. I just know that when vaction is over I going to have to go an extra mile to get back and stay on track
You can "vacation" everyday of your life, if you learn how to make it a lifestyle and not just an occasion.
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Well, you're wrong. It has to do with me because obesity is a public health problem that costs American tax payers hundreds of millions of dollars a year in the form of medicare, medicaid and emergency room payments for obesity related health problems. So yes, your obesity is my problem and my business because it is costing me money.
Really? Well, I have a few questions for you. Have you had unprotected sex? Do you drink? Ever used recreational drugs? Ever gone scuba diving? Ever gone sky diving? What is your exercise regimen? None of my business you say? Of course it is, I'm a taxpayer!
Hey Brian:
Yes, yes, yes, yes, no, 4 times a week 30-60 minutes. And it's not your business because I'm fortunate enough to have good health insurance. So when I get aids or alcohol poisoning or OD on pills or come to the surface too quickly and get whatever that scuba diving pressure sickness is it'll be my insurance company paying for it, not the tax payers. And I'm not going to look up the statistics but I'd be willing to be obesity kills many more people per year than all those things combined.
But you've inspired me to change me original statement. If the government pays for your health care you don't have the right to be overweight. If you have insurance from your employer, or that you pay for yourself, or you're just really rich, eat your heart out.0 -
Portion control.
That's really all I have to say to everyone.0 -
What's wrong with eating whatever you want, but not just eating a lot of it? What's wrong with exercising and staying on track while on vacation? Hate to say it but vacations may be part of the reason people QUIT weight loss and exercise. Many work hard to look good, get fit, lose weight for it and in a week or two all that hard work goes down the drain because of OVERINDULGENCE. Many figure why work that hard for months to only gain it back in a week or two? So it's not unusual that they quit once back from vacation.I agree if im on a crusie or vacation I'm going to eat WHATEVER I want. I just know that when vaction is over I going to have to go an extra mile to get back and stay on track
You can "vacation" everyday of your life, if you learn how to make it a lifestyle and not just an occasion.
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what he said.0 -
Why are people kicking up such a fuss over him having noticed the obvious? It's normal human nature! As if any of you wouldn't notice a 200lb 12 year old...
I agree.
Everyone on here is always analyzing people's posts for being judgemental. Which really doesn't add to any OP's point, and everyone is judgemental to some degree.
Anywho, I'll be totally blunt and I'm sure people will just complain about me, but everyone keeps assuming these morbidly obese people are on diets before the cruise and oh maybe they just lost 100 lbs, but how likely is that?
Nothing wrong with enjoying yourself on vacation or your birthday, but if you stuff yourself completely full I think that's a sign of emotional eating, which isn't healthy.0 -
Why are you taking time out of your vacation to worry about what others are doing? You should have just enjoyed your time and kept to yourself/your family. I feel sorry for the twelve year old boy. You were staring at him and estimating how much he weighs. How would you feel if someone did that to you?
Maybe thinking about what other people are doing is enjoyable.0 -
I find it interesting that a fitness professional who found himself in a position to need to lose weight is so judgmental of others. You don't know any of those people, or any of their situations.
And if I'm not married to (or partnered with) them or parenting them, it's none of my damned business what anyone else is eating.
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Just like you don't know his life story or situation?0 -
Well, you're wrong. It has to do with me because obesity is a public health problem that costs American tax payers hundreds of millions of dollars a year in the form of medicare, medicaid and emergency room payments for obesity related health problems. So yes, your obesity is my problem and my business because it is costing me money.
Really? Well, I have a few questions for you. Have you had unprotected sex? Do you drink? Ever used recreational drugs? Ever gone scuba diving? Ever gone sky diving? What is your exercise regimen? None of my business you say? Of course it is, I'm a taxpayer!
Hey Brian:
Yes, yes, yes, yes, no, 4 times a week 30-60 minutes. And it's not your business because I'm fortunate enough to have good health insurance. So when I get aids or alcohol poisoning or OD on pills or come to the surface too quickly and get whatever that scuba diving pressure sickness is it'll be my insurance company paying for it, not the tax payers. And I'm not going to look up the statistics but I'd be willing to be obesity kills many more people per year than all those things combined.
But you've inspired me to change me original statement. If the government pays for your health care you don't have the right to be overweight. If you have insurance from your employer, or that you pay for yourself, or you're just really rich, eat your heart out.
We all still pay for it even when people have their own health insurance or insurance through a company.
The more sickness overall, the more EVERYONE'S rates go up.
So, it affects every single one of us, no matter what type of insurance you have.0 -
I find it interesting that a fitness professional who found himself in a position to need to lose weight is so judgmental of others. You don't know any of those people, or any of their situations.
And if I'm not married to (or partnered with) them or parenting them, it's none of my damned business what anyone else is eating.
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Just like you don't know his life story or situation?
I think it's unfortunately easy to judge some people in some situations. An obese person overeating. A person on oxygen smoking. An alcoholic or drug addict "indulging." It's hard to watch people self-destructing. I get angry with myself when I judge, but honestly I can cut the OP some slack because I still catch myself doing it.0 -
Judging the judgmental is the new "acceptable" form of judgement.
Personally, if I see an obese person eating a ton of unhealthy food, I do not judge them. Some people just love food, and would prefer to indulge than be healthy, and that is their right as adults.
Some people smoke.
Some people drink.
Most people do something that is unhealthy.
On the other hand, if I see an obese person eating a ton of unhealthy food while talking about dieting or wanting to lose weight, I judge them the same I would any other weak-willed hypocrite.
There is nothing to respect about that.
Also, when I see people with morbidly obese children, I think that they should have their children taken away for being abusive parents. There is absolutely no excuse for doing that to your kids (barring exotic medical conditions).
Feel free to judge me for saying these things!0 -
Just wow! Niner, as a guy who has helped me and countless others on this site, I can't believe how people are taking judgemental shots at you for making an observation that looked to me to be based in empathy and the calling YOU judgemental!
I'm always amazed at some people on this site that get all self righteous and judgemental because they think they are the one who should correct someone elses attitude and in the course of doing that display a worse attitude that the person they seek to correct!
Niner, you are a good man and I totally get where you were coming from. We all make observations and we all make judgements.0 -
Why are you taking time out of your vacation to worry about what others are doing? You should have just enjoyed your time and kept to yourself/your family. I feel sorry for the twelve year old boy. You were staring at him and estimating how much he weighs. How would you feel if someone did that to you?
I didn't have to estimate his weight, one glance told me that this kid was morbidly obese. I don't really give a *kitten* if people estimate my weight.0 -
Judging the judgmental is the new "acceptable" form of judgement.
Personally, if I see an obese person eating a ton of unhealthy food, I do not judge them. Some people just love food, and would prefer to indulge than be healthy, and that is their right as adults.
Some people smoke.
Some people drink.
Most people do something that is unhealthy.
On the other hand, if I see an obese person eating a ton of unhealthy food while talking about dieting or wanting to lose weight, I judge them the same I would any other weak-willed hypocrite.
There is nothing to respect about that.
Also, when I see people with morbidly obese children, I think that they should have their children taken away for being abusive parents. There is absolutely no excuse for doing that to your kids (barring exotic medical conditions).
Feel free to judge me for saying these things!
I agree with you on all points.0 -
Wow, I am amazed at all the disparaging comments directed toward Ninerbuff.
He didn't say anything out of the way in any shape, form or fashion that should have sparked some of these comments.
This is an internet forum. We should be able to have mature dialog about these things without people being so sensitive and upset.
Put your big girl panties or your big boy drawers and take some constructive criticism. I find that the people that get the most upset are the ones that think these comments are somehow directed at them.0 -
I too think people are missing the point by this thread.
I have seen many many many over weight kids as I have worked in the public school system. It's a shame and is becoming an epidemic.
When you see kindergarteners who can't even run on the play ground without huffing and puffing....well, it's a huge issue.
When you see parents fighting to get their child chocolate milk even though it's FDA regulated to only have low fat white milk at free breakfast, yes, it's a problem.
I think this was the point the original poster was trying to make.0 -
I too think people are missing the point by this thread.
I have seen many many many over weight kids as I have worked in the public school system. It's a shame and is becoming an epidemic.
When you see kindergarteners who can't even run on the play ground without huffing and puffing....well, it's a huge issue.
When you see parents fighting to get their child chocolate milk even though it's FDA regulated to only have low fat white milk at free breakfast, yes, it's a problem.
I think this was the point the original poster was trying to make.
They are missing the point because they are taking Ninerbuff's words personally. That is causing them to become sensitive and upset. This in turn causes people to be incapable of seeing the point.0 -
I have been on lots of cruises and the one thing that sticks out to me is the waste. You know...the "pile it high and doesn't matter if you waste it" philosophy. That bugs me. I'd ratehr somebody went back to the buffet table than waste food.
Me? Despite being morbidly obese, even I have a limit. I think it's unfair to take everything and leave nothing for others LOL. i have one starter, one plate of mains and 1 dessert if I want one. i'm on my holiday and I'll eat and enjoy myself. But yet I don't go nuts.
Despite that, I have heard judgemental comments from people who wrongly assume that the fattest person in the room ate all the food. THAT annoys me because I'd say my plate is usually less laden than other peoples for the simple reason that I don't want to gain even more weight on holiday!0 -
More the reason that we as people should strive for a more reasonable weight limit so that we can enjoy life more.
Just noticed this - couldn't agree more! This coming from somebody who has poor quality of life because of her weight...0 -
Thank you to everybody who is trying to understand where I was coming from. I was trying to add to the OP's point that it's sad that people get themselves into this kind of situation. I try very hard not to pass judgement on people but it's human nature, and especially my nature to observe and analyze everything happening around me. And I see obesity as a choice that got them in a bad place, just like my choices put me at risk of heart attack and arthritis at one point. I know that all the comments, good and bad, in the last few pages about the 12 year old kid where directed at me because I read the whole thing and I was the one that told the story about the little kid.0
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I'm not going to bother reading everyone else's responses, as they will probably just make me mad. People like you are the reason people like me don't even like to leave the house. If I was having a "cheat meal", and someone like you saw me, you'd probably think the same thing as you just posted. But I've seen your posts, and I know for a fact that I eat cleaner than you do, and I work out more than you do. I won't always look like this, but I have to continue doing what I'm doing to get the fantastic body hiding under the 3 years of abuse I did to myself. Why don't you worry about your own goals, and stop judging everyone else. You aren't perfect enough to make these kinds of uninformed observations.0
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Always reminds me that I think the simple difference between a fat person and thin is the fat person thinks food is fun. vacation to a fat person means more (what they consider) quality food to eat to excess along with alcohol.
Thin (I use this loosely because if I say healthy that opens up a whole can of worms with the fats) looks at a cruise for activities swimming, being active0 -
My church has an All-You-Can-Eat picnic @ or around the fourth of July and folks eat like there is no tomorrow and like they have never had a meal. When they get in the parking lot and out of the buses or cars, many run to get the food (the food is served all day from the time we get there to the time we leave). I took a break from going there for three years because I was so saddened by what I saw. And if anyone knows the stats for weight/size within evangelical churches within the United States, you know that obesity runs rampant. In fact I don't seat on the main floor, because I have become sandwiched between two obese folks to where I couldn't not even open a bible and anything because I was squished in-between. Our church seats 5,500 people and with three services a lot of large saints walk through those doors.
But thank G_d there are a lot of Personal Trainers there and they got together to start a fitness program.0 -
It's posts like this which make people who are overweight have extremely low confidence. If you don't know the people in question then it's none of your business what they're eating or what they're not eating. Just because you may not agree with their decisions doesn't mean you get to judge them or put them down.
try sticking to positive thoughts/posts about other people, and if you can't handle that why don't you try and think about only your own choices and journey.0 -
My church has an All-You-Can-Eat picnic @ or around the fourth of July and folks eat like there is no tomorrow and like they have never had a meal. When they get in the parking lot and out of the buses or cars, many run to get the food (the food is served all day from the time we get there to the time we leave). I took a break from going there for three years because I was so saddened by what I saw. And if anyone knows the stats for weight/size within evangelical churches within the United States, you know that obesity runs rampant. In fact I don't seat on the main floor, because I have become sandwiched between two obese folks to where I couldn't not even open a bible and anything because I was squished in-between. Our church seats 5,500 people and with three services a lot of large saints walk through those doors.
But thank G_d there are a lot of Personal Trainers there and they got together to start a fitness program.
Lol - you paint a picture there
I find it funny when someone who isn't overweight turns up and pigs out - hence proving slow metabolisms of course!.... No that person eats much less the rest of the time0 -
More the reason that we as people should strive for a more reasonable weight limit so that we can enjoy life more.
Just noticed this - couldn't agree more! This coming from somebody who has poor quality of life because of her weight...
Yes, I know what you mean.
At one time I was extremely physically fit and super healthy. Health issues caused my weight gain due to hormone imbalances.
I am making great strides to get back to my old self. It is no fun not being able to to go to the amusement park because you get out of breath and it hurts to walk, bike riding was a challenge amongst other things.
My poor quality of life not only hurt me, but it has hurt my husband and my dogs.0 -
It's posts like this which make people who are overweight have extremely low confidence. If you don't know the people in question then it's none of your business what they're eating or what they're not eating. Just because you may not agree with their decisions doesn't mean you get to judge them or put them down.
try sticking to positive thoughts/posts about other people, and if you can't handle that why don't you try and think about only your own choices and journey.
There was nothing negative about what the OP said.
If speaking the truth is negative, then people expect others to sugar coat everything for them and life is not like that. Sorry.0 -
As an avid cruiser myself, I wouldn't judge someone like this. The truth is, you have no idea what's been going on in their lives prior to when you see them in the buffet line. Maybe they've already lost a ton of weight and they are celebrating, maybe they've had to save for years to be able to afford this vacation. Personally, if I'm on a once in a lifetime vacation that I might not ever be able to do again, I'm not going to want to spend it eating Ceasar salads every day. Maybe they have something like an underactive thyroid or certain medication that hinders weight loss.
I ate what I wanted on the cruise, in moderation. In fact, I got strange looks when I went up to a buffet and got my slice of tomato and fresh mozzarella as my "appetizer". My breakfasts usually consisted of one eggs benedict and a grilled tomato. I'm sure, comparatively speaking.... I was strange for getting so little. Did I gain weight? Yes. Have I lost it since? Yes, and then some.
People have a right to do whatever they want with their own lives. Yes, there are people out there who are overweight and just don't care. They are working themselves to an early grave, but that is their choice. But just because we see an obese person at a buffet or eating a large portion doesn't mean this is always the case. I personally try to keep to the saying of: Don't judge, lest thou also be judged.0 -
Always reminds me that I think the simple difference between a fat person and thin is the fat person thinks food is fun. vacation to a fat person means more (what they consider) quality food to eat to excess along with alcohol.
Thin (I use this loosely because if I say healthy that opens up a whole can of worms with the fats) looks at a cruise for activities swimming, being active
Personally I don't like to see people gorge themselves whether they are thin, normal or obese weights. It is gluttonous and there is too much of a sense of entitlement.0 -
The main thing that bothers me about people who have unhealthy attitudes about food is that they really aren't making informed decisions most of the time. We are so bombarded by marketing and propaganda from the food industry that it's hard to know what's true about food. Package labeling is deceptive and advertising is very carefully crafted to make you eat as much as possible and in so companies can maximize profits. There are a lot of people who have a vested interest in making sure we don't understand food and ignore the consequences of eating unwisely. Keep people confused and they will say to hell with it and eat what they want.0
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As an avid cruiser myself, I wouldn't judge someone like this. The truth is, you have no idea what's been going on in their lives prior to when you see them in the buffet line. Maybe they've already lost a ton of weight and they are celebrating, maybe they've had to save for years to be able to afford this vacation. Personally, if I'm on a once in a lifetime vacation that I might not ever be able to do again, I'm not going to want to spend it eating Ceasar salads every day. Maybe they have something like an underactive thyroid or certain medication that hinders weight loss.
I ate what I wanted on the cruise, in moderation. In fact, I got strange looks when I went up to a buffet and got my slice of tomato and fresh mozzarella as my "appetizer". My breakfasts usually consisted of one eggs benedict and a grilled tomato. I'm sure, comparatively speaking.... I was strange for getting so little. Did I gain weight? Yes. Have I lost it since? Yes, and then some.
People have a right to do whatever they want with their own lives. Yes, there are people out there who are overweight and just don't care. They are working themselves to an early grave, but that is their choice. But just because we see an obese person at a buffet or eating a large portion doesn't mean this is always the case. I personally try to keep to the saying of: Don't judge, lest thou also be judged.
Regardless if someone just eats too much, has a medical condition or has excess weight due to a particular medication - there is no reason to go on vacation and be a glutton.
I am sorry, but that is just making excuses for people.
And everyone is judged.0
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