PSU Punishment...
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punishing the students is not going to "fix" what Sandusky did. its just punishing kids who had nothing to do with it.
to me, there is no right or wrong punishment here, what happened was unspeakable and really just sad.0 -
The punishment fits the crime. The best part about it is that PSU took down the Paterno statue. He was clearly a d-bag who let the power get to him0
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They covered up child abuse! Child rape! They deserve much worse!0
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Considering this is a state school that receives money from taxpayers, I am not a fan of the $60,000,000 fine.0
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Thisdon't forget negating the wins from 1998-2011. that i think is the hardest part of the punishment. everything else seems fair.
I have to agree, I'd even accept and welcome harsher punishments than those instituted on the forthcoming side (fines, bowl bans, etc.); but the negation of the football wins makes little sense to me. How does this scandal make the wins of those games illegitimate? I suppose I don't oppose Joe having his title stripped from him, but it seems a bizarre punishment that primarily targets the players on the team rather than the administration.0 -
They covered up child abuse! Child rape! They deserve much worse!
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May this be a stark reminder to ALLLL mandated reporters in our society! Not just those in the medical, legal and educational fields, we are all able to report suspician and protect those that are more helpless, the young and the elderly!0
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punishing the students is not going to "fix" what Sandusky did. its just punishing kids who had nothing to do with it.
to me, there is no right or wrong punishment here, what happened was unspeakable and really just sad.
No punishment ever undoes a crime. But this sure as hell will make other schools think twice about covering something like this up ever again.0 -
I don't know a lot of details about this situation, so excuse my ignorance, why are they removing scholarships?0
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If I were king, I would ban Penn State from any football, not competitive, not recreational. I'd tear down the stadium and make it a dog park.0
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The innocent get punished all the time, e.g. Sandusky's victims, that PSU allowed to be victimized on premises so I really couldn't care any less if they had shut the football program down indefinitely. Personally I think they should shut the entire school down, yes thousands will be affected but I believe it would deter any institution from allowing such a heinous crime to go unreported ever again. And all the JoePa supporters sicken me when they talk about his legacy, guess what, if I was rich and donated all my money to the sick and poor but was a serial killer on the side I don't think you could say I was a "good guy".0
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I think the punishment was correct...the only thing I may have changed is allow them to go to bowls, but take the university take, plus any take they get from other Big 10 schools going to bowls and give to charity....this would keep current players from being punished, plus generate revenue for the charities and keep the university from seeing the mioney0
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Honestly I think that Penn State got off easy with this one...I think although the punishment is a step in the right direction...It could have and should have been much worse.0
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Def appropriate! The "win" and the "reputation" corrupted all of their morals and that's not what a University is supposed to be about! If anything I thinks it's a little lenient!0
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Something are bigger then football....
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They covered up child abuse! Child rape! They deserve much worse!
the people that covered that up and were involved with it deserve much worse. the football program should also be properly punished. The death penalty would affect far too many people that were not involved with the scandal whose livelihood depends on the football program.
I feel like firing the individuals in the cover up and slapping them all with hefty fines would be more appropriate. Why punish the program-punish the ones who were responsible, not the whole school.0 -
While I know very little about the situation as a whole, this punishment seems to penalise current and future students more than those who might reasonably have been believed to be involved/to have turned a blind eye. The removal of scholarships in particular will make it very, very hard for some student athletes to complete their education, which seems unjust to me.0
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I'm okay with the fine and Joe losing some wins; but I think the 4-yr death penalty is too much. Everyone involved with this is gone from the University. Now I think the Big 10 is going to do some extra punishing. This could be the end of Penn St Football. SMU still has not recovered from the death penalty and it's been 25 years. I think they're going to let the players transfer but I think they're punishing the wrong people.0
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While I know very little about the situation as a whole, this punishment seems to penalise current and future students more than those who might reasonably have been believed to be involved/to have turned a blind eye. The removal of scholarships in particular will make it very, very hard for some student athletes to complete their education, which seems unjust to me.
The NCAA stipulated that any student athletes already under scholarship can keep said scholarships as long as they stay acedemically elligible, this just pertains to new scholarships for the next 4 years.0 -
I'm good with punishing the program, I'm not good with recourse that would hurt the players. The whole thing is utterly heartbreaking to me. What happened to those boys, the fact that anyone would think that it was a good idea to keep it quiet, the fact that anyone would in good conscious not taken care of the situation at the time and would allow it to continue, the fact that there would be any denial when shtf, the fact that there is a legacy of cover up. I’m good with anything that doesn’t take away from the players that went through that program, they weren’t a part of it all.0
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Everyone involved with this is gone from the University.
But the environment, the "cover it up for the sake of the program" mentality, all of that remains. You could have put different people in the same situation and it probably would have still happened because of the money and power and hero worship. If you punish the people but leave the program intact and whole, then the message won't get through the same way.0 -
Just like the punishment impacts the innocent, there is also an undeserving winner. Bobby Bowden. This scumbag is now the winningest coach of all time. :sick:0
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Got to hit them where it hurts. The only thing I am sorry about is that some people may lose the opportunity for a scholarship because of Penn State's cover up.
I don't care how much of an icon Paterno was, if he helped cover up even 1 instance of abuse, he deserves the bad shame and conmsternation being handed down. If he were alive, he should be punished.
Being a great coach does not forgive his actions. Unfortunately, the blame probably runs much broader than reported.0 -
In light of being flamed for my comments....
An investigative report by the FBI totaling 267 pages of reported sexual abuse at the hands of J.S,. while many people in Penn State looked the other way thinking it would 'go away' because the team was performing. Employees, coaches, trainers, aides, janitors, Administrative and 'high ups' in college had knowledge and did nothing...for years. The former director of the FBI reported that he was sickened and shocked at the repeated offenses that were swept the out of way while the 'winningest couch performed' for the crowds. Someone witnesses a horrifying rape and others have knowledge of a crime being committed, and the only thing done is a series of emails that were sent back and forth to 'handle it inside the walls of the campus' to not involve officials....??.
If this involved your child, brother, nephew, or grandchild would you think the sanctions were enough?0 -
Just like the punishment impacts the innocent, there is also an undeserving winner. Bobby Bowden. This scumbag is now the winningest coach of all time. :sick:
Ugh.
I don't really follow football much, but I live in Tallahassee. When Bowden was forced to retire, he threw a temper tantrum. He has no class.0 -
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They all deserve jail!0
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IMHO feels like they care more about punishing the football program then the one's who let this happen in the 1st place,what they should do is replace anyone who is still working there when this happened and knew and tried to cover it up! Why punish the players and make them go to a different school just because some people who were supposed to be responsible adults didn't do what they knew morally they were supposed to do.Seems like the punishment is aimed more towards the football aspect than this being a child sexual abuse case!0
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IMHO feels like they care more about punishing the football program then the one's who let this happen in the 1st place.
They let it happen BECAUSE of the football program.0 -
don't forget negating the wins from 1998-2011. that i think is the hardest part of the punishment. everything else seems fair.
Go 'Noles....... too soon...?
But seriously, situations like this are what happens when you put winning football games above anything else....0
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