Do you think there's a masculinity crisis in America?
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It doesn't mean you aren't evolved, I suppose. You don't have to do any of those things to be "evolved". Being evolved has a lot more to do with attitude. And to sit and question the masculinity of the things you mentioned above.. well who are you to really say.OP deactivated already, what?!
I did because I got way too many hate mail from this thread and I didnt have time to deal with it. There were some women who got hostile from it. lol. It was just a question. Personally for me, I dont think anyone should dominate anyone. I think it should be 50/50. I know times have changed and people are different now. I posted this because pretty much all the guys I know get pushed around and treated like crap by their women. I also dont agree with most women either, im sorry, no one should wear the pants, it should be a partnership.
wow, this post really got some people fired up. I was hangin out with a gay couple, 2 women, and 2 guys and we all had this discussion. We all questioned this and agree and it was an adult conversation. Apparently on here, its hard to have an adult conversation with some people. A couple of women, oh wow, you showed me. lol. Trust me, it doesnt hurt coming from you.
Even on here, some women say they run things and no one has a problem with it. Its not right, it should be equal but l do agree with many who said there are no so called manly role models and I think that is the reason and also the trendy thing. Its not like im involved in a hate group, I just dont understand how men are now and why they put up with so much crap by the women who are controlling.
I saw some posted things about hipsters, yes I dont like them nor do they like me. There is nothing wrong with that? I can like whoever I want. I live my life and dont really care about how others live theirs unless it affects me. I used to live in Austin and man, I would get attacked by hipsters alot for silly reasons. I wanted to punch one almost everyday. I just want them to leave me alone and I have no idea why they talk to me, I have nothing in common with them but they do try to talk to me about organic, flowers, evil corps, and other things that just dont interest me.
If you are a guy and love the same things women do, fine, thats your deal, I dont get it just like how you dont get how I apparently havnt evolved. I will never get my nails done, wax my chest, love shopping, wear makeup, wear women's clothes, listen to 14 year old girl music, and afraid of dirt.
Clearly there are a lot of women on here who like your thinking. And there are just as many who don't. And that's all fine and dandy.
In this day and age being evolved has a lot more to do with live and let live.0 -
I like MEN.
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My take:
From a woman who just a few years ago complained, "I just want a MAN"...The term masculinity is completely subjective. Gender "roles" came to be because of common gender inclanations, but don't fit the mold for everyone. It's hard to say what, if anything, is lacking when the term is SOOO subjective.
A relationship has an equality, and each person leads in their own way, when they need to. The relationship is finding a balance where both feel "taken care of", and like THEY are "takING care of" the other... part of being a man and a woman.
I'll admit, I love a shirtless man grilling a steak, or throwing a football, or mowing the grass. But, if anyone has seen Magic Mike, dancing can be OH so beautifully masculine, as can a good debate with an intellectual man.0 -
I like MEN.
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Don't you have some woman to make a sandwich for?
know your place!
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My friends little sister was taking courses in education at a "good" school, and was taught that "Boys raising their hand in class is a form of agression".
With jerks like that walking around its a miracle our nation can still function at all.0 -
After reading a guys post from yesterday "needing advice not related to fitness" I I would say yes. This was a 30 yr old man asking for advice on how to get himself to love again and how he doesn't know if he'll ever find it again.
I wanted to pull his man card............yes there is a masculinity crisis! Grow a pair and start acting like men again. Sweep a woman off her feet...........treat her like a queen............and reap the rewards!!! There's a few details to work in the middle too but c'mon guy's!!!!
He was looking for a whole bunch of women here to friend request him. You know, the sympathy vote.
And I would be calling the WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHmbulance for him0 -
and opting for pink instead of other colors.
History lesson: Up until about the 1930s, pink was considered masculine and blue was considered feminine. True story.0 -
Men being more openly "feminine", and women more openly "masculine", is a great thing. There is certainly no masculinity crisis. We all need to accept that men and women's interests and roles cannot and should not be generalized. The sooner that happens, the better off we'll all be.0
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Men being more openly "feminine", and women more openly "masculine", is a great thing. There is certainly no masculinity crisis. We all need to accept that men and women's interests and roles cannot and should not be generalized. The sooner that happens, the better off we'll all be.
yes yes yes yes yes yes.0 -
This entire topic is ludicrous. It's like the women's movement never happened.
*headdesk*
Someone call me when this website moves out of the 1950's.0 -
Honestly: Do you think there's a masculinity crisis in America? Are more men allowing women to dominate relationships?
THAT'S how you measure masculinity???? Whether a man 'dominates' a woman????
How about you measure masculinity by courage, respect, ambition, responsibility, character and THEN ask the question.
but yeah.... I suspect you be trollin'... good luck :drinker:
ATTA BOY!!! there are a few real men on here!:) good for you!
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After reading a guys post from yesterday "needing advice not related to fitness" I I would say yes. This was a 30 yr old man asking for advice on how to get himself to love again and how he doesn't know if he'll ever find it again.
I wanted to pull his man card............yes there is a masculinity crisis! Grow a pair and start acting like men again. Sweep a woman off her feet...........treat her like a queen............and reap the rewards!!! There's a few details to work in the middle too but c'mon guy's!!!!
AMEN!!!! ^^^this this this^^^0 -
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It doesn't mean you aren't evolved, I suppose. You don't have to do any of those things to be "evolved". Being evolved has a lot more to do with attitude. And to sit and question the masculinity of the things you mentioned above.. well who are you to really say.
Clearly there are a lot of women on here who like your thinking. And there are just as many who don't. And that's all fine and dandy.
In this day and age being evolved has a lot more to do with live and let live.
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I guess ive seen too much and have gotten into fights with too many hipsters I guess. Im not a fan of them, it offends people when I say I dont but I dont like people in my face telling me what I should eat, drink, wear, and that I need to join a cause. I had to leave Austin or go to jail for kicking someone *kitten*.
Those hipsters talk crap about people all the time, the difference is they dont do it to their faces. When im in a bar, let me drink my beer and eat hot wings in peace. Why go to bars to read a book and drink water and try to tell others to not drink beers that are not local or gluten free? People think im a jerk, you to Austin and be different and see how that goes.
They lack manners, rude, and def no southern hospitality. I saw this alot there, a elderly woman would come in a place and no one would offer her a seat. People are so quick to defend them but what good do they really do? If I could find a nice one and accepting of who I am, I would be friends with him or her. I do say that I am sorry, im not very sensitive nor PC, I tend to speak my mind and that offends people I guess but guess what, I am not going to change.
As for my friends, they need to get some balls and stop putting up with that crap. Man or woman, no one needs crap.0 -
Honestly: Do you think there's a masculinity crisis in America? Are more men allowing women to dominate relationships?
Does a woman dominating a relationship really mean that the man is any less masculine? Hardly. Maybe your definition of masculinity differs from mine, which is okay, but in my opinion, relationships should be 50/50. I do think the traits associated with being a gentleman are lacking though.0 -
This entire topic is ludicrous. It's like the women's movement never happened.
*headdesk*
Someone call me when this website moves out of the 1950's.
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After reading a guys post from yesterday "needing advice not related to fitness" I I would say yes. This was a 30 yr old man asking for advice on how to get himself to love again and how he doesn't know if he'll ever find it again.
I wanted to pull his man card............yes there is a masculinity crisis! Grow a pair and start acting like men again. Sweep a woman off her feet...........treat her like a queen............and reap the rewards!!! There's a few details to work in the middle too but c'mon guy's!!!!
Didn't read the whole thread, but yeah, I like being swept off my feet! I can take care of myself quite well, doesn't mean I always want to. I prefer men to be men.0 -
Honestly: Do you think there's a masculinity crisis in America? Are more men allowing women to dominate relationships?
Does a woman dominating a relationship really mean that the man is any less masculine? Hardly. Maybe your definition of masculinity differs from mine, which is okay, but in my opinion, relationships should be 50/50. I do think the traits associated with being a gentleman are lacking though.
ya it really does. Allowing yourself to be dominated at all is not masculine.
Why is it considered 50/50 if the woman is dominating the relationship. That's not 50/500 -
Honestly: Do you think there's a masculinity crisis in America? Are more men allowing women to dominate relationships?
No. I think women have worn the pants in the past, people just weren't so open about it.
love it. i agree! hehe.
No in all seriousness I think that it's just not as rare to see a woman dominating the relationship.
Ideally NEITHER party would dominate and there would be an equality and mutuality in all relationships where both parties are invested and have an equal say in how things are handled in the relationship--i think that's what we are lacking!0 -
Honestly: Do you think there's a masculinity crisis in America? Are more men allowing women to dominate relationships?
Does a woman dominating a relationship really mean that the man is any less masculine? Hardly. Maybe your definition of masculinity differs from mine, which is okay, but in my opinion, relationships should be 50/50. I do think the traits associated with being a gentleman are lacking though.
ya it really does. Allowing yourself to be dominated at all is not masculine.
Why is it considered 50/50 if the woman is dominating the relationship. That's not 50/50
I don't think that anyone should dominate over someone else... I said in my opinion, they should be 50/50, not that women should dominate...0 -
It's not that you're not being PC that's the problem. The problem is that you're making sweeping generalizations about a group of people based on what they look like. That's not cool. Jerks come in all shapes and sizes; they're everywhere, all over the planet. You shouldn't judge and hate people you don't know just because they look or act differently than you do.I guess ive seen too much and have gotten into fights with too many hipsters I guess. Im not a fan of them, it offends people when I say I dont but I dont like people in my face telling me what I should eat, drink, wear, and that I need to join a cause. I had to leave Austin or go to jail for kicking someone *kitten*.
Those hipsters talk crap about people all the time, the difference is they dont do it to their faces. When im in a bar, let me drink my beer and eat hot wings in peace. Why go to bars to read a book and drink water and try to tell others to not drink beers that are not local or gluten free? People think im a jerk, you to Austin and be different and see how that goes.
They lack manners, rude, and def no southern hospitality. I saw this alot there, a elderly woman would come in a place and no one would offer her a seat. People are so quick to defend them but what good do they really do? If I could find a nice one and accepting of who I am, I would be friends with him or her. I do say that I am sorry, im not very sensitive nor PC, I tend to speak my mind and that offends people I guess but guess what, I am not going to change.0 -
I always quite liked Austin. I imagine you'll calm down when you get a little older.0
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This entire topic is ludicrous. It's like the women's movement never happened.
*headdesk*
Someone call me when this website moves out of the 1950's.
Lol :drinker: sometimes I think the 50's were more progressive.0 -
Agreed, which is why a woman dominating the relationship is not right just as much as a man domintating it isn't right.Honestly: Do you think there's a masculinity crisis in America? Are more men allowing women to dominate relationships?
Does a woman dominating a relationship really mean that the man is any less masculine? Hardly. Maybe your definition of masculinity differs from mine, which is okay, but in my opinion, relationships should be 50/50. I do think the traits associated with being a gentleman are lacking though.
ya it really does. Allowing yourself to be dominated at all is not masculine.
Why is it considered 50/50 if the woman is dominating the relationship. That's not 50/50
I don't think that anyone should dominate over someone else... I said in my opinion, they should be 50/50, not that women should dominate...
And you are right about the gentlemen thing. I can't believe how so many women I dated looked at me in disbelief when I opened a car door for them.0 -
Im not sure if I could even touch this but what the heck. I think equality has been an issue since the beginning of mankind. We as males feel dominant and feel like we are in control of everything in our world. Women may see this early on and refuse to accept this type of thinking so that is why you see control conflicts in relationship. She tells me not to do this but he tells her not to wear this. He wants this in the house, and she doesn't want it and it becomes more of a hostile battle in between both sexes. Women have been subjected to be nothing more than baby making machines for so long but times have changed. Is not a crisis at all but something that was bound to happen.0
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I don't think its so much that men are allowing women to dominate them, its more a situation where men are putting themselves in a position that requires a women to dominate. Someone has to take charge of things at times and if a man can't do it then what choice would a women have?0
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It's not that you're not being PC that's the problem. The problem is that you're making sweeping generalizations about a group of people based on what they look like. That's not cool. Jerks come in all shapes and sizes; they're everywhere, all over the planet. You shouldn't judge and hate people you don't know just because they look or act differently than you do.I guess ive seen too much and have gotten into fights with too many hipsters I guess. Im not a fan of them, it offends people when I say I dont but I dont like people in my face telling me what I should eat, drink, wear, and that I need to join a cause. I had to leave Austin or go to jail for kicking someone *kitten*.
Those hipsters talk crap about people all the time, the difference is they dont do it to their faces. When im in a bar, let me drink my beer and eat hot wings in peace. Why go to bars to read a book and drink water and try to tell others to not drink beers that are not local or gluten free? People think im a jerk, you to Austin and be different and see how that goes.
They lack manners, rude, and def no southern hospitality. I saw this alot there, a elderly woman would come in a place and no one would offer her a seat. People are so quick to defend them but what good do they really do? If I could find a nice one and accepting of who I am, I would be friends with him or her. I do say that I am sorry, im not very sensitive nor PC, I tend to speak my mind and that offends people I guess but guess what, I am not going to change.
They do it too. I dont base it just how they look, im base it on how they act and what they say. I dont care personally how someone dresses but I do care is they are a D bag and say rude crap to me and my friends. Ill tell you something, im very open to others, I have all kinds of friends but not hipsters, I tried to make friends with them when I was in Austin but they are just rude and think they are better than everyone so yeah, I dont like them.
I have chubby friends and dont get me started how hipsters treated them. Its ok to be different but dont think for a minute that you are better than others because you are different. If I want to take my food home in plastic or a paper bag, its my business and right. If I want to shop at walmart, I have that right. If I dont want to just go to a great place to hike and just read a book, i have the right to actually hike. I never quested them or attacked them until they attacked me. I hate rude people and not once did I meet a nice hipster so Im sorry I dont like them.
Guess what? Most people dont like them either, ask the country and Hispanic community in Austin, they got pushed out of the city because of these jerks. They cause more segregation with their ideology and pushing their beliefs on others. I actually agree with alot of what they think, its their attitudes that ruin it. They are not as holy as you think they are.0 -
Did get a chance to read the whole thing but I'll admit I'm not a fan of the stereotypical hipster type. There are tons of them in nyc and every single hipster that I have rented to has always given me a hard time. I could be biased though.0
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Equality between men and women is often perceived by people as being balanced in the woman's favour. Often what men see as equal is not really for women. I guess it is a patriarchy/sexism thing. I am a man and I still see that.0
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Wow.... I'm not sure what sort of 'hipsters' you have in the USA but here in Australia hipsters are just kids who have a certain hair cut and listen to certain types of music
You make 'em sound like gansters or cultists 'forcing their beliefs on people' and forcing peopleout of neighbourhoods. Are you sure you're not taking their skinny jeans a bit too seriously?0
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