pregnant smokers
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Why is that ignorant? It's the truth? It's not illegal for her to smoke while she's pregnant.Her body. Her baby. Her business.
This is one of the most ignorant posts i've seen on MFP
Being from Dublin you must be well versed in US law0 -
She didn't say it's ok, she said it's not your business.This is one of the most ignorant posts i've seen on MFP
A person isn't "ignorant" just because you disagree
I don't think anyone one without a mental disorder would think it's okay for someone to harm their baby unless they were very stupid or ignorant.
I gave her the benefit of the doubt0 -
Why is that ignorant? It's the truth? It's not illegal for her to smoke while she's pregnant.Her body. Her baby. Her business.
This is one of the most ignorant posts i've seen on MFP
Being from Dublin you must be well versed in US law
Who cares? It's a true statement.0 -
This is one of the most ignorant posts i've seen on MFP
A person isn't "ignorant" just because you disagree
I don't think anyone one without a mental disorder would think it's okay for someone to harm their baby unless they were very stupid or ignorant.
I gave her the benefit of the doubt
Had you read any further down you would see she never said it was OKAY. What she is saying it that it isn't YOUR business (or the OPs in this case) to tell that mother what she can and can't do
Had you0 -
She didn't say it's ok, she said it's not your business.This is one of the most ignorant posts i've seen on MFP
A person isn't "ignorant" just because you disagree
I don't think anyone one without a mental disorder would think it's okay for someone to harm their baby unless they were very stupid or ignorant.
I gave her the benefit of the doubt
So if you saw someone harming their child, would you ignore it because it is not your business?0 -
Go get her. She is an idiot.0
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She knows what she's doing. It's her choice.
"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." ~ Voltaire
Agreed. Maybe she's just a really big fan of Mad Men? Jk. Seriously though, walk a mile in her shoes.0 -
Harming a child is different than causing potential harm to a fetus. Seriously, what good do you think it would do to say something to this woman?
She didn't say it's ok, she said it's not your business.This is one of the most ignorant posts i've seen on MFP
A person isn't "ignorant" just because you disagree
I don't think anyone one without a mental disorder would think it's okay for someone to harm their baby unless they were very stupid or ignorant.
I gave her the benefit of the doubt
So if you saw someone harming their child, would you ignore it because it is not your business?0 -
Maybe she's having an abortion tomorrow.
Maybe she just had a miscarriage.
Maybe she hasn't smoked since she got pregnant, but today was a horrible day and she figured a single cigarette would be ok.
Maybe her doctor advised her that quitting would be too stressful.
Maybe she's tried desperately to quit.
Maybe she isn't even pregnant. She could be fat. She could have given birth months ago and never lost her belly.
No matter what, it's not your problem. What do you think, you're going to walk up and tell her smoking is bad for her baby, and she'll be shocked and stop immediately? She knows and she made her decision.
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What does where I live have to do with the fact that the statement you called ignorant is true? It's no one's business what she does with her body. If she wants to have an abortion then she can.
Why is that ignorant? It's the truth? It's not illegal for her to smoke while she's pregnant.Her body. Her baby. Her business.
This is one of the most ignorant posts i've seen on MFP
Being from Dublin you must be well versed in US law0 -
There are some doctors that recommend heavy smokers that are pregnant NOT quit, especially if it is a high-risk pregnancy. The effects of nicotine withdrawal could be too much for the fetus to handle and she could lose the baby.
Just something to think about.
I've heard this same thing, that a woman misscarried some 3-4 times as a result from the stress and withdrawls of trying to quit smoking.
Finally, she just scaled it back a bit when she got pregnant again, and carried a healthy baby to term.
I also have a close friend who smoked through her whole pregnancy with her 3rd child while her husband was deployed. I had the pleasure of watching her perfectly healthy baby when she was about 5wks old.
This is ONLY true in the first three months as your risk of miscarriage greatly decreases after the 1st trimester, personally i believe anyone can quit and if you dont for your child your selfish and your parenting skills are quickly already beig demistrated with your lack of self control. I quit smoking three months into my pregnancy for my CHILD when your pregnant its no long JUST your body its an incubator for another life..my opinion.0 -
Smoking is a personal choice. I don't hate on smokers, unless they're rude about their habit. Rude is not giving people a choice about breathing a cloud of gross-smelling, stinky, choking air. Most of my friends who smoke are not rude about it. They go outside. If I feel like talking to them is more interesting than not breathing smoke, I go join them. If I've had enough of the white tar clouds, I don't.
If you smoke by a building entrance, you're not giving people entering and leaving a choice about breathing your white tar cloud.
My mother was a very heavy smoker (she does the e-vapor cig thing now) and she used to get very defensive when I'd INVOLUNTARILY cough because I COULD NOT BREATHE PROPERLY in her tar cloud. I'm like, look, you can't complain I don't visit and then get mad when I do because I can't breathe in your house. You might not notice how terrible your habit smells or how stifling that cloud is because you breathe it everyday, but believe me, it is a real nuisance for people who aren't breathing it all the time.
I swear, if I ever develop a farting disease, I'm going to stand right next to the rudest smoker I know, ALL the time. Just for some perspective!0 -
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What does where I live have to do with the fact that the statement you called ignorant is true? It's no one's business what she does with her body. If she wants to have an abortion then she can.
NO OFFENSE but since WHEN does a man have the right to talk about abortion...? You have no idea what your even speaking about truly and you never EVER will understand it thats just biology.0 -
He's stating a fact.NO OFFENSE but since WHEN does a man have the right to talk about abortion...? You have no idea what your even speaking about truly and you never EVER will understand it thats just biology..
And if men have no right to talk about abortion, you have no right to say that everyone is capable of quitting smoking.0 -
He's stating a fact.NO OFFENSE but since WHEN does a man have the right to talk about abortion...? You have no idea what your even speaking about truly and you never EVER will understand it thats just biology..
And if men have no right to talk about abortion, you have no right to say that everyone is capable of quitting smoking.
Thats an ignorant statement he cant get Pregnant i can smoke if i want to lol next time use an actual comparison NO offense.0 -
What does where I live have to do with the fact that the statement you called ignorant is true? It's no one's business what she does with her body. If she wants to have an abortion then she can.
NO OFFENSE but since WHEN does a man have the right to talk about abortion...? You have no idea what your even speaking about truly and you never EVER will understand it thats just biology.
Calm down. He's just stating fact. The fact is, she can have an abortion and she can choose to smoke, drink, use nail polish, use zit cream, etc while pregnant. There are a lot of things that may impact the health of the baby while pregnant. Very few pregnant women agree with every single thing. Some continue to have their hair colored. Some continue to drink. Some continue to eat nitrates. What are you going to do, hunt every one of them down?
What she does is her business and only her business.0 -
Why do people always tag "no offense" on things they say that they are pretty sure will cause offense? Do they think it's a magic phrase that will make people not be offended?
...no offense.0 -
I tell people off for smoking on our Smoke-Free campus all the time, pregnant or not. Usually gets me the finger.0
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The comparison is that some people have addictions that make it nearly impossible to quit. You don't have that addiction so you don't know what you're talking about and you should shut up. No offense.
He's stating a fact.NO OFFENSE but since WHEN does a man have the right to talk about abortion...? You have no idea what your even speaking about truly and you never EVER will understand it thats just biology..
And if men have no right to talk about abortion, you have no right to say that everyone is capable of quitting smoking.
Thats an ignorant statement he cant get Pregnant i can smoke if i want to lol next time use an actual comparison NO offense.0 -
Her body. Her baby. Her business.
I don't usually comment on forums but I just saw your replies...I have a friend (loosely speaking) that smoked during her last two pregnancies. Bother children are deaf as a result. Yes it was her business to quit but how do you think she now feels knowing that her smoking took away her child's hearing?
Just saying.
she must not feel that bad seeing how she continued to smoke during her second pregnancy.0 -
I tell people off for smoking on our Smoke-Free campus all the time, pregnant or not. Usually gets me the finger.
The universal sign for "thanks for the helpful information, I promise to change my ways"0 -
Her body. Her baby. Her business.
This is one of the most ignorant posts i've seen on MFP
I don't agree with what she's doing, but a stranger approaching her in a parking lot, as I stated already in this thread, is not likely to change her mind.
It's a fact that no one has the ability to change the fetus' lot in life, apart from the pregnant woman. You have judged me harshly and unfairly, simply because I am being pragmatic about this situation.0 -
What does where I live have to do with the fact that the statement you called ignorant is true? It's no one's business what she does with her body. If she wants to have an abortion then she can.
NO OFFENSE but since WHEN does a man have the right to talk about abortion...? You have no idea what your even speaking about truly and you never EVER will understand it thats just biology.
Calm down. He's just stating fact. The fact is, she can have an abortion and she can choose to smoke, drink, use nail polish, use zit cream, etc while pregnant. There are a lot of things that may impact the health of the baby while pregnant. Very few pregnant women agree with every single thing. Some continue to have their hair colored. Some continue to drink. Some continue to eat nitrates. What are you going to do, hunt every one of them down?
What she does is her business and only her business.
This i can understand, if only we werent so tolerant as humans maybe then we could hunt them all down lol jk seriously though its just MY opinion about it pregnant smokers in my eyes are a bit selfish i think the same about abortion however lets not debate that touchy subject as there are exceptions.0 -
He's stating a fact.NO OFFENSE but since WHEN does a man have the right to talk about abortion...? You have no idea what your even speaking about truly and you never EVER will understand it thats just biology..
And if men have no right to talk about abortion, you have no right to say that everyone is capable of quitting smoking.
Thats an ignorant statement he cant get Pregnant i can smoke if i want to lol next time use an actual comparison NO offense.
No offense, but... is never a good way to start a sentence.
And fathers are not merely sperm donors. Surely abortion can indeed also affect a man as can fatherhood.0 -
I tell people off for smoking on our Smoke-Free campus all the time, pregnant or not. Usually gets me the finger.
The universal sign for "thanks for the helpful information, I promise to change my ways"
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If you don't know her then I'd say leave it alone.
If she's a friend of yours, I suggest you gently let her know that by choosing to continue smoking during her pregnancy, she's choosing her love of cigarettes over the love of her child. And when the kid gets old enough to realize that, it's probably going to have negative consequences on their relationship.
It's not a subject I'd get into with strangers but since we're all friends here I figure you all can handle it.
There's no law that says you have to love your child, but if you do love your child, you don't smoke during your pregnancy. Period.0 -
Harming a child is different than causing potential harm to a fetus. Seriously, what good do you think it would do to say something to this woman?
So if you saw someone harming their child, would you ignore it because it is not your business?
Besides, I'm pretty sure it's actually okay to kill a fetus. So why wouldn't it be okay to potentially cause harm to one? You have no proof harm is actually being done.
We should lock up anyone who has an abortion... they have actually caused harm to their fetus.
This thread is ridiculous.0 -
He's stating a fact.NO OFFENSE but since WHEN does a man have the right to talk about abortion...? You have no idea what your even speaking about truly and you never EVER will understand it thats just biology..
And if men have no right to talk about abortion, you have no right to say that everyone is capable of quitting smoking.
Thats an ignorant statement he cant get Pregnant i can smoke if i want to lol next time use an actual comparison NO offense.
No offense, but... is never a good way to start a sentence.
And fathers are not merely sperm donors. Surely abortion can indeed also affect a man as can fatherhood.
I didnt say you couldnt be effected as a man but surely you u derstand the basics of biology...im sorry but anyone who can not concieve will not understand abortion or labor or even periods for that matter its a fact. No offense is a warning if you wish to read it and take offense i will not apologise however if u read it and choose not to take offense and have an opinion thats logic
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My job is a family support worker for teen moms and I am constantly going round and round with my pregnant smoking moms or smoking around their kids moms.
It's true, a lot of the babies came out just fine after a smoking pregnancy... but have coughs now due to second hand smoke. Then again, I have a handful of babies that have medical problems (not only due to just smoking, but it didn't help).
BUT.... what bothers me WAY WAY WAY WAY more than that, is parents complaining about not having money for formula or diapers but somehow find means of buying a pack of cigs a day. AND THEN smoke around their kids.
Point is... sacrifices need to be made for the health/well-being/care of children, and not everyone does that.0
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