As if There Weren't Enough Reasons to go Vegan

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  • MacSkillz
    MacSkillz Posts: 417 Member
    In reasons *not* to go vegan: Bacon.

    I rest my case.

    She said it best.
  • glonigan
    glonigan Posts: 82
    I am happy for people who find a eating plan that works for them, even Vegans. I just disagree with the premise of it based on the dental records of mankind. As others have stated, we were designed to eat meat and have all of the parts to do so and digest it properly.
  • meggonkgonk
    meggonkgonk Posts: 2,066 Member
    In reasons *not* to go vegan: Bacon.

    I rest my case.

    You can get loads of really good vegan bacon and ham. I don't like it because it smells so much like the real thing during cooking!

    Ok, one, I was kidding around. I mean I do like bacon, and I will not stop eating meat, but I understand that it's because I want to.

    And two, I don't just eat meat because it's tasty, though it is. I eat meat because it makes me feel at my best. Not bacon, really, but lean meats especially and a decent portion of red meat make me feel at my best and most energized. Do I agree that there are better ways to raise and harvest meat? Absolutely I do. But do I think veganism is the solution? Absolutely not. My body was made for processing meat, and I see nothing wrong with consuming it from a 'moral' stand point.

    Three, please don't ever say vegan bacon again. That's very nearly against my bacon religion. :laugh:
  • redraidergirl2009
    redraidergirl2009 Posts: 2,560 Member
    Not sure why people think it's funny or cute to reply with "I love meat" I mean really who cares? It's your own body, put what you want into it for all I care, just don't start crying that you can't lose weight or get sick as a result of it.

    Many people are seeking vegan diets now for health reasons so that's how this is relevant. Can you be unhealthy and vegan, of course. But if done properly it can be a very healthy diet which can lower risks of certain diseases as even the ADA says.
  • kater8er
    kater8er Posts: 364 Member
    Without debating whether it's good/better/best to be vegan, that study is seriously flawed. Always think critically when someone extrapolates their results and makes sweeping, broad conclusions that have nothing to do with the actual data collected.

    Problems just in reading your blurb:

    1) Mice are not humans
    2) Mice are naturally herbivores
    3) They were fed the chemical....doesn't say how much
    4) Just being fed a chemical..of course it's going to suck for them
    5) Who was the study funded by? ALWAYS ask this question...
  • Glasgow_Vegan
    Glasgow_Vegan Posts: 209 Member
    I haven't come across a single good reason for going vegan.

    Here's one: More meat for the rest of us! :bigsmile:

    Doesn't knowing you've lead to the death and sometimes torture of hundreds if not thousands of animals make you feel bad?

    Doesn't it bother you that you've contributed to the death of thousands of innocent fruits and vegetables that were doing nothing other than minding their own business and growing happily in the sun?

    You know very well that fruit and vegetables are inanimate. It's a rights issue just like racism or homophobia. In the future people will look back on meat eating in the same way we now view the slave trade.
  • Not even a little bit. We are meant to eat meat!! Does the lion feel bad for eating the gazelle? Hell even the grizzly bear last week for eating the human? The answer is no, therefore I don't either.

    That's a really bad argument. Just because a wild animal does one thing doesn't mean we should follow its example just because we're animals too, otherwise using this argument we could justify rape.Try again.
  • meggonkgonk
    meggonkgonk Posts: 2,066 Member
    during my "vegetarian" phase (which thank GOD only lasted 15 days), i tried several different "bacons" not a single one of them tasted like or had the texture of the real stuff. the ONLY meat sub i found that was remotely similar was the "chicken" patties.

    FYI - Turkey bacon is actually not too bad for sandwiches or salads or things where it's not the main feature. :flowerforyou:
  • BAMFMeredith
    BAMFMeredith Posts: 2,810 Member
    There aren't enough reasons to make me consider going vegan. I don't care what anybody else eats, unless you're into eating human babies, which I'm definitely not cool with. But you know what I mean.

    Humans are omnivores by nature. Our pointed canines aren't like that arbitrarily. My dog would kill a bird and probably eat part of it (of course after dragging it in to show it to me), does that make her "cruel"? No, it makes her a dog. Just as me putting my canines to use makes me a human who chooses to eat meat. Being mindful of where your meat and dairy products come from is always a good idea, just like knowing if your strawberries are covered in pesticide or not.
  • You know very well that fruit and vegetables are inanimate.

    Not always.
  • meggonkgonk
    meggonkgonk Posts: 2,066 Member
    I haven't come across a single good reason for going vegan.

    Here's one: More meat for the rest of us! :bigsmile:

    Doesn't knowing you've lead to the death and sometimes torture of hundreds if not thousands of animals make you feel bad?

    Doesn't it bother you that you've contributed to the death of thousands of innocent fruits and vegetables that were doing nothing other than minding their own business and growing happily in the sun?

    You know very well that fruit and vegetables are inanimate. It's a rights issue just like racism or homophobia. In the future people will look back on meat eating in the same way we now view the slave trade.

    Seriously? How about we focus on actual rights issues, with actual sentient people. Then we can debate the level of cognizance of cows and chicken.
  • redraidergirl2009
    redraidergirl2009 Posts: 2,560 Member
    I haven't come across a single good reason for going vegan.

    Not even animal welfare, the environment or health benefits?

    how is eating cheese from farm raise cattle abusive to cattle or the environment? i understand avoiding consuming an animal product that was produced by inhumane methods, but that doesn't require one to go vegan.

    and i actually believe that it is not in health's best interest to go vegan.

    Why do you believe it's not in "health's best interest to go vegan"?
  • beckajw
    beckajw Posts: 1,728 Member
    Thank God I'm not a mouse!
  • Glasgow_Vegan
    Glasgow_Vegan Posts: 209 Member
    LOL! Mice are not built to digest meat compounds so yes they will have adverse reactions. Humans are built to eat meat and veggies and grains. Meat does not in itself cause weight gain. It is an excellent source of many of the compounds we need to function properly. We have survived on a variety of foods for millions of years and this silly vegan business has only been around for a blink in human history. To my knowledge there is not one lifelong vegan over 100 yrs old and there are hundreds of us omnivores who make it to ripe old ages.

    That's only because veganism hasn't existed as a movement for that long. "This silly vegan business" - Would you say Christianity etc. was silly, because it's about ethics and similar to a religion. You shouldn't be so ignorant.
  • jenillawafer
    jenillawafer Posts: 426 Member
    Hm.. hope that the mice being exposed to the meat diet don't turn into ravenous carnivores and devour a scientist's finger clean off.
  • thistimeismytime
    thistimeismytime Posts: 711 Member
    Animal testing to prove a vegan diet?

    lol

    Nice catch :laugh:
  • hiker359
    hiker359 Posts: 577 Member
    during my "vegetarian" phase (which thank GOD only lasted 15 days), i tried several different "bacons" not a single one of them tasted like or had the texture of the real stuff. the ONLY meat sub i found that was remotely similar was the "chicken" patties.

    FYI - Turkey bacon is actually not too bad for sandwiches or salads or things where it's not the main feature. :flowerforyou:

    Turkey bacon vs real bacon is like *kitten* vs actual sex. Sure, the prior will provide some satisfaction, but why settle when you can have the real thing?
  • bizco
    bizco Posts: 1,949 Member
    I'm not a mouse.

    Kill it and grill it.
  • trackercasey76
    trackercasey76 Posts: 781 Member
    Not even a little bit. We are meant to eat meat!! Does the lion feel bad for eating the gazelle? Hell even the grizzly bear last week for eating the human? The answer is no, therefore I don't either.

    That's a really bad argument. Just because a wild animal does one thing doesn't mean we should follow its example just because we're animals too, otherwise using this argument we could justify rape.Try again.

    My point is that humans are predators, just like the lion, the bear,etc. I hunt and kill several animals every year to feed my family and do not feel bad in the slightest. It is what we as a race have evolved in to.
  • meggonkgonk
    meggonkgonk Posts: 2,066 Member
    That's only because veganism hasn't existed as a movement for that long. "This silly vegan business" - Would you say Christianity etc. was silly, because it's about ethics and similar to a religion. You shouldn't be so ignorant.
    Christians were persecuted and killed before gaining mainstream acceptance. I don't think getting flamed on an internet message board is *quite* the same.

    But to put it in the same terms, you probably wouldn't take kindly to me espousing heavy Christian ideals on here as the only morally righteous way to live.
  • urfitnesspal2
    urfitnesspal2 Posts: 62 Member
    Are you guys adults or am I mistaken? The "debate" in here seems a lot like trash-talking. How about be realistic for a minute and actually state your thoughts as opposed to saying things like "bacon" or "no I don't feel bad killing animals" because that's bull****, unless you're legitimately a sociopath.

    I'm not vegan, nor do I really care to be. I just find it insane that adults can get so high school in a matter of seconds when someone brings up veganism.

    OK... Serious response- I believe animals were CREATED by God to be food for people. I believe this because He tells us so in the book of Genesis and even more direction is given in the book of Acts. However, in my understanding, one does nothing WRONG by eating or not eating meat.

    Joke now. If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?... :laugh:
  • BAMFMeredith
    BAMFMeredith Posts: 2,810 Member
    I haven't come across a single good reason for going vegan.

    Here's one: More meat for the rest of us! :bigsmile:

    Doesn't knowing you've lead to the death and sometimes torture of hundreds if not thousands of animals make you feel bad?

    Doesn't it bother you that you've contributed to the death of thousands of innocent fruits and vegetables that were doing nothing other than minding their own business and growing happily in the sun?

    You know very well that fruit and vegetables are inanimate. It's a rights issue just like racism or homophobia. In the future people will look back on meat eating in the same way we now view the slave trade.

    You're joking right? African American friends and GLBT community members: tell me, do you think people eating meat is comparable to the injustices you've suffered?

    That sweet cuddly cat you're kissing in your profile pic? It would eat the *kitten* out of a mouse or a bird and not even think twice about it. Come on. YES--there is a problem in the way many large commercial farms treat the animals. I won't deny that. But the simple act of eating meat or slaughtering a pig/cow/chicken for consumption is NOT some civil injustice, it's the freaking food chain.
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member
    hmmm....I struggle to think of even one reason.......
  • RhonndaJ
    RhonndaJ Posts: 1,615 Member
    To respond to this seriously.

    Really, I'm not a mouse, and I believe research done on mice, particularly to prove that it's wrong for us to eat meat is just plain wrong, which gives me sincere doubts about the mindset of the researchers who thought this one up. Also, it's one study and that doesn't carry much validity, particularly when other factors are not weighed in upon.

    As to the Vegan issue. Again, if someone chooses that way of life, I don't have a problem with it. I simply can not justify it for myself, and this is coming from an animal lover.

    That said, I do understand that my mind set is twisted.

    I grew up on the periphery of farming, and therefore have the 'animals are food' mindset. Yet at the same time I wholeheartedly disapprove of hunting wild animals. Yes, I know this is not logical if the animal is used for food and is not purely hunted for trophy, this is why I would never advocate against hunting unless it was on my own property. I also choose not to eat game animals, but would never fault anyone else for doing so. Personal choice.

    When it comes to methods of slaughtering. There are two types. Humane and in humane. It is not within my control to be able to find out if the meat that I purchase is slaughtered humanely and frankly even if it was in my control, it wouldn't save the animals that are being inhumanely slaughtered.

    It comes down to this. I like cows. They're stupid as hell, but I like them as animals. I also happen to like beef. Rare.
    I feel bad when I think about animals that are treated inhumanely, but even with that peripheral connection to farming way back when, it's darned hard to equate a tortured cow with the piece of meat on my plate.

    Not particularly fussed about chickens in cages for laying eggs either. Chickens are a nuisance where I live, there's kind of a sweet revenge to having chicken.

    Someone will have to tell me why it's bad to eat cheese though. I've never quite understood that one.
  • SoDamnHungry
    SoDamnHungry Posts: 6,998 Member
    Animal testing to prove a vegan diet?

    lol

    Right on!
  • triciab79
    triciab79 Posts: 1,713 Member
    I haven't come across a single good reason for going vegan.

    Here's one: More meat for the rest of us! :bigsmile:

    Doesn't knowing you've led to the death and sometimes torture of hundreds if not thousands of animals make you feel bad?

    Innocent? I have yet to see one animal that has never eaten another living thing. Even cows consume dozens of insects. This is natural order. We eat to live. As for the animals, most of the ones we eat would not exist at all if we were not raising them for food. Cows, sheep, and chickens cannot survive without us now, pigs do just fine but they would ruin the ecosystem of any area they were released to so unless you would like to see thousands of speicies go extinct you will let me go on eating meat .
  • whiteheaddg
    whiteheaddg Posts: 325 Member
    You know very well that fruit and vegetables are inanimate. It's a rights issue just like racism or homophobia. In the future people will look back on meat eating in the same way we now view the slave trade.

    Whoa!!! Your arguments have now crossed into the "crazy" zone. I'll buy that some folks are more sensitive than others to the plight of the farm animal, but attributing this to the same atrocities that humans have visited onto other humans is a no-win argument.
  • christimw
    christimw Posts: 183 Member


    Turkey bacon vs real bacon is like *kitten* vs actual sex. Sure, the prior will provide some satisfaction, but why settle when you can have the real thing?

    haha! so true!
  • RedHeadDevotchka
    RedHeadDevotchka Posts: 1,394 Member
    Meat is murder













    Tasty, tasty murder
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