As if There Weren't Enough Reasons to go Vegan
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during my "vegetarian" phase (which thank GOD only lasted 15 days), i tried several different "bacons" not a single one of them tasted like or had the texture of the real stuff. the ONLY meat sub i found that was remotely similar was the "chicken" patties.
FYI - Turkey bacon is actually not too bad for sandwiches or salads or things where it's not the main feature. :flowerforyou:
Turkey bacon vs real bacon is like *kitten* vs actual sex. Sure, the prior will provide some satisfaction, but why settle when you can have the real thing?
Turkey bacon provides more satisfaction then bacon for me.0 -
just fired up the grill0
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I haven't come across a single good reason for going vegan.
Not even animal welfare, the environment or health benefits?
how is eating cheese from farm raise cattle abusive to cattle or the environment? i understand avoiding consuming an animal product that was produced by inhumane methods, but that doesn't require one to go vegan.
and i actually believe that it is not in health's best interest to go vegan.
Lets start with cheese. To produce milk (used in cheese) cattle are required to be pregnant every year. The calves are separated from the mother within a few days usually. The male calves are then killed and sold as veal, or raised to produce meat. Dairy cows often suffer from a variety of health problems due to being pregnant so often. Not all cows are free range. Many are kept indoors and fed artificial chemicals. For example, in Kentucky cows are genuinely being feed candy because corn and hay are too expensive.
What makes you think it isn't healthy?
here's an idea... eat free range! and what about fish? eggs? hunting? there are SO many holes in the "reasons" for going vegan its ridiculous.0 -
I haven't come across a single good reason for going vegan.
Here's one: More meat for the rest of us! :bigsmile:
Doesn't knowing you've lead to the death and sometimes torture of hundreds if not thousands of animals make you feel bad?
Doesn't it bother you that you've contributed to the death of thousands of innocent fruits and vegetables that were doing nothing other than minding their own business and growing happily in the sun?
You know very well that fruit and vegetables are inanimate. It's a rights issue just like racism or homophobia. In the future people will look back on meat eating in the same way we now view the slave trade.
Wow. Just... wow.
Just...0 -
That's funny. I read this as "Just don't grill the meat." Fry it instead?0
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You know very well that fruit and vegetables are inanimate. It's a rights issue just like racism or homophobia. In the future people will look back on meat eating in the same way we now view the slave trade.You're joking right? African American friends and GLBT community members: tell me, do you think people eating meat is comparable to the injustices you've suffered?
Yep. That is pretty offensive. And clueless.0 -
Not even a little bit. We are meant to eat meat!! Does the lion feel bad for eating the gazelle? Hell even the grizzly bear last week for eating the human? The answer is no, therefore I don't either.
That's a really bad argument. Just because a wild animal does one thing doesn't mean we should follow its example just because we're animals too, otherwise using this argument we could justify rape.Try again.
My point is that humans are predators, just like the lion, the bear,etc. I hunt and kill several animals every year to feed my family and do not feel bad in the slightest. It is what we as a race have evolved in to.
I thought your original point was that humans are above animals? Then you compare yourself to a lion. Fact: humans have free will therefore although we are capable of evil acts (for example eating meat, having the teeth capable of doing this) we have the choice not to. That's what makes us different from animals.0 -
I haven't come across a single good reason for going vegan.
Not even animal welfare, the environment or health benefits?
how is eating cheese from farm raise cattle abusive to cattle or the environment? i understand avoiding consuming an animal product that was produced by inhumane methods, but that doesn't require one to go vegan.
and i actually believe that it is not in health's best interest to go vegan.
Lets start with cheese. To produce milk (used in cheese) cattle are required to be pregnant every year. The calves are separated from the mother within a few days usually. The male calves are then killed and sold as veal, or raised to produce meat. Dairy cows often suffer from a variety of health problems due to being pregnant so often. Not all cows are free range. Many are kept indoors and fed artificial chemicals. For example, in Kentucky cows are genuinely being feed candy because corn and hay are too expensive.
What makes you think it isn't healthy?
here's an idea... eat free range! and what about fish? eggs? hunting? there are SO many holes in the "reasons" for going vegan its ridiculous.
free range only means animals aren't stuffed in a crate, they still have very little space and very poor living conditions.0 -
Some of you are so cruel as to say that you don't care for animal welfare.0
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during my "vegetarian" phase (which thank GOD only lasted 15 days), i tried several different "bacons" not a single one of them tasted like or had the texture of the real stuff. the ONLY meat sub i found that was remotely similar was the "chicken" patties.
FYI - Turkey bacon is actually not too bad for sandwiches or salads or things where it's not the main feature. :flowerforyou:
Turkey bacon vs real bacon is like *kitten* vs actual sex. Sure, the prior will provide some satisfaction, but why settle when you can have the real thing?
Turkey bacon provides more satisfaction then bacon for me.
Whatever gets you off. *smirks*0 -
I'm pretty sure all meat eaters are just as bad as Hilter. In the future, we'll be seen just like that.
Reductio ad Hitlerum in an attempt to end the silliness.0 -
My point is that humans are predators, just like the lion, the bear,etc.
The difference is that we can choose to be predators or not, lions and bears don't have this luxury. I still don't see why we shouldn't feel bad about it because other animals do it.
I personally don't feel too bad about it because animals don't have the capacity to feel the same way about being slaughtered as we do.0 -
I have Points on my teeth, Claws, Forward facing eyes, and ears on the side of my head. I am By definition a predator!!
I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to eat tofurkey.0 -
Not even a little bit. We are meant to eat meat!! Does the lion feel bad for eating the gazelle? Hell even the grizzly bear last week for eating the human? The answer is no, therefore I don't either.
That's a really bad argument. Just because a wild animal does one thing doesn't mean we should follow its example just because we're animals too, otherwise using this argument we could justify rape.Try again.
My point is that humans are predators, just like the lion, the bear,etc. I hunt and kill several animals every year to feed my family and do not feel bad in the slightest. It is what we as a race have evolved in to.
I thought your original point was that humans are above animals? Then you compare yourself to a lion. Fact: humans have free will therefore although we are capable of evil acts (for example eating meat, having the teeth capable of doing this) we have the choice not to. That's what makes us different from animals.
"Evil acts"=eating meat?
I was gonna say something, but then decided.....you know what, you go ahead and think I'm evil.0 -
I'm pretty sure all meat eaters are just as bad as Hilter. In the future, we'll be seen just like that.
Reductio ad Hitlerum in an attempt to end the silliness.
Hitler was a vegetarian, I believe.0 -
I'm pretty sure all meat eaters are just as bad as Hilter. In the future, we'll be seen just like that.
Reductio ad Hitlerum in an attempt to end the silliness.
Hitler was a vegetarian, I believe.
It's official then...I'm WORSE than Hitler!0 -
My question is to what extent are vegans relying on chemically-altered, oil-based "meat" and "cheese" substitutes, which seems to me to be defeating the purpose, both psychologically and nutritionally?
If being vegan means eating plenty of whole foods without subsisting on fake substitutes and supplements, then I say go for it. Especially if you've also given up leather and wool...0 -
I'm pretty sure all meat eaters are just as bad as Hilter. In the future, we'll be seen just like that.
Reductio ad Hitlerum in an attempt to end the silliness.
Hitler was a vegetarian, I believe.
It's official then...I'm WORSE than Hitler!
Do you drink? If so, I'm starting to think you're the great Satan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_vegetarianism0 -
Some of you are so cruel as to say that you don't care for animal welfare.
Oh we care for it. We just think animals have a higher purpose than just manure producers (at least in the case of cows). In order for something to live, something else has to die. The human body needs protein in order to live and animals just happen to be an excellent source of that protein. How convenient, eh?
In most cases, we don't slaughter innocent animals (unless they're creepy like spiders or mosquitos...how does a vegan justify that, I wonder) just for the sake of the slaughter, but so that we can live. There is nothing cruel about that. It's just a part of life.0 -
Some of you are so cruel as to say that you don't care for animal welfare.
Oh we care for it. We just think animals have a higher purpose than just manure producers (at least in the case of cows). In order for something to live, something else has to die. The human body needs protein in order to live and animals just happen to be an excellent source of that protein. How convenient, eh?
In most cases, we don't slaughter innocent animals (unless they're creepy like spiders or mosquitos...how does a vegan justify that, I wonder) just for the sake of the slaughter, but so that we can live. There is nothing cruel about that. It's just a part of life.
Yeeeeppppp!!:drinker:0 -
My question is to what extent are vegans relying on chemically-altered, oil-based "meat" and "cheese" substitutes, which seems to me to be defeating the purpose, both psychologically and nutritionally?
If being vegan means eating plenty of whole foods without subsisting on fake substitutes and supplements, then I say go for it. Especially if you've also given up leather and wool...
Some vegans do rely on these products, especially during their transition but some after that don't after a time and others always do. Personally I do not use the vegan cheese often because it's high in fat like regular cheese and I just don't have much of a taste for it anymore. But I think their point is that they can have many foods like before but no one had to suffer for it if that makes sense.0 -
I'm pretty sure all meat eaters are just as bad as Hilter. In the future, we'll be seen just like that.
Reductio ad Hitlerum in an attempt to end the silliness.
Hitler was a vegetarian, I believe.
It's official then...I'm WORSE than Hitler!
Do you drink? If so, I'm starting to think you're the great Satan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_vegetarianism
Sadly, I've become a teetotaler in my old age. Sorry to fall short of the mark. :-)0 -
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I'm pretty sure all meat eaters are just as bad as Hilter. In the future, we'll be seen just like that.
Reductio ad Hitlerum in an attempt to end the silliness.
Hitler was a vegetarian, I believe.
It's official then...I'm WORSE than Hitler!
Do you drink? If so, I'm starting to think you're the great Satan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_vegetarianism
Sadly, I've become a teetotaler in my old age. Sorry to fall short of the mark. :-)
Yeah, I'd like to, but microbrew beer and wine is just so GOOD.
Hey, that's vegan, right? :bigsmile: Ok, I'ma shut up now. Everyone carry on with whatever diet you like and whatever works for you. :flowerforyou:0 -
Some of you are so cruel as to say that you don't care for animal welfare.
Oh we care for it. We just think animals have a higher purpose than just manure producers (at least in the case of cows). In order for something to live, something else has to die. The human body needs protein in order to live and animals just happen to be an excellent source of that protein. How convenient, eh?
In most cases, we don't slaughter innocent animals (unless they're creepy like spiders or mosquitos...how does a vegan justify that, I wonder) just for the sake of the slaughter, but so that we can live. There is nothing cruel about that. It's just a part of life.
Spiders and mosquitoes are not animals duhhhh hahahaha :laugh:
but they are fun to smash but I am doing it for the lesser bugs that could not kill and eat those kinds of insects or arachnids etc....:flowerforyou: Its always who know you on the top of the food chain to pull the lesser some strings for them from time to time... lol 0 -
I am not vegan. I am a ovo-lacto pescetarian vegetarian by necessity (I eat eggs, milk products, fish and vegetables)
I choose not to eat meat because I have medical issues processing Uric Acid. I choose not to suffer from seriously debilitating gout (trust me you don't want it either). That being said... I do miss me some bacon wrapped beef tenderloin. :laugh:
Lastly, I'd like to thank everyone who does eat meat... without all your hard work, all of the cows and pigs would reproduce unchecked and soon outnumber us. There would be no food left. Chaos would prevail. Thank you. :laugh:0 -
I have Points on my teeth, Claws, Forward facing eyes, and ears on the side of my head. I am By definition a predator!!
I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to eat tofurkey.
Dude, you didn't fight your way up any food chain.0 -
but so that we can live.
We don't need meat to live.0 -
Hitler wasn't vegetarian lol google it0
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Prefer venison steak myself :happy:
P.s im available for testing should they decide to use human guinea pigs0
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