"It doesn't matter what you eat, IIFYM."
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this doesn't work for me. i find that if i eat in the IIFYM style, i have a tendency to overeat and blow my macros. if i eat a lot of non-complex carbs (chips, white rice, pasta, cookies), i just end up wanting more and more and more. then it turns into a carb binge.
i'm much better off mentally and physically eating whole foods. i love me some doritos but one chip leads to a whole bag! so i try not to go there. even at the end of the day, when i have like 600 calories left, i still avoid the crappy junk food. but thank goodness i have an ice cream maker and make my own ice cream full of good stuff and indulge in that instead.0 -
Yes I know athletes can indulge more often than Johnny trying to lose 40 lbs.. In fact a good marathon runner friend of mine eats donuts like they are going out of style but he uses them for energy.. I would love to be in that position..
What I am saying is, I do not think it is feasible to eat lower nutrient food like say a big mac and fast food specifically as long as it fits in your macros and get the results you want out of weight loss..
If you are in the process of losing weight and you eat a cheese burger for dinner and it fits in your metrics for the day can you do it ? Sure .. But ultimately it will slow your results down as opposed to eating lean chicken breast and some steamed broccoli for the same meal time...
Not to mention as some one previously said the slope you will be walking on if you are trying to steer your life style on a more healthier path...
That being said if you have reached your goals in size, physically, and in performance you want out of your body you can be more prone to eat fast food lower nutrient dense food etc etc.. and be fine.. Just don't make a habit of it.
I love chicken and I love broccoli, but who the hell wants to eat the same thing every day?
No one and I don't but its an example.0 -
At the end of the day if your cals and macros were the exact same, but one diet you had a cheese burger for dinner and the other you had chicken and veggies for dinner, what difference would there be in weight loss?
Do you think that you would feel the same overall from eating diet of cheeseburgers as you would if you only had chicken and veggies? Calories being equal?
Calories and macros? Am I eating only cheeseburgers and only chicken and veggies, or am I also eating other foods?
Your pick.
I feel pretty awesome killing a 3/4 to 1 lb burger, same as if I eat a box of pasta or 10 danishes. You prob picked the wrong person to ask that question to
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I'll have to disagree here. I eat fast food at least 2 times a week as a full meal. The consistent thing is that on those days, I do have to burn a few more calories (I kickbox hard those days) to comp. Been doing this for years and my weight fluctuation stays within 5lbs-10lbs (when I'm not bulking/cutting).Yes I know athletes can indulge more often than Johnny trying to lose 40 lbs.. In fact a good marathon runner friend of mine eats donuts like they are going out of style but he uses them for energy.. I would love to be in that position..
What I am saying is, I do not think it is feasible to eat lower nutrient food like say a big mac and fast food specifically as long as it fits in your macros and get the results you want out of weight loss..
If you are in the process of losing weight and you eat a cheese burger for dinner and it fits in your metrics for the day can you do it ? Sure .. But ultimately it will slow your results down as opposed to eating lean chicken breast and some steamed broccoli for the same meal time...
Not to mention as some one previously said the slope you will be walking on if you are trying to steer your life style on a more healthier path...
That being said if you have reached your goals in size, physically, and in performance you want out of your body you can be more prone to eat fast food lower nutrient dense food etc etc.. and be fine.. Just don't make a habit of it.
The body only knows how to absorb whatever it's supplied. Some there think that eating honey is better than eating a spoonful of sugar, but the body breaks that down and absorbs both EXACTLY the same way. It's the macro/micronutrient content that's different.
If your food sources MEET your daily macros/micros, your body can't tell if you got it from a burger or organic meat.
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Who cares what OP said? Did I quote you responding to OP?
How do you not understand the difference between being healthy/feeling good, and weight loss?
At the end of the day if your cals and macros were the exact same, but one diet you had a cheese burger for dinner and the other you had chicken and veggies for dinner, what difference would there be in weight loss?
Do you think that you would feel the same overall from eating diet of cheeseburgers as you would if you only had chicken and veggies? Calories being equal?
Absolutely!
Are you following this thread?
The op feels gross after doing it the former way.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/post/by_user/22300987
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I think that it matters what you eat. If you eat mcdonald's everyday and are still under your calorie limit, you're going to gain weight form all the fats and preservatives. "
BINGO!!!
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Acg67, you pose a very good question .. and honestly I am still in the process of wrapping my head around that ..
But I think its more than just numbers....
Lets take Johnny weight loss who still needs to drop 40 pounds.. However he decides to have a big mac for dinner and lets assume this big mac fits with in his metrics for the day all in cals, protein fat and carbs..
He eats it for lunch and goes back to work ..
Then you have sally who is also in the same position but ate the chicken and broccoli for lunch ..
At the end of the day Johnny and Sally both are going to work out after work today ..
Johnny who ate the big mac while in the nutritional information fits his daily metrics doesn't account for all the other crap that is in said burger and a whole bunch of names I can't pronounce leave him feeling sluggish and slow... he skips his work out.
While sally on the other hand has eaten lean protein low fat good carb rich food goes along in her day and has a good workout..
Further more Johnny has to eat a cracker for dinner because he would blow his metrics out other wise.. Sally enjoys more of the same for dinner ( yeah some satire there )
As I previously said yeah in the numbers they fit, but does that mean its good for your body over all ? Probably not.. could you presumably fit (generalizing here ) fast food in your diet weekly yes as long as it fits in the numbers... But I think what is being over looked in is a whole host of other factors that I am not smart enough toi really scratch the surface on but know enough to know they are present that play on the body and will effect you in the long run than some one who strictly ate clean .. But physically and mentally.
My advise is if you are where you want to be and have walked the path and are educated, you can make informed choices and eat ( again generalizing ) fast food and be able to move on with out to much issue.. However the majority of those on here that are trying to lose weight and are fighting that daily struggle I think is bad advice to give out..
The most important part of a diet and for those trying to lose weight is adherence. If it helps someone stick to their diet by eating chocolate, ice cream, fast food on a daily or weekly basis, then go for it. Should they try to eat mostly whole, nutrient dense foods? Sure, but fitting in something they like to eat, isn't going to be overly detrimental.
And healthwise, you will find blood markers of health generally improve with weight loss regardless of composition of their diet0 -
I think it differs slightly for everyone. I lose best and feel best if I exrcise between dinner and bedtime, with no snacking after exercize (unless I am dizzy-famished).
If I only 'eat less' I don't seem to lose the weight like if I exercise too, even keeping the same deficit.
I also have to eat more often, the lots of small meals way. It works for me.
Too much dairy and breads just makes my gut feel heavy and me feel sluggish.
My philosophy is "Try it one way, if it doesn't work, try something different."0 -
Acg67, you pose a very good question .. and honestly I am still in the process of wrapping my head around that ..
But I think its more than just numbers....
Lets take Johnny weight loss who still needs to drop 40 pounds.. However he decides to have a big mac for dinner and lets assume this big mac fits with in his metrics for the day all in cals, protein fat and carbs..
He eats it for lunch and goes back to work ..
Then you have sally who is also in the same position but ate the chicken and broccoli for lunch ..
At the end of the day Johnny and Sally both are going to work out after work today ..
Johnny who ate the big mac while in the nutritional information fits his daily metrics doesn't account for all the other crap that is in said burger and a whole bunch of names I can't pronounce leave him feeling sluggish and slow... he skips his work out.
While sally on the other hand has eaten lean protein low fat good carb rich food goes along in her day and has a good workout..
Further more Johnny has to eat a cracker for dinner because he would blow his metrics out other wise.. Sally enjoys more of the same for dinner ( yeah some satire there )
As I previously said yeah in the numbers they fit, but does that mean its good for your body over all ? Probably not.. could you presumably fit (generalizing here ) fast food in your diet weekly yes as long as it fits in the numbers... But I think what is being over looked in is a whole host of other factors that I am not smart enough toi really scratch the surface on but know enough to know they are present that play on the body and will effect you in the long run than some one who strictly ate clean .. But physically and mentally.
My advise is if you are where you want to be and have walked the path and are educated, you can make informed choices and eat ( again generalizing ) fast food and be able to move on with out to much issue.. However the majority of those on here that are trying to lose weight and are fighting that daily struggle I think is bad advice to give out..
You are missing the point of the entire topic. The topic is about IIFYM which pertains to losing fat by eating anything you want and fitting the food into your daily calorie deficit and protein/fat macro consumption. Both of the above users in your story will both lose weight and burn fat if they are eating a deficit at the end of the day/week. Period.
Whether or not the person who ate chicken vs mcdonalds is healthier is subjective..plain and simple. There are too many other factors pertaining to health that need to be considered. Just because you eat McDonalds doesn't mean you are at risk of CVD and CHD.0 -
At the end of the day if your cals and macros were the exact same, but one diet you had a cheese burger for dinner and the other you had chicken and veggies for dinner, what difference would there be in weight loss?
Do you think that you would feel the same overall from eating diet of cheeseburgers as you would if you only had chicken and veggies? Calories being equal?
Calories and macros? Am I eating only cheeseburgers and only chicken and veggies, or am I also eating other foods?
Your pick.
I feel pretty awesome killing a 3/4 to 1 lb burger, same as if I eat a box of pasta or 10 danishes. You prob picked the wrong person to ask that question to
Riiiight. LOL!
Not lying, I don't notice any real difference in how I feel, if I eat a ton of "unclean' foods vs eating more "clean" foods. I eat a monster burger every week, and don't feel any different then when I eat a bunch of chicken and veggies0 -
IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU EAT. IF YOU ARE IN A DEFICIT YOU WILL LOSE WEIGHT VIA BURNING FAT. PERIOD.
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Not everyone who has a Big Mac feels like *kitten* after and won't work out. What if in your example, they both workout in the morning. Now where does that leave you?Acg67, you pose a very good question .. and honestly I am still in the process of wrapping my head around that ..
But I think its more than just numbers....
Lets take Johnny weight loss who still needs to drop 40 pounds.. However he decides to have a big mac for dinner and lets assume this big mac fits with in his metrics for the day all in cals, protein fat and carbs..
He eats it for lunch and goes back to work ..
Then you have sally who is also in the same position but ate the chicken and broccoli for lunch ..
At the end of the day Johnny and Sally both are going to work out after work today ..
Johnny who ate the big mac while in the nutritional information fits his daily metrics doesn't account for all the other crap that is in said burger and a whole bunch of names I can't pronounce leave him feeling sluggish and slow... he skips his work out.
While sally on the other hand has eaten lean protein low fat good carb rich food goes along in her day and has a good workout..
Further more Johnny has to eat a cracker for dinner because he would blow his metrics out other wise.. Sally enjoys more of the same for dinner ( yeah some satire there )
As I previously said yeah in the numbers they fit, but does that mean its good for your body over all ? Probably not.. could you presumably fit (generalizing here ) fast food in your diet weekly yes as long as it fits in the numbers... But I think what is being over looked in is a whole host of other factors that I am not smart enough toi really scratch the surface on but know enough to know they are present that play on the body and will effect you in the long run than some one who strictly ate clean .. But physically and mentally.
My advise is if you are where you want to be and have walked the path and are educated, you can make informed choices and eat ( again generalizing ) fast food and be able to move on with out to much issue.. However the majority of those on here that are trying to lose weight and are fighting that daily struggle I think is bad advice to give out..0 -
While I agree that it can be a terrible way to eat health wise, I am proof you can lose weight eating whatever as long as it is in your limit. I lost 112lbs eating 1200 cal a day for a year and some of those days were very little food and lots of alcohol on party days, some of them were nothing but rice cakes, some had chocolate or bacon or "bad" foods, but I stayed in my calorie limit.
That being said, I also lost lots of my hair from malnutrition as I didn't get enough vitamins and I quickly regained 87lbs when I stopped being strict on my calories combined with a weight gain inducing medication.0 -
Should we apply a bit of real life here and not all theory
My maintain is about 2750. I work out my calories carefully and precisely
If I eat well, chicken etc at those calories my weight stays the same but I look relatively toned and well
If I eat crap and buscuits I stay the same weight but I get a saggy gut and feel flabby.
A calorie is a calorie - but is you want to look good the macros have to be right
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Why do people constantly chose to miss the point on these posts ... Carry on eating rubbish if you don't want to maximise your potential... fine for you but if you are trying to achieve please don't listen0 -
That's subjective. How someone feels depends on stimulus too. For instance I could eat the same exact food one day and train by myself, then another day instruct a class and feel more "amped" up. Why? Because it's a group training and I have to be "up" more to create motivation.
At the end of the day if your cals and macros were the exact same, but one diet you had a cheese burger for dinner and the other you had chicken and veggies for dinner, what difference would there be in weight loss?
Do you think that you would feel the same overall from eating diet of cheeseburgers as you would if you only had chicken and veggies? Calories being equal?
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Should we apply a bit of real life here and not all theory
My maintain is about 2750. I work out my calories carefully and precisely
If I eat well, chicken etc at those calories my weight stays the same but I look relatively toned and well
If I eat crap and buscuits I stay the same weight but I get a saggy gut and feel flabby.
A calorie is a calorie - but is you want to look good the macros have to be right
Ummm...what?0 -
IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU EAT. IF YOU ARE IN A DEFICIT YOU WILL LOSE WEIGHT VIA BURNING FAT. PERIOD.
Not of optimal health.0 -
IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU EAT. IF YOU ARE IN A DEFICIT YOU WILL LOSE WEIGHT VIA BURNING FAT. PERIOD.
Not of optimal health.
So what is "optimal health"? Eating carrots?0 -
So you either ate less, or worked out more to lose actual tissue weight. Or your sodium was probably reduced, which is what I'm assuming since you ate your meals.In my experience, it definitely does matter. For my first 50 pounds lost, I ate the same every day, Weight Watchers meals, low cal noodles, etc. Then I suddenly stopped losing.. So this week I tried something different, fruit smoothies in the morning, homemade chicken and vegetable soup for lunch, chicken and a plate of veg for dinner, fruit smoothie in the evening, and plenty of water. I have lost over 5 pounds this week alone..
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This argument never gets solved.
For anyone looking to figure out the truth here's one thing you can try. Check out the stats of the people posting on each side of the argument. It's usually a good way to know who's full of S and who isn't. That's what I always do.0 -
This argument never gets solved.
For anyone looking to figure out the truth here's one thing you can try. Check out the stats of the people posting on each side of the argument. It's usually a good way to know who's full of S and who isn't. That's what I always do.
Bah. These people won't F'ing listen.0 -
This argument never gets solved.
For anyone looking to figure out the truth here's one thing you can try. Check out the stats of the people posting on each side of the argument. It's usually a good way to know who's full of S and who isn't. That's what I always do.
Bah. These people won't F'ing listen.
They really should. Listening to guys like you, Niner and ACG got me where I am.
And I got to eat ice cream!0 -
I'm a "if it fits your macros" kind of person.
If I'm getting several servings of fruit & veg, hitting reasonably close to my protein & fat goals, and still have room for a cupcake or a mojito... I'm going to have a cupcake or a mojito. Or a cupcake AND a mojito. :drinker:
My goals are 50% carb, 25% fat, 25% protein. So far this week, I'm at 48%, 26% and 26%.0 -
It's Not true for ME. If I stay within my macros and calories, but eat doritos as part of my carbs, as I don't lose weight. If I do it and eat brown rice instead, I generally do.
So, for me it does matter. For others it might not. Everyone is different.0 -
I think it works as long as what you are eating doesn't make you feel disgusting! I eat pretty much whatever I want in moderation, but occasionally a few things make me feel bloated or give me a stomach ache and if that's the case I will try to avoid them in the future.0
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IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU EAT. IF YOU ARE IN A DEFICIT YOU WILL LOSE WEIGHT VIA BURNING FAT. PERIOD.
Not of optimal health.
So what is "optimal health"? Eating carrots?
x-ray vision and the gift of flight, I thought that everyone knew that.
See what you miss out on when you don't eat 100% clean?0 -
This argument never gets solved.
For anyone looking to figure out the truth here's one thing you can try. Check out the stats of the people posting on each side of the argument. It's usually a good way to know who's full of S and who isn't. That's what I always do.
IF that stats listed here told the whole story, that might work. If this site included the 80 lbs I lost before coming here. Just sayin'.0 -
This argument never gets solved.
For anyone looking to figure out the truth here's one thing you can try. Check out the stats of the people posting on each side of the argument. It's usually a good way to know who's full of S and who isn't. That's what I always do.
Bah. These people won't F'ing listen.
They really should. Listening to guys like you, Niner and ACG got me where I am.
And I got to eat ice cream!
:drinker:
There is always room for ice cream in any diet0 -
This whole thread is subjective, and I don't think I am missing the point. I completely understand the body doesn't know the difference in terms of what you put it.. It processes what you put in regardless. Its up to you to use your mind and make right choices when making food choices. There is so much more that goes into that Big mac that is not included in your metrics that plays a row in the human body, these things need to be accounted for.
I understand that if you eat at a deficit you will loose weight.. Its all numbers and focusing purely on the numbers is not what gets you from 300lbs 170lbs..
You have to look at the big picture... There is so much more than the numbers that goes in to be successful at weight loss and I think those who are fit and are looked at as examples for those who are trying to get fit are being irresponsible for condoning this method.
By the numbers it works.. I can admit that, but it is totally inadvisable in my opinion..
Now to answer the whole what if they worked out int he morning... Since Johnny only at a cracker for dinner he wakes up ravenous eats the left over oreoes in his pantry works out and has a big mac again for lunch totally pushing his numbers to the max... Because he is REALLY hungry at dinner time he decides to forget this and gives up....... Poor johnny ..0 -
I'm a "if it fits your macros" kind of person.
If I'm getting several servings of fruit & veg, hitting reasonably close to my protein & fat goals, and still have room for a cupcake or a mojito... I'm going to have a cupcake or a mojito. Or a cupcake AND a mojito. :drinker:
My goals are 50% carb, 25% fat, 25% protein. So far this week, I'm at 48%, 26% and 26%.
^Another one with phenomenal results and solid advice for people. AND she eats half a pizza every week!
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