"It doesn't matter what you eat, IIFYM."
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"If doesn't matter what you eat, as long as it fits your macros, is in your calorie limit, etc". (and assuming you are getting your nutrients somehow) -- You will still lose weight.
Do you think this is true?
Although I was within my caloric range and preset macros, I feel disgusting after three waffles last night. Is this a product of the syrup not digesting well, a lack of nutrients, or the subconscious notion that bad food makes you fat, no matter how little of it you eat?
Just wanted to know your opinions on this idea as I hear it a lot around the boards.
What you eat doesn't matter for weight loss.
What you eat does matter for how you feel.0 -
It's Not true for ME. If I stay within my macros and calories, but eat doritos as part of my carbs, as I don't lose weight. If I do it and eat brown rice instead, I generally do.
So, for me it does matter. For others it might not. Everyone is different.
You have PCOS or some kind of other disorder?0 -
I recently ran across a book by Gary Taubes called "Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science of Diet and Health." Check it out for the scientific reasoning behind this topic.0
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While I agree that it can be a terrible way to eat health wise, I am proof you can lose weight eating whatever as long as it is in your limit. I lost 112lbs eating 1200 cal a day for a year and some of those days were very little food and lots of alcohol on party days, some of them were nothing but rice cakes, some had chocolate or bacon or "bad" foods, but I stayed in my calorie limit.
That being said, I also lost lots of my hair from malnutrition as I didn't get enough vitamins and I quickly regained 87lbs when I stopped being strict on my calories combined with a weight gain inducing medication.
How does getting enough protein and not too many carbs or fat and staying under your calories amount to "a terrible way to eat?"0 -
This whole thread is subjective, and I don't think I am missing the point. I completely understand the body doesn't know the difference in terms of what you put it.. It processes what you put in regardless. Its up to you to use your mind and make right choices when making food choices. There is so much more that goes into that Big mac that is not included in your metrics that plays a row in the human body, these things need to be accounted for.
I understand that if you eat at a deficit you will loose weight.. Its all numbers and focusing purely on the numbers is not what gets you from 300lbs 170lbs..
You have to look at the big picture... There is so much more than the numbers that goes in to be successful at weight loss and I think those who are fit and are looked at as examples for those who are trying to get fit are being irresponsible for condoning this method.
By the numbers it works.. I can admit that, but it is totally inadvisable in my opinion..
Now to answer the whole what if they worked out int he morning... Since Johnny only at a cracker for dinner he wakes up ravenous eats the left over oreoes in his pantry works out and has a big mac again for lunch totally pushing his numbers to the max... Because he is REALLY hungry at dinner time he decides to forget this and gives up....... Poor johnny ..
Inadvisable for who?0 -
How about, any posts from hereon out have to start with "From my personal experience, __________"0
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I'd like to hear how the laws of thermodynamics gets trumped here. Weight gain (actual fat) when calorie surplus isn't met is HIGHLY unlikely and practically impossible.I think that it matters what you eat. If you eat mcdonald's everyday and are still under your calorie limit, you're going to gain weight form all the fats and preservatives. "You can't outrun a bad diet."
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So you either ate less, or worked out more to lose actual tissue weight. Or your sodium was probably reduced, which is what I'm assuming since you ate your meals.In my experience, it definitely does matter. For my first 50 pounds lost, I ate the same every day, Weight Watchers meals, low cal noodles, etc. Then I suddenly stopped losing.. So this week I tried something different, fruit smoothies in the morning, homemade chicken and vegetable soup for lunch, chicken and a plate of veg for dinner, fruit smoothie in the evening, and plenty of water. I have lost over 5 pounds this week alone..
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I don't ever work out. And I haven't been eating less, just cleaner0 -
This argument never gets solved.
For anyone looking to figure out the truth here's one thing you can try. Check out the stats of the people posting on each side of the argument. It's usually a good way to know who's full of S and who isn't. That's what I always do.
Bah. These people won't F'ing listen.
They really should. Listening to guys like you, Niner and ACG got me where I am.
And I got to eat ice cream!
:drinker:
There is always room for ice cream in any diet
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So you either ate less, or worked out more to lose actual tissue weight. Or your sodium was probably reduced, which is what I'm assuming since you ate your meals.In my experience, it definitely does matter. For my first 50 pounds lost, I ate the same every day, Weight Watchers meals, low cal noodles, etc. Then I suddenly stopped losing.. So this week I tried something different, fruit smoothies in the morning, homemade chicken and vegetable soup for lunch, chicken and a plate of veg for dinner, fruit smoothie in the evening, and plenty of water. I have lost over 5 pounds this week alone..
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I don't ever work out. And I haven't been eating less, just cleaner
Cleaner = Less calories = Calorie deficit under TDEE = losing weight. If you track the same with just any type of food, the result is the same.0 -
Nope. In the beginning when I started, that was true...then my body got used to eating good things and I could only lose weight if I ate really clean. I'm the same way now, which is why I'm avoiding certain foods because I actually want to lose weight!! lol I will still allow myself a treat, but not until I get back into my routine of eating very healthy and working out. :happy:
When you eat within your calories or macros, you can still be missing nutrients. There's no perfect way to eat all your carbs, hit your protein goal, eat enough fiber, etc. It's going to vary, but as long as you keep working at it... eat whole grains for your carbs and eat lots of protein, fruit & veggies, you should be okay. Limit the bad stuff but don't completely eliminate it, or it will be very hard to resist it since you haven't had it in a while. Then when you eat it, you might not even care for it anymore! :happy:0 -
In my experience, it definitely does matter. For my first 50 pounds lost, I ate the same every day, Weight Watchers meals, low cal noodles, etc. Then I suddenly stopped losing.. So this week I tried something different, fruit smoothies in the morning, homemade chicken and vegetable soup for lunch, chicken and a plate of veg for dinner, fruit smoothie in the evening, and plenty of water. I have lost over 5 pounds this week alone..
Your body just got used to what you were eating. Just like working out, your body adjusts to your diet. You have to mix things up once in a while. That's all you did. You gave your system a "wake up." It doesn't make a difference what you eat.0 -
Um sodium does matter. That's a micronutrient. Over exceed it and water retention happens. Counter with more water and potassium for the correct ratio.It's Not true for ME. If I stay within my macros and calories, but eat doritos as part of my carbs, as I don't lose weight. If I do it and eat brown rice instead, I generally do.
So, for me it does matter. For others it might not. Everyone is different.
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I follow IIFYM. Or I did. I'm not currently tracking.0
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I know for a fact that throwing the "clean food" concept more or less out the window and going IIFYM has worked just fine for me. Carbs, fats, and proteins are carbs, fats, and proteins so far as anything I've read can prove. I have continued to lean out and get stronger.0
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Should we apply a bit of real life here and not all theory
My maintain is about 2750. I work out my calories carefully and precisely
If I eat well, chicken etc at those calories my weight stays the same but I look relatively toned and well
If I eat crap and buscuits I stay the same weight but I get a saggy gut and feel flabby.
A calorie is a calorie - but is you want to look good the macros have to be right
Ummm...what?
Maybe I'm not quite getting your point.
If you are saying you can eat whatever you want as long as the calories are right then bottom line is I don't agree with you0 -
Now to answer the whole what if they worked out int he morning... Since Johnny only at a cracker for dinner he wakes up ravenous eats the left over oreoes in his pantry works out and has a big mac again for lunch totally pushing his numbers to the max... Because he is REALLY hungry at dinner time he decides to forget this and gives up....... Poor johnny ..
Those are different foods than initially stated, and that combination probably would not fit into his macros. The whole 'moderation' piece is missing from your argument.
This would be more moderate - Johnny wakes up to do his workout - he has a banana before because he is hungry. After his workout, he has a beautiful egg omelette with cheese, veggies, and a bowl of oatmeal. For lunch he has a big mac and fries. Since his carbs are getting too high for his macros, he drinks tea instead of soda. For dinner he has chicken, veggies and brown rice. After looking at his portions and macros for the day, he works in an evening snack. Tonight he chooses ice cream. All within calories, balanced macros and a good balance of micros. What is wrong with that picture?0 -
You will still lose weight, as long as you stay under your caloric goals, but that doesn't mean you'll be healthy/feel good if you have crappy food.0
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Yes I do, I still eat "junk" once a week, I still eat chocolate, pizza, burgers and fries and that other crap and I've lost almost 50lbs and STILL losing weight, it's all a matter of moderation.0
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Am I the only one who initially read "IIFYM" as "If It Fits in Your Mouth?" Because I like that better.0
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Should we apply a bit of real life here and not all theory
My maintain is about 2750. I work out my calories carefully and precisely
If I eat well, chicken etc at those calories my weight stays the same but I look relatively toned and well
If I eat crap and buscuits I stay the same weight but I get a saggy gut and feel flabby.
A calorie is a calorie - but is you want to look good the macros have to be right
Ummm...what?
Maybe I'm not quite getting your point.
If you are saying you can eat whatever you want as long as the calories are right then bottom line is I don't agree with you
Cause you're misinformed about nutrition and dieting.0 -
It doesn't work for me
Clean eating & severely restricting alcohol is the only thing that seems to help me shed weight. 0 -
You will still lose weight, as long as you stay under your caloric goals, but that doesn't mean you'll be healthy/feel good if you have crappy food.
Subjective. You're speaking for millions of people now regarding whether or not they'll "feel good" or "be healthy"?0 -
IIFYM is a solid little tip to go by, IF YOU ARE JUST STARTING. As you get more into it, you do need to start picking better food to eat.
the kind of food you eat DOES have an impact in body composition
protein is not protein. some protein is soy, some is a isolate, etc. There are different kinds of protein, just like there are different kinds of fat and carbs
oats are really low on the GI scale, while eating a hamburger may be similar calorie wise, when it comes down to body composition you cant tell me they are the same
think about it as the gas in your car, sure unleaded is the cheapest and it still makes your car run, but you also have to realize that the next best gas may be a little more expensive but it also makes your car run better than unleaded does. hope that makes sense.
i have a public diary and pay really close attention to my nutrition as i am an aspiring bodybuilder who has dreams of competing in a bb show in the next 2-3 years. feel free to take a peak at my diary if you feel the need0 -
It doesn't work for me Clean eating & severely restricting alcohol is the only thing that seems to help me shed weight.
^^^This^^^0 -
Although I was within my caloric range and preset macros, I feel disgusting after three waffles last night. Is this a product of the syrup not digesting well, a lack of nutrients, or the subconscious notion that bad food makes you fat, no matter how little of it you eat?
Whatever your diet philosophy or the numbers you're tracking, if eating something (or a certain amount of something) makes you feel like crap, don't.
and then remind me of this rule next time my husband wants to get the double large specialty pizza deal.0 -
IIFYM is a solid little tip to go by, IF YOU ARE JUST STARTING. As you get more into it, you do need to start picking better food to eat.
the kind of food you eat DOES have an impact in body composition
protein is not protein. some protein is soy, some is a isolate, etc. There are different kinds of protein, just like there are different kinds of fat and carbs
oats are really low on the GI scale, while eating a hamburger may be similar calorie wise, when it comes down to body composition you cant tell me they are the same
think about it as the gas in your car, sure unleaded is the cheapest and it still makes your car run, but you also have to realize that the next best gas may be a little more expensive but it also makes your car run better than unleaded does. hope that makes sense.
i have a public diary and pay really close attention to my nutrition as i am an aspiring bodybuilder who has dreams of competing in a bb show in the next 2-3 years. feel free to take a peak at my diary if you feel the need
Good attempt bro, but a lot of your thinking is broscience.0 -
I'm a "if it fits your macros" kind of person.
If I'm getting several servings of fruit & veg, hitting reasonably close to my protein & fat goals, and still have room for a cupcake or a mojito... I'm going to have a cupcake or a mojito. Or a cupcake AND a mojito. :drinker:
My goals are 50% carb, 25% fat, 25% protein. So far this week, I'm at 48%, 26% and 26%.
^^^^^This is correct IIFYM. enough said.0 -
Irresponsible? Dude, I DO this for a living. I used to condone the "eat clean" only philosophy when I started. Did people lose weight? Yep. But guess what, 3 months later weight returned. So here I go again training them to do the same method over.............and over...............and over again.You have to look at the big picture... There is so much more than the numbers that goes in to be successful at weight loss and I think those who are fit and are looked at as examples for those who are trying to get fit are being irresponsible for condoning this method.
So why did they regain? Because the "diet" they were one left them feeling deprived of foods they liked. Now if I was a money grubbing personal trainer, then I would keep this philosophy because I would always be inundated with the same clientele.
My philosophy now (IIFYM) with clients "gets rid of them". Meaning they don't come back once they reach goal. Why? Because they DON'T regain and actual LEARNED how to eat what they want with control and moderation. Clients got what they paid for, live a better life and are HAPPIER with themselves for it. And they pass that on a successful to others they know. Please tell me how that's irresponsible?
The big picture is HEALTH is more than just about food.
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Irresponsible? Dude, I DO this for a living. I used to condone the "eat clean" only philosophy when I started. Did people lose weight? Yep. But guess what, 3 months later weight returned. So here I go again training them to do the same method over.............and over...............and over again.You have to look at the big picture... There is so much more than the numbers that goes in to be successful at weight loss and I think those who are fit and are looked at as examples for those who are trying to get fit are being irresponsible for condoning this method.
So why did they regain? Because the "diet" they were one left them feeling deprived of foods they liked. Now if I was a money grubbing personal trainer, then I would keep this philosophy because I would always be inundated with the same clientele.
My philosophy now (IIFYM) with clients "gets rid of them". Meaning they don't come back once they reach goal. Why? Because they DON'T regain and actual LEARNED how to eat what they want with control and moderation. Clients got what they paid for, live a better life and are HAPPIER with themselves for it. And they pass that on a successful to others they know. Please tell me how that's irresponsible?
The big picture is HEALTH is more than just about food.
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Been in fitness for 28+ years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
^^ Yes, this.0
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