Got really mad at the supermarket today
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Do we make the BEST choices? Probably not. Are we making BETTER choices than we did? ABSOLUTELY!!! I hope the mom and daughter find the motivation and education they need to make better choices for themselves also!
amen!! that is all that matters, I totally understand that convenience & budget play a role in what people feed their kids, but I strive for myself to eat 80% healthy with 20% for not so healthy choices. I would like to get better on that, but its a heck of a lot better than the 50/50 I was at a year ago. My husband is ESPECIALLY one for this. This is the man that made a taco "salad" with a pile of nacho doritos, a huge scoup of taco meat, a handful of cheese, huge gobs of sour cream and a sprinkle of taco sauce... and if I was looking he'd add a few bits of lettuce to the top. Now he starts with lettuce, then salsa then a ground turkey or chunks of chicken with taco seasoning with a sprinkle of cheese... he still eats it with a handful of nacho doritos but compared to the original? 1000% better! With my nephews, my sister in law SWORE that they would only drink sunny d... they drank oj and water every time they were at my house, I never even knew they preferred sunny d, they never mentioned it, never pointed it out at the store, never made a face at the oj we gave them. they drink water with no complaint.
I'm too lazy and too cheap to buy or make special "kids" meals, they eat what I'm eating or they get nothing. aside from the initial complaints with the quantity and variety of veggies, theres been no issues at all!0 -
I find that, since I know nothing about the individual next to me--nothing about their lifestyle, health history, the particular circumstances of that purchase, etc., etc, it is really unfair to jump to conclusions just based on physical appearance. I'm sure most of the people in this group who were (or are) struggling with their weight at some time or another really appreciated the looks of scorn and derision they received from the "grocery line police" every time they went to the store.
Me, I prefer to use my time in the grocery line more productively -- looking for hot MILFs buying healthy food, expensive wine and cheeses, and fantasizing that they would invite me home with them.0 -
I find that, since I know nothing about the individual next to me--nothing about their lifestyle, health history, the particular circumstances of that purchase, etc., etc, it is really unfair to jump to conclusions just based on physical appearance. I'm sure most of the people in this group who were (or are) struggling with their weight at some time or another really appreciated the looks of scorn and derision they received from the "grocery line police" every time they went to the store.
Well Said!!!! I loved it.0 -
I find that, since I know nothing about the individual next to me--nothing about their lifestyle, health history, the particular circumstances of that purchase, etc., etc, it is really unfair to jump to conclusions just based on physical appearance. I'm sure most of the people in this group who were (or are) struggling with their weight at some time or another really appreciated the looks of scorn and derision they received from the "grocery line police" every time they went to the store.
Me, I prefer to use my time in the grocery line more productively -- looking for hot MILFs buying healthy food, expensive wine and cheeses, and fantasizing that they would invite me home with them.
Well Said!!0 -
I would like to take a moment to commend all you moms who are making changes for the good in your babies lives!
I wish I had seen the light when my children were young. I wasn't a McD mom, but I did reward with cakes and icecreams.
I promise if you remove the chip bowl and put down fruit......eventually they WILL eat it!
God Bless!0 -
It's really easy to point out the crap in someone's back yard while overlooking our own. Just food for thought. ;P0
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It's really easy to point out the crap in someone's back yard while overlooking our own. Just food for thought. ;P
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i think you are being really judgemental. that is not a full cart of groceries for family for a day, let along a week. those could possibly be snacks or replenishing the pantry or for special occasions (like, i don't know, NEW YEAR'S EVE). you have no idea what this women has at home in the manner of fresh fruits or veggies, or what her child is eating.
dawn
spaghettiO's and mac and cheese for new years eve? What parties do you go to?
and besides, you can say that all you want, but this woman was obese, AND the child was obese. If it's hormonal or chemical, then that stuff probably shouldn't be anywhere near either of them, and if it's not, then there's just plain no excuse anyway.
and yeah, you're damn right I'm being judgmental, I make no excuse for that. Sorry, but I'm not one to be oblivious to situations. At some point you need to be aware of the environment you are in, or else the problems going on around you are your own fault as much as everyone else.
It sounds to me as if some of you don't have kids. So I would like to add that (I am a bad cook) I don't feed my kids super healthy. I don't feel I am the worst, but I do feel guilty that I don't serve a veggie every single night and I do give them more processed food than I should (frozen chicken nuggets on hard days, ect) and my 4 year old does not have ANY fat on her little body AT ALL. She is tight and trim and looks like a model (no boobs of course, but very fit)
The point I am trying to make is that kids need to do some hard core over eating of junk food, soda, fast food, ect to get to the point of being that over weight. It is not like us where you put a piece of candy in your mouth and your *kitten* grows 3 sizes. Most kids are active by nature, they can run and play for hours at a time take a 30 min power nap and start all over again. I feel that fast food for young kids is the problem. I have a co-worker that feeds her kids fast food at least once a day everyday, sometimes more. It is not like he saw this mom on a bad day. Easy is not best. As a single working mom though, I do have to say it is really hard doing healthy meals everyday, harder still when you don't have the time to cook. Giving the kids a chance to be active and running and playing with them is a must though!0 -
Anyone who has ever worked as a teacher in a poor community HAS to see what over processed, hormone pumped food does to a third grader. It may not cause obesity per se, but why do so many poor kids have overdeveloped, on the verge of obese, bodies? It's scary. I'm not insinuating this about any children of posters on this thread, but the above poster made me think. Not only does cheap, fast food have poor nutritional quality, but it is full of dangerous chemicals that wreak havoc on little ones. A 7 yr old should not be menstruating or have DDs. I've seen it working on the west side of Chicago, and it was not uncommon. In all fairness, we are human. We are flawed and certain flaws are more visible than others. We are all judgmental and it is easy to judge the junk food filled shopping cart as opposed to judging a functional, thin addict, for example, who hurts just as much when they are by themselves. I guess what I've learned after reading, and posting, that we are all in different stages of our own journey. Some will accomplish more, some less. It's still a journey.0
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hehe here is a little perspective.. I grew up in a super fit family! My parents are runners and they eat very very healthy food all the time. When we were kids treats were quite rare (like when my nana came to visit from England with goodies in her suitcase) and junkfood became an obsession for me. I used to sneak it every chance I got, obsessed about it, gorged on it at friend's houses, bought pop on my way home from school, etc. It is about BALANCE I think, teaching our kids how to eat healthy and how to indulge a little once and a while without guilt. My son knows that during football season he is allowed one night a week of fast food take out.. no football = no fast food. Or he can indulge after he is full of good food, eat an apple and a banana and then you can have 2 cookies instead of 5, etc. I have taught him moderation and the calories in/calories out equation but I certainly don't deny him goodies. I try to teach him the balance I never had. There are many reasons I am overweight but I know that binging on goodies was a 'secret' habit I learned early because we never got any of that stuff.
I also agree with the posters who have mentioned that poverty can contribute to bad eating habits. The dieticians in Canada put out a cost of eating report every year and there is a big difference between what is costs for a family to eat good healthy food and what a lot of low income folks have in their budget to spend!0 -
Anyone who has ever worked as a teacher in a poor community HAS to see what over processed, hormone pumped food does to a third grader. It may not cause obesity per se, but why do so many poor kids have overdeveloped, on the verge of obese, bodies? It's scary. I'm not insinuating this about any children of posters on this thread, but the above poster made me think. Not only does cheap, fast food have poor nutritional quality, but it is full of dangerous chemicals that wreak havoc on little ones. A 7 yr old should not be menstruating or have DDs. I've seen it working on the west side of Chicago, and it was not uncommon. In all fairness, we are human. We are flawed and certain flaws are more visible than others. We are all judgmental and it is easy to judge the junk food filled shopping cart as opposed to judging a functional, thin addict, for example, who hurts just as much when they are by themselves. I guess what I've learned after reading, and posting, that we are all in different stages of our own journey. Some will accomplish more, some less. It's still a journey.
That and growing research shows links between ADD/ADHD and Autism being fueled by poor diet consisting of namely processed carbohydrate-laden foods.
And, if this comes off harsh, I'm sorry, but it needs to be said:
I don't care if you're skinny or fat, eating junk and sugar on a regular basis still plays a roller coaster on your blood sugar no matter how young or old you are...unless you have a magically adapting BG level that barely spikes. It may not cause weight gain at a young age, nor at teenage years, but believe me, it catches up later in life. Why do you think the populations in Western nations are experiencing a considerable increase in T2 diabetes? Coincidence? Absolutely not. And it isn't just the heavy folk being diagnosed, oh no, it's for the thin folk, too.
Because kids "run it off" has little bearing on the fact you're still setting up a chemical dependency of bad food = good meal. I mean, sure, it's convenient, it's cheap for the most part, and your kids will scarf it down like rabid beasts, but is it really setting up good behavior? I often wonder if I have an easy time eating vegetables and "real foods" because my parents forced me to eat them or go hungry as a kid? (My demise, weight-wise, was usually the "EAT EVERYTHING OFF THE PLATE" mentality.)
If I had kids (and I don't and probably won't) I can't say I'd raise them any differently. Why cater to the "whim of the day" that kids play? I guarantee you they'll give up after a while and eat what you fix. I watch it all the time with my young relatives and young'ins I babysat and tutored back in the day. There's the "I won't eat that" drama that usually subsides when they realize A)Their parents (or I) could care less and B)Their parents don't have the time nor patience to fix another special meal. When their parents insist and reinforce the value of healthy eating, that's a double whammy. Set the good example and don't tolerate the drama tantrums...the kids eventually follow. It's cool to watch kids who were raised on junk foods try some healthy food and ENJOY it. I witnessed this with some kids I tutored in a low income area. It was really cool. See, there's really hope!
I also witness adults around me who can't stop eating junk food because it's the norm. Their parents fed it to them, they were taught "hey, it's okay - it's cheap and good!" It's the comfort food established early in life; it's what your taste buds are geared to eat. We've all probably experienced the addiction of bad foods at some point or another, so to kid yourself and say they "don't matter if you're skinny" is a little deluded, eh? Junk is junk no matter who is eating it, and it's quite addictive. And kudos to those who have the willpower to avoid it or eat it in strict moderation. You're doing yourself a HUGE favor.
And to sympathize with those who have little time to prepare meals, it's honestly just as easy to find convenient options that fit into a healthy lifestyle. $10 for 10 bags of frozen vegetables. Bagged salads, big bags of fruit (AKA nature's convenience food), frozen grilled chicken, Eggs, eggbeaters, Babybel cheeses, individually wrapped lean meats, baby carrots...I could go on for a while.0 -
I have to disagree with the idea that nutritious food costs the same as *junk* food.
I conducted an experiment this summer when we were having a big fish fry.
I went to Wal Mart and bought only the junk....chips, desserts, pop,etc....8 bags of groceries for $68 and I didn't bag the pop!
Went to Harris Teeter for the vegetables, fruit, fish, etc.....8 bags of groceries for $162!!!! AND I *saved* over $40 with coupons, buy one/get one free specials, etc.
Proved to myself once and for all, the junk is not only more convenient..it IS cheaper.0 -
I have to disagree with the idea that nutritious food costs the same as *junk* food.
I conducted an experiment this summer when we were having a big fish fry.
I went to Wal Mart and bought only the junk....chips, desserts, pop,etc....8 bags of groceries for $68 and I didn't bag the pop!
Went to Harris Teeter for the vegetables, fruit, fish, etc.....8 bags of groceries for $162!!!! AND I *saved* over $40 with coupons, buy one/get one free specials, etc.
Proved to myself once and for all, the junk is not only more convenient..it IS cheaper.
I guess it also depends on where your food is coming from and how you're buying it. I'm sure many here extol the virtues of buying in bulk or buying produce from local markets or bulk food sources (myself included). Line up a standard supermarket receipt for produce with that of a market and you'll probably notice a discrepancy, unless you're comparing local / organic to standard non-organic. Serving size and cost/use needs to be considered, too. Many who buy in bulk and cook in advance, freeze / store food seem to get by on a smaller budget than those that by portioned food (i.e. dinners, portioned diet meals). That's an analysis that could take a while - comparing direct unit cost of a packaged item to its from scratch counterpart. I'd say the savings could favor either...it all depends.
It also depends on what people are buying in general as "healthy." I suppose I define it as whole, minimally processed foods. When you stick to the basics, you can get by on a pretty frugal budget. It's when you begin to mix in the specialty foods and ethnic treats along with expensive cuts of meat that you can significantly raise your budget.
Another thing to consider is this - most other developed nations in the world spend considerably more on their grocery budget for whole, local foods and do it with gusto (*cough* FRANCE *cough*). It is an expectation of life - food is celebrated in its best form. Many here in the US have a strange fascination with cramming as much cheaply processed, calorically dense, carbohydrate dense food that we can for as little money as possible. And these foods are readily available and inexpensive thanks to government grain subsidies...
And what is the definition of true junk? I define "junk" loosely as processed food including but not limited to 100 calorie packs, Doritos, pastries, Nutrigrain bars, frozen dinners, processed meats, crackers, bagels, some breads, etc etc. Some people don't. It's all what you believe and how you eat. I bought a cart that had some junk in it for a Christmas party a few weeks ago...$67. Food for one night. My weekly budget at a farmer's market for the majority of our meals - meat, veg, sides, snacks...$55.0 -
i think you are being really judgemental. that is not a full cart of groceries for family for a day, let alone a week. those could possibly be snacks or replenishing the pantry or for special occasions (like, i don't know, NEW YEAR'S EVE). you have no idea what this women has at home in the manner of fresh fruits or veggies, or what her child is eating.
dawn
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Yea probably not. If these are the snacks think of what the meals are. Also obvioulsy not!!! If the child and the mother are over lbs........ hello!!!!0 -
Yea probably not. If these are the snacks think of what the meals are. Also obvioulsy not!!! If the child and the mother are over lbs........ hello!!!!
this is exactly what I'm saying.
If I saw the child somewhere without the food cart and without her mother, I would have had some part of me that wondered if the child had some kind of hormone deficiency, or other medical issue. That would have been my first thought, and maybe that's still the case, but after seeing the food cart and the parent, I am relatively confident that bad nutrition is the cause. Am I 100% sure? Obviously not, but I can make logical assumptions based on a preponderance of the evidence. We all do it.
How many of us driven up to a 4 way stop sign, started through, and saw another car pull up to the same sign on your left or right? They haven't stopped yet, but they are slowing down. You're assuming based on the fact that the person is (presumably) alert behind the wheel, and that the car is slowing down, that they will stop at the sign and not plow into you. Do you KNOW this is the case? No you don't, but 99% of the time this is true, so we assume and act upon those assumptions every single day. That's all I did, in fact, I really didn't act on them at all (besides posting on here, which doesn't directly affect that person what so ever).0 -
I have to disagree with the idea that nutritious food costs the same as *junk* food.
I conducted an experiment this summer when we were having a big fish fry.
I went to Wal Mart and bought only the junk....chips, desserts, pop,etc....8 bags of groceries for $68 and I didn't bag the pop!
Went to Harris Teeter for the vegetables, fruit, fish, etc.....8 bags of groceries for $162!!!! AND I *saved* over $40 with coupons, buy one/get one free specials, etc.
Proved to myself once and for all, the junk is not only more convenient..it IS cheaper.
You can't compair the price of food based on the number of grocery bags you leave the store with. You can only fit a few bags of chips in a shopping bag, but you can put a lot of fresh fruits and veggie in one. Processed foods tend to come with a lot of packaging that takes up room in the bag. This argument just isn't logical IMO.0 -
I have to disagree with the idea that nutritious food costs the same as *junk* food.
I conducted an experiment this summer when we were having a big fish fry.
I went to Wal Mart and bought only the junk....chips, desserts, pop,etc....8 bags of groceries for $68 and I didn't bag the pop!
Went to Harris Teeter for the vegetables, fruit, fish, etc.....8 bags of groceries for $162!!!! AND I *saved* over $40 with coupons, buy one/get one free specials, etc.
Proved to myself once and for all, the junk is not only more convenient..it IS cheaper.
You can't compair the price of food based on the number of grocery bags you leave the store with. You can only fit a few bags of chips in a shopping bag, but you can put a lot of fresh fruits and veggie in one. Processed foods tend to come with a lot of packaging that takes up room in the bag. This argument just isn't logical IMO.
Nor can you define the price you pay (medically) over time to eat junk vs. healthful foods.0 -
I have to disagree with the idea that nutritious food costs the same as *junk* food.
I conducted an experiment this summer when we were having a big fish fry.
I went to Wal Mart and bought only the junk....chips, desserts, pop,etc....8 bags of groceries for $68 and I didn't bag the pop!
Went to Harris Teeter for the vegetables, fruit, fish, etc.....8 bags of groceries for $162!!!! AND I *saved* over $40 with coupons, buy one/get one free specials, etc.
Proved to myself once and for all, the junk is not only more convenient..it IS cheaper.
I think the problem is that, what exactly can you prepare out of the junk food? Sure you can have Kraft Mac n' Cheese with hot dogs, but where is the nutritional value and how full are you really after eating that? The portion sizes are so small and you end up eating more calories than say making your own chili.
In the end, there is a reason why junk food is cheap. It is over processed and not very filling. Sure you can eat a whole bag of chips and feel full, but how long does that last say compared to eating an apple and PB, which will keep you fuller longer.
There are ways to shop healthy and not break the bank. Plus you can make stews, soups and chili which can be frozen and eaten another day. Who really would want to reheat Kraft Mac n' Cheese? People probably eat the whole box since one serving isn't all that much.0 -
I have to disagree with the idea that nutritious food costs the same as *junk* food.
I conducted an experiment this summer when we were having a big fish fry.
I went to Wal Mart and bought only the junk....chips, desserts, pop,etc....8 bags of groceries for $68 and I didn't bag the pop!
Went to Harris Teeter for the vegetables, fruit, fish, etc.....8 bags of groceries for $162!!!! AND I *saved* over $40 with coupons, buy one/get one free specials, etc.
Proved to myself once and for all, the junk is not only more convenient..it IS cheaper.
You can't compair the price of food based on the number of grocery bags you leave the store with. You can only fit a few bags of chips in a shopping bag, but you can put a lot of fresh fruits and veggie in one. Processed foods tend to come with a lot of packaging that takes up room in the bag. This argument just isn't logical IMO.
Nor can you define the price you pay (medically) over time to eat junk vs. healthful foods.
on top of that, you also have to look at what kind of "healthy" foods your buying.
buying baby carrots that are already washed is going to be more expensive than buying a bag of unwashed regular carrots.
also, buying fruits and veggies when they're in season is going to save you money.
chocolate bar might be cheaper than a luna bar, but which is going to keep you fuller longer?0 -
I sure wish I had such cheap organic/healthy/nutrritious groceries where I live.
Also wish I had the income/grocery budget where a difference of $140 (without coupons, deals) in groceries is no big deal.
You can argue and call me stupid all you want, but that's my personal experience and since none of you were there, not sure how I am wrong about my own life? :huh:0 -
I sure wish I had such cheap organic/healthy/nutrritious groceries where I live.
You can argue and call me stupid all you want, but that's my personal experience and since none of you were there, not sure how I am wrong about my own life? :huh:
No one is calling you stupid. No one is denying that it is cheaper to buy junk, but how nutritious and healthy is the junk? Generally junk food doesn't keep you full longer than healthy food. Plus the nutritional value of junk isn't much. I made the point of asking what can you make with the junk food compared to vegetables, meat and fruit. I would think not much.
Where do you shop? Do you not have a grocery store? Frozen foods can be just as good as fresh if you don't have the money. Plus buying in bulk can last you longer.
If you want to eat junk, that is fine, but you aren't getting the most out of your calories and may be malnourished since you aren't getting certain vitamins.0 -
I find that, since I know nothing about the individual next to me--nothing about their lifestyle, health history, the particular circumstances of that purchase, etc., etc, it is really unfair to jump to conclusions just based on physical appearance. I'm sure most of the people in this group who were (or are) struggling with their weight at some time or another really appreciated the looks of scorn and derision they received from the "grocery line police" every time they went to the store.
Me, I prefer to use my time in the grocery line more productively -- looking for hot MILFs buying healthy food, expensive wine and cheeses, and fantasizing that they would invite me home with them.
This post says it best and I am now quite ashamed of myself for the amount of time I have wasted on this thread.
Opinions are like a**es...everyone has one. They come in all shapes and sizes
doesn't make them right or wrong, better or worse....they just *are*
my time should have been better spent than on this topic. thanks for the above post and reminder of what is important0 -
I sure wish I had such cheap organic/healthy/nutrritious groceries where I live.
You can argue and call me stupid all you want, but that's my personal experience and since none of you were there, not sure how I am wrong about my own life? :huh:
No one is calling you stupid. No one is denying that it is cheaper to buy junk, but how nutritious and healthy is the junk? Generally junk food doesn't keep you full longer than healthy food. Plus the nutritional value of junk isn't much. I made the point of asking what can you make with the junk food compared to vegetables, meat and fruit. I would think not much.
Where do you shop? Do you not have a grocery store? Frozen foods can be just as good as fresh if you don't have the money. Plus buying in bulk can last you longer.
If you want to eat junk, that is fine, but you aren't getting the most out of your calories and may be malnourished since you aren't getting certain vitamins.
Interesting points, but why are you making assumptions that I regularly consume junk. I mentioned a one time experiment for a special event where many people were being fed. And asking whether or not I have (or unspoken KNOW) what a grocery store is, IS akin to calling me stupid.
Now this is truly the last moment I will spend here.0 -
I sure wish I had such cheap organic/healthy/nutrritious groceries where I live.
You can argue and call me stupid all you want, but that's my personal experience and since none of you were there, not sure how I am wrong about my own life? :huh:
I never called you stupid or wrong. I just pointed out that it wasn't a logical way to look at grocery prices. Bananas are pretty cheap. If I bought a grocery bag full of bananas, it would probaby be cheaper than a grocery bag full of chips. Using grocery bag logic, that example would show that eating healthier was cheaper.
I'm sure you had other reasons for basing your decision that the junk was cheaper. That infomation just wasn't shared.0 -
Okay I am sorry but this has gotten ridiculous! I think we all need to go back and read the original post to remember what this thread started out talking about. There is no need for this to turn into an argument between MFP members!0
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I sure wish I had such cheap organic/healthy/nutrritious groceries where I live.
You can argue and call me stupid all you want, but that's my personal experience and since none of you were there, not sure how I am wrong about my own life? :huh:
No one is calling you stupid. No one is denying that it is cheaper to buy junk, but how nutritious and healthy is the junk? Generally junk food doesn't keep you full longer than healthy food. Plus the nutritional value of junk isn't much. I made the point of asking what can you make with the junk food compared to vegetables, meat and fruit. I would think not much.
Where do you shop? Do you not have a grocery store? Frozen foods can be just as good as fresh if you don't have the money. Plus buying in bulk can last you longer.
If you want to eat junk, that is fine, but you aren't getting the most out of your calories and may be malnourished since you aren't getting certain vitamins.
Interesting points, but why are you making assumptions that I regularly consume junk. I mentioned a one time experiment for a special event where many people were being fed. And asking whether or not I have (or unspoken KNOW) what a grocery store is, IS akin to calling me stupid.
Now this is truly the last moment I will spend here.
You do realize that in parts of this country there are not grocery stores...only corner shops or gas stations. She wasn't calling you stupid, it's a valid question.0 -
Okay I am sorry but this has gotten ridiculous! I think we all need to go back and read the original post to remember what this thread started out talking about. There is no need for this to turn into an argument between MFP members!
conversations go stray for a reason, because everything that is being mentioned is highly relevant and sometimes the first issue isn't the issue at all.
think outside the box.0 -
Okay I am sorry but this has gotten ridiculous! I think we all need to go back and read the original post to remember what this thread started out talking about. There is no need for this to turn into an argument between MFP members!
conversations go stray for a reason, because everything that is being mentioned is highly relevant and sometimes the first issue isn't the issue at all.
think outside the box.
Under no circumstances is arguing to the point someone is offended constructive or positive. Running someone off is not healthy neither is making assumptions. And what do you mean think outside the box? You don't me or how I think!0 -
Okay I am sorry but this has gotten ridiculous! I think we all need to go back and read the original post to remember what this thread started out talking about. There is no need for this to turn into an argument between MFP members!
conversations go stray for a reason, because everything that is being mentioned is highly relevant and sometimes the first issue isn't the issue at all.
think outside the box.
Under no circumstances is arguing to the point someone is offended constructive or positive. Running someone off is not healthy neither is making assumptions. And what do you mean think outside the box? You don't me or how I think!
And yet you're arguing with Loathesome.0 -
Okay I am sorry but this has gotten ridiculous! I think we all need to go back and read the original post to remember what this thread started out talking about. There is no need for this to turn into an argument between MFP members!
conversations go stray for a reason, because everything that is being mentioned is highly relevant and sometimes the first issue isn't the issue at all.
think outside the box.
Under no circumstances is arguing to the point someone is offended constructive or positive. Running someone off is not healthy neither is making assumptions. And what do you mean think outside the box? You don't me or how I think!
And yet you're arguing with Loathesome.
Are you serious? You know what yall go ahead and be negative! I am a better person than to attack anyone. I will pray for you.
God Bless.0
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