Got really mad at the supermarket today
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I think it goes without saying that we speak in generalizations here. Of course there are the exceptions, i.e. people, for example, who are physically unable to exercise. Or those people who shouldn't have had kids who have nothing to teach them about life, etc. But for the MAJORITY, we need to put personal responsibility back into the equation.0
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There are parents out there known as "risk parents'.....basically parents that are so lacking in mental, social and emotional maturity that they can barely take care of themselves let a lone children. They are the parents that no matter how many times you tell them they should serve fruit and vegetables to their children they cannot remember to do it.
Saying that in this day and age every parent should be able to educate themselves on nutrition is giving some people a lot of credit. Every talk to a kid who has a piece of cardboard on the floor to sleep on because there is not enough money for a mattress. Kids who do not have books at home because mom or dad cannot read so the kids are never read to. Yes obesity is a national crisis but some of these children come from homes with so many other issues going on at home that some of them are lucky that their parents remember to feed them. Spend some time in a crisis nursery or talking to people who work there on a regular basis. Some kids are in for a rough life from day one....do not judge me until you walk a day in my shoes.
It is easy to judge without knowing all the details but you may change you may find it harder to judge if you know all the details.
A closed mind is a terrible thing.
I'll not take this reply as I first did, I'll let you explain. Are you calling people closed minded because these situations exist? That's a terrible thing to say if it is what you meant.0 -
There are parents out there known as "risk parents'.....basically parents that are so lacking in mental, social and emotional maturity that they can barely take care of themselves let a lone children. They are the parents that no matter how many times you tell them they should serve fruit and vegetables to their children they cannot remember to do it.
Saying that in this day and age every parent should be able to educate themselves on nutrition is giving some people a lot of credit. Every talk to a kid who has a piece of cardboard on the floor to sleep on because there is not enough money for a mattress. Kids who do not have books at home because mom or dad cannot read so the kids are never read to. Yes obesity is a national crisis but some of these children come from homes with so many other issues going on at home that some of them are lucky that their parents remember to feed them. Spend some time in a crisis nursery or talking to people who work there on a regular basis. Some kids are in for a rough life from day one....do not judge me until you walk a day in my shoes.
It is easy to judge without knowing all the details but you may change you may find it harder to judge if you know all the details.
A closed mind is a terrible thing.
I'll not take this reply as I first did, I'll let you explain. Are you calling people closed minded because these situations exist? That's a terrible thing to say if it is what you meant.
Why oh why did I have a feeling this thread would turn ugly
I really can see both points...parents should be responsible for the well being of their children....feeding them properly is part of the pakage
BUT I have to agree there are a lot of people that clearly have children and should not and (maybe it's hard fro some of us to wrap our brains around) but grew up with little, eating fatty, greasy, junk food and pass that on to their children because they don't understand a better way
I'm not making excuses for these parents, but again I think it is hard for us that grew up in a middle class family to understand poverty and all it's repercussions...and what other people have gone through *this isn't a direct attack or statement towards anyone*
I think bottom line, we all feel for the children...I think we all agree on that....children clearly w/ out a doubt don't no better....if their parents aren't educated, who is going to break the cycle?0 -
I was thinking about this subject.......it has been awhile since I was intrigued by a thread...........and a few things came to mind.
A few ppl said this should be considered child abuse. OK-now what??
Do we, as a country, take on the daunting task of arresting these parents?
Should DCF remove the children from the home?
Should the food police be standing at the end of the Kroger registers to write citation to report abuse?
Then there would be the mental and real costs of housing this child in a foster home.........should it be an organic foster home? Good luck finding a family to take in the addl billion over weight children in America, let alone have them be health concsious.
Good topic, but there are oh so many reasons for the junk people feed their kids. What can we do about it?
I for one encourage young moms on here to take control now, and raise their children with a different set of rules when it comes to food. That is my contribution.
Jeannie 0 -
I was thinking about this subject.......it has been awhile since I was intrigued by a thread...........and a few things came to mind.
A few ppl said this should be considered child abuse. OK-now what??
Do we, as a country, take on the daunting task of arresting these parents?
Should DCF remove the children from the home?
Should the food police be standing at the end of the Kroger registers to write citation to report abuse?
Then there would be the mental and real costs of housing this child in a foster home.........should it be an organic foster home? Good luck finding a family to take in the addl billion over weight children in America, let alone have them be health concsious.
Good topic, but there are oh so many reasons for the junk people feed their kids. What can we do about it?
I for one encourage young moms on here to take control now, and raise their children with a different set of rules when it comes to food. That is my contribution. Jeannie
did i just read something with thought incorporated? get out! :P jk everyone
and shboss, you said that it was off topic to talk about nutrition, i think the point is that some of us think that it is in fact the whole point
and commercialism/capitalism are the end all be all-aimed at a poster on page 4 (too lazy to quote right now-he discussed the dark history of some of our foods)0 -
when your child needs to have their gall bladder removed at 18 because they went on a liquid diet and destroyed it, that's going to cost you and them a lot, not only in terms of money, but also in future mental issues.
mental health issues are broad, i can point many of them out just in this thread. people are walking mental health issues. although i do agree with you. figure that one out!0 -
I was thinking about this subject.......it has been awhile since I was intrigued by a thread...........and a few things came to mind.
A few ppl said this should be considered child abuse. OK-now what??
Do we, as a country, take on the daunting task of arresting these parents?
Should DCF remove the children from the home?
Should the food police be standing at the end of the Kroger registers to write citation to report abuse?
Then there would be the mental and real costs of housing this child in a foster home.........should it be an organic foster home? Good luck finding a family to take in the addl billion over weight children in America, let alone have them be health concsious.
Good topic, but there are oh so many reasons for the junk people feed their kids. What can we do about it?
I for one encourage young moms on here to take control now, and raise their children with a different set of rules when it comes to food. That is my contribution. Jeannie
did i just read something with thought incorporated? get out! :P jk everyone
and shboss, you said that it was off topic to talk about nutrition, i think the point is that some of us think that it is in fact the whole point
and commercialism/capitalism are the end all be all-aimed at a poster on page 4 (too lazy to quote right now-he discussed the dark history of some of our foods)
I also agree with you on the commercialism of food and it has been going on since day 1 of television for all.
I grew up in the latch-key, television as babysitter decade. I can STILL recite the commercials for many many foods!! Thank GOD Cheerios is the first one that comes to mind!!0 -
when your child needs to have their gall bladder removed at 18 because they went on a liquid diet and destroyed it, that's going to cost you and them a lot, not only in terms of money, but also in future mental issues.
mental health issues are broad, i can point many of them out just in this thread. people are walking mental health issues. although i do agree with you. figure that one out!
hey, I resemble that remark....:laugh:0 -
did i just read something with thought incorporated? get out! :P jk everyone
and shboss, you said that it was off topic to talk about nutrition, i think the point is that some of us think that it is in fact the whole point
and commercialism/capitalism are the end all be all-aimed at a poster on page 4 (too lazy to quote right now-he discussed the dark history of some of our foods)
off topic because nutrition is very broad. And this thread is focused on parental responsibility. Not someone's own nutrition as an adult.0 -
when your child needs to have their gall bladder removed at 18 because they went on a liquid diet and destroyed it, that's going to cost you and them a lot, not only in terms of money, but also in future mental issues.
mental health issues are broad, i can point many of them out just in this thread. people are walking mental health issues. although i do agree with you. figure that one out!
Nothing you say here is wrong, but how is it relevant to this topic?0 -
I was thinking about this subject.......it has been awhile since I was intrigued by a thread...........and a few things came to mind.
A few ppl said this should be considered child abuse. OK-now what??
Do we, as a country, take on the daunting task of arresting these parents?
Should DCF remove the children from the home?
Should the food police be standing at the end of the Kroger registers to write citation to report abuse?
Then there would be the mental and real costs of housing this child in a foster home.........should it be an organic foster home? Good luck finding a family to take in the addl billion over weight children in America, let alone have them be health concsious.
Good topic, but there are oh so many reasons for the junk people feed their kids. What can we do about it?
I for one encourage young moms on here to take control now, and raise their children with a different set of rules when it comes to food. That is my contribution. Jeannie
It's something that requires a great deal of thought and consideration. I'm not sure there's an easy answer. Is it child abuse to neglect your childs nutrition? Ideally that's an individual assessment that needs to be made by a qualified professional. I doubt that would ever happen since it's so resource intensive and nutrition isn't given the billing that something like a mother on heroine or meth would get, but it's not for me to decide.
I'll say this though Jeannie, there already are real mental and real costs. Besides the costs they will incur in future years with medical and mental health professionals, but the overall cost of increases to insurance and malpractice insurance (obesity makes some otherwise routine procedures high risk and dangerous) is also a factor.0 -
I was thinking about this subject.......it has been awhile since I was intrigued by a thread...........and a few things came to mind.
A few ppl said this should be considered child abuse. OK-now what??
Do we, as a country, take on the daunting task of arresting these parents?
Should DCF remove the children from the home?
Should the food police be standing at the end of the Kroger registers to write citation to report abuse?
Then there would be the mental and real costs of housing this child in a foster home.........should it be an organic foster home? Good luck finding a family to take in the addl billion over weight children in America, let alone have them be health concsious.
Good topic, but there are oh so many reasons for the junk people feed their kids. What can we do about it?
I for one encourage young moms on here to take control now, and raise their children with a different set of rules when it comes to food. That is my contribution. Jeannie
I'll say this though Jeannie, there already are real mental and real costs. Besides the costs they will incur in future years with medical and mental health professionals, but the overall cost of increases to insurance and malpractice insurance (obesity makes some otherwise routine procedures high risk and dangerous) is also a factor.
Funny you should say this. I called my insurance company to see if they would pay for a Nutritionist.
You know, a few sessions ot get me on the way.
She LOL and said well no, they do not. I asked her why this was funny and she apologized and said it is not a medical issue. I said not YET...........I told her I found that odd because you can either pay a few hundred now, or hundreds of thousands later on when my body falls part due to obesity.
Or you will pay for the lap band if I am 100 pounds overweight..........but not a someone to tell me how to lose 50? Are you not encouraging ppl to gain even more....so they can get the sx???? *at the time I could have been thought 70 pounds overweight from the lowest # on BMI scale.
It really angered me to think that educating yourself on healthy eating was a laughable subject to someone in the medical insurance field.
Just sharing and caring :flowerforyou:0 -
I was thinking about this subject.......it has been awhile since I was intrigued by a thread...........and a few things came to mind.
A few ppl said this should be considered child abuse. OK-now what??
Do we, as a country, take on the daunting task of arresting these parents?
Should DCF remove the children from the home?
Should the food police be standing at the end of the Kroger registers to write citation to report abuse?
Then there would be the mental and real costs of housing this child in a foster home.........should it be an organic foster home? Good luck finding a family to take in the addl billion over weight children in America, let alone have them be health concsious.
Good topic, but there are oh so many reasons for the junk people feed their kids. What can we do about it?
I for one encourage young moms on here to take control now, and raise their children with a different set of rules when it comes to food. That is my contribution. Jeannie
I'll say this though Jeannie, there already are real mental and real costs. Besides the costs they will incur in future years with medical and mental health professionals, but the overall cost of increases to insurance and malpractice insurance (obesity makes some otherwise routine procedures high risk and dangerous) is also a factor.
Funny you should say this. I called my insurance company to see if they would pay for a Nutritionist.
You know, a few sessions ot get me on the way.
She LOL and said well no, they do not. I asked her why this was funny and she apologized and said it is not a medical issue. I said not YET...........I told her I found that odd because you can either pay a few hundred now, or hundreds of thousands later on when my body falls part due to obesity.
Or you will pay for the lap band if I am 100 pounds overweight..........but not a someone to tell me how to lose 50? Are you not encouraging ppl to gain even more....so they can get the sx???? *at the time I could have been thought 70 pounds overweight from the lowest # on BMI scale.
It really angered me to think that educating yourself on healthy eating was a laughable subject to someone in the medical insurance field.
Just sharing and caring :flowerforyou:
What did she say to that?0 -
Funny you should say this. I called my insurance company to see if they would pay for a Nutritionist.
You know, a few sessions ot get me on the way.
She LOL and said well no, they do not. I asked her why this was funny and she apologized and said it is not a medical issue. I said not YET...........I told her I found that odd because you can either pay a few hundred now, or hundreds of thousands later on when my body falls part due to obesity.
Or you will pay for the lap band if I am 100 pounds overweight..........but not a someone to tell me how to lose 50? Are you not encouraging ppl to gain even more....so they can get the sx???? *at the time I could have been thought 70 pounds overweight from the lowest # on BMI scale.
It really angered me to think that educating yourself on healthy eating was a laughable subject to someone in the medical insurance field.
Just sharing and caring :flowerforyou:
This doesn't shock me. But I'll bet you 10 years from now (if we still have private health care), they wouldn't laugh. It takes forever for these types of companies to change their protocols. Plus, you have to remember, these companies don't look at preventative care the same way we do, they encourage it, but they don't see it as an expense they should be covering, at least not at this point, not until we, as consumers press and demand it.
You watch, some insurance company (if they survive) will come out with a plan that includes this, and lots of people will jump ship, then the others will start providing it.0 -
I was thinking about this subject.......it has been awhile since I was intrigued by a thread...........and a few things came to mind.
A few ppl said this should be considered child abuse. OK-now what??
Do we, as a country, take on the daunting task of arresting these parents?
Should DCF remove the children from the home?
Should the food police be standing at the end of the Kroger registers to write citation to report abuse?
Then there would be the mental and real costs of housing this child in a foster home.........should it be an organic foster home? Good luck finding a family to take in the addl billion over weight children in America, let alone have them be health concsious.
Good topic, but there are oh so many reasons for the junk people feed their kids. What can we do about it?
I for one encourage young moms on here to take control now, and raise their children with a different set of rules when it comes to food. That is my contribution. Jeannie
I'll say this though Jeannie, there already are real mental and real costs. Besides the costs they will incur in future years with medical and mental health professionals, but the overall cost of increases to insurance and malpractice insurance (obesity makes some otherwise routine procedures high risk and dangerous) is also a factor.
Funny you should say this. I called my insurance company to see if they would pay for a Nutritionist.
You know, a few sessions ot get me on the way.
She LOL and said well no, they do not. I asked her why this was funny and she apologized and said it is not a medical issue. I said not YET...........I told her I found that odd because you can either pay a few hundred now, or hundreds of thousands later on when my body falls part due to obesity.
Or you will pay for the lap band if I am 100 pounds overweight..........but not a someone to tell me how to lose 50? Are you not encouraging ppl to gain even more....so they can get the sx???? *at the time I could have been thought 70 pounds overweight from the lowest # on BMI scale.
It really angered me to think that educating yourself on healthy eating was a laughable subject to someone in the medical insurance field.
Just sharing and caring :flowerforyou:
What did she say to that?
Silence. I asked to speak with her supervisor so she thought she was in trouble. The supp said they pay 100% for 2 ck ups a year for health maint, but they have not come to the point of offering this much preventive care. she said it is proven that even if given the correct tools, 90% of the ppl never use them so it is not cost effective to offer the resources.
Makes sense.............as I am in insurance and understand cost and effect.......but well. it is frustrating.0 -
Funny you should say this. I called my insurance company to see if they would pay for a Nutritionist.
You know, a few sessions ot get me on the way.
She LOL and said well no, they do not. I asked her why this was funny and she apologized and said it is not a medical issue. I said not YET...........I told her I found that odd because you can either pay a few hundred now, or hundreds of thousands later on when my body falls part due to obesity.
Or you will pay for the lap band if I am 100 pounds overweight..........but not a someone to tell me how to lose 50? Are you not encouraging ppl to gain even more....so they can get the sx???? *at the time I could have been thought 70 pounds overweight from the lowest # on BMI scale.
It really angered me to think that educating yourself on healthy eating was a laughable subject to someone in the medical insurance field.
Just sharing and caring :flowerforyou:
This doesn't shock me. But I'll bet you 10 years from now (if we still have private health care), they wouldn't laugh. It takes forever for these types of companies to change their protocols. Plus, you have to remember, these companies don't look at preventative care the same way we do, they encourage it, but they don't see it as an expense they should be covering, at least not at this point, not until we, as consumers press and demand it.
You watch, some insurance company (if they survive) will come out with a plan that includes this, and lots of people will jump ship, then the others will start providing it.
I guess they view it as I do new tires or oil changes........that is part of owning a vehicle and does not increase the value of your car. When someone totals a car in an ax, they always want me to pay for their last maint ck up.
I have my biggest issue with them paying for gastric bypass, lap bands, and the such...........and I am HAPPY they do now........because they didnt for years...........but they told my friend she had to be 100 pounds overweight............she GAINED 10 pounds to get the surgery. I mean.....seriously, what is the industry saying to people?
They could even set up schedules. Let's say you are 20% or more overweight, then they will set you up with a nutritionist or even physical therapy to learn about muscles. I started this journey all because of high cholesteral and a neck inj
the PT got me lifting weights and doing cardio.
Sigh, I am just frustrated with the whole system.0 -
As a mom I can't say what she's feeding her kid was forgivable but I'm also not going to pretend that I don't understand it. I think it's amazing that some people feed themselves as well as their kids such amazing foods and go without the processed crap....however I am not one of them:frown: . It is a goal of mine to eat healthier and feed my kids healthier in 2010 (and forever) but I can't say that we still won't have a Happy meal once & awhile and that Whole wheat Spaghetti Ohs aren't in my shopping cart once and awhile. As with all parenting everyone has their own style and in spite of us they all grow up. Yes some have more issues to overcome as adults than others but I try not to pretend that my kids won't have anything to overcome. No one could have told us when we wer enot on weightloss or healthy lifestyle that we should do this or that....Maybe this mom is in that place and no matter what is said or done NOTHING will make her change until she's ready. Is it sad? yes. Is that child unloved? We have no idea. My point....not sure I have one:laugh: When my friend told me about this thread I was ready to jump on board and yell "Bad Mom" but after reading the thread I actually feel sorry her. I wish I was a perfect eater and could judge other's mistakes but sadly I cannot not. I work at it everyday but I shopped today and their was processed stuff in my cart.:embarassed:0
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Funny you should say this. I called my insurance company to see if they would pay for a Nutritionist.
You know, a few sessions ot get me on the way.
She LOL and said well no, they do not. I asked her why this was funny and she apologized and said it is not a medical issue. I said not YET...........I told her I found that odd because you can either pay a few hundred now, or hundreds of thousands later on when my body falls part due to obesity.
Or you will pay for the lap band if I am 100 pounds overweight..........but not a someone to tell me how to lose 50? Are you not encouraging ppl to gain even more....so they can get the sx???? *at the time I could have been thought 70 pounds overweight from the lowest # on BMI scale.
It really angered me to think that educating yourself on healthy eating was a laughable subject to someone in the medical insurance field.
Just sharing and caring :flowerforyou:
This doesn't shock me. But I'll bet you 10 years from now (if we still have private health care), they wouldn't laugh. It takes forever for these types of companies to change their protocols. Plus, you have to remember, these companies don't look at preventative care the same way we do, they encourage it, but they don't see it as an expense they should be covering, at least not at this point, not until we, as consumers press and demand it.
You watch, some insurance company (if they survive) will come out with a plan that includes this, and lots of people will jump ship, then the others will start providing it.
I guess they view it as I do new tires or oil changes........that is part of owning a vehicle and does not increase the value of your car. When someone totals a car in an ax, they always want me to pay for their last maint ck up.
I have my biggest issue with them paying for gastric bypass, lap bands, and the such...........and I am HAPPY they do now........because they didnt for years...........but they told my friend she had to be 100 pounds overweight............she GAINED 10 pounds to get the surgery. I mean.....seriously, what is the industry saying to people?
They could even set up schedules. Let's say you are 20% or more overweight, then they will set you up with a nutritionist or even physical therapy to learn about muscles. I started this journey all because of high cholesteral and a neck inj
the PT got me lifting weights and doing cardio.
Sigh, I am just frustrated with the whole system.
I couldn't agree more with your frustration towards ins. paying for weight loss surgery. My friend got the military to pay for her lap band surgery....REALLY? Go do your PT and stop eating so much...no lap band needed. The military of all places! The Army paid for her weight loss...I find it unbelievable!0 -
Slightly off topic but to address the ignorance issue about nutrition. Personally I think there should be a class on nutrition starting in middle school. Hell, throw a few lessons in there during science portion in elementary school! They'll teach us to care for empty egg shells and how to balance a check book, use the internet for research, all 50 states and their capitals (Which we'll forget in three months) but they wont teach us to take care of our own bodies.
But of course... nutrition isn' t on the FCAT. -_-
Actually they do, it's called health class. Most schools have them. Doesn't work, obviously. It's not the school's responsibility. It's the parents. Why don't people get this? Ah well, keep on keepin on! Just for the record, I still remember my state capitals.
I teach a week on nutrition to my sports medicine classes and even though they are required to take a health class it's still an eye opener when I tell them to look at labels and how there can be more than 1 serving in a container. Most kids don't realize that a can of soup is actually 2 servings and they have to multiple everything on the nutrition label by the servings.0 -
This topic is taking an interesting turn. I to would like to see not only insurance companies willing to pay more for preventative care but also physicians taking more time to encourage healthy lifestyles. Right now most physicians are still disease oriented, it starts in their training. While I have not used a chiropractor the ones I have known are focused on health promotion/wellness rather than only treating the disease. We need physicians to treat the whole person and for insurance companies to pay for whatever treatment we need.
I agree with Jeannie in that it would be cheaper for them to pay to prevent rather than have to pay later. Sadly they don't see it that way.0
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