So..no barbells at gym
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Determinednoo - How many pullups can you do?
If you can do a few, how many can you do one-armed?
I think those two skills will be a lot more applicable during the zombie apocalypse than anything you can do with a squat or deadlift (unless you're squatting because you're trying to cower in a little hole).
Squatting and deadlifting is useful.
But squatting doesn't have to be with a barbell. Pistol squats are very effective, the old school 20 squats done rest-pause and lots of milk works great with pistols, as your cardio system isn't quite as limiting. It still thrashes your legs and causes your leg muscles to get a bigger. As a side effect you end up with neat abilities such as holding the yoga tree pose while on your tip toes for a long time, since your balance muscles get strengthened along with your prime movers.
One armed pulls are a different sort of animal. I can pull 25+ bw chins (don't test much) and work them +55 lb normally and am nowhere near strong enough to even begin one arm chin training. When ice cream makers start getting easy, then it is time to turn your attention to the one arm chin. The one arm chin is on a whole 'nother level, near the physical limit for humans.
I know, waldo. I'm all for BW exercises. I've never liked using artificial weights of any sort. I was trying to make a joke.0 -
Determinednoo - How many pullups can you do?
If you can do a few, how many can you do one-armed?
I think those two skills will be a lot more applicable during the zombie apocalypse than anything you can do with a squat or deadlift (unless you're squatting because you're trying to cower in a little hole).
How much can you deadlift? Shall we just whip them out?0 -
switch gyms0
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I'm not saying it can't be done, but someone ~6' at 200+ with low enough bf to truly have a 6 pack would be yoked to hell, and he isn't. Not that I am or that there is anything wrong with not being yoked, just sayin the math doesn't add up.
What?
For real, 6'1" 205 is NFL CB sized. Not some jacked dude like you seem to think. At my height 220+ lb at least.
The math adds up just fine.
http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww269/Waldo56/Self/Collage1001.jpg
You want to split hairs on BF% whatever, but I'm over 200 and bulking just fine with my little dumbbells and bodyweight TYVM, whilst sticking to low rep work. Can't be done without a barbell though.
Nice transformation, Waldo! You look great! :happy:
Thanks.
Link works now. Great progress. I don't see a six pack though. Don't even really see a four pack.0 -
Determinednoo - How many pullups can you do?
If you can do a few, how many can you do one-armed?
I think those two skills will be a lot more applicable during the zombie apocalypse than anything you can do with a squat or deadlift (unless you're squatting because you're trying to cower in a little hole).
How much can you deadlift? Shall we just whip them out?
Does it matter what I can or cannot do? I was asking a simple question: Can you do a simple body weight exercise? You look so buff, but can you simply move your own body?0 -
I was on a crew boat and all they had was a makeshift barbell weighing a big ol 15lbs and a fall prevention guard on one of the ladder wells I did pullups on. You can do a million things with a few sets of dumbbells. Go to failure, adapt and overcome!
Unless that's not the case, then switch gyms.0 -
Sounds like the gym owner is a dumbbell for not having a barbell.0
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Determinednoo - How many pullups can you do?
If you can do a few, how many can you do one-armed?
I think those two skills will be a lot more applicable during the zombie apocalypse than anything you can do with a squat or deadlift (unless you're squatting because you're trying to cower in a little hole).
How much can you deadlift? Shall we just whip them out?
Does it matter what I can or cannot do? I was asking a simple question: Can you do a simple body weight exercise? You look so buff, but can you simply move your own body?
A) Why is your questions any more valid than mine?
Yes, I can do pullups and C)My whole goal is to look buff, so according to you I already win? 0 -
Hey, if that's your goal, that's your goal.
I intend on doing something with my strength, once I've got it. Looking good is just a bonus side-effect. Mind you, I'm going for smaller muscles/more strength/more endurance. I don't want or need bulk.0 -
Hey, if that's your goal, that's your goal.
I intend on doing something with my strength, once I've got it. Looking good is just a bonus side-effect. Mind you, I'm going for smaller muscles/more strength/more endurance. I don't want or need bulk.
And what will that something be? And how much can you deadlift?
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Hey, if that's your goal, that's your goal.
I intend on doing something with my strength, once I've got it. Looking good is just a bonus side-effect. Mind you, I'm going for smaller muscles/more strength/more endurance. I don't want or need bulk.
And what will that something be? And how much can you deadlift?
chivalryryder has a strong point. My goals mirror his function over form ones. That being said, I cannot think of very many practical applications where the core strength needed to do all these gymnast type of moves would be more practical than the ability to pick up something heavy off the ground without injuring your back or screwing up your joints. In fact I've encountered numerous situations as a motorcycle owner where having the kind of strength needed to lift one end of my bike off the ground without fearing injury would have come in very handy.
The deadlift is one of the single most practical applications of real-world strength. The only thing that would make it even more functional/practical is doing it with an awkward load0 -
I would switch gyms also. But, if for some reason that's not an option because: You don't really care that much because you can achieve what your goals are without it, and It's extremely convenient and affordable in some very significant way....Then there are things you can do with dumbbells, if they go up very high. You can basically do all the things with dumbbells as you would with barbells, you will just progress at a slower, less efficient rate and have less room to expand to. But, if your goals are different than that's ok. You can do body weight exercises, some machines such as the leg press. And you will work more of your stabilizing muscles using the very heavy dumbbells for military press, bench press, bent over row, lunges and just about any exercise you want to do. Just you will be supporting the weight divided between each hand instead of on the barbell. You will not be able to go as heavy as you would with a barbell because it is a little more awkward since the weight is not evenly distributed with the help of the bar. And if you are not locked into a contract you could do that for a short time and then switch when you outgrow it.
p.s. The people that can't think of any reason why a different type of strength training is needed don't realize that some people are athletes of various kinds and/or actually gymnasts/dancers/skaters...etc. I'm a dancer, so my strength training must include stabilizing, balance, flexibility. Those things do not screw up your joints, they help your joints and will help you survive a serious accident. I was almost killed in a serious accident and was told by the doctors in the ER that being a dancer saved my life.0 -
That being said, I cannot think of very many practical applications where the core strength needed to do all these gymnast type of moves would be more practical than the ability to pick up something heavy off the ground without injuring your back or screwing up your joints.
That's the biggest selling point for me right now.
I'm a 40 year old woman. I'm not going to become a "real" athlete of any kind at this stage of the game. I just want to live out the rest of my years (that sounds pathetic! I promise I don't feel THAT old!) with as little pain and injury as possible. If weight lifting can keep me from wrenching my back carrying in groceries now and/or keep me from breaking a hip getting out of bed in another 30-40 years, then it's done it's job.
I'm very hypermobile and have always had weak and wonky joints. I used to have my knees, wrists, ankles, back, hips, etc pop out of joint at VERY inopportune times. None of that has happened since I started strength training. I love being able to enjoy "marital relations" and not scream out, "AGH! My hip!" If I scream out during that activity, it's not going to be in pain! :laugh:
Would other forms of resistance training work just as well? Probably. But this is easy, convenient and effective. So I'm going to keep at it.0 -
Hey, if that's your goal, that's your goal.
I intend on doing something with my strength, once I've got it. Looking good is just a bonus side-effect. Mind you, I'm going for smaller muscles/more strength/more endurance. I don't want or need bulk.
And what will that something be? And how much can you deadlift?
chivalryryder has a strong point. My goals mirror his function over form ones. That being said, I cannot think of very many practical applications where the core strength needed to do all these gymnast type of moves would be more practical than the ability to pick up something heavy off the ground without injuring your back or screwing up your joints. In fact I've encountered numerous situations as a motorcycle owner where having the kind of strength needed to lift one end of my bike off the ground without fearing injury would have come in very handy.
The deadlift is one of the single most practical applications of real-world strength. The only thing that would make it even more functional/practical is doing it with an awkward load
Like Rip says if you can deadlift 400 lbs then picking up an awkward 85lb box isn't so tough. Or, a cooler full of ice and beer...0 -
I meant a real 6 pack. not the half visible nonsense that skinny people like to call a 6 pack.
You mean like the half visible nonsense in your profile pic? :bigsmile:
I don't claim to have one. I've gained 30 pounds in the last 18 months or so.......a 6 pack doesn't help me on the platform, I make myself weigh what I need to weigh.
That being said, I've had much more of a 6 pack than any of the bodyweight excercise fans in here.....I just don't weigh 155 anymore.0 -
Like Rip says if you can deadlift 400 lbs then picking up an awkward 85lb box isn't so tough. Or, a cooler full of ice and beer...
Words of wisdom. Situations like this are when my strength training actually had benefits in daily life, I can lift things at work without getting injured and I'm awesome when it comes to loading hay bales or wood.0 -
This was my situation for the past year (now I don't have any- womp womp). I just found a variety of dumbbell moves I could do. Not being able to squat about 50lbs was really irritating, but I was definitely able to make progress.0
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That being said, I've had much more of a 6 pack than any of the bodyweight excercise fans in here.....
and just how on earth would you know that?0 -
That being said, I've had much more of a 6 pack than any of the bodyweight excercise fans in here.....
and just how on earth would you know that?
by clicking their profile and viewing their pictures........
not really sure what your *kitten* attitude is with me. I haven't really said anything to you in this thread or argued with what you've said..........0 -
That being said, I've had much more of a 6 pack than any of the bodyweight excercise fans in here.....
and just how on earth would you know that?
by clicking their profile and viewing their pictures........
not really sure what your *kitten* attitude is with me. I haven't really said anything to you in this thread or argued with what you've said..........
That doesn't make any sense. Most people are here because they are trying to get back into their peak condition, but have gotten older, gained weight (like you have), or they had children, or experienced injuries, any number of reasons. So, you can't look through their pictures to determine what physique they had at their peak.0 -
That doesn't make any sense. Most people are here because they are trying to get back into their peak condition, but have gotten older, gained weight (like you have), or they had children, or experienced injuries, any number of reasons. So, you can't look through their pictures to determine what physique they had at their peak.
I'm getting taken out of context.
My arguement was that the bodyweight excercise guy claimed to be 205 with a 6 pack.....
There is a difference between gaining weight and losing your edge, and gaining weight for competitive reasons.0 -
i would get a new gym....0
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I had pretty good results using the machines at the gym.
But I had amazing frickin' results using free weights instead.
So I'm not going to say, "Ew, you must change gyms." I was completely happy with my results from using machines. I mostly switched to free weights because I hated the act of going to the gym, and bought free weights for home.
Hi there, what's the difference btw free weights and dumbbells. I need ur advise on how heavy i should lift, my neighbor has a 30kg weight I want to stat lifting, how many reps and sets do u advise for a beginner. Am hoping to tone my body and look hot, lol.0 -
I had pretty good results using the machines at the gym.
But I had amazing frickin' results using free weights instead.
So I'm not going to say, "Ew, you must change gyms." I was completely happy with my results from using machines. I mostly switched to free weights because I hated the act of going to the gym, and bought free weights for home.0 -
I had pretty good results using the machines at the gym.
But I had amazing frickin' results using free weights instead.
So I'm not going to say, "Ew, you must change gyms." I was completely happy with my results from using machines. I mostly switched to free weights because I hated the act of going to the gym, and bought free weights for home.
Hi there, what's the difference btw free weights and dumbbells. I need ur advise on how heavy i should lift, my neighbor has a 30kg weight I want to stat lifting, how many reps and sets do u advise for a beginner. Am hoping to tone my body and look hot, lol.
Dumbbells ARE free weights, just like barbells. It's the machines that aren't.0 -
What the jalapeno happened to this thread??
2 more of my cents: like another poster, I'm hypermobile, injury-prone, & in my 30s.
I've been using DBs for the past year. Until now, I've taken a deliberately conservative approach to progression in weight, focusing instead on getting form as perfect as I can manage, & working on proprioception, stability, etc, with a mix of movements (single footed, double footed, etc - have avoided twisting, though.) I'm stronger too, for sure.
I now feel able to confidently address the BBs to which I do have access, & I'm not so afraid of pulling or straining things. The BBs feel LOTS easier to control than they did when I first tried them (before my DB efforts).
It`s been a great education in my particular body's functioning, really. I've been learning where my limits are, & pushing them, without the kind of cost I've paid in the past.0 -
Hi there, what's the difference btw free weights and dumbbells. I need ur advise on how heavy i should lift, my neighbor has a 30kg weight I want to stat lifting, how many reps and sets do u advise for a beginner. Am hoping to tone my body and look hot, lol.
No difference, same thing. Barbells and dumbbells both free weights, not machine.
Lift as heavy as you can that still allows proper form to avoid injury, 2 or 3 sets of 5 to 15 reps, whatever you can do.
It's the lifting to failure that studies have shown gives the results, not number sets and reps. Your time factor comes into play there.
For first doing the lifts with proper form, 3 x 15, then keep increasing weight until you can only do 3 x 8 or 10, with last rep of last set having good form.0 -
Personally I'd look at a new gym. It took me 5-6 tours of a couple places till I found place that had everything I wanted *pool*.0
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Hi there, what's the difference btw free weights and dumbbells. I need ur advise on how heavy i should lift, my neighbor has a 30kg weight I want to stat lifting, how many reps and sets do u advise for a beginner. Am hoping to tone my body and look hot, lol.
No difference, same thing. Barbells and dumbbells both free weights, not machine.
Lift as heavy as you can that still allows proper form to avoid injury, 2 or 3 sets of 5 to 15 reps, whatever you can do.
It's the lifting to failure that studies have shown gives the results, not number sets and reps. Your time factor comes into play there.
For first doing the lifts with proper form, 3 x 15, then keep increasing weight until you can only do 3 x 8 or 10, with last rep of last set having good form.
Thank you, this is helpful as I can only do ten reps with a lot of effort, the weight is about 30 or 35kg or so I was told. 3 x 10 doesn't take much time so I tink I will do different types of lifts 3 times each. Ciao0 -
If all you did when you worked out was deadlift...you'd get really good at deadlifting, but you might have some trouble trying to do some of those crazy gymnastic pull movements Waldo mentioned.
If all you did was one armed chins, you'd be amazingly strong at pulling but you probably wouldn't be able to pull as high a deadlift as the guy doing that strictly right off the bat, and the same would be true vice versa.
If your measure of strength is an exercise itself, of course practicing that exercise is going to be the fastest and most efficient way to develop said strength.
Not everybody has the same measure though. Myself personally, I look at the big-3 as a strength measure. I want to get my total as high as possible. You know what I'm going to do to get there? The big-3 (squat, bench, deadlift for folks that aren't familiar with the term). There's tons of carry over to other things with the strength I'll gain, but I can't and probably never will be able to oly lift worth a damn and I'll certainly never be doing things like muscleups or whatever other gymnast stuff you might think of; that's ok with me.
Some people value the strength gained from bodyweight exercises more, and that's fine. If you do yoga, or capoeira, or parkour, or race in obstacle courses like tough mudder and such, those bodyweight exercises are probably going to be a lot more useful to you than my powerlifting work.
First, figure out what your goals are. Ripped and strong isn't a goal by the way, make it specific. How ripped do you want to be and what practical applications will you find where you need to be strong?
Second, look at what you have access to and the time you have to do it in. Be realistic. If you're 30% BF and can't do a single pushup yet, but want to get down to 0.00000001% and do a million pullups in a year...you better have all day every day to dedicate to training, and you still won't get it.
Third, plan accordingly. Whatever you want to do, getting a full body workout will help you. That can be done with bodyweight, with dumbbells, with a barbell, with machines, or with some combination of the four. Use what you have access to and make sure you train safely, with high intensity, and consistently. We can argue all day about the efficiency of one vs the other, but if you don't have access to a barbell that's not very efficient for a workout now is it? You can get very strong with just about any style of training, what matters is your consistency and the effort you put into it. That'll trump the absolute efficiency of any program any day of the week.
All of that being said, a lot of people strength train with barbells. Unlike dumbbells and bodyweight exercises there's an essentially limitless amount of weight (resistance) that you can add and you don't need to change the movement in order to advance. That's not to say it's better, just that progression is a bit easier. Since barbells are a perfectly acceptable method for strength training, it's useful to go to a gym with access to these things (not because you HAVE to use them, but because having the option to do so is better than not having that option). If you have the ability to change gyms to one that has such equipment, it's a good idea. If not, though, don't worry about it. Do what you can with what you have access to.
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