Sexual Orientation Changed Through Reparative Therapy?

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  • FlaxMilk
    FlaxMilk Posts: 3,452 Member
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    Not to be rude, but this is a fitness website. Please keep this to the groups, I'm sure there are plenty of Dr. Oz-based groups on here.

    Chit chat, fun and games there bucko. Doesnt need to be fitness related in this section, in case you couldnt tell from all the "rate me" threads.

    It was a reference to another thread that got shut down.
  • BaconMD
    BaconMD Posts: 1,165 Member
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    Not to be rude, but this is a fitness website. Please keep this to the groups, I'm sure there are plenty of Dr. Oz-based groups on here.

    Chit chat, fun and games there bucko. Doesnt need to be fitness related in this section, in case you couldnt tell from all the "rate me" threads.

    It was a reference to another thread that got shut down.
    Thanks. I posted it in another thread, but it promptly got shut down too. So I saw this one and jumped in.

    I can't believe the other responses I got. "...plenty of Dr. Oz-based groups on here" - how can you read that and think it's anything but a joke?
  • magj0y
    magj0y Posts: 1,911 Member
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    Not to be rude, but this is a fitness website. Please keep this to the groups, I'm sure there are plenty of Dr. Oz-based groups on here.

    Chit chat, fun and games there bucko. Doesnt need to be fitness related in this section, in case you couldnt tell from all the "rate me" threads.

    It was a reference to another thread that got shut down.

    that is good to know
  • mjrkearney
    mjrkearney Posts: 408 Member
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    I realize this is risking great flame and is completely off-topic, but Dr. Oz is actually a highly regarded heart surgeon. One of the best in the country. Not that this has anything to do with his television show, but a "quack" he is not.
  • Dave198lbs
    Dave198lbs Posts: 8,810 Member
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    I realize this is risking great flame and is completely off-topic, but Dr. Oz is actually a highly regarded heart surgeon. One of the best in the country. Not that this has anything to do with his television show, but a "quack" he is not.

    Dr. Oz is a *kitten* who hasnt seen the inside of an operating room since Oprah unleashed him on us years ago
  • jetscreaminagain
    jetscreaminagain Posts: 1,130 Member
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    No.

    And no ethical therapist engages in this sort of thing.

    Just. No.

    And **** Dr. Oz if he's promoting this crap. It is worse than the BS he's done with Rasperry ketones and all that other ****. **** him.
  • jetscreaminagain
    jetscreaminagain Posts: 1,130 Member
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    And a ****ing heart surgeon needs to shut the **** up about things that are not heart surgery.

    Or would he like me to start having opinions about cardio-thoracic medicine that I push on my show.

    Again. No ethical therapist engages in this half-witted, oppresive bull****.

    I feel kindda strongly about this.
  • jojorh
    jojorh Posts: 9 Member
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    That is so awesome! Way to word it!
  • triggsta
    triggsta Posts: 140
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  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
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    anyone think that in some circumstances sexual orientation can be the result of abuse by older males at a young age?


    This certainly seems to be at least highly correlated if not causative...

    ...but then that would seem to challenge the majority position of being born that way.


    ETA: Oh, and Dr. Oz is an idiot.
  • jojorh
    jojorh Posts: 9 Member
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    Choosing to be gay is silly. Life is so hard being gay, and exspecially when your brought up that it is wrong. I wish people would just accept people for who they are, but lets face it, there are so many predidouse for the color of ones skin and even how much money they have However, we CAN MAKE A CHANGE! And it starts with one, then becomes two etc....
  • Dave198lbs
    Dave198lbs Posts: 8,810 Member
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    is it possible to think it is wrong but also to accept those that are?
  • ilyahna
    ilyahna Posts: 96 Member
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    Sexual orientation being 'wrong' one way or another is entirely culturally based. . In Ancient Greece, it was not an unusual belief that women were beneath men intellectually and that it was debasing to lie with one for ultimate satisfaction. Unfortunately (and I hesitate to bring it up because I worry I'll be labeled an advocate for the wrong things), it's also true that women used to marry at the age of 11 and no one sent men to jail for it. Why? Because society said it was OK.

    Anyone looking into studies / therapies like this should really look at who is behind them. Who funds it? What is their agenda? I can guarantee you it isn't 'happiness and well-being for all.'

    From a therapist's perspective, it's not difficult to assume that men and women who identify as gay or lesbian experience a deal of hardship in living their life as they want (and need to), and doing so can include (and probably often does) feelings of guilt, shame, worry, loneliness, and feeling misunderstood. I say only that these are the feelings associated with anyone who feels others find them 'in need of repair,' especially family members. Why would reparative therapy appear to 'work?' Perhaps there are those that came to their orientation due to an intense mistrust of the other sex, but my guess is these are not many. My guess is that for those for whom it 'worked,' they simply made an unconscious choice in their psyche to behave in a way that produced feelings of acceptance - it's a strong desire for most folks in this world. A very human thing.

    Think about that when you judge people, and their actions.
  • jetscreaminagain
    jetscreaminagain Posts: 1,130 Member
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    anyone think that in some circumstances sexual orientation can be the result of abuse by older males at a young age?


    GAH!!!! NOOOOOO NOO No no no!

    This is precisely the **** that keeps men who were abused from getting the help they need. They're already worried they were abused by sick pedophiles because something about them magically said, please, hurt me, even though I'm 5 or 8 or 12 or 15 or whatever, and may or may not have a clue about sex, I'm actually gay. Or they think because they were abused they are gay. Or they think if they let anyone know they were abused those people will think they are gay.

    Trust me. Some old guy with a beard power rapes a woman, that doesn't make that woman think old guys with beards are hot.

    Why on ****ing earth would a poor kid that was sexually abused by a sick guy (not a homosexual, because we're talking about pedophilia here) means that now they are attracted to men.

    That's just stupid thinking. Dumb. And stupid. And culturally prevalent, so no disrespect for thinking it. But its dumb and doesn't make any sense and is really more a measure of how effed up we are as a society that that is how we think about stuff.

    But no. Gay is different from sexual abuse survivor. And Gay is different from pedophilia. And sexual abuse survivors are primarily straight, like the rest of the population. And pedophiles are primarily straight (in marriages with children) like the rest of the population.
  • MoreBean13
    MoreBean13 Posts: 8,701 Member
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    Ideas like "conversion therapy" are toxic, and they trickle down, resulting in middle schoolers being bullied and committing suicide.

    I don't give a hoot if an adult chooses to pursue changing their sexual orientation, but when those adults poison the minds of others and children end up tortured because of it, I have a big problem.

    Edit...I just feel like I have to clarify. This almost makes it sound like I'm OK with conversion therapy on an individual basis for adults- I am not. Just the fact that it exists is toxic, and will always be 'out there' as an 'option', indirectly hurting kids.
  • juliecat1
    juliecat1 Posts: 3,455 Member
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    It's important to note that all major medical and counseling associations have taken the stance that homosexuality is not a disorder. American Psychological Association (APA) says: Homosexuality is not considered a mental disorder, so we do not recommend "curing" same-sex attraction in any case. Instead, societal ignorance, prejudice and pressure to conform to heterosexual desires are the real dangers to gay people's mental health.

    No one decides their orientation. It's not an over bearing mothers fault or an absent fathers. It's not birth order, race, abuse... It just is.
    I can not wait until people can be more than JUST tolerant. When it's not even a discussion who or how you love.
  • JennyLisT
    JennyLisT Posts: 402 Member
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    Y'know, I'm still waiting for all of my straight friends to tell me about the moment they chose to be straight. They all seem very hush, hush about it.

    I actually had someone tell me that I'm bisexual because I'm indecisive. That was a fun conversation. :huh:
  • kennethmgreen
    kennethmgreen Posts: 1,759 Member
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    is it possible to think it is wrong but also to accept those that are?
    Of course it's possible, as demonstrated by the OP and some of the early posts that followed.

    Though being tired of those "flamboyant gays" that "seem to be flaunting for the sole purpose of flaunting" probably doesn't fall into the "acceptance" bucket.
  • AntWrig
    AntWrig Posts: 2,273 Member
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    How can you change something that was biologically hardwired?
  • ladytinkerbell99
    ladytinkerbell99 Posts: 970 Member
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    I'm happy to see tolerance on the forum. I appreciate that some people do not agree with a lifestyle choice, but are willing to publicly state they accept homosexuality as something that just is. I am no expert, and haven't formally studied the issue, and there are smarter people on here than me (and Dr. Oz) that could probably discuss this issue better. My attitude toward being gay has evolved somewhat over the years, but I've never been able to make sense of the notion that someone could *choose* their sexual identity.

    I think the idea of "reparative therapy" is fear and shame-based. The name alone implies something is "broken" and needs repairing. I think there are people who may be gay but live a straight lifestyle because they are surrounded by intolerance and ignorance, or maybe simply scared of their own truth. In my opinion, that's what needs repairing. I can't imagine denying something so fundamental about who you are and trying to live a life against that.

    ^You are an extremely intelligent young man and I agree 100%:flowerforyou:

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