going vegetarian in 2013
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isn't that done so they wont cannibalize/ peck at each other ie stop them from harming on another. I've had chickens and they are mean.Veggie friend here! I don't miss meat at all cause I never really liked eat in the first place, but I've found that there are a lot of foods I love (rice pilaf, bloody mary's, McDonalds fries (drunk college days!
) that are made with meat products. I've loosened my standards, and I need to get more on track. Also, if you are concerned about the humaneness of it, try buying free range and local eggs and milk. It's way more expensive, but corporate farms treat animals terribly even if they are not raising them to be killed. Feel free to friend me! I love trying to incorporate new food things into my way of life!
- Most male chicks get killed soon after hatching.
- Male calves are killed, either soon after birth or when they are sent to slaughter.
- When dairy cows stop giving milk, they are sent to slaughter.
- When chickens stop laying, they are sent to slaughter.
The sad truth is, regardless of what type of farm it is (factory farm, local organic farm, etc.), animals that don't produce something are generally killed or sent to slaughter, otherwise farms have to spend money to care for animals who don't give any return--not a good business practice. Even if you buy eggs from the person down the road who lets their hens live out their natural lives, their brothers were killed as babies.
Before I gave up eggs I bought free range eggs from trader joes. I later found out that even though they are free range they still cut their beaks. The imagery made me really sad and I quit eggs that moment.
The hens my family had never did that. However, pecking at each other, and picking at themselves is a common sign of stress in all birds.0 -
I will say this I do get annoyed by the same basic and lack of vegetarian dishes restaurants offer. They could be more accommodating.
I agree... Where I am there are very few places that have meat free options. One reason why my husband and I don't go out to eat as much as we used to.
I have been vegetarian since Father's Day of this year (that was my last meat meal). It is still a struggle sometimes as people don't seem to understand. I've had two friends try to argue with me that I can still eat chicken. I know I can still eat chicken, I just choose to not eat any form of meat. I still have a lot of people questioning me as to why I choose to eat the way I do.
There are a lot of options out these days for vegetarians and vegans which is great! If you like the meat substitutes there are TONS out there. I don't eat a lot of them but some are great!
I'm still learning how to ensure I get the nutrtition I need. Protein is my main thing and I have found a lot of ways to incorporate it.
I'm learning as I go.. feel free to add me!0 -
An FYI about restaurants: Some of them actually have a separate menu with vegetarian dishes that you can ask for (as with pretty much any dietary restriction). Some have better options than others, but you have to at least ask. I generally, at chains, end up with a couple side dishes and I've found a lot of places' creamy soups do not have chicken broth in them.
But if you want to really not go wrong and have a good, wide selection, go for Indian.0 -
Nope, but I have given it thought, but when I really think about I realize it's not for me. Good luck though!0
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Good luck to you. I am going from vegetarian to vegan. I love cooking and I love creating new recipes and converting many recipes to vegan recipes. I collect cook books and I have probably over 20 vegetarian cook books. When you first start being a vegetarian you might want to include some of the Morningstar or Boca products. I started including some of them until I learned to prepare wholesome products from scratch. I now make over 50 different burger like products, meat like loafs, chili, pasta sauce, lasagna, and etc. without burger crumbles. Veggie stir fries are terrific. Veggie coconut almond oatmeal cookies and orange spice cookies taste great. There are so many recipes for vegetarians just waiting to be tried. Good luck to you and welcome to the world of vegetarians.0
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I agree that being vegetarian isn't all that difficult.
Over the last 20 years or so, many vegetarian convenience foods have come on the market. So, if you are a person who doesn't enjoy cooking from scratch, you can still eat a good variety of foods with a minimal amount of preparation.
And, if are the sort of person who enjoys culinary creating, you can still do that--plating elegant food, as well as downhome favorites.
In other words, each vegetarian diet can be unique to individual tastes and lifestyle preferences. And, it can all work beautifully.
^^agreed.
I have been a vegetarian for nearly 25 years and it really is not that hard and has got a lot easier. You just need to 'keep an eye' on your protein which I assume you will be doing as you are logging here. There are some restrictions but if you are not averse to 'fake meat' it really is not difficult at all - just swap out what would normally be meat. Although I do miss bacon...they just cannot seem to make a good fake bacon *sigh*. If you eat a well balanced diet you should not have any issues with macro or micronutient deficiencies. It can be a little annoying when you go out to restaurants. Most in my area are really good with vegetarian options but there have been a few times I have had to have a plate of steamed veggies or a salad. You will find appetizers are your friend!
You may want to join this group:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/45-happy-herbivores0 -
I agree that being vegetarian isn't all that difficult.
Over the last 20 years or so, many vegetarian convenience foods have come on the market. So, if you are a person who doesn't enjoy cooking from scratch, you can still eat a good variety of foods with a minimal amount of preparation.
And, if are the sort of person who enjoys culinary creating, you can still do that--plating elegant food, as well as downhome favorites.
In other words, each vegetarian diet can be unique to individual tastes and lifestyle preferences. And, it can all work beautifully.
^^agreed.
I have been a vegetarian for nearly 25 years and it really is not that hard and has got a lot easier. You just need to 'keep an eye' on your protein which I assume you will be doing as you are logging here. There are some restrictions but if you are not averse to 'fake meat' it really is not difficult at all - just swap out what would normally be meat. Although I do miss bacon...they just cannot seem to make a good fake bacon *sigh*. If you eat a well balanced diet you should not have any issues with macro or micronutient deficiencies. It can be a little annoying when you go out to restaurants. Most in my area are really good with vegetarian options but there have been a few times I have had to have a plate of steamed veggies or a salad. You will find appetizers are your friend!
You may want to join this group:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/45-happy-herbivores
This sounds weird, but when I first became a veggie bacon was the one thing I missed. I found smoked almonds cured the craving. They're smoky, and fatty just like bacon.0 -
This sounds weird, but when I first became a veggie bacon was the one thing I missed. I found smoked almonds cured the craving. They're smoky, and fatty just like bacon.
Thank you for the suggestion.0 -
Yes! I ate lots of meat over Christmas and then ate leftovers before new year and today i have had no meat and do not intend on buying any again until easter!
In fact we are hoping that 50% of our diet will be RAW vegan food, by February when we will get a dehydrator!!
I will still buy meat on special occasions, from the community farm down the road.0 -
My main thought when I read that was he was doing it wrong. I WISH I could be skinny just because I eat a vegetarian diet! lol My life would be much easier.
Alas, not so. Still have to watch calories and exercise and stuff. My salads are more than 300 calories. :-)
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ditto.
I have been veggie for over 30 years. still working on skinny.0 -
While I'm sure those are excellent and helpful links, I really wish people would stop saying that being a vegetarian is difficult. Being a healthy ovo-lacto vegetarian isn't any more difficult than being a healthy omnivore. The basics of the diet are really the same, lots of veggies, some starches/whole grains, and some source of protein. It's the healthy part that requires more adjustment for most people, not the no meat part. Being vegan is slightly more effort, but not really that much, the only really special thing you need to do is take B12--a pill a couple of times a week or a descent multivitamin is really not a big deal. Going out to eat will never be the same, but most restaurant food is pretty unhealthy anyway, and the healthier places are likely to be the most accommodating.
THIS! It annoys me that people are always "warning" that being a vegetarian is extremely difficult. It is not! I mean, I was never one of those people who ate meat at every meal or even every day so perhaps I don't understand what the huge adjustment is, but seriously people...it's not that hard. Eat healthy whole foods whether you eat meat or not. You can be a "sickly" omnivore just as easily!
Completely agree. Well said.0 -
I became a vegetarian at some point in the mid-90s. It was not a difficult transition at all. In fact, it wasn't really a conscious decision. I just realized one day that I hadn't eaten meat in several months and didn't miss it. I did resume eating fish for a few years, but gave that up several months ago.0
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Becoming a vegetarian or vegan is tough. Whatever your source of calories, it is about calories in and calories out. It is easier for a vegetarian/vegan because there is a lot less fat consumption (9 claories a gram).
I have been listening and studying both vegan and low carb "experts" and I ultimately decided to go starch-based (McDougall diet and Jeff Novick).
If you are seriously interested in your health (as well as weight loss) here are some videos that will help you.
Eating packaged foods.
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/29711025
If you want to learn about starch-based diets:
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/30989976
McDougall's Maximum Weight Loss:
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/30630278
The psychology of losing weight:
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/29711020
and
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/29711021
There are more videos but I believe these are very important videos to watch anyone who wants to transition from a meat to non-meat diet.
Feel free to message me for more information, please watch your fat and sodium intake when eating refined foods (package foods).
While I'm sure those are excellent and helpful links, I really wish people would stop saying that being a vegetarian is difficult. Being a healthy ovo-lacto vegetarian isn't any more difficult than being a healthy omnivore. The basics of the diet are really the same, lots of veggies, some starches/whole grains, and some source of protein. It's the healthy part that requires more adjustment for most people, not the no meat part. Being vegan is slightly more effort, but not really that much, the only really special thing you need to do is take B12--a pill a couple of times a week or a descent multivitamin is really not a big deal. Going out to eat will never be the same, but most restaurant food is pretty unhealthy anyway, and the healthier places are likely to be the most accommodating.
Those are my opinion as I have been meat, dairy and seafood free for 2 years. Try watching the links about your B12 comments. I also said those videos are a start.
There is no such thing as a healthy ovo-laco vegetarian. Oh look, my opinion again.0 -
There is no such thing as a healthy ovo-laco vegetarian. Oh look, my opinion again.
lolz0 -
There is no such thing as a healthy ovo-laco vegetarian. Oh look, my opinion again.
With all due respect, your opinion is absurd.0 -
My blood work and my doctor would tend to disagree...
There is no such thing as a healthy ovo-laco vegetarian. Oh look, my opinion again.0 -
Becoming a vegetarian or vegan is tough. Whatever your source of calories, it is about calories in and calories out. It is easier for a vegetarian/vegan because there is a lot less fat consumption (9 claories a gram).
I have been listening and studying both vegan and low carb "experts" and I ultimately decided to go starch-based (McDougall diet and Jeff Novick).
If you are seriously interested in your health (as well as weight loss) here are some videos that will help you.
Eating packaged foods.
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/29711025
If you want to learn about starch-based diets:
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/30989976
McDougall's Maximum Weight Loss:
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/30630278
The psychology of losing weight:
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/29711020
and
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/29711021
There are more videos but I believe these are very important videos to watch anyone who wants to transition from a meat to non-meat diet.
Feel free to message me for more information, please watch your fat and sodium intake when eating refined foods (package foods).
While I'm sure those are excellent and helpful links, I really wish people would stop saying that being a vegetarian is difficult. Being a healthy ovo-lacto vegetarian isn't any more difficult than being a healthy omnivore. The basics of the diet are really the same, lots of veggies, some starches/whole grains, and some source of protein. It's the healthy part that requires more adjustment for most people, not the no meat part. Being vegan is slightly more effort, but not really that much, the only really special thing you need to do is take B12--a pill a couple of times a week or a descent multivitamin is really not a big deal. Going out to eat will never be the same, but most restaurant food is pretty unhealthy anyway, and the healthier places are likely to be the most accommodating.
Those are my opinion as I have been meat, dairy and seafood free for 2 years. Try watching the links about your B12 comments. I also said those videos are a start.
There is no such thing as a healthy ovo-laco vegetarian. Oh look, my opinion again.
Please, please, please give me a prevue by telling me what *reliable* vegan source of B12 your links will lead me to that numerous vegan nutrition experts (e.g. Jack Norris, Virginia Messina, Brenda Davis, and Vesanto Melina to name a few) are somehow unaware of, I would love to see it. Please note that seaweed, and other ocean plants do not have consistent, or particularly high levels of B12, so relying on them is not a good idea. Nutritional yeast, another common source is fortified with B12, so eating it is no different than taking a pill.
Also, you presented your opinion as fact, I countered with my opinion in a polite fashion. It's called having a conversation. There is no reason to get snippy.0 -
While I'm sure those are excellent and helpful links, I really wish people would stop saying that being a vegetarian is difficult. Being a healthy ovo-lacto vegetarian isn't any more difficult than being a healthy omnivore. The basics of the diet are really the same, lots of veggies, some starches/whole grains, and some source of protein. It's the healthy part that requires more adjustment for most people, not the no meat part. Being vegan is slightly more effort, but not really that much, the only really special thing you need to do is take B12--a pill a couple of times a week or a descent multivitamin is really not a big deal. Going out to eat will never be the same, but most restaurant food is pretty unhealthy anyway, and the healthier places are likely to be the most accommodating.
THIS! It annoys me that people are always "warning" that being a vegetarian is extremely difficult. It is not! I mean, I was never one of those people who ate meat at every meal or even every day so perhaps I don't understand what the huge adjustment is, but seriously people...it's not that hard. Eat healthy whole foods whether you eat meat or not. You can be a "sickly" omnivore just as easily!
Completely agree. Well said.
The reason why being a vegetarian/vegan is difficult is because, depending on which diet you eat, you will get healthy or fatter. Chocolate and soda is considered vegan.
Eating healthy is the proper term, like whole foods, or plant strong, or starch-based. What does being a vegetarian mean? What does being a vegan mean? That is why I said in my original post that being healthy is what people strive to be.
People can turn to begin a vegan purely because of their love for animals. That has nothing to do with eating healthy. That is why I posted those hour long videos for the new beginner to watch.0 -
Becoming a vegetarian or vegan is tough. Whatever your source of calories, it is about calories in and calories out. It is easier for a vegetarian/vegan because there is a lot less fat consumption (9 claories a gram).
I have been listening and studying both vegan and low carb "experts" and I ultimately decided to go starch-based (McDougall diet and Jeff Novick).
If you are seriously interested in your health (as well as weight loss) here are some videos that will help you.
Eating packaged foods.
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/29711025
If you want to learn about starch-based diets:
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/30989976
McDougall's Maximum Weight Loss:
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/30630278
The psychology of losing weight:
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/29711020
and
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/29711021
There are more videos but I believe these are very important videos to watch anyone who wants to transition from a meat to non-meat diet.
Feel free to message me for more information, please watch your fat and sodium intake when eating refined foods (package foods).
While I'm sure those are excellent and helpful links, I really wish people would stop saying that being a vegetarian is difficult. Being a healthy ovo-lacto vegetarian isn't any more difficult than being a healthy omnivore. The basics of the diet are really the same, lots of veggies, some starches/whole grains, and some source of protein. It's the healthy part that requires more adjustment for most people, not the no meat part. Being vegan is slightly more effort, but not really that much, the only really special thing you need to do is take B12--a pill a couple of times a week or a descent multivitamin is really not a big deal. Going out to eat will never be the same, but most restaurant food is pretty unhealthy anyway, and the healthier places are likely to be the most accommodating.
Those are my opinion as I have been meat, dairy and seafood free for 2 years. Try watching the links about your B12 comments. I also said those videos are a start.
There is no such thing as a healthy ovo-laco vegetarian. Oh look, my opinion again.
Please, please, please give me a prevue by telling me what *reliable* vegan source of B12 your links will lead me to that numerous vegan nutrition experts (e.g. Jack Norris, Virginia Messina, Brenda Davis, and Vesanto Melina to name a few) are somehow unaware of, I would love to see it. Please note that seaweed, and other ocean plants do not have consistent, or particularly high levels of B12, so relying on them is not a good idea. Nutritional yeast, another common source is fortified with B12, so eating it is no different than taking a pill.
Also, you presented your opinion as fact, I countered with my opinion in a polite fashion. It's called having a conversation. There is no reason to get snippy.
Instead of singling out my post, why didn't you create a new one? Also, I gave links for the OP to watch for her to make up her mind, you just have to say what is on your mind and that's it. Seems to me you are the one who is the rude one.0 -
Oy. It's not difficult or complicated. And certainly not a rigid, black/white proposition. Why discourage people by making it unnecessarily so?
While I'm sure those are excellent and helpful links, I really wish people would stop saying that being a vegetarian is difficult. Being a healthy ovo-lacto vegetarian isn't any more difficult than being a healthy omnivore. The basics of the diet are really the same, lots of veggies, some starches/whole grains, and some source of protein. It's the healthy part that requires more adjustment for most people, not the no meat part. Being vegan is slightly more effort, but not really that much, the only really special thing you need to do is take B12--a pill a couple of times a week or a descent multivitamin is really not a big deal. Going out to eat will never be the same, but most restaurant food is pretty unhealthy anyway, and the healthier places are likely to be the most accommodating.
THIS! It annoys me that people are always "warning" that being a vegetarian is extremely difficult. It is not! I mean, I was never one of those people who ate meat at every meal or even every day so perhaps I don't understand what the huge adjustment is, but seriously people...it's not that hard. Eat healthy whole foods whether you eat meat or not. You can be a "sickly" omnivore just as easily!
Completely agree. Well said.
The reason why being a vegetarian/vegan is difficult is because, depending on which diet you eat, you will get healthy or fatter. Chocolate and soda is considered vegan.
Eating healthy is the proper term, like whole foods, or plant strong, or starch-based. What does being a vegetarian mean? What does being a vegan mean? That is why I said in my original post that being healthy is what people strive to be.
People can turn to begin a vegan purely because of their love for animals. That has nothing to do with eating healthy. That is why I posted those hour long videos for the new beginner to watch.0 -
While I'm sure those are excellent and helpful links, I really wish people would stop saying that being a vegetarian is difficult. Being a healthy ovo-lacto vegetarian isn't any more difficult than being a healthy omnivore. The basics of the diet are really the same, lots of veggies, some starches/whole grains, and some source of protein. It's the healthy part that requires more adjustment for most people, not the no meat part. Being vegan is slightly more effort, but not really that much, the only really special thing you need to do is take B12--a pill a couple of times a week or a descent multivitamin is really not a big deal. Going out to eat will never be the same, but most restaurant food is pretty unhealthy anyway, and the healthier places are likely to be the most accommodating.
THIS! It annoys me that people are always "warning" that being a vegetarian is extremely difficult. It is not! I mean, I was never one of those people who ate meat at every meal or even every day so perhaps I don't understand what the huge adjustment is, but seriously people...it's not that hard. Eat healthy whole foods whether you eat meat or not. You can be a "sickly" omnivore just as easily!
Completely agree. Well said.
The reason why being a vegetarian/vegan is difficult is because, depending on which diet you eat, you will get healthy or fatter. Chocolate and soda is considered vegan.
Eating healthy is the proper term, like whole foods, or plant strong, or starch-based. What does being a vegetarian mean? What does being a vegan mean? That is why I said in my original post that being healthy is what people strive to be.
People can turn to begin a vegan purely because of their love for animals. That has nothing to do with eating healthy. That is why I posted those hour long videos for the new beginner to watch.
You started your post with these words "becoming a vegetarian or vegan is tough." There is no mention of health, although you quickly make it clear that you are assuming weight loss is the goal. You are correct that a veg*n diet is not necessarily healthy or low calorie, but I don't think anyone here is claiming otherwise. In fact, several people have pointed out that they were/are overweight veg*ns. Moreover, I clearly state that transitioning to and maintaining a *healthy* diet is difficult for many people, not maintaining a veg*n diet.
Also note that the OP does not state that her reasons for the switch are health related. She closes her post with this "Dont nesc. think meat is wrong-- still not sure exactly what I think -- but I do think it's sad, and no longer for me." If anything, this would seem to imply that her reasons for the change are not health related, for example, "I do think it's sad."0 -
So, I'm gluten-free for medical reasons, and through trial and error have discovered I feel healthier and more energetic when I also eat vegetarian, but with the gluten-free problems, I'm hesitant to willingly impose more restrictions on my diet even though I know it makes me feel better.
Also, most meat substitute products are chock full o' wheat glutens.
And even if I ever did go veggie, I think I'd still *occasionally* eat the super organic farm raised type meats. Happier meat = tastier meat.
I don't even know what I'm talking about.0 -
Becoming a vegetarian or vegan is tough. Whatever your source of calories, it is about calories in and calories out. It is easier for a vegetarian/vegan because there is a lot less fat consumption (9 claories a gram).
I have been listening and studying both vegan and low carb "experts" and I ultimately decided to go starch-based (McDougall diet and Jeff Novick).
If you are seriously interested in your health (as well as weight loss) here are some videos that will help you.
Eating packaged foods.
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/29711025
If you want to learn about starch-based diets:
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/30989976
McDougall's Maximum Weight Loss:
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/30630278
The psychology of losing weight:
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/29711020
and
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/29711021
There are more videos but I believe these are very important videos to watch anyone who wants to transition from a meat to non-meat diet.
Feel free to message me for more information, please watch your fat and sodium intake when eating refined foods (package foods).
While I'm sure those are excellent and helpful links, I really wish people would stop saying that being a vegetarian is difficult. Being a healthy ovo-lacto vegetarian isn't any more difficult than being a healthy omnivore. The basics of the diet are really the same, lots of veggies, some starches/whole grains, and some source of protein. It's the healthy part that requires more adjustment for most people, not the no meat part. Being vegan is slightly more effort, but not really that much, the only really special thing you need to do is take B12--a pill a couple of times a week or a descent multivitamin is really not a big deal. Going out to eat will never be the same, but most restaurant food is pretty unhealthy anyway, and the healthier places are likely to be the most accommodating.
Those are my opinion as I have been meat, dairy and seafood free for 2 years. Try watching the links about your B12 comments. I also said those videos are a start.
There is no such thing as a healthy ovo-laco vegetarian. Oh look, my opinion again.
Please, please, please give me a prevue by telling me what *reliable* vegan source of B12 your links will lead me to that numerous vegan nutrition experts (e.g. Jack Norris, Virginia Messina, Brenda Davis, and Vesanto Melina to name a few) are somehow unaware of, I would love to see it. Please note that seaweed, and other ocean plants do not have consistent, or particularly high levels of B12, so relying on them is not a good idea. Nutritional yeast, another common source is fortified with B12, so eating it is no different than taking a pill.
Also, you presented your opinion as fact, I countered with my opinion in a polite fashion. It's called having a conversation. There is no reason to get snippy.
Instead of singling out my post, why didn't you create a new one? Also, I gave links for the OP to watch for her to make up her mind, you just have to say what is on your mind and that's it. Seems to me you are the one who is the rude one.
My post was not rude, and I do not understand why you feel singled out. You made a statement, I disagreed (politely I think, I even acknowledged that the links you supplied may well be helpful). I quoted your post because you started it with a point that I firmly disagree with, specifically, "becoming a vegetarian or vegan is tough." I have been a vegetarian for over a decade, I have transitioned to a diet that involves at most a few teaspoons of dairy a month and no eggs. I have been an unhealthy vegetarian and a healthy one. Being an unhealthy vegetarian was certainly easier than being a healthy one, but being an unhealthy omnivore is far easier than being a healthy omnivore. My point was this: being healthy takes effort, avoiding certain foods is generally quite easy.
Edited to add: I'd still love to hear about a reliable, natural, vegan B12 source.0 -
There is no such thing as a healthy ovo-laco vegetarian. Oh look, my opinion again.
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Healthy ovo-lacto vegetarian.
Your 'opinion' is invalid.0 -
I don't even know what I'm talking about.
This cracked me up! Happy New Year 0 -
There is no such thing as a healthy ovo-laco vegetarian. Oh look, my opinion again.
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Healthy ovo-lacto vegetarian.
Your 'opinion' is invalid.
Invalid might not be the entirely correct. Inconsistent with both anecdotal evidence (i.e. several people in this thread, and many others in the world) and not consistent with generally accepted medical/nutritional information, or current scientific research. Wait...0 -
Becoming a vegetarian or vegan is tough. Whatever your source of calories, it is about calories in and calories out. It is easier for a vegetarian/vegan because there is a lot less fat consumption (9 claories a gram).
I have been listening and studying both vegan and low carb "experts" and I ultimately decided to go starch-based (McDougall diet and Jeff Novick).
If you are seriously interested in your health (as well as weight loss) here are some videos that will help you.
Eating packaged foods.
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/29711025
If you want to learn about starch-based diets:
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/30989976
McDougall's Maximum Weight Loss:
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/30630278
The psychology of losing weight:
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/29711020
and
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/29711021
There are more videos but I believe these are very important videos to watch anyone who wants to transition from a meat to non-meat diet.
Feel free to message me for more information, please watch your fat and sodium intake when eating refined foods (package foods).
While I'm sure those are excellent and helpful links, I really wish people would stop saying that being a vegetarian is difficult. Being a healthy ovo-lacto vegetarian isn't any more difficult than being a healthy omnivore. The basics of the diet are really the same, lots of veggies, some starches/whole grains, and some source of protein. It's the healthy part that requires more adjustment for most people, not the no meat part. Being vegan is slightly more effort, but not really that much, the only really special thing you need to do is take B12--a pill a couple of times a week or a descent multivitamin is really not a big deal. Going out to eat will never be the same, but most restaurant food is pretty unhealthy anyway, and the healthier places are likely to be the most accommodating.
Those are my opinion as I have been meat, dairy and seafood free for 2 years. Try watching the links about your B12 comments. I also said those videos are a start.
There is no such thing as a healthy ovo-laco vegetarian. Oh look, my opinion again.
Please, please, please give me a prevue by telling me what *reliable* vegan source of B12 your links will lead me to that numerous vegan nutrition experts (e.g. Jack Norris, Virginia Messina, Brenda Davis, and Vesanto Melina to name a few) are somehow unaware of, I would love to see it. Please note that seaweed, and other ocean plants do not have consistent, or particularly high levels of B12, so relying on them is not a good idea. Nutritional yeast, another common source is fortified with B12, so eating it is no different than taking a pill.
Also, you presented your opinion as fact, I countered with my opinion in a polite fashion. It's called having a conversation. There is no reason to get snippy.
Instead of singling out my post, why didn't you create a new one? Also, I gave links for the OP to watch for her to make up her mind, you just have to say what is on your mind and that's it. Seems to me you are the one who is the rude one.
My post was not rude, and I do not understand why you feel singled out. You made a statement, I disagreed (politely I think, I even acknowledged that the links you supplied may well be helpful). I quoted your post because you started it with a point that I firmly disagree with, specifically, "becoming a vegetarian or vegan is tough." I have been a vegetarian for over a decade, I have transitioned to a diet that involves at most a few teaspoons of dairy a month and no eggs. I have been an unhealthy vegetarian and a healthy one. Being an unhealthy vegetarian was certainly easier than being a healthy one, but being an unhealthy omnivore is far easier than being a healthy omnivore. My point was this: being healthy takes effort, avoiding certain foods is generally quite easy.
Edited to add: I'd still love to hear about a reliable, natural, vegan B12 source.
Instead of arguing with someone who tried to support the transition to a vegetarian lifestyle, why don't you supply links that will help the OP so others can politely disagree with your opinions.0 -
Becoming a vegetarian or vegan is tough. Whatever your source of calories, it is about calories in and calories out. It is easier for a vegetarian/vegan because there is a lot less fat consumption (9 claories a gram).
While I'm sure those are excellent and helpful links, I really wish people would stop saying that being a vegetarian is difficult. Being a healthy ovo-lacto vegetarian isn't any more difficult than being a healthy omnivore. The basics of the diet are really the same, lots of veggies, some starches/whole grains, and some source of protein. It's the healthy part that requires more adjustment for most people, not the no meat part. Being vegan is slightly more effort, but not really that much, the only really special thing you need to do is take B12--a pill a couple of times a week or a descent multivitamin is really not a big deal. Going out to eat will never be the same, but most restaurant food is pretty unhealthy anyway, and the healthier places are likely to be the most accommodating.
Those are my opinion as I have been meat, dairy and seafood free for 2 years. Try watching the links about your B12 comments. I also said those videos are a start.
There is no such thing as a healthy ovo-laco vegetarian. Oh look, my opinion again.
Please, please, please give me a prevue by telling me what *reliable* vegan source of B12 your links will lead me to that numerous vegan nutrition experts (e.g. Jack Norris, Virginia Messina, Brenda Davis, and Vesanto Melina to name a few) are somehow unaware of, I would love to see it. Please note that seaweed, and other ocean plants do not have consistent, or particularly high levels of B12, so relying on them is not a good idea. Nutritional yeast, another common source is fortified with B12, so eating it is no different than taking a pill.
Also, you presented your opinion as fact, I countered with my opinion in a polite fashion. It's called having a conversation. There is no reason to get snippy.
Instead of singling out my post, why didn't you create a new one? Also, I gave links for the OP to watch for her to make up her mind, you just have to say what is on your mind and that's it. Seems to me you are the one who is the rude one.
My post was not rude, and I do not understand why you feel singled out. You made a statement, I disagreed (politely I think, I even acknowledged that the links you supplied may well be helpful). I quoted your post because you started it with a point that I firmly disagree with, specifically, "becoming a vegetarian or vegan is tough." I have been a vegetarian for over a decade, I have transitioned to a diet that involves at most a few teaspoons of dairy a month and no eggs. I have been an unhealthy vegetarian and a healthy one. Being an unhealthy vegetarian was certainly easier than being a healthy one, but being an unhealthy omnivore is far easier than being a healthy omnivore. My point was this: being healthy takes effort, avoiding certain foods is generally quite easy.
Edited to add: I'd still love to hear about a reliable, natural, vegan B12 source.
Instead of arguing with someone who tried to support the transition to a vegetarian lifestyle, why don't you supply links that will help the OP so others can politely disagree with your opinions.
I will gladly supply the OP with links as well as book recommendations if she asks for them. However, her original post only asked if anyone was going veggie, and I responded that I was veggie, wished her luck, and invited her to friend me in case she wanted friends who don't eat meat. All perfectly reasonable.
I responded to your post because it began with what I consider to be a major piece of misinformation, specifically the words "becoming a vegetarian or vegan is tough." These are exactly the sort of words that scare people away from vegetarian and vegan diets, not a very helpful thing to say to someone who is just starting out. I am sure you did not intent to discourage her, and you provided her with information that is potentially useful, but I responded because I wanted to make the counter point that I, and many other people, do not find it difficult to maintain a vegetarian or vegan diet, and to point out that healthier diets typically take more work than unhealthy diets, regardless of whether one chooses to eat meat, dairy, or eggs.0 -
I just want to interject that it's important for vegans to get a reliable source of vitamin B12. Some plants (such as seaweeds) have a substance that tests as vitamin B12 in the lab, but is actually a precursor to vitamin B12 which cannot be used by the body.
I have made this a careful study, due to an early misadventure of mine in the 1970's when I first went vegan. At the time, the literature said that most people had vitamin B12 stores in their bodies which would last at least 5 years. Not. so.
After a year, my red cells were big, immature, and didn't hold enough hemoglobin to power me: classic pernicious anemia due to vitamin B12 deficiency. I had many other subtle symptoms which were no fun: a white streak in my hair; low mood; lack of energy.
My suggestion: take the little pink pill that tastes vaguely like berries at least a few times a week. It can help you avoid problems.0 -
How can that be an opinion? There either are or there are not healthy lacto-ovo vegetarians. I am one and according to all my blood work and examinations by physicians, as well as how I FEEL and LOOK (skin, hair, etc.), I am a healthy lacto-ovo vegetarian. Therefore, your "opinion" is wrong.There is no such thing as a healthy ovo-laco vegetarian. Oh look, my opinion again.
If I said it's my opinion that the sky is green or that it snows in the summer and is hot in the winter, wouldn't you scratch your head over that?0
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