Did you know your body has a natural fat burner?

Scrimples

Yeah but I'm not talking about prerogatives or choices or preferences. I'm talking about what "processed" even means. From everything I've seen, it's just a BS term people use to label foods they don't like as "bad."

"Processed foods are any foods altered from it's natural state. However, when people speak of limiting or cutting out processed foods they are usually speaking about a narrower definition. In these instances people are speaking of foods that are chemically altered through additives, artificial colors, preservatives, stabilizers, fillers, and the like and/or are manufactured in a way to damage the nutritional integrity of the food."



When I speak of prerogatives I am addressing the other person's post regarding what people do with their food.

DavPul

auroranflash

It's a hormone that starts with the letter A i forget exactly what it's called. Also you need to be as stress free as possible because when your stressed wether its bad or good stress this other hormone calle cestrol I think that's what it's called anyways it cannot determine the difference between an emergency stressful situation or a positive stressful situation so cestrol releases and cause you to be hungry when you may not be. Anyway here are a few things that can help lose fat/belly fat naurally without having to diet, take pills, or count calories even though I will still count my calories.

1. NO concintrated juices
2. NO processed foods.
3. NO margarine (use butter instead)
4. NO whole wheat bread
5. NO bread(in general), pasta and other "comfort foods".
6. NO high carb meals.
7. NO apple pie, cakes, muffins, pizza.
8. EAT nutrient dense foods.
9. DRINK green tea. (Donot waste calories on a drink)
10. NO proccessed soy(soy milk, tofu, soy protein).
11. EAT snap peas, green beans, and other legumes.
12. NO genetically modified foods.
13. NO energy gars.
14. NO soda/soft drinks, sports drinks or other sugary drinks.
15. NO canned soups
16. NO microwaveable popcorn (old fashioned air popped is okay)
17. NO foods labeld diet, or fat free.

An energy gar would be a terrifying fish.

geebusuk

I suspect my point was (hey, I'm tired, it's past my bed time, but someone on the internet is WRONG*) that the people choosing to go for 'unprocessed' foods often do it for the wrong reasons.

And yes, chewing is also a form of processing.
Results quite like a 'food processor' actually .

The point with this unusual way of looking at it is to illustrate that our body doesn't actually 'use' a whole carrot - so if you pay for a carrot that's been mushed already (lets say recently, but by someone else, to make it easy), there's little difference bar the calories required to cruch said carrot. Similarly, if you add some water and sugar to that carrot, versus drinking the sugar and water before after.

If it works for you; makes sense.
For some people it seems to be a case that they're intolerant to an ingredient or another in foods, but find it easier to buy single-ingredient foods rather than work out which one. And again, that may well be a sensible option.
But for many, they seem to do this just because someone told them it was the 'one true path' to healthiness - for me I'm sure getting the right vitamins does help, but it's only one piece in the overall puzzle.
And on that, blanket dislike for 'additives' annoys me. What if I use an 'additive' of some leek to my potato soup; for some, describing it with that word immediately makes it bad.


*If you haven't seen the XKCD cartoon, do ignore - I certainly don't claim to know enough to be right.

Natihilator

7. NO apple pie, cakes, muffins, pizza.

*WHEW* that's a relief because I like key lime pie a lot more.

76tech

7. NO apple pie, cakes, muffins, pizza.

*WHEW* that's a relief because I like key lime pie a lot more.

Strawberry rhubarb for me.

And beer. I see no mention of NO beer on the list. Yay.

kelly_e_montana

In a perfect world, this is how I strive to eat. I actually did almost all of this for about 4 months and lost 35 of my 45 pounds, much quicker than I have lost counting calories and sticking to MFP. But, it's not workable long-term for me.

LiftAllThePizzas

But for many, they seem to do this just because someone told them it was the 'one true path' to healthiness ...

Yeah, this is what I'm talking about. People talk about "processed" foods obviously using it as a pejorative, but "processed" in the way they are using it is a meaningless word with a circular definition. It's a loaded language fallacy best I can tell.

Scrimples

I'm really starting to think that perhaps people are jumping to the conclusion that *all* people who choose to eat in a different way, like choosing less processed or unprocessed options to eating less or eliminating sugar, are somehow trying to assert that they are superior in some way or all knowing or even judging of other's choices or don't have any clue about what they are doing. Is that the core of all the derision around here? Obviously some people are going to be that way (regardless of their dietary choices), some will even tell you that this is the only way to be (obviously or we wouldn't be on this thread), but to conclude that everyone is like that is a shame.

LiftAllThePizzas

No, I'm not interested in how you personally choose to eat. I just want someone to define what "processed" means, because people keep using it to demonize foods. You just did it again. People choose not to eat processed foods, yadda. Again it's circular. They choose not to eat foods because those foods are processed, because processed foods must be bad somehow, and that's why they choose not to eat them.

Perhaps if you substituted the word "processed" with "fiddle-dee-doo" you might see the absurdity of the usage of the word "processed" around here.

EvaD12

My body has 2 natural fat burners, they are called my legs and if I use them lots for things other than sitting down it works really well.

Scrimples

No, I'm not interested in how you personally choose to eat. I just want someone to define what "processed" means, because people keep using it to demonize foods. You just did it again. People choose not to eat processed foods, yadda. Again it's circular. They choose not to eat foods because those foods are processed, because processed foods must be bad somehow, and that's why they choose not to eat them.

Perhaps if you substituted the word "processed" with "fiddle-dee-doo" you might see the absurdity of the usage of the word "processed" around here.

How about you let John's Hopkins Center explain it to you then... http://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/teaching-the-food-system/curriculum/_pdf/Food_Processing-Background.pdf

What you are looking for is the minimally processed portion. If you actually talk to people who try this lifestyle they are mostly following the elimination of the highly refined foods as described on page two while going light on the foods described in the processed portion.

Scrimples

I suspect my point was (hey, I'm tired, it's past my bed time, but someone on the internet is WRONG*) that the people choosing to go for 'unprocessed' foods often do it for the wrong reasons.

And yes, chewing is also a form of processing.
Results quite like a 'food processor' actually .

The point with this unusual way of looking at it is to illustrate that our body doesn't actually 'use' a whole carrot - so if you pay for a carrot that's been mushed already (lets say recently, but by someone else, to make it easy), there's little difference bar the calories required to cruch said carrot. Similarly, if you add some water and sugar to that carrot, versus drinking the sugar and water before after.

If it works for you; makes sense.
For some people it seems to be a case that they're intolerant to an ingredient or another in foods, but find it easier to buy single-ingredient foods rather than work out which one. And again, that may well be a sensible option.
But for many, they seem to do this just because someone told them it was the 'one true path' to healthiness - for me I'm sure getting the right vitamins does help, but it's only one piece in the overall puzzle.
And on that, blanket dislike for 'additives' annoys me. What if I use an 'additive' of some leek to my potato soup; for some, describing it with that word immediately makes it bad.


*If you haven't seen the XKCD cartoon, do ignore - I certainly don't claim to know enough to be right.

I actually started this when I did find out I was allergic to things and had to start really paying attention to the ingredients. That close scrutiny made me question whether I wanted to or needed to eat those foods. Then after having to do an elimination diet where I was required to eat from only a few dozen foods for a while and then add foods back slowly to gauge reaction I discovered that I felt better without most of the processed stuff. A leek would be an ingredient not an additive and then you'd have some nice vichyssoise. What I do is ask myself what would be yummier and healthier canned or homemade vichyssoise? I'll look at the can and see something like extra sugar or salt or any of the other 3000 food additives that can legally be put into and wonder, "why would you need to add sugar to it? I never needed to put hydrolyzed corn syrup in my vichyssoise. Pass." I don't see it as vilifying any foods. I see it as choosing to make a healthier and usually tastier option, because at home I can control what is in it. Nothing wrong with that in my mind.

You are absolutely right that not all additives are bad, actually I personally won't condemn any of them straight out as we are always learning new things. If you use salt or pepper in food you have an additive after all. The legal FDA definition of food additives is technically, "any substance the intended use of which results or may reasonably be expected to result -- directly or indirectly -- in its becoming a component or otherwise affecting the characteristics of any food." Yeah not exactly put in consumer friendly terms, but they do have a list of all of the legal additives on their site though. http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodIngredientsPackaging/FoodAdditives/FoodAdditiveListings/ucm091048.htm

foxfe

shes pretty much right....don't think NO. Think ANYTHING that comes from earth that isn't altered by humans is "A" ok. And all the other stuff, moderation if you must have it! Lots of WATER! and a "free day" will help your metabolism from plateauing.

chocl8girl

LMAO. Nope.

spamantha57

Lots of WATER! and a "free day" will help your metabolism from plateauing.

What's a free day? Can I take lots of them? Cuz they're free & all...

norcal_yogi

you mean adrenaline? lol at all this

Shadowknight137

OH, I get it.

"Natural fat burner" refers to how one can intuitively ("naturally") lose weight and/or body fat following all of these commandm-suggestions WITHOUT counting calories! It's essentially a Paleo, low carb diet that - transitioning from a diet of junk food and "unhealthy" eating - people can naturally "burn fat" on.
What a brilliant idea, truly marvellous in fact. Really.

Why this was posted on a calorie counting forum - where people are *already counting calories and have a basic idea of as to how nutrition works* is another story altogether...

<|3

PrincessT82

1. NO concintrated juices
2. NO processed foods.
3. NO margarine (use butter instead)
4. NO whole wheat bread
5. NO bread(in general), pasta and other "comfort foods".
6. NO high carb meals.
7. NO apple pie, cakes, muffins, pizza.
8. EAT nutrient dense foods.
9. DRINK green tea. (Donot waste calories on a drink)
10. NO proccessed soy(soy milk, tofu, soy protein).
11. EAT snap peas, green beans, and other legumes.
12. NO genetically modified foods.
13. NO energy gars.
14. NO soda/soft drinks, sports drinks or other sugary drinks.
15. NO canned soups
16. NO microwaveable popcorn (old fashioned air popped is okay)
17. NO foods labeld diet, or fat free.

Yah... there's just no point living like that. You will have to pry the bread and pasta out of my cold, dead hands.

maddmaddie

Yeahhhhh, no thanks. I'd rather enjoy my food, watch my portions, and workout at the gym instead.

Thank you very much!

Admiral_Derp

This thread needs more controversial gifs...



...that oughtta help the atmos!

jenilla1

...What I do is ask myself what would be yummier and healthier canned or homemade vichyssoise? I'll look at the can and see something like extra sugar or salt or any of the other 3000 food additives that can legally be put into and wonder, "why would you need to add sugar to it? I never needed to put hydrolyzed corn syrup in my vichyssoise. Pass." I don't see it as vilifying any foods. I see it as choosing to make a healthier and usually tastier option, because at home I can control what is in it. Nothing wrong with that in my mind.

Exactly. There is nothing controversial about what you are saying. Don't know why anybody would need to get defensive about it. :flowerforyou:

SwimFan1981

lol @ no wholewheat bread

ericahassinistermotives

This list is telling me to give up my fruit juice and pb+j?

Never!

Viva_Karina

geebusuk

The legal FDA definition of food additives is technically, "any substance the intended use of which results or may reasonably be expected to result -- directly or indirectly -- in its becoming a component or otherwise affecting the characteristics of any food."

Seems like a leek could fall under that definition!

Interestingly (being in the UK), the Cambridge English Dictionary defines 'additive' as:
>>an artificial substance added to food to give it taste or colour<<
It seems the list of 'E numbers' the EU has is a legal list of 'additives', yet we have things like Calcium Carbonate (lime scale), gold and Oxygen, never mind stuff like E162 which is listed as "natural extract from beetroot".

Scrimples

The legal FDA definition of food additives is technically, "any substance the intended use of which results or may reasonably be expected to result -- directly or indirectly -- in its becoming a component or otherwise affecting the characteristics of any food."

Seems like a leek could fall under that definition!

Interestingly (being in the UK), the Cambridge English Dictionary defines 'additive' as:
>>an artificial substance added to food to give it taste or colour<<
It seems the list of 'E numbers' the EU has is a legal list of 'additives', yet we have things like Calcium Carbonate (lime scale), gold and Oxygen, never mind stuff like E162 which is listed as "natural extract from beetroot".

I in no way claim that the FDA makes sense. Though as a leek is not on the list it is either illegal here or not considered a food additive. Note to self: Check on the legalities of harboring illegal produce.

LiftAllThePizzas

...What I do is ask myself what would be yummier and healthier canned or homemade vichyssoise? I'll look at the can and see something like extra sugar or salt or any of the other 3000 food additives that can legally be put into and wonder, "why would you need to add sugar to it? I never needed to put hydrolyzed corn syrup in my vichyssoise. Pass." I don't see it as vilifying any foods. I see it as choosing to make a healthier and usually tastier option, because at home I can control what is in it. Nothing wrong with that in my mind.

Exactly. There is nothing controversial about what you are saying. Don't know why anybody would need to get defensive about it. :flowerforyou:

Nobody is defensive. I keep seeing people use the terms "processed" and "eating clean" all over the forums as if they actually mean something. For example, the OP said cut out processed foods. If you're going to give people advice on what to eat perhaps you should include enough information for them to be able to use that advice. Assuming someone is stupid enough to follow the advice in the OP, how does anyone expect them to go through a grocery store and pick out which foods are or are not processed? (Especially when butter is listed as OK on that same list.) And assuming some of the million times on here when people advise someone to "cut out processed foods" they might try to follow that advise, how again are they supposed to decide that in a way that everyone who goes through the grocery store labeling everything as processed or not processed comes out with the same results?

deksgrl

< ---- Drinks Beer, lots and lots of it, it's not on that list so it must be okay.

allisona28

There is no way I'd be stress free while trying to abide by all those restrictions

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! ME TOO!!!!!