Daily protein too high on MFP?
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Okay guys, I didn't mean for this to turn into a giant debate. As far as getting my sources from "they" and the internet, the FDA says at least 50 grams. And Mayo Clinic say 10-35%.
When I started this question I hadn't seen the 10-35% information, just one source that said 46, which is why MFP's recommendation of 120 seemed so high. Now I know that I should get between 40 and 120 grams.
An OP not looking to create drama - LOVE it!
Just my two cents... I'm trying very hard to eat more protein and I've found it has helped (immensely) with controlling cravings and hunger while on a deficit.
Best of luck to you!0 -
Why have there been no 30 year studies about the affect of high protein diets on cancer/disease? Oh... wait... there have been... it's called the declining health of the American population. It's simply common sense.
You should probably take an intro statistics course before making statements like this little gem. And of course a refresher on logical fallacies and argumentation.
yeah that sounds boring.
It may be boring, but it may also lay a foundation to help make you sound like you at least have an inkling as to what you're spouting off. Currently all you seem to do is cherry pick the parts of a limited amount of debunked research in an attempt to support your ideas. At least if your stats made sense your line of bs would appear credible.
But hey, Bill Clinton is alive so that proves something. Personally I think that it proves that getting bj's may extend your life expectency as you have someting to live for.
nothing in nutrition has, or ever will be officially "proven". it's simply all a conglomeration of studies that have a high correlation. thus why there are so many opinions, nutrition plans, fad diets, etc, etc.
If you, and anyone else on these boards, want to think that a massive increase in meat consumption has absolutely nothing to do with the current health crisis in America, that's your prerogative.0 -
The consumption of fruits and vegetables also increased since the 1970's. I think I am going to decide to blame the 'health crisis' on that!0
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Oh, and milk consumption decreased!0
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The consumption of fruits and vegetables also increased since the 1970's. I think I am going to decide to blame the 'health crisis' on that!
welp. that is an option.
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Why have there been no 30 year studies about the affect of high protein diets on cancer/disease? Oh... wait... there have been... it's called the declining health of the American population. It's simply common sense.
You should probably take an intro statistics course before making statements like this little gem. And of course a refresher on logical fallacies and argumentation.
yeah that sounds boring.
It may be boring, but it may also lay a foundation to help make you sound like you at least have an inkling as to what you're spouting off. Currently all you seem to do is cherry pick the parts of a limited amount of debunked research in an attempt to support your ideas. At least if your stats made sense your line of bs would appear credible.
But hey, Bill Clinton is alive so that proves something. Personally I think that it proves that getting bj's may extend your life expectency as you have someting to live for.
nothing in nutrition has, or ever will be officially "proven". it's simply all a conglomeration of studies that have a high correlation. thus why there are so many opinions, nutrition plans, fad diets, etc, etc.
If you, and anyone else on these boards, want to think that a massive increase in meat consumption has absolutely nothing to do with the current health crisis in America, that's your prerogative.
Here, I think you may find this helpful while making your next agrument:
I just think it's rather ridiculous of you to blame it on an increase in protein without considering differently we treat our sources of food now than our food sources 100 years ago. You're honing in on one aspect of a diet without even considering the variables involved in sourcing that diet. It's an ignorant perspective, as our food does not exist in a bubble. When you consider the health of a populous you also have to consider the engineering of the food.0 -
Why have there been no 30 year studies about the affect of high protein diets on cancer/disease? Oh... wait... there have been... it's called the declining health of the American population. It's simply common sense.
You should probably take an intro statistics course before making statements like this little gem. And of course a refresher on logical fallacies and argumentation.
yeah that sounds boring.
It may be boring, but it may also lay a foundation to help make you sound like you at least have an inkling as to what you're spouting off. Currently all you seem to do is cherry pick the parts of a limited amount of debunked research in an attempt to support your ideas. At least if your stats made sense your line of bs would appear credible.
But hey, Bill Clinton is alive so that proves something. Personally I think that it proves that getting bj's may extend your life expectency as you have someting to live for.
nothing in nutrition has, or ever will be officially "proven". it's simply all a conglomeration of studies that have a high correlation. thus why there are so many opinions, nutrition plans, fad diets, etc, etc.
If you, and anyone else on these boards, want to think that a massive increase in meat consumption has absolutely nothing to do with the current health crisis in America, that's your prerogative.
Here, I think you may find this helpful while making your next agrument:
I just think it's rather ridiculous of you to blame it on an increase in protein without considering differently we treat our sources of food now than our food sources 100 years ago. You're honing in on one aspect of a diet without even considering the variables involved in sourcing that diet. It's an ignorant perspective, as our food does not exist in a bubble. When you consider the health of a populous you also have to consider the engineering of the food.
i... completely agree... when did i say that the increase in meat was the ONLY factor? in fact somewhere in this thread I said that it's simply one of many factors.
In a thread about daily protein intake requirements, I'm not going to talk about GMOs, processed foods, hydrogenated vegetable oils, etc, etc
But from the sound of it, you would like me to. Though I'm sure many here would disagree.
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Google "confirmation bias".I just think it's rather ridiculous of you to blame it on an increase in protein without considering differently we treat our sources of food now than our food sources 100 years ago. You're honing in on one aspect of a diet without even considering the variables involved in sourcing that diet. It's an ignorant perspective, as our food does not exist in a bubble....0 -
Google "confirmation bias".I just think it's rather ridiculous of you to blame it on an increase in protein without considering differently we treat our sources of food now than our food sources 100 years ago. You're honing in on one aspect of a diet without even considering the variables involved in sourcing that diet. It's an ignorant perspective, as our food does not exist in a bubble....
y'all should do the same. there are studies to support whatever you're looking to support. whether that goes for you crazy IIFYM folks or the loony vegetables-are-healthier-than-meat people like me.0 -
I get over 126 grams of protein a day between breakfast and lunch. So i usually end the day around 160-180. Long story short... protein is pretty much awesome so don't skimp on it.0
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Google "confirmation bias".I just think it's rather ridiculous of you to blame it on an increase in protein without considering differently we treat our sources of food now than our food sources 100 years ago. You're honing in on one aspect of a diet without even considering the variables involved in sourcing that diet. It's an ignorant perspective, as our food does not exist in a bubble....
y'all should do the same. there are studies to support whatever you're looking to support. whether that goes for you crazy IIFYM folks or the loony vegetables-are-healthier-than-meat people like me.
That's why you look at the entirety of evidence available not single studies, but you did scoff at a meta analysis so I guess that's not really your style0 -
Google "confirmation bias".I just think it's rather ridiculous of you to blame it on an increase in protein without considering differently we treat our sources of food now than our food sources 100 years ago. You're honing in on one aspect of a diet without even considering the variables involved in sourcing that diet. It's an ignorant perspective, as our food does not exist in a bubble....
y'all should do the same. there are studies to support whatever you're looking to support. whether that goes for you crazy IIFYM folks or the loony vegetables-are-healthier-than-meat people like me.
That's why you look at the entirety of evidence available not single studies, but you did scoff at a meta analysis so I guess that's not really your style
lol ok fair - you got me. Now that I know you've read every one of the hundred thousand nutrition studies that have ever been done, I bow to your infinite wisdom.
just seems odd that so many professional nutritionists and doctors disagree with you...0 -
Google "confirmation bias".I just think it's rather ridiculous of you to blame it on an increase in protein without considering differently we treat our sources of food now than our food sources 100 years ago. You're honing in on one aspect of a diet without even considering the variables involved in sourcing that diet. It's an ignorant perspective, as our food does not exist in a bubble....
y'all should do the same. there are studies to support whatever you're looking to support. whether that goes for you crazy IIFYM folks or the loony vegetables-are-healthier-than-meat people like me.
That's why you look at the entirety of evidence available not single studies, but you did scoff at a meta analysis so I guess that's not really your style
lol ok fair - you got me. Now that I know you've read every one of the hundred thousand nutrition studies that have ever been done, I bow to your infinite wisdom.
just seems odd that so many professional nutritionists and doctors disagree with you...
and many agree.0 -
I'm kind of puzzled why anyone is citing the population of 100 years ago as any kind of paragon of health. Life expectancy at birth (cohort) in Britain 1913: Men 56, Women, 62.
Cancer rates probably lower because most people died before they could die of cancer.
A large proportion of the working class population were malnourished....0 -
I think it may have something to do with the fact that he's only 66 years old and still SHOULD be alive...why is Bill Clinton alive today? He's a vegan. Doncha think he might have access to the very best information out there? If the science supported higher levels of protein, the dozens and dozens of doctors and scientists who support the China Study wouldn't do so. Or am I wrong about that?
you realize he had a massive heart attack right? and eating a plant-based diet has been proven to reverse heart disease.
OR maybe just dieting in general would do that.0 -
I think it may have something to do with the fact that he's only 66 years old and still SHOULD be alive...why is Bill Clinton alive today? He's a vegan. Doncha think he might have access to the very best information out there? If the science supported higher levels of protein, the dozens and dozens of doctors and scientists who support the China Study wouldn't do so. Or am I wrong about that?
you realize he had a massive heart attack right? and eating a plant-based diet has been proven to reverse heart disease.
OR maybe just dieting in general would do that.
lol not at all true. you can be on a "diet" and eat tons of artery clogging foods. just ask the ketogenic fans on the boards. (though they'll scream that cholesterol doesn't clog arteries)0 -
Google "confirmation bias".I just think it's rather ridiculous of you to blame it on an increase in protein without considering differently we treat our sources of food now than our food sources 100 years ago. You're honing in on one aspect of a diet without even considering the variables involved in sourcing that diet. It's an ignorant perspective, as our food does not exist in a bubble....
y'all should do the same. there are studies to support whatever you're looking to support. whether that goes for you crazy IIFYM folks or the loony vegetables-are-healthier-than-meat people like me.
That's why you look at the entirety of evidence available not single studies, but you did scoff at a meta analysis so I guess that's not really your style
lol ok fair - you got me. Now that I know you've read every one of the hundred thousand nutrition studies that have ever been done, I bow to your infinite wisdom.
just seems odd that so many professional nutritionists and doctors disagree with you...
and many agree.
how many nutritional classes are doctors required to take throughout their decade of training?0 -
Google "confirmation bias".I just think it's rather ridiculous of you to blame it on an increase in protein without considering differently we treat our sources of food now than our food sources 100 years ago. You're honing in on one aspect of a diet without even considering the variables involved in sourcing that diet. It's an ignorant perspective, as our food does not exist in a bubble....
y'all should do the same. there are studies to support whatever you're looking to support. whether that goes for you crazy IIFYM folks or the loony vegetables-are-healthier-than-meat people like me.
That's why you look at the entirety of evidence available not single studies, but you did scoff at a meta analysis so I guess that's not really your style
lol ok fair - you got me. Now that I know you've read every one of the hundred thousand nutrition studies that have ever been done, I bow to your infinite wisdom.
just seems odd that so many professional nutritionists and doctors disagree with you...
and many agree.
how many nutritional classes are doctors required to take throughout their decade of training?
Very few unless they specialize ...but I am not sure what point you are trying to make...but if you feel like it, you can insult my comprehension skills again.0 -
I think it may have something to do with the fact that he's only 66 years old and still SHOULD be alive...why is Bill Clinton alive today? He's a vegan. Doncha think he might have access to the very best information out there? If the science supported higher levels of protein, the dozens and dozens of doctors and scientists who support the China Study wouldn't do so. Or am I wrong about that?
you realize he had a massive heart attack right? and eating a plant-based diet has been proven to reverse heart disease.
OR maybe just dieting in general would do that.
lol not at all true. you can be on a "diet" and eat tons of artery clogging foods. just ask the ketogenic fans on the boards. (though they'll scream that cholesterol doesn't clog arteries)
So, losing weight does not improve health markers?0 -
I think it may have something to do with the fact that he's only 66 years old and still SHOULD be alive...why is Bill Clinton alive today? He's a vegan. Doncha think he might have access to the very best information out there? If the science supported higher levels of protein, the dozens and dozens of doctors and scientists who support the China Study wouldn't do so. Or am I wrong about that?
you realize he had a massive heart attack right? and eating a plant-based diet has been proven to reverse heart disease.
OR maybe just dieting in general would do that.
lol not at all true. you can be on a "diet" and eat tons of artery clogging foods. just ask the ketogenic fans on the boards. (though they'll scream that cholesterol doesn't clog arteries)
So, losing weight does not improve health markers?
how many athletes dying of heart attacks do I need to list to prove that being a "healthy" weight =/= actual health0 -
I think it may have something to do with the fact that he's only 66 years old and still SHOULD be alive...why is Bill Clinton alive today? He's a vegan. Doncha think he might have access to the very best information out there? If the science supported higher levels of protein, the dozens and dozens of doctors and scientists who support the China Study wouldn't do so. Or am I wrong about that?
you realize he had a massive heart attack right? and eating a plant-based diet has been proven to reverse heart disease.
OR maybe just dieting in general would do that.
lol not at all true. you can be on a "diet" and eat tons of artery clogging foods. just ask the ketogenic fans on the boards. (though they'll scream that cholesterol doesn't clog arteries)
So, losing weight does not improve health markers?
how many athletes dying of heart attacks do I need to list to prove that being a "healthy" weight =/= actual health
You did not answer the question...as usual.0 -
I think it may have something to do with the fact that he's only 66 years old and still SHOULD be alive...why is Bill Clinton alive today? He's a vegan. Doncha think he might have access to the very best information out there? If the science supported higher levels of protein, the dozens and dozens of doctors and scientists who support the China Study wouldn't do so. Or am I wrong about that?
you realize he had a massive heart attack right? and eating a plant-based diet has been proven to reverse heart disease.
OR maybe just dieting in general would do that.
lol not at all true. you can be on a "diet" and eat tons of artery clogging foods. just ask the ketogenic fans on the boards. (though they'll scream that cholesterol doesn't clog arteries)
So, losing weight does not improve health markers?
how many athletes dying of heart attacks do I need to list to prove that being a "healthy" weight =/= actual health
You did not answer the question...as usual.
my bad.
losing weight. it obviously makes you healthier, but not AS healthy as you could be if you did it eating real foods. thus my comment about athletes who are perceived as "healthy" but are at just as high a risk of heart disease as anyone else, unless they eat correctly.0 -
I think it may have something to do with the fact that he's only 66 years old and still SHOULD be alive...why is Bill Clinton alive today? He's a vegan. Doncha think he might have access to the very best information out there? If the science supported higher levels of protein, the dozens and dozens of doctors and scientists who support the China Study wouldn't do so. Or am I wrong about that?
you realize he had a massive heart attack right? and eating a plant-based diet has been proven to reverse heart disease.
OR maybe just dieting in general would do that.
lol not at all true. you can be on a "diet" and eat tons of artery clogging foods. just ask the ketogenic fans on the boards. (though they'll scream that cholesterol doesn't clog arteries)
So, losing weight does not improve health markers?
how many athletes dying of heart attacks do I need to list to prove that being a "healthy" weight =/= actual health
You did not answer the question...as usual.
my bad.
losing weight. it obviously makes you healthier, but not AS healthy as you could be if you did it eating real foods. thus my comment about athletes who are perceived as "healthy" but are at just as high a risk of heart disease as anyone else, unless they eat correctly.
So vegetarians don't die from heart disease? If it's been "proven" to reverse it according to you, then we shouldn't see any die from it, correct?0 -
I think it may have something to do with the fact that he's only 66 years old and still SHOULD be alive...why is Bill Clinton alive today? He's a vegan. Doncha think he might have access to the very best information out there? If the science supported higher levels of protein, the dozens and dozens of doctors and scientists who support the China Study wouldn't do so. Or am I wrong about that?
you realize he had a massive heart attack right? and eating a plant-based diet has been proven to reverse heart disease.
OR maybe just dieting in general would do that.
lol not at all true. you can be on a "diet" and eat tons of artery clogging foods. just ask the ketogenic fans on the boards. (though they'll scream that cholesterol doesn't clog arteries)
So, losing weight does not improve health markers?
how many athletes dying of heart attacks do I need to list to prove that being a "healthy" weight =/= actual health
You did not answer the question...as usual.
my bad.
losing weight. it obviously makes you healthier, but not AS healthy as you could be if you did it eating real foods. thus my comment about athletes who are perceived as "healthy" but are at just as high a risk of heart disease as anyone else, unless they eat correctly.
That is a wild jump from your response to the comment "OR maybe just dieting in general would do that." with your response of "lol not at all true"
I am not exactly sure why athletes were brought into the conversation in any event. Also, where are your sources that athletes are at just as high a risk for heart disease as anyone else unless they eat correctly?0 -
I think it may have something to do with the fact that he's only 66 years old and still SHOULD be alive...why is Bill Clinton alive today? He's a vegan. Doncha think he might have access to the very best information out there? If the science supported higher levels of protein, the dozens and dozens of doctors and scientists who support the China Study wouldn't do so. Or am I wrong about that?
you realize he had a massive heart attack right? and eating a plant-based diet has been proven to reverse heart disease.
OR maybe just dieting in general would do that.
lol not at all true. you can be on a "diet" and eat tons of artery clogging foods. just ask the ketogenic fans on the boards. (though they'll scream that cholesterol doesn't clog arteries)
So, losing weight does not improve health markers?
how many athletes dying of heart attacks do I need to list to prove that being a "healthy" weight =/= actual health
You did not answer the question...as usual.
my bad.
losing weight. it obviously makes you healthier, but not AS healthy as you could be if you did it eating real foods. thus my comment about athletes who are perceived as "healthy" but are at just as high a risk of heart disease as anyone else, unless they eat correctly.
So vegetarians don't die from heart disease? If it's been "proven" to reverse it according to you, then we shouldn't see any die from it, correct?
yaaaay we've reached the point where y'all are just being intentionally obtuse!
lol that isn't according to me. all sorts of resources for you here. the second link is a conglomeration of a large number of other sources.
http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/guide/plant-based-diet-for-heart-health
http://engine2diet.com/resources-and-research/prevent-and-revearse-heart-disease/0 -
That is a wild jump from your response to the comment "OR maybe just dieting in general would do that." with your response of "lol not at all true"
I am not exactly sure why athletes were brought into the conversation in any event. Also, where are your sources that athletes are at just as high a risk for heart disease as anyone else unless they eat correctly?
I answered your question, please answer one of mine without extra commentary.
do you believe that a person who eats whatever they want (fast food, junk food, processed foods etc) but stays within their macro goals is EQUALLY as healthy (ie: will have equally good vitals) as someone who stays within their macro limit but only eats whole foods, lots of fruits and veggies, whole grains, and avoids processed foods?
I know this argument has been had before, but I want your straight forward, no extra BS answer.0 -
I think it may have something to do with the fact that he's only 66 years old and still SHOULD be alive...why is Bill Clinton alive today? He's a vegan. Doncha think he might have access to the very best information out there? If the science supported higher levels of protein, the dozens and dozens of doctors and scientists who support the China Study wouldn't do so. Or am I wrong about that?
you realize he had a massive heart attack right? and eating a plant-based diet has been proven to reverse heart disease.
OR maybe just dieting in general would do that.
lol not at all true. you can be on a "diet" and eat tons of artery clogging foods. just ask the ketogenic fans on the boards. (though they'll scream that cholesterol doesn't clog arteries)
So, losing weight does not improve health markers?
how many athletes dying of heart attacks do I need to list to prove that being a "healthy" weight =/= actual health
You did not answer the question...as usual.
my bad.
losing weight. it obviously makes you healthier, but not AS healthy as you could be if you did it eating real foods. thus my comment about athletes who are perceived as "healthy" but are at just as high a risk of heart disease as anyone else, unless they eat correctly.
So vegetarians don't die from heart disease? If it's been "proven" to reverse it according to you, then we shouldn't see any die from it, correct?
yaaaay we've reached the point where y'all are just being intentionally obtuse!
lol that isn't according to me. all sorts of resources for you here. the second link is a conglomeration of a large number of other sources.
http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/guide/plant-based-diet-for-heart-health
http://engine2diet.com/resources-and-research/prevent-and-revearse-heart-disease/
From http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/heartdiseasesprevention.html
Heart disease is the leading cause of the death in the U.S. Over one quarter of all deaths are from heart disease. It is also a major cause of disability. The risk of heart disease increases as you age. You have a greater risk of heart disease if you are a man over age 45 or a woman over age 55. You also are at greater risk if you have a close family member who had heart disease at an early age.
Fortunately, there are many things you can do reduce your chances of getting heart disease. You should
Know your blood pressure and keep it under control
Exercise regularly
Don't smoke
Get tested for diabetes and if you have it, keep it under control
Know your cholesterol and triglyceride levels and keep them under control
Eat a lot of fruits and vegetables
Maintain a healthy weight
From http://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/what_you_can_do.htm
Ways to reduce your risk of heart disease:
Eat a healthy diet. Choosing healthful meal and snack options can help you avoid heart disease and its complications. Be sure to eat plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables.
Eating foods low in saturated fat and cholesterol and high in fiber can help prevent high blood cholesterol. Limiting salt or sodium in your diet can also lower your blood pressure.
Maintain a healthy weight. Being overweight or obese can increase your risk for heart disease. To determine whether your weight is in a healthy range, doctors often calculate a number called the body mass index (BMI). Doctors sometimes also use waist and hip measurements to measure a person's excess body fat.
Exercise regularly. Physical activity can help you maintain a healthy weight and lower cholesterol and blood pressure. The Surgeon General recommends that adults should engage in moderate-intensity exercise for at least 30 minutes on most days of the week.
Don't smoke. Cigarette smoking greatly increases your risk for heart disease. So, if you don't smoke, don't start. If you do smoke, quitting will lower your risk for heart disease. Your doctor can suggest ways to help you quit.
Limit alcohol use. Avoid drinking too much alcohol, which causes high blood pressure.
I don't see meat or protein mentioned anywhere in either of them - I do see weight though.0 -
That is a wild jump from your response to the comment "OR maybe just dieting in general would do that." with your response of "lol not at all true"
I am not exactly sure why athletes were brought into the conversation in any event. Also, where are your sources that athletes are at just as high a risk for heart disease as anyone else unless they eat correctly?
we're gonna do this another way because you're ridiculous.
I answered your question, please answer one of mine without extra commentary.
do you believe that a person who eats whatever they want (fast food, junk food, processed foods etc) but stays within their macro goals is EQUALLY as healthy (ie: will have equally good vitals) as someone who stays within their macro limit but only eats whole foods, lots of fruits and veggies, whole grains, and avoids processed foods?
I know this argument has been had before, but I want your straight forward, no extra BS answer.
Ahhh...back to form with the insults!
You did not answer my question.0 -
I think it may have something to do with the fact that he's only 66 years old and still SHOULD be alive...why is Bill Clinton alive today? He's a vegan. Doncha think he might have access to the very best information out there? If the science supported higher levels of protein, the dozens and dozens of doctors and scientists who support the China Study wouldn't do so. Or am I wrong about that?
you realize he had a massive heart attack right? and eating a plant-based diet has been proven to reverse heart disease.
OR maybe just dieting in general would do that.
lol not at all true. you can be on a "diet" and eat tons of artery clogging foods. just ask the ketogenic fans on the boards. (though they'll scream that cholesterol doesn't clog arteries)
So, losing weight does not improve health markers?
how many athletes dying of heart attacks do I need to list to prove that being a "healthy" weight =/= actual health
You did not answer the question...as usual.
my bad.
losing weight. it obviously makes you healthier, but not AS healthy as you could be if you did it eating real foods. thus my comment about athletes who are perceived as "healthy" but are at just as high a risk of heart disease as anyone else, unless they eat correctly.
So vegetarians don't die from heart disease? If it's been "proven" to reverse it according to you, then we shouldn't see any die from it, correct?
yaaaay we've reached the point where y'all are just being intentionally obtuse!
lol that isn't according to me. all sorts of resources for you here. the second link is a conglomeration of a large number of other sources.
http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/guide/plant-based-diet-for-heart-health
http://engine2diet.com/resources-and-research/prevent-and-revearse-heart-disease/
Lol engine 2 diet site, confirmation bias much?0 -
I think it may have something to do with the fact that he's only 66 years old and still SHOULD be alive...why is Bill Clinton alive today? He's a vegan. Doncha think he might have access to the very best information out there? If the science supported higher levels of protein, the dozens and dozens of doctors and scientists who support the China Study wouldn't do so. Or am I wrong about that?
you realize he had a massive heart attack right? and eating a plant-based diet has been proven to reverse heart disease.
OR maybe just dieting in general would do that.
lol not at all true. you can be on a "diet" and eat tons of artery clogging foods. just ask the ketogenic fans on the boards. (though they'll scream that cholesterol doesn't clog arteries)
So, losing weight does not improve health markers?
how many athletes dying of heart attacks do I need to list to prove that being a "healthy" weight =/= actual health
You did not answer the question...as usual.
my bad.
losing weight. it obviously makes you healthier, but not AS healthy as you could be if you did it eating real foods. thus my comment about athletes who are perceived as "healthy" but are at just as high a risk of heart disease as anyone else, unless they eat correctly.
So vegetarians don't die from heart disease? If it's been "proven" to reverse it according to you, then we shouldn't see any die from it, correct?
yaaaay we've reached the point where y'all are just being intentionally obtuse!
lol that isn't according to me. all sorts of resources for you here. the second link is a conglomeration of a large number of other sources.
http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/guide/plant-based-diet-for-heart-health
http://engine2diet.com/resources-and-research/prevent-and-revearse-heart-disease/
From http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/heartdiseasesprevention.html
Heart disease is the leading cause of the death in the U.S. Over one quarter of all deaths are from heart disease. It is also a major cause of disability. The risk of heart disease increases as you age. You have a greater risk of heart disease if you are a man over age 45 or a woman over age 55. You also are at greater risk if you have a close family member who had heart disease at an early age.
Fortunately, there are many things you can do reduce your chances of getting heart disease. You should
Know your blood pressure and keep it under control
Exercise regularly
Don't smoke
Get tested for diabetes and if you have it, keep it under control
Know your cholesterol and triglyceride levels and keep them under control
Eat a lot of fruits and vegetables
Maintain a healthy weight
From http://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/what_you_can_do.htm
Ways to reduce your risk of heart disease:
Eat a healthy diet. Choosing healthful meal and snack options can help you avoid heart disease and its complications. Be sure to eat plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables.
Eating foods low in saturated fat and cholesterol and high in fiber can help prevent high blood cholesterol. Limiting salt or sodium in your diet can also lower your blood pressure.
Maintain a healthy weight. Being overweight or obese can increase your risk for heart disease. To determine whether your weight is in a healthy range, doctors often calculate a number called the body mass index (BMI). Doctors sometimes also use waist and hip measurements to measure a person's excess body fat.
Exercise regularly. Physical activity can help you maintain a healthy weight and lower cholesterol and blood pressure. The Surgeon General recommends that adults should engage in moderate-intensity exercise for at least 30 minutes on most days of the week.
Don't smoke. Cigarette smoking greatly increases your risk for heart disease. So, if you don't smoke, don't start. If you do smoke, quitting will lower your risk for heart disease. Your doctor can suggest ways to help you quit.
Limit alcohol use. Avoid drinking too much alcohol, which causes high blood pressure.
I don't see meat or protein mentioned anywhere in either of them - I do see weight though.
lol I do happen to see "eat lots of fruits and veggies" and "avoid foods with saturated fat and high sodium" 0
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