Added benefits of eating vegan
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being "vegan" wont help you lost weight at all. I had a teacher that was a vegetarian and he weighed about 300lbs. alot of people think that if your vegetarian or vegan that you will automatically become skinny but thats not true. a lot of times, people overeat because there not getting the right nutrients (protein, calcium), that you would get from a normal diet. Just like how if you dont drink enough water you eat more because your really thirsty and your body creates a small amount of water from breaking up food through hydrolysis. If anyone really wanted to be a vegetarian, you would have to work really hard at getting all of the amino acids that your body can not make by itself through complementary proteins and you would still be off a few. Eggs have all of the essential amino acids, and every vitamin and mineral except vitamin c. chicken, steak, turkey, fish all have all of the essential amino acids in a very small serving as opposed to huge peice of bread with beans and other various food you would have to eat as a vegetarian just to get the same amount of protein from meat. They are Essential because your body can't make them on it's own, it has to be ingested through diet0
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being "vegan" wont help you lost weight at all. I had a teacher that was a vegetarian and he weighed about 300lbs. alot of people think that if your vegetarian or vegan that you will automatically become skinny but thats not true. a lot of times, people overeat because there not getting the right nutrients (protein, calcium), that you would get from a normal diet. Just like how if you dont drink enough water you eat more because your really thirsty and your body creates a small amount of water from breaking up food through hydrolysis. If anyone really wanted to be a vegetarian, you would have to work really hard at getting all of the amino acids that your body can not make by itself through complementary proteins and you would still be off a few. Eggs have all of the essential amino acids, and every vitamin and mineral except vitamin c. chicken, steak, turkey, fish all have all of the essential amino acids in a very small serving as opposed to huge peice of bread with beans and other various food you would have to eat as a vegetarian just to get the same amount of protein from meat. They are Essential because your body can't make them on it's own, it has to be ingested through diet
That would be great information if there was no such thing as a complete protein that was not from an animal product, but there are. Quinoa, Tempeh, Tofu off the top of my head. And your theory also seems to somehow suggest that eating wide and varied foods is a bad thing. But anyway...
Everyone should have their own journey to find what is the right diet for them. It shouldn't be about 'what will make me lose x pounds', but more what diet is something I am comfortable eating for the rest of my life and helps me achieve my health goals. Once you have found it then great, I am not sure why people want to bad mouth others whose journey lead them somewhere else or attack it as a form of evangelizing 'their' diet.
There really isn't one right way of eating for 100% of the population.0 -
Try reading Rich Rolls finding ultra and tap into his podcasts. I love my meat too much to follow but its inspiring and shoots down any argument about not being able to get all your macros from vegan.0
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yeah i said through complementary proteins... did you read what i wrote? i.e. beans on whole grain toast.. they each have different amino acids in them.. i didnt say you couldn't, but that its much easier to have 4 oz of poultry, fish, eggs, or lean meat then to plan out completementary proteins every day.. and you are ingesting more calories by having complementary proteins vs having a small serving of meat. point being - if someone wants to be vegetarian or vegan just to loose weight, they would be better off not doing it. but if it is someones way of life that they choose, its alott of work to make sure your getting all of the protein/calcium that you need by not eating meat or dairy. also more expensive.0
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and its not a "theory" its scientific fact, im a nurse. theres people on here that really want to loose weight and think that becomming a vegetarian will make them loose weight faster -not true. and also if your not extremely knowledgable about what you are eating when cutting out large groups of food you can become malnourished/anemic.0
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yeah i said through complementary proteins... did you read what i wrote? i.e. beans on whole grain toast.. they each have different amino acids in them.. i didnt say you couldn't, but that its much easier to have 4 oz of poultry, fish, eggs, or lean meat then to plan out completementary proteins every day.. and you are ingesting more calories by having complementary proteins vs having a small serving of meat. point being - if someone wants to be vegetarian or vegan just to loose weight, they would be better off not doing it. but if it is someones way of life that they choose, its alott of work to make sure your getting all of the protein/calcium that you need by not eating meat or dairy. also more expensive.
how is it more expensive than a traditional diet?0 -
I didn't stop eating meat to lose weight, and it frustrates me that so many people on these forums jump on the bandwagon because they think it'll magically make them lose weight and become healthy.
I completely agree with you. I have much respect for anyone who has become a vegan for ethical reasons. I knew a vegan once who said she did it to lessen suffering. I respected her and would often ask her for vegan recipes. I see it as similar to someone who is practicing kosher there are bigger moral reasons. However, the vegan lose weight bandwagon is just ridiculous and I can bet that in 5-10years we will see these bandwagoners coming down with some serious vitamin deficencies. If your doing it to get a thigh gap then thats just silly.0 -
. If anyone really wanted to be a vegetarian, you would have to work really hard at getting all of the amino acids that your body can not make by itself through complementary proteins and you would still be off a few. Eggs have all of the essential amino acids, and every vitamin and mineral except vitamin c. chicken, steak, turkey, fish all have all of the essential amino acids in a very small serving as opposed to huge peice of bread with beans and other various food you would have to eat as a vegetarian just to get the same amount of protein from meat. They are Essential because your body can't make them on it's own, it has to be ingested through diet
It's pretty easy to get protein as a vegetarian and vegan. Qunioa and soy are "complete" proteins. It used to be thought that vegetarians needed to combine proteins at EACH meal but that's been disproven. As long as one has a varied diet, such as eating proteins from difference sources all day, that is not necessary.
For example one could have a smoothies at breakfast with protein. Mine is a soy protein.
Lunch one could have salad with some nuts and various veggies, all of which have protein.
Dinner could be a whole grain wrap with beans and veggies-proteins there.
Snacks could be nuts, seeds, fruits, ect....all of which have protein.0 -
yeah i said through complementary proteins... did you read what i wrote?
You are missing what I wrote. Tempeh, for instance, is a complete protein the same as a piece of meat. It does not need to be complimented with another protein, it contains all aminos, the same as a piece of beef.
Also, complimentary proteins do not need to be eaten together as part of a meal. The can be consumed at different meals in the same day, some research suggests even within a 48 hour period, but I digress.
The basic point, there are non animal proteins that are complete proteins that on their own provide all the amino acids. That is what I was pointing out was erroneous in your original post.0 -
im not talking to people that are already vegan or vegetarian im talking to people that on this website trying to become healthy/ loose weight and are looking at the "health benefits of becoming vegan" and thinking if they just stop eating meat they will majically become skinny. and damn for someone who doesnt eat red meat you sure are pretty vicious. chill out and eat a burger.. you know you want to..0
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Any diet that takes that much effort is not for me. Sorry. I respect anyone who can stick to a certain way of eating...such as vegan or paleo...but you know, it's hard enough for me to eat healthy but then to put all the restrictions in there...it would drive me nuts.0
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agreed!!0
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In response to the OP's question: After losing 70 pounds three years ago, my cholesterol levels remained average and my A1C levels remained slightly elevated even though my weight was in a normal range and I exercised regularly. My fasting blood sugar was always around 125.
I started eating a mostly vegan diet about 2.5 years ago because I was dating a vegan and had to cook that way. Within the first year, my cholesterol levels dropped by about 50 points (from 170 to 120), my A1C levels dropped into the normal range, and my fasting blood sugar levels fell below 100. My triglyceride levels also fell. Since changing my diet. I also have found it much easier to maintain my weight loss. While trying to lose the first 70 pounds on my old diet, I yo-yo'ed, but have kept my weight off with no problem eating mostly vegan. Last summer, I dropped an additional 15 pounds without counting calories when I started training for a half marathon - some of that has come back over the winter since I can't get out as much to run, but I haven't regained any of the original 70 pound loss.
I don't claim that the vegan diet is superior. I can say though, that even with my best efforts in exercise and losing 70 pounds, i was unable to see any positive changes in my bloodwork until I changed my diet. I know it isn't for everyone, but it seems to work for me.0 -
Soyacts like estrogen - soy foods = tofu, tempeh, edamame, miso, many veggie burgers, and other products made with soy flour contain isoflavones, which are chemically similar to estrogens. Two major types, genestein and daidzen, can act like estrogen in the body.
Estrogen = linked to hormonally-sensitive cancers in women, such as breast and endometrial cancer. Breast cells contain estrogen receptors, and when the "key" (estrogen) joins with the "lock" (the estrogen receptor), a series of signals are sent that are able to turn on estrogen-receptor (ER) positive breast tumor growth.
Once again, not talking to those who are already vegan becuase im sure you already know this.. this is for innocent people (mostly women who tend to be more diet conscious) thinking of becomming vegan/vegetarian to shed a few pounds.. know what your getting yourself into!0 -
anybody had daiya cheese?
Yes. It isn't bad at all. It melts well and works well in quesadillas. It's the best of the vegan cheeses I've tried. I don't think it's very nutritious though, so I don't use it often.0 -
Soyacts like estrogen - soy foods = tofu, tempeh, edamame, miso, many veggie burgers, and other products made with soy flour contain isoflavones, which are chemically similar to estrogens. Two major types, genestein and daidzen, can act like estrogen in the body.
Estrogen = linked to hormonally-sensitive cancers in women, such as breast and endometrial cancer. Breast cells contain estrogen receptors, and when the "key" (estrogen) joins with the "lock" (the estrogen receptor), a series of signals are sent that are able to turn on estrogen-receptor (ER) positive breast tumor growth.
Once again, not talking to those who are already vegan becuase im sure you already know this.. this is for innocent people (mostly women who tend to be more diet conscious) thinking of becomming vegan/vegetarian to shed a few pounds.. know what your getting yourself into!
There is PLENTY of estrogen in milk too. Unfair to say soy when Dairy is huge in it. After all, dairy comes from nursing female animals.
Foods Containing Natural Estrogens
Note: Those rich in isoflavones are underlined while those foods rich in glutamate are in bold.
Alfalfa
Animal flesh
Anise seed
Apples
Baker's yeast
Barley
Beets
Carrots
Cherries
Chickpeas (garbanzo beans)
Clover
Cowpeas (black- eyed peas)
Cucumbers
Dairy Foods***
Dates
Eggs
Eggplant
Fennel
Flaxseeds
Garlic
Hops
Licorice
Oats
Olive oil
Olives
Papaya
Parsley
Peas
Peppers
Plums
Pomegranates
Potatoes
Pumpkin
Red beans
Red clover
Rhubarb
Rice (relatively highin glutamate)
Sage
Sesame seeds
Soybean sprouts
Soybeans***
Sunflower seeds
Tomatoes
Wheat
Yams0 -
Nope, sorry the amount in soy is way higher. if you took your mask off you could see that.0
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Soyacts like estrogen - soy foods = tofu, tempeh, edamame, miso, many veggie burgers, and other products made with soy flour contain isoflavones, which are chemically similar to estrogens. Two major types, genestein and daidzen, can act like estrogen in the body.
Estrogen = linked to hormonally-sensitive cancers in women, such as breast and endometrial cancer. Breast cells contain estrogen receptors, and when the "key" (estrogen) joins with the "lock" (the estrogen receptor), a series of signals are sent that are able to turn on estrogen-receptor (ER) positive breast tumor growth.
There is no demonstrated link between phyto-oestrogen and disease that has been published by a credible source..
kind regards,
Ben0 -
anyway are you a woman worried about breast/endometrial cancer? i dont understand why your a man trying to deter women who dont know anything about veganism and all of the soy products they would have to comsume and the risks that come with that. just like how smoking didnt cause cancer and was perfectly safe and the "cool" thing to do right? how long did they take smoking was just banned from public places recently. why would a vegan be worried about consuming so many soy products as a MAIN FOOD GROUP gee i dont know? i'm really over this. you've typed so much that no one that comes on here can see the potential warnings of what can happen to your body from becomming a vegan and that its dangerous. so now its on you for pushing it so much until the studies come back years from now about how harmful it is to your body.. peace.0
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anyway are you a woman worried about breast/endometrial cancer? i dont understand why your a man trying to deter women who dont know anything about veganism and all of the soy products they would have to comsume and the risks that come with that. just like how smoking didnt cause cancer and was perfectly safe and the "cool" thing to do right? how long did they take smoking was just banned from public places recently. why would a vegan be worried about consuming so many soy products as a MAIN FOOD GROUP gee i dont know? i'm really over this. you've typed so much that no one that comes on here can see the potential warnings of what can happen to your body from becomming a vegan and that its dangerous. so now its on you for pushing it so much until the studies come back years from now about how harmful it is to your body.. peace.
Let me repeat: any claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
If you have any evidence published by a credible source that indicates soy products are injurous to health then please provide it.
If not, then your unsubstantiated claim can be dismissed for what it is - an unsubstantiated claim.
kind regards,
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Soyacts like estrogen - soy foods = tofu, tempeh, edamame, miso, many veggie burgers, and other products made with soy flour contain isoflavones, which are chemically similar to estrogens. Two major types, genestein and daidzen, can act like estrogen in the body.
Estrogen = linked to hormonally-sensitive cancers in women, such as breast and endometrial cancer. Breast cells contain estrogen receptors, and when the "key" (estrogen) joins with the "lock" (the estrogen receptor), a series of signals are sent that are able to turn on estrogen-receptor (ER) positive breast tumor growth.
Once again, not talking to those who are already vegan becuase im sure you already know this.. this is for innocent people (mostly women who tend to be more diet conscious) thinking of becomming vegan/vegetarian to shed a few pounds.. know what your getting yourself into!
There is PLENTY of estrogen in milk too. Unfair to say soy when Dairy is huge in it. After all, dairy comes from nursing female animals.
Foods Containing Natural Estrogens
Note: Those rich in isoflavones are underlined while those foods rich in glutamate are in bold.
Alfalfa
Animal flesh
Anise seed
Apples
Baker's yeast
Barley
Beets
Carrots
Cherries
Chickpeas (garbanzo beans)
Clover
Cowpeas (black- eyed peas)
Cucumbers
Dairy Foods***
Dates
Eggs
Eggplant
Fennel
Flaxseeds
Garlic
Hops
Licorice
Oats
Olive oil
Olives
Papaya
Parsley
Peas
Peppers
Plums
Pomegranates
Potatoes
Pumpkin
Red beans
Red clover
Rhubarb
Rice (relatively highin glutamate)
Sage
Sesame seeds
Soybean sprouts
Soybeans***
Sunflower seeds
Tomatoes
Wheat
Yams
Interesting fact the phytoestrogens in parsley are so high that it is recommended as a natrual rememdy to encourage miscarriage, and drink enough beer the hops can encourage breast tissue growth.0 -
Ya know, if I ever walk into a clinic or hospital, and you're the nurse on duty, I'm going far away. You've more than demonstrated your total ignorance here, how could I take any advice you'd give seriously? Soy is no more a source of isoflavones than any of the other foods already listed. No credible scientific study has ever causally linked soy to any kind of cancer, in males or females. You're spouting out a lot of unsubstantiated, scare mongering falsities. Since you claim to be in the medical field, you really should go back and read some real research on these topics.anyway are you a woman worried about breast/endometrial cancer? i dont understand why your a man trying to deter women who dont know anything about veganism and all of the soy products they would have to comsume and the risks that come with that. just like how smoking didnt cause cancer and was perfectly safe and the "cool" thing to do right? how long did they take smoking was just banned from public places recently. why would a vegan be worried about consuming so many soy products as a MAIN FOOD GROUP gee i dont know? i'm really over this. you've typed so much that no one that comes on here can see the potential warnings of what can happen to your body from becomming a vegan and that its dangerous. so now its on you for pushing it so much until the studies come back years from now about how harmful it is to your body.. peace.
If soy is as bad as you say, explain how Okinawans and other Asian populations (who live on soy) have such long and healthy lives, compared to Americans?0 -
Nope, sorry the amount in soy is way higher. if you took your mask off you could see that.
Says the faceless profile lady. No need to be ignorant or rude - or throw stones in your glass house. Also you can try to look beyond your nose and see a whole world of possibilites ahead of you! Unless you were not taught that...
Dairy accounts for 60 percent to 80 percent of estrogens consumed according to Ganmaa Davaasambuu Ph.D.
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html
It's much harder to "prove" b/c you have lobbyists and lawyers on stun, and threats of pulling out of funding, so yeah, not much research has been done, but it doesn't mean logical & partial evidence isn't available. Look what monsanto & the dairy industry did to Fox News - forcing them to pull a news broadcast on milk and the crap going into it (crap that is still going into milk in US, but not in UK or Canada).0 -
Soyacts like estrogen - soy foods = tofu, tempeh, edamame, miso, many veggie burgers, and other products made with soy flour contain isoflavones, which are chemically similar to estrogens. Two major types, genestein and daidzen, can act like estrogen in the body.
Estrogen = linked to hormonally-sensitive cancers in women, such as breast and endometrial cancer. Breast cells contain estrogen receptors, and when the "key" (estrogen) joins with the "lock" (the estrogen receptor), a series of signals are sent that are able to turn on estrogen-receptor (ER) positive breast tumor growth.
Once again, not talking to those who are already vegan becuase im sure you already know this.. this is for innocent people (mostly women who tend to be more diet conscious) thinking of becomming vegan/vegetarian to shed a few pounds.. know what your getting yourself into!
Could you please post a link or cite a study that proves that soy causes cancer?0 -
Come on guys - no need to reply back to Tina.
Here is a quote from her: " being "vegan" wont help you lost weight at all. I had a teacher that was a vegetarian and he weighed about 300lbs.".
Obviously she bases her opinions based on one off cases in her life. She doesn't understand that even vegetarians can eat very unhealthy (processed vegetarian foods), and probably doesn't know that even skinny people could have heart attacks from clogged arteries.
She's obviously trolling us, b/c no one can be that off.0 -
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Wow you showed us! A CNN "expert" answer from a member of the American Cancer society. A society who is funded HEAVILY by.... You guessed it! The DAIRY INDUSTRY! Non-bias info there!
Thank you!
I feel I have to explain my sarcasm though..... You may not have gotten it!0 -
Being vegan is such a healthier life style - for the animals and for the people. People who try and justify meat eating are just so ignorant. Anyway, congratulations on the change. :smooched:0
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When you find info on line, you have to also try to think about what benefits the person or group has to take a stance one way or another on a particular situation. FDA is one of the worst - they CAN be bought, and of course the Cancer Society can be bought!0
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