For Vegans / Vegetarians only.
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I wasn't trying to make an argument. I was JUST SAYING.
Oh come on. You know as well as I do how flammable this forum can be, and you just basically did the equivalent of jerking the steering wheel of a gasoline hauler toward a burning building...but you were just saying?
Oh I did but you didn't say anything to that chick that had to make the stupid bacon joke...okay, makes sense.0 -
As many of you know, the sheer ignorance of the general population when it comes to talking about a vegan / plant based diet is very misinformed. Most will say we are designed to be Omnivores (which is what our current diet suggests). Those that say we are carnivores just are too far gone to help anyway.
I wrote that title so we all know when a troll comes in - a non vegan/vegetarian shouldn't have even opened this thread if they were not interested in becoming or learning about it.
& yes I'm prepared for the heat from people saying "I don't like your tone". Truth hurts everyone one time or another.
According to your cherry-picked list a rabbit is a carnivore.
What you are calling "science" is an agenda. An amusing uneducated, biology-poor balderdash.
We are not "designed" but evolved. And the simple fact that a majority of the population eats as non-vegetarians makes us omnivorous. This was an evolutionary advantage because it allowed to cultivate, kill and eat high energy sources in inhospitable regions and during long winters.
That you want to be be vegeterian is perfectly fine, that you have an agenda is great, that you wish to spread the word? Go ahead. Ethical, moral or even health reasons - sure, post away.
But bad biology, bad science? I'm sure a lot of like minded people are going to call you on it.
BTW, if you want to focus your threads to a sub-population of people - start a group. The Food and Nutrition sub-board is intended for all, despite your title thread.0 -
This is such a good discussion! People that are unwilling to accept the science are just defending the habits that they are comfortable with. Of course we can survive with it, but why when we can be healthier, kinder, and more sustainable without it?0
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Derek Tresize
Robert Cheeke
Ed Bauer
Terre Washington
Amanda Wheeler
Patrick Reiners
ALL successful vegan body builders!
you're not helping with some of them... some of them look like how I look after a vigorous pipe cleaning session.
I would say b/c other body builders are more inclined to use other supplements and enhancers that vegans are not though.0 -
I completely agree! But I don't think Vegetarians or omnivores are "better people" in anyway because of what they do or don't eat. If you believe in evolution we were probably designed to eat whatever was available to us regardless of what that might have been. I personally am mostly vegetarian because I know in today's society this diet seems to be the most effective way to be healthy....I am vegan and frankly I don't get into the stupid "oh we were design to eat this, this, and this, but not that." Because who cares? How revelant is it? Did ancient man drink almond milk? Did he buy potato chips? How natural are these things?
All I can say people need to worry about their own bodies when it comes to what they are eating. I cannot eat dairy without bad reactions so I don't. Dairy also was a nice culprit to me being pudgey since I ate a high dairy diet for along time before I realized it was making me sick. I thought it was "healthy" to eat dairy, like we are all told. Obviously, it wasn't for me.
What irritates me is when vegetarians and vegans post here asking for help in weight loss and some idiots think they need to post a picture of a dead animal or tell them to "just eat meat" like it will solve all their problems or make stupid jokes unprovoked. Grow the Heck up.
What people choose to do is what they choose to do and will experience the consequences of those actions (good or bad). I hope all try and make the decisions that are right and healthy for them and that they are happy with the decisions they make.0 -
oh geez. this really gives vegans a bad name.
i'm in it for peace, love, equality for all beings. not to put down others.
i'm a vegan because i enjoy helping others, including animals to have a better life. my reason for being vegan is because i don't think anyone deserves to die for another's pleasure. survival is another story. i am vegan because i feel it's the least i can do to be the change i wish to see in the world. :flowerforyou:
so please, don't think all vegans are self righteous. and other vegans- please don't start these threads because they go nowhere.
If you don't want people to think vegans are self righteous, then maybe reword your self righteous comments. I am eating this way because thats how we are designed to. Because I feel better this way than eating meat. I think if you're a carnivore, kill and eat the meat you need! Thats life. They go nowhere because trolls come in to do what they do best... troll.
I purposely wrote this knowing idiots would come in here pushing their ideas. Thats why I said "vegans and vegetarians". If you eat meat, then why would you come in here? just to cause trouble. Simple as that.
My gf, co-workers, best friends all eat meat. I never tell them it's crap for them b/c I occasionally will have some too... When they do comment on my diet I will set them straight with science and biology.
I think the info is good for vegans to know- those who do it "so i can help the environment" don't seem to get this.
I understand meat eating people's ideas. brainwashed for their entire lives. I am sure I'm brainwashed about other things, but I was able to listen to vegans, and really learn from them. The problem is many are not willing to accept that what they thought to be true their whole lives to be wrong. How did you think I felt when at 28, I realized my diet was not the "ideal" diet for my species. same ****.
Watch Jamie Oliver's food revolution. I feel like he does when he is trying to explain to those lunch ladies who are so close minded. Most people can't see that they are close minded, but if they see someone else being that way, they can, so go watch that show. fyi it's not about not eating meat. he makes chicken
1) people have been pretty tame in their objections so far. That chip on your shoulder about other conversations I'm assuming you've experienced is bigger than you are
2) Your combative tone while simultaneously attempting to prescribe your audience as "allies" rather than "enemies" makes it sound like you're just trying to have people tell you how wonderful they think you are--rather than actually having a discussion or simply providing info.
You get to rant/pedantically lecture or discuss, but trying to do both just comes across as weird. And let's be honest, the title of the thread combined with your tone kind of points to you wanting some sort confrontation. Who's trolling who?
The info is for other vegans who have family members who keep pushing them on meat. I knew that others would come on here to troll, so I framed it that way. Thats all. I was right, the bait was too hard for the meatheads to wander past...
I have had about 8 people add me b/c of this thread as friends, and they all seem very nice, so something good came from it.
Well hopefully they are, in fact, vegetarians, and will encourage you to become one yourself one day.
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As many of you know, the sheer ignorance of the general population when it comes to talking about a vegan / plant based diet is very misinformed. Most will say we are designed to be Omnivores (which is what our current diet suggests). Those that say we are carnivores just are too far gone to help anyway.
I wrote that title so we all know when a troll comes in - a non vegan/vegetarian shouldn't have even opened this thread if they were not interested in becoming or learning about it. & yes I'm prepared for the heat from people saying "I don't like your tone". Truth hurts everyone one time or another.
According to your cherry-picked list a rabbit is a carnivore.
What you are calling "science" is an agenda. An amusing uneducated, biology-poor balderdash.
We are not "designed" but evolved. And the simple fact that a majority of the population eats as non-vegetarians makes us omnivorous. This was an evolutionary advantage because it allowed to cultivate, kill and eat high energy sources in inhospitable regions and during long winters.
That you want to be be vegeterian is perfectly fine, that you have an agenda is great, that you wish to spread the word? Go ahead. Ethical, moral or even health reasons - sure, post away.
But bad biology, bad science? I'm sure a lot of like minded people are going to call you on it.
BTW, if you want to focus your threads to a sub-population of people - start a group. The Food and Nutrition sub-board is intended for all, despite your title thread.
Can you please explain the rabbit thing to the rest of us how they are like carnivores?0 -
oh geez. this really gives vegans a bad name.
i'm in it for peace, love, equality for all beings. not to put down others.
i'm a vegan because i enjoy helping others, including animals to have a better life. my reason for being vegan is because i don't think anyone deserves to die for another's pleasure. survival is another story. i am vegan because i feel it's the least i can do to be the change i wish to see in the world. :flowerforyou:
so please, don't think all vegans are self righteous. and other vegans- please don't start these threads because they go nowhere.
If you don't want people to think vegans are self righteous, then maybe reword your self righteous comments. I am eating this way because thats how we are designed to. Because I feel better this way than eating meat. I think if you're a carnivore, kill and eat the meat you need! Thats life. They go nowhere because trolls come in to do what they do best... troll.
I purposely wrote this knowing idiots would come in here pushing their ideas. Thats why I said "vegans and vegetarians". If you eat meat, then why would you come in here? just to cause trouble. Simple as that.
My gf, co-workers, best friends all eat meat. I never tell them it's crap for them b/c I occasionally will have some too... When they do comment on my diet I will set them straight with science and biology.
I think the info is good for vegans to know- those who do it "so i can help the environment" don't seem to get this.
I understand meat eating people's ideas. brainwashed for their entire lives. I am sure I'm brainwashed about other things, but I was able to listen to vegans, and really learn from them. The problem is many are not willing to accept that what they thought to be true their whole lives to be wrong. How did you think I felt when at 28, I realized my diet was not the "ideal" diet for my species. same ****.
Watch Jamie Oliver's food revolution. I feel like he does when he is trying to explain to those lunch ladies who are so close minded. Most people can't see that they are close minded, but if they see someone else being that way, they can, so go watch that show. fyi it's not about not eating meat. he makes chicken
1) people have been pretty tame in their objections so far. That chip on your shoulder about other conversations I'm assuming you've experienced is bigger than you are
2) Your combative tone while simultaneously attempting to prescribe your audience as "allies" rather than "enemies" makes it sound like you're just trying to have people tell you how wonderful they think you are--rather than actually having a discussion or simply providing info.
You get to rant/pedantically lecture or discuss, but trying to do both just comes across as weird. And let's be honest, the title of the thread combined with your tone kind of points to you wanting some sort confrontation. Who's trolling who?
The info is for other vegans who have family members who keep pushing them on meat. I knew that others would come on here to troll, so I framed it that way. Thats all. I was right, the bait was too hard for the meatheads to wander past...
I have had about 8 people add me b/c of this thread as friends, and they all seem very nice, so something good came from it.
Well hopefully they are, in fact, vegetarians, and will encourage you to become one yourself one day.
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Derek Tresize
Robert Cheeke
Ed Bauer
Terre Washington
Amanda Wheeler
Patrick Reiners
ALL successful vegan body builders!
you're not helping with some of them... some of them look like how I look after a vigorous pipe cleaning session.
I would say b/c other body builders are more inclined to use other supplements and enhancers that vegans are not though.
If you want to read back, I already offered to tackle that one too, but nobody accepted. Even on the drug tested powerlifting records, there is not a single Vegan to be found.0 -
Since as this thread stated....it is for vegans and vegetarians ONLY.....I kindly show the OP to the door.
Are you one of the above? If so, how long?0 -
Since as this thread stated....it is for vegans and vegetarians ONLY.....I kindly show the OP to the door.
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Since as this thread stated....it is for vegans and vegetarians ONLY.....I kindly show the OP to the door.
Are you one of the above? If so, how long?
Yep. Vegetarian. Almost 12 years.
You should be upset at the people coming in causing issues, not the ones who have real info to share such as myself & (for the meat side) Gallowmere1984.
Post something productive, not just to have your random thought heard. That doesn't contribute to the conversation.0 -
In before the lock!
Better suited to insult meat eaters in a private group rather than a public forum.
Besides, there is always Fancy Feast.
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My gf, co-workers, best friends all eat meat. I never tell them it's crap for them b/c I occasionally will have some too...
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In before the lock!
Better suited to insult meat eaters in a private group rather than a public forum.
Besides, there is always Fancy Feast.
Oh....my....god....can't stop laughing...all I can get out of my mouth between cackles right now is "**** you!" xD0 -
LOL!!!
My gf, co-workers, best friends all eat meat. I never tell them it's crap for them b/c I occasionally will have some too...
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But if we weren't supposed to eat meat, then why did God make bacon so tasty...?
god? :laugh:
Yes. I believe in God. You seem to find something about that humorous?
And I believe in the equality of all animals, but you found my beliefs funny.... Oh.... I'm sorry, do you not me treating you as you treat others? Some christian.
Equality of animals? Sorry to break it to you, but animals aren't equal.
Interesting you assumed I'm Christian.
I apologise that I presumed you meant a christian god, obviously you have denounced that god as I have since you have implied to deny him. But, to my knowledge, all gods strive in their teaching to show love and kindness to their fellow man, and to lead a respectful life of example. Your joke showed nothing of that. So regardless of your creed, I stand by that.
In addition, I know all too well that animals are not shown any equality in this world, which is what resulted in my choosing this lifestyle. It is my personal belief that animals are equal beings to us, and I treat every animal I can accordingly. I live by my beliefs.
In leading by example I have encouraged many friends to adapt similar habits. Pointing out to a vegan that animals are not blessed with equality is a crystal example of ignorance. Every human shows ignorance though, so I won't hold that against you. But please try to practice an ounce of respect towards others unless you are prepared to receive similar treatment in return.0 -
Since as this thread stated....it is for vegans and vegetarians ONLY.....I kindly show the OP to the door.
Are you one of the above? If so, how long?
Yep. Vegetarian. Almost 12 years.
You should be upset at the people coming in causing issues, not the ones who have real info to share such as myself & (for the meat side) Gallowmere1984.
Post something productive, not just to have your random thought heard. That doesn't contribute to the conversation.
Your admitted posturing about wanting to rile the "meatheads" doesn't really make you any better than the people you're speaking out against. Doesn't seem like you're solely interested in preaching the gospel , so to speak.0 -
i use to be a vegetarian, but i cant help the blood lust desire to eat steak0
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The problem is people (vegetarians posting on here) talking about embarrassed for this and that. They insult me for voicing an opinion and facts, while other meat eaters with facts have no problem in the discussion.
I have to agree, there are many vegetarians and vegans that are so stuck up, and believe all vegetarians (& vegans) should think the same way, and act the same way. You are part of the ignorant I was talking about. How can you say I am an embarrassment when you do the exact same thing on a worse scale?
Please do not derail debates, or conversations. If you have an issue, I'm sure there is a block feature on here. If I find it, i'll be sure to use it too.0 -
In before the lock!
Better suited to insult meat eaters in a private group rather than a public forum.
Besides, there is always Fancy Feast.
Yeah my chest is hurting from laughing....holy crap!0 -
OP, the problem is the quite a few vegetarians, including myself and Sara, were annoyed with your holier-than-thou approach to speaking to folks who eat meat. I believe I stated in another thread that "no one ever goes vegan after meeting an annoyingly self-righteous vegan."
I tend to also comment that this level of pestering vegetarian evangelicism is a total NOOB thing.
And it turns out you haven't even given up meat yet?!?!?!
Here- you give up meat for, oh let's say 1/4 of the time I have been a vegetarian- let's see that'll be 4.5 YEARS.... then come back and speak as a vegetariam.
mmmmmmmmmmmmkay?0 -
I am a vegetarian...so I am allowed in this thread...and I do not agree with you. Also, I am more allowed than you, by your own logic, as I have not actually eaten meat for 25 years.0
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I am a vegetarian...so I am allowed in this thread...and I do not agree with you. Also, I am more allowed than you, by your own logic, as I have not actually eaten meat for 25 years.
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The problem is people (vegetarians posting on here) talking about embarrassed for this and that. They insult me for voicing an opinion and facts, while other meat eaters with facts have no problem in the discussion.
I have to agree, there are many vegetarians and vegans that are so stuck up, and believe all vegetarians (& vegans) should think the same way, and act the same way. You are part of the ignorant I was talking about. How can you say I am an embarrassment when you do the exact same thing on a worse scale?
Please do not derail debates, or conversations. If you have an issue, I'm sure there is a block feature on here. If I find it, i'll be sure to use it too.
You cannot block people from threads - it's an open forum. You can put them on ignore - see the little drop down under my avi - click there and it will give you the option.0
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