General Comment About People Who Don't Lift
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Not that I'm in immediate danger of either, but I'd rather have a dancer's body than a lifter's body.
No reason you can't have both. I'm a bellydancer, and I also lift heavy.
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I belonged to Curves a few years ago. It didn't do squat for me. I'm in better shape now after only a month and a half of lifting than I was after a year of curves.
This is a common refrain, isn't it? Everyone who has gone from cardio bunny to lifting regularly raves about how much more effective it is.
I knew it too. I've lifted in the past. I have been doing mostly cardio for the last year because I didn't want to put in the effort I knew I needed to and pick up some damned weights. Laziness mostly.
But after a year of stalled weigh loss and not looking like I want to look, I'm sucking it up and doing it the right way again. lol0 -
In general the dancer would likely be more lithe.
No, this makes no sense. It's simply not true.
^While in a way a dancers body would be more "lithe". That is because they stretch like crazy and train to look graceful. However, I lift heavy and I am VERY VERY flexible. Yoga instructors stop me to ask why I am so flexible! The only way I lose any of my felxibility is when I stop stretching. Lifting weights does not equal less flexibility........less stretching equals less flexibility.
I never suggested lifting weights equaled less flexibility.
It sounds like you have no idea what you really might be suggesting.0 -
Curves is not strictly cardio. It's a circuit of strength machines and cardio. It can give a good workout, depending on how intensely you work. It would not be the same as lifting heavy, but that doesn't mean it would be inferior. It provides enough resistance to maintain bone density and build strength.
Using machines will give you a small fraction of the benefit of freeweights. Machines deprive you of the benefits of antagonists, stabilizers, dynamic stabilizers, balance, and coordination. Even if you managed to work all the muscles that get used in a squat by using machines, you wouldn't get the same results. And you'd be using 6 different machines.
Um yeah, that's why I said it wasn't the same workout as weights. Although, you could do squats in a Curves workout if you wanted.
If there is a squat rack in Curves I'd be astonished.
One doesn't need a rack to do squats.0 -
I belonged to Curves a few years ago. It didn't do squat for me. I'm in better shape now after only a month and a half of lifting than I was after a year of curves.
This is a common refrain, isn't it? Everyone who has gone from cardio bunny to lifting regularly raves about how much more effective it is.
I knew it too. I've lifted in the past. I have been doing mostly cardio for the last year because I didn't want to put in the effort I knew I needed to and pick up some damned weights. Laziness mostly.
But after a year of stalled weigh loss and not looking like I want to look, I'm sucking it up and doing it the right way again. lol
I've started a text file saving these sorts of quotes. Just added yours. Thanks.0 -
If there is a squat rack in Curves I'd be astonished.
I just looked up some pictures of Curves centers. I don't get it. I don't see any weights of any kind. No dumbbells, no barbells, no plate-loaded machines. I see a bunch of contraptions that look like they have no weights of any kind on them.
Machines scare me!0 -
i think lifting sucks.0
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It sounds like you have no idea what you really might be suggesting.
You do need weight, which I don't see in any of these pictures. Unless you're morbidly obese, bodyweight squats aren't going to do much for you.0 -
If there is a squat rack in Curves I'd be astonished.
I just looked up some pictures of Curves centers. I don't get it. I don't see any weights of any kind. No dumbbells, no barbells, no plate-loaded machines. I see a bunch of contraptions that look like they have no weights of any kind on them.
Pretty much exactly this. You cycle through a bunch of lame machines doing 60 seconds on each machine and move to the next one. To music.
There's no weights.0 -
Curves is not strictly cardio. It's a circuit of strength machines and cardio. It can give a good workout, depending on how intensely you work. It would not be the same as lifting heavy, but that doesn't mean it would be inferior. It provides enough resistance to maintain bone density and build strength.
Using machines will give you a small fraction of the benefit of freeweights. Machines deprive you of the benefits of antagonists, stabilizers, dynamic stabilizers, balance, and coordination. Even if you managed to work all the muscles that get used in a squat by using machines, you wouldn't get the same results. And you'd be using 6 different machines.
Um yeah, that's why I said it wasn't the same workout as weights. Although, you could do squats in a Curves workout if you wanted.
If there is a squat rack in Curves I'd be astonished.
One doesn't need a rack to do squats.
But a rack makes it easier so you don't have to lift 300lbs from the floor to over your shoulders. I can squat that much, but I sure as h*ll can't clean and jerk that!0 -
Pretty much exactly this. You cycle through a bunch of lame machines doing 60 seconds on each machine and move to the next one. To music.
There's no weights.
How does that even make sense? What do the machines do?0 -
My image of a lifter's body is that the muscles look more "bunched up" while a dancer's muscles (in my mind) look more elongated and smooth. But I know there is cross-over. Some dancers also lift.
I lift, too.0 -
People need to understand that the only tissue types you have control over via exercise and diet are muscle and fat.
You can either build, maintain, or lose fat. You can either build, maintain, or lose muscle.
That's it. Those are the only options. There isn't some magical "lean" or "lithe" or "toned" muscle you get from doing one thing but "big" or "bulky" muscle you get from doing something else.
Your muscles are like balloons. You can either inflate them or deflate them. If you work on making them bigger and they get too big for you, which trust me will never happen, then stop working them so hard. End of story. That's the beginning and end of it.
Using light weight is TERRIBLE for building muscle. It's just awful. Using heavy weight is GREAT for building muscle. That's the long and short of it.
Not technically true. There are two types of muscles fibres. That being said I def advocate weight training for women. Edit to say that the one type the one that is affected by light weights doesn't really balloon (if I remember correctly).0 -
But a rack makes it easier so you don't have to lift 300lbs from the floor to over your shoulders. I can squat that much, but I sure as h*ll can't clean and jerk that!
But if you could, there would be a spot in Rio de Janerio for you in 2016!0 -
Not technically true. There are two types of muscles fibres. That being said I def advocate weight training for women.
There are, but they look exactly the same from the outside.0 -
My image of a lifter's body is that the muscles look more "bunched up" while a dancer's muscles (in my mind) look more elongated and smooth. But I know there is cross-over. Some dancers also lift.
I lift, too.
This is nonsensical and flatly untrue. Dancing doesn't make your muscles look "longer" or anything like that. Physiologically impossible. How "long" or "smooth" your muscles look is a function of insertion and origin points as well as body fat.0 -
Pretty much exactly this. You cycle through a bunch of lame machines doing 60 seconds on each machine and move to the next one. To music.
There's no weights.
How does that even make sense? What do the machines do?
they put you through a bunch of repetitive motions basically.0 -
But a rack makes it easier so you don't have to lift 300lbs from the floor to over your shoulders. I can squat that much, but I sure as h*ll can't clean and jerk that!
But if you could, there would be a spot in Rio de Janerio for you in 2016!
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In general the dancer would likely be more lithe.
No, this makes no sense. It's simply not true.
^While in a way a dancers body would be more "lithe". That is because they stretch like crazy and train to look graceful. However, I lift heavy and I am VERY VERY flexible. Yoga instructors stop me to ask why I am so flexible! The only way I lose any of my felxibility is when I stop stretching. Lifting weights does not equal less flexibility........less stretching equals less flexibility.
I never suggested lifting weights equaled less flexibility.
Sorry, I took lithe to mean "supple, limber, or flexible". I take back what I said if that's not what you meant!
It's exactly what I meant but, as you pointed out, it is the stretching that creates the flexibility. Which is exactly what I suggested earlier in the thread when I said
I realize you may not have read all the posts, but I did not suggest that weight lifting decreased flexibility. I suggested that a dancer who lifts weights would look different than someone who only lifts weight (without the other training that dancers require). Let's face it, if dancers didn't have a different look to their body, I highly doubt we'd be discussing how to get a dancers body.You need the stretching and cardio of dancing, along with the strength training to get a dancers body.0 -
My image of a lifter's body is that the muscles look more "bunched up" while a dancer's muscles (in my mind) look more elongated and smooth. But I know there is cross-over. Some dancers also lift.
I lift, too.
Did you see the pictures of the dancer that were posted together with a lifter? Did they look different to you? Also, have you read the comments from KatrinaWilke who is a dancer?0 -
I realize you may not have read all the posts, but I did not suggest that weight lifting decreased flexibility. I suggested that a dancer who lifts weights would look different than someone who only lifts weight (without the other training that dancers require). Let's face it, if dancers didn't have a different look to their body, I highly doubt we'd be discussing how to get a dancers body.
Well a lot of people have asked just what "a dancer's body" really even means. There seems to be no answer. Look at the dancers on So You Think You Can Dance. Some of them look like bodybuilders, some of them look like the girl next door.
The simple fact is that you're wrong. You have false conceptions about the nature of human body, and instead of trying to listen and learn you are stubbornly sticking to these conceptions. What you say simply doesn't make sense.0 -
I realize you may not have read all the posts, but I did not suggest that weight lifting decreased flexibility. I suggested that a dancer who lifts weights would look different than someone who only lifts weight (without the other training that dancers require). Let's face it, if dancers didn't have a different look to their body, I highly doubt we'd be discussing how to get a dancers body.
Well a lot of people have asked just what "a dancer's body" really even means. There seems to be no answer. Look at the dancers on So You Think You Can Dance. Some of them look like bodybuilders, some of them look like the girl next door.
The simple fact is that you're wrong. You have false conceptions about the nature of human body, and instead of trying to listen and learn you are stubbornly sticking to these conceptions. What you say simply doesn't make sense.
Additionally there have been pictures of a dancer and lifter posted in this thread that show no distinction or difference.0 -
Pretty much exactly this. You cycle through a bunch of lame machines doing 60 seconds on each machine and move to the next one. To music.
There's no weights.
How does that even make sense? What do the machines do?
They are a variety of resistance machines. I'm not really familiar with machines, but one did a bicep curl type motion, some you push with your legs, etc. In addition, there are platforms between each machine. I thought it was only 30 second intervals, but perhaps it was 60. Anywho, you do a machine, then you get on the platform and do whatever you want (squats, run in place, jumping jacks, etc.) I don't think the platforms in the Curves I visited provided room for something like burpees or pushups, though that may vary by location. Then on to the next machine, then the next platform, etc.0 -
I realize you may not have read all the posts, but I did not suggest that weight lifting decreased flexibility. I suggested that a dancer who lifts weights would look different than someone who only lifts weight (without the other training that dancers require). Let's face it, if dancers didn't have a different look to their body, I highly doubt we'd be discussing how to get a dancers body.
Well a lot of people have asked just what "a dancer's body" really even means. There seems to be no answer. Look at the dancers on So You Think You Can Dance. Some of them look like bodybuilders, some of them look like the girl next door.
The simple fact is that you're wrong. You have false conceptions about the nature of human body, and instead of trying to listen and learn you are stubbornly sticking to these conceptions. What you say simply doesn't make sense.
I have been "listening" (reading). I just don't agree with you. Chill out man.0 -
My image of a lifter's body is that the muscles look more "bunched up" while a dancer's muscles (in my mind) look more elongated and smooth. But I know there is cross-over. Some dancers also lift.
I lift, too.
Did you see the pictures of the dancer that were posted together with a lifter? Did they look different to you? Also, have you read the comments from KatrinaWilke who is a dancer?
No, I haven't seen all the posts to this thread. I was skimming along, came to a question about what I thought a dancer was supposed to look like as opposed to a lifter, and replied to that specific question.0 -
lifting weights is good for you.
it helps women look better and helps them maintain bone density.
as you age, holding onto lean body mass is pretty important.
so, congrats on whatever progress you made without lifting, but you need to start.0 -
You dont have to heavy lift so muscles arenpopping out. Light dumbells will do it.
I keep seeing comments like this. This is nonsensical. Lifting heavy things doesn't make muscles pop out. It takes years of dedication and hardcore dieting to get big muscles with low body fat. If lifting heavy things made muscles pop out instantaneously I'd look like Arnold by now.
I don't.
Light weights are incredibly inefficient. Using light weights does not give you the benefits of heavy weights. It will take forever to see results, if you ever see any. You will not get the bone-strengthening. You will not build muscle mass.
There is absolutely nothing that using light weights does for you that heavy weights will not do for you ten times faster and better. You could spend hours and hours in the gym using light weight and never get half the benefits of 30 minutes in the squat rack.
Sorry I wasn't clear. What I meant was a lifting program doesn't have to mean heavy weights. But a 5 lb dumbell or body weight, with correct form and many reps will do,the job. I think alot women new to this asume lifting means a bar with 45 lb plates and so they are intimidated. And think lifting means heavy weight and bulking. Though heavy weight doesnt mean bulking. Weights dont even have to be involved. I have had more sore muscles from using rubber bands, resistance and own body weight vs plate weight.0 -
My image of a lifter's body is that the muscles look more "bunched up" while a dancer's muscles (in my mind) look more elongated and smooth. But I know there is cross-over. Some dancers also lift.
I lift, too.
Did you see the pictures of the dancer that were posted together with a lifter? Did they look different to you? Also, have you read the comments from KatrinaWilke who is a dancer?
No, I haven't seen all the posts to this thread. I was skimming along, came to a question about what I thought a dancer was supposed to look like as opposed to a lifter, and replied to that specific question.
I'd suggest you go back and look at the pictures and read Katrina's comments. There is very little difference between what a lifter's body looks like and what a dancer's body looks like.0 -
I realize you may not have read all the posts, but I did not suggest that weight lifting decreased flexibility. I suggested that a dancer who lifts weights would look different than someone who only lifts weight (without the other training that dancers require). Let's face it, if dancers didn't have a different look to their body, I highly doubt we'd be discussing how to get a dancers body.
Well a lot of people have asked just what "a dancer's body" really even means. There seems to be no answer. Look at the dancers on So You Think You Can Dance. Some of them look like bodybuilders, some of them look like the girl next door.
The simple fact is that you're wrong. You have false conceptions about the nature of human body, and instead of trying to listen and learn you are stubbornly sticking to these conceptions. What you say simply doesn't make sense.
Additionally there have been pictures of a dancer and lifter posted in this thread that show no distinction or difference.
I'm sorry but I've never seen So You Think You Can Dance. I wouldn't expect the differences to show as much in a still photo, though the poses chose suggest the difference. If you were to see two women in real life, one who was a dancer who lifted weights, and one who lifted weights as her only form of exercise, there would likely be a difference in they why they walked and moved. The dancer would be more lithe and graceful.0 -
Personally I want to be able to do anything anybody else can do
I don't wanna try to pick something up and be like uuuunnnnnnnnggggggghhhhh it's too heaaaavyyyyyyy waaaaaaaaaaaaaah....
yeah... #lame
Being a badass is better. #my2cents0
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