KETONE DIET- what are youir thoughts on it????
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I recomend reading 'the ketogenic diet' by Lyle McDonald. Loads of info (over 300 pages) on ketogenic dieting and diferent cycles for carb intake.
this thread should have ended here
I'm betting it will reach 20 pages :laugh: such a waste of energy eh....0 -
Keto is great! I love it, and my advice is to try it for yourself and decide. Some people can't do keto, others thrive on it. Just remember, you will go through 'carb withdrawls' as I like to call them, so you must give this diet a good month before you decide to ditch it.
I love it because I feel full, my skin has cleared, and I'm losing a lot of weight. I honestly don't miss the carbs most days. :P
^^This^^
I love it, and just as you said my skin is a lot clearer with very low carbs. I don't have any breakouts during that TOM anymore. I have so much more energy. Around the holidays, I was offered a piece of pie, and I took it, cause I didn't want to offend my father in law. It literally made me feel sick. Just so much sugar and the pie crust...I mean it tasted awesome, but I felt horrible about 30 minutes after eating it. I just don't eat a lot of bread, pasta, potatoes, sugars..I feel so much better not doing so. I've been eating very low carb diet for years now.0 -
The Huffington Post had an article about Keytones. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/becky-hand/raspberry-ketones_b_2727943.html0
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Hahaha Andy I
you you sexy beast
Also for the record most of my keto friends plan to transition to paleo eventually, and are using keto for weight loss. I just observed this and figured I put it out there! 0 -
It's a superior diet for many reasons. It's how we all got here; that is to say, as a matter of evolutionary biology, it saved our ancestors from every major blight and famine in human history. I think that whole "natural selection" thing ought to give people a clue.
The diet provides a huge metabolic advantage. Compared to other diets, you can maintain all of your essential body functions while eating 8,400 fewer calories each month -- a 2.5 lb. advantage every single month.
As I've written in another post:
"[T]he reason why fat loss is so much easier for those on low carbohydate diets, especially a ketogenic diet (< 50 grams of carbs a day for most people), is because they have to eat 300 fewer calories each day, compared to everyone else trying to lose weight. Over just one week's time, that's 2,100 calories: a huge "metabolic advantage."
In that regard, the brain is unlike any other part of the body. It can only run off of two types of fuel: glucose or the ketone body beta-hydroxybutyyrate combined with a relatively small amount of glucose. Everyone's brain, regardless of his or her height and weight, uses roughly the same amount of calories.
When a person is eating less than 50 grams of carbohydrates a day, they produce sufficient amounts of the ketone body beta-hydroxybutyrate to fuel the majority of the brain's energy needs -- roughly 75%. By limiting carbohydrates and not spiking insulin all day long, ketogenic dieters are always in so-called "fat burning mode": hormone sensitive lipase is upregulated all the time, resulting in the constant breakdown and mobilization of triglycerides. As those triglycerides are broken down, the liver immediately grabs its share of the fatty acids and glycerol to fuel the brain. The liver does so by making beta-hydroxybutyrate out of the fatty acids and uses the glycerol to make glucose in a process called "gluconeogenesis."
People who simply cut calories never produce enough beta-hydroxybutyrate to sufficiently fuel their brains. As a result, they are invariably subject to hypoglycemia and have to eat carbohydrates every time their glycogen runs low. On a ketogenic diet, the brain is always taken care of endogenously through the process above. Consequently, ketogenic dieters never experience hypoglycemia and can effortlessly eat less and stick to their daily calorie goals while rarely even thinking about food. When the brain is fed, the overwhelming majority of the body's cells can function using fatty acids.
The ketogenic diet is the reason all of us are here posting in this thread. It's how our ancestors overcame every major blight and famine in human history. It's why I cringe when I hear those who never took high school biochemistry call it a 'fad'."
ETA: When people talk about the life-extension benefits of "calorie restriction," it's just a polite way of saying "carbohydrate restriction." Even then, however, most people don't really know why it works, but I'd bet a brick house against a bag of sugary donuts that it's because of the powerful attenuating effects of beta-hydroxybutyrate on oxidative stress.0 -
well ive lost 69lb in little over four months on a ketone diet and it was recommended by my gp and nutrition consultant, and do regular checkups... its the only diet that works for me.. not a diet for everyone, but each to there own :happy:0
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I see no problem with keto diets in anyway.
The research data given can be countered by many others showing the opposite in terms of keto and going down the routes of claims on disease etc equally can be given towards other avenues.
I personally begin a diet with protein/fats/carbs and end it on keto to rip up the last bits of fat.
In terms of saying things about ketones being bad - NO! It is just a process available to the body which it has developed over time during evolution. One could claim carbs are bad and indeed the cause behind obesity since the availability has shot up in the last 50 years and indeed increasing the incidence of type 2 diabetes, if you believe its possible for one to give themselves it.0 -
I do it. It sucks.0
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I did lower carb the last six months of last year to get from about 290 to 240. For me it worked great but I don't think it had anything to do with keto. In fact, while ketosis is real the amount of fat a person burns while on it is probably not nearly as much as people think. The main benefit of low carb is most likely appetite control. When you're eating mainly meat and veggies you can usually just flat out eat more and you tend to stay fuller. This helped me out a lot since I am one of those people that just seems to stay hungry. You still have to be smart about eating though. People seem to have this fantasy that they'll eat bacon wrapped hamburger patties, 20 oz steaks, etc. You're setting yourself up for failure long term if you do that. Lean meats and smart portions are essential.
There is also the side benefit of learning how to not live off boxes (at least not as much). While I imagine it'd be super tough not to buy anything processed I've seen a clear change in my shopping habbits. Boxed cereals, snacks, and frozen meals used to dominate my diet. Now even though I've added carbs back (some breads, beans, and brown rice mostly) my grocery cart is filled primarily with chicken, fish, eggs, and veggies.0 -
because I love donuts and chocolate covered everything....i mean i used to...0
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i also loved eggs, bacon and cheese but now thats all i eat and it taste like....gray.0
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It's a superior diet for many reasons. It's how we all got here; that is to say, as a matter of evolutionary biology, it saved our ancestors from every major blight and famine in human history.
The diet provides a huge metabolic advantage. Compared to other diets, you can maintain all of your essential body functions while eating 8,400 fewer calories each month -- a 2.5 lb. advantage every single month.
As I've written in another post:
"[T]he reason why fat loss is so much easier for those on low carbohydate diets, especially a ketogenic diet (< 50 grams of carbs a day for most people), is because they have to eat 300 fewer calories each day, compared to everyone else trying to lose weight. Over just one week's time, that's 2,100 calories: a huge "metabolic advantage."
In that regard, the brain is unlike any other part of the body. It can only run off of two types of fuel: glucose or the ketone body beta-hydroxybutyyrate combined with a relatively small amount of glucose. Everyone's brain, regardless of his or her height and weight, uses roughly the same amount of calories.
When a person is eating less than 50 grams of carbohydrates a day, they produce sufficient amounts of the ketone body beta-hydroxybutyrate to fuel the majority of the brain's energy needs -- roughly 75%. By limiting carbohydrates and not spiking insulin all day long, ketogenic dieters are always in so-called "fat burning mode": hormone sensitive lipase is upregulated all the time, resulting in the constant breakdown and mobilization of triglycerides. As those triglycerides are broken down, the liver immediately grabs its share of the fatty acids and glycerol to fuel the brain. The liver does so by making beta-hydroxybutyrate out of the fatty acids and uses the glycerol to make glucose in a process called "gluconeogenesis."
People who simply cut calories never produce enough beta-hydroxybutyrate to sufficiently fuel their brains. As a result, they are invariably subject to hypoglycemia and have to eat carbohydrates every time their glycogen runs low. On a ketogenic diet, the brain is always taken care of endogenously through the process above. Consequently, ketogenic dieters never experience hypoglycemia and can effortlessly eat less and stick to their daily calorie goals while rarely even thinking about food. When the brain is fed, the overwhelming majority of the body's cells can function using fatty acids.
The ketogenic diet is the reason all of us are here posting in this thread. It's how our ancestors overcame every major blight and famine in human history. It's why I cringe when I hear those who never took high school biochemistry call it a 'fad'."
ETA: When people talk about the life-extension benefits of "calorie restriction," it's just a polite way of saying "carbohydrate restriction." Even then, however, most people don't really know what it works, but I'd bet a brick house against a bag of sugary donuts that it's because of the powerful attenuating effects of beta-hydroxybutyrate on oxidative stress.
This makes a fantastic amount of sense, however, let me ask you this. Our ancestors ate ketgenic diets - not out of choice, but out of necessity. They also, once given the opportunity, returned to eating more carbs when available. Essentially keto is our biochemical hibernation to help us survive the less plentiful winter. My argument continues to be the same. Those people returned to eating carbs when available, because keto is NOT optimal long term! It's great for short periods of time, but eventually unless you cycle off it, you risk some dangerous side effects including loss of muscle mass which will slow your metabolism and spiral downward from there. Other side effects have all already been mentioned so I won't rehash. But if you're using the evolutionary argument - which is a good one - then you also have to recognize that it isn't meant to be long term.0 -
Tough on your liver, kidneys, and other organs; but it will make you lose fat. Better to cut out bread, and simple carbs. Focus on lean meats, green vegetables, and fruits. If it's natural its pretty good for you. Eat a lot food each day, and burn it off. It's really that simple. Get addicted to broccoli. 0
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This makes a fantastic amount of sense, however, let me ask you this. Our ancestors ate ketgenic diets - not out of choice, but out of necessity. They also, once given the opportunity, returned to eating more carbs when available. Essentially keto is our biochemical hibernation to help us survive the less plentiful winter. My argument continues to be the same. Those people returned to eating carbs when available, because keto is NOT optimal long term! It's great for short periods of time, but eventually unless you cycle off it, you risk some dangerous side effects including loss of muscle mass which will slow your metabolism and spiral downward from there. Other side effects have all already been mentioned so I won't rehash. But if you're using the evolutionary argument - which is a good one - then you also have to recognize that it isn't meant to be long term.
Are you claiming we've evolved since arable farming?
FWIW, I do not agree it is muscle harming. If it is, like any diet your calories are too low.0 -
Tough on your liver, kidneys, and other organs; but it will make you lose fat. Better to cut out bread, and simple carbs. Focus on lean meats, green vegetables, and fruits. If it's natural its pretty good for you. Eat a lot food each day, and burn it off. It's really that simple. Get addicted to broccoli.
Your lining to your liver, kidneys, digestive system turnover (eg replace themselves) about 60% a day.
What you are saying does not make sense.0 -
It's a superior diet for many reasons. It's how we all got here; that is to say, as a matter of evolutionary biology, it saved our ancestors from every major blight and famine in human history.
The diet provides a huge metabolic advantage. Compared to other diets, you can maintain all of your essential body functions while eating 8,400 fewer calories each month -- a 2.5 lb. advantage every single month.
As I've written in another post:
"[T]he reason why fat loss is so much easier for those on low carbohydate diets, especially a ketogenic diet (< 50 grams of carbs a day for most people), is because they have to eat 300 fewer calories each day, compared to everyone else trying to lose weight. Over just one week's time, that's 2,100 calories: a huge "metabolic advantage."
In that regard, the brain is unlike any other part of the body. It can only run off of two types of fuel: glucose or the ketone body beta-hydroxybutyyrate combined with a relatively small amount of glucose. Everyone's brain, regardless of his or her height and weight, uses roughly the same amount of calories.
When a person is eating less than 50 grams of carbohydrates a day, they produce sufficient amounts of the ketone body beta-hydroxybutyrate to fuel the majority of the brain's energy needs -- roughly 75%. By limiting carbohydrates and not spiking insulin all day long, ketogenic dieters are always in so-called "fat burning mode": hormone sensitive lipase is upregulated all the time, resulting in the constant breakdown and mobilization of triglycerides. As those triglycerides are broken down, the liver immediately grabs its share of the fatty acids and glycerol to fuel the brain. The liver does so by making beta-hydroxybutyrate out of the fatty acids and uses the glycerol to make glucose in a process called "gluconeogenesis."
People who simply cut calories never produce enough beta-hydroxybutyrate to sufficiently fuel their brains. As a result, they are invariably subject to hypoglycemia and have to eat carbohydrates every time their glycogen runs low. On a ketogenic diet, the brain is always taken care of endogenously through the process above. Consequently, ketogenic dieters never experience hypoglycemia and can effortlessly eat less and stick to their daily calorie goals while rarely even thinking about food. When the brain is fed, the overwhelming majority of the body's cells can function using fatty acids.
The ketogenic diet is the reason all of us are here posting in this thread. It's how our ancestors overcame every major blight and famine in human history. It's why I cringe when I hear those who never took high school biochemistry call it a 'fad'."
ETA: When people talk about the life-extension benefits of "calorie restriction," it's just a polite way of saying "carbohydrate restriction." Even then, however, most people don't really know what it works, but I'd bet a brick house against a bag of sugary donuts that it's because of the powerful attenuating effects of beta-hydroxybutyrate on oxidative stress.
This makes a fantastic amount of sense, however, let me ask you this. Our ancestors ate ketgenic diets - not out of choice, but out of necessity. They also, once given the opportunity, returned to eating more carbs when available. Essentially keto is our biochemical hibernation to help us survive the less plentiful winter. My argument continues to be the same. Those people returned to eating carbs when available, because keto is NOT optimal long term! It's great for short periods of time, but eventually unless you cycle off it, you risk some dangerous side effects including loss of muscle mass which will slow your metabolism and spiral downward from there. Other side effects have all already been mentioned so I won't rehash. But if you're using the evolutionary argument - which is a good one - then you also have to recognize that it isn't meant to be long term.
A person doesn't lose muscle mass on a properly constructed ketogenic diet. Fortunately, technology has provided us with an infinite number of ways to advance evolution, from a nutritional standpoint and otherwise; needless to say, we could literally list about a million things. I'll just list a few: table salt, potassium chloride, and magnesium citrate. Anyone on a ketogenic diet who supplements with those three minerals won't lose any more muscle mass than anyone else.
What's more, beta-hydroxybutyrate is undoubtedly one of the most powerful protein sparing substances in our body. My numbers are incomparable from 42% down to 13%. Currently, I incorporate carbs because I recognize the body is dynamic. Toward that end, contrary to the other myth about the problems of reintroducing carbs, a simple 14-day rolling correlation study shows my body responding favorably to carbs since going under 13% body fat. In fact, it's my body's most preferred macronutrient since I've gone under 10% body fat.
"Slowing metabolism" as a dangerous side effect is positively bizarre to me. The entire goal of life-extension is to get to your ideal body compositon and crash your metabolism. A high metabolism equals greater pathology. I should mention, however, that I haven't been fortunate enough to crash my metabolism: my TDEE is still 3,300, even after 14 months of a ketogenic diet.0 -
You won't crash a metabolism on keto unless like any diet, you push it on for too long on too few calories.0
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You won't crash a metabolism on keto unless like any diet, you push it on for too long on too few calories.
Exactly: unless someone is doing protein sparing modified fasts 4 or 5 times a week (or worse), it's a non-issue.0 -
Exercise, eat healthy. It is really just that simple. TDEE -20% and lift weights. Don't subscribe to gimicky diets, they may have short term loss but are not sustainable over a long term.0
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Indeed, incorporating refeeds is somewhat useful as well:
http://www.simplyshredded.com/research-review-an-in-depth-look-into-carbing-up-on-the-cyclical-ketogenic-diet-with-lyle-mcdonald.html0 -
unless you've got an autoimmune disorder, you should really steer clear of keto diets.
CoachReddy, I've never heard anyone talk about these two things together. Is keto somehow helpful for people with autoimmune issues, or did you mean metabolic disorders?
haha wow. yeah... that's what i meant. brain fart. sorry.
Lol. Ok, thanks for clearing that up. Just got my hopes up a little bit.
Actually Paleo and keto are excellent for auto immune disorders- and if you want to take it further then the auto immune protocol is even better but it's very restricted. Anyone wanting to know more about this particular point feel free to message me
Edit: my photo was taken a week ago, I haven't been able to exercise since last June....still got muscle despite spending many months bed bound. Paleo and keto have allowed me to have some of my life back and to retain a decent amount of muscle whilst severely limited in movement0 -
And with Iron_Pheonix she REALLY knows about this.0
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I didn't say you were living an unhealthy lifestyle, I said it has risks and can be dangerous long-term.
paleo is not more restricted? i follow Mark Sisson who suggests 100-150g of carbs/day.
you've been doing this for a couple months and you've seen amazing results. Congrats! But what's the endgame? Are you going to eat like this for life? Do you feel that's viable?
If done properly, Paleo is more restricted. You're unable to eat any wheat or tubers (like on keto keto), no dairy (you can have dairy on keto), and although you can have fruit, the Paleo or "caveman" diet only allows SEASONAL fruit and veg, as would've been eaten by people native to the area. This may mean little fruit, no fruit, or seasonal fruit, depending where you live.
Long term, yes. I couldn't be happier with the way Keto has treated me and although I won't restrict my carbs AS much in the future, I will still still be eliminating a lot. I'll plan to start eating some fruit again (though I didn't even eat that much before keto,) probably 50-75g of carbs a day, but there's no need for refined starches or sugar in your diet. It's as simple as that.
I disagree with this............
Paleo is not more restricted than a ketogenic way of eating.
EVERY Paleo person I know eats tubers, especially sweet potatoes and some even eat red, gold and white potatoes. Most all eat fruit too.
Keto allows basically for protein, fat and green leafy vegetables, which is a healthy way of eating, but lets not say that Paleo is more restrictive than a ketogenic way of eating.
I have done Ketogenic Paleo and recently came out of ketosis and plan on getting back in to ketosis soon.0 -
I didn't say you were living an unhealthy lifestyle, I said it has risks and can be dangerous long-term.
paleo is not more restricted? i follow Mark Sisson who suggests 100-150g of carbs/day.
you've been doing this for a couple months and you've seen amazing results. Congrats! But what's the endgame? Are you going to eat like this for life? Do you feel that's viable?
If done properly, Paleo is more restricted. You're unable to eat any wheat or tubers (like on keto keto), no dairy (you can have dairy on keto), and although you can have fruit, the Paleo or "caveman" diet only allows SEASONAL fruit and veg, as would've been eaten by people native to the area. This may mean little fruit, no fruit, or seasonal fruit, depending where you live.
Long term, yes. I couldn't be happier with the way Keto has treated me and although I won't restrict my carbs AS much in the future, I will still still be eliminating a lot. I'll plan to start eating some fruit again (though I didn't even eat that much before keto,) probably 50-75g of carbs a day, but there's no need for refined starches or sugar in your diet. It's as simple as that.
i agree with you on the latter (no need for refined starch or sugar)
But i think very few people follow paleo THAT strictly. Who cares what's "proper" or not? it's just not feasible unless you live in southern california. and the great thing about paleo is that there's no NEED to be that strict about it. Going that crazy just denies the world we actually live in, where you can get things at times a caveman couldn't.
that's a personal philosophy thing, not indicative of the majority of people who follow the paleo lifestyle.
I consider myself about 80% seasonal Paleo lifestyler..............I live in the Midwest and the majority of our growing season is April - October / November (depending on weather)
The things that I eat out of season would be citrus fruits and tropical fruits. We even have restaurants that focus on seasonal and local eating............that means if someone orders a BLT in the winter, they get a BL and no T in the months when tomatoes are not in season. 0 -
unless you've got an autoimmune disorder, you should really steer clear of keto diets.
CoachReddy, I've never heard anyone talk about these two things together. Is keto somehow helpful for people with autoimmune issues, or did you mean metabolic disorders?
haha wow. yeah... that's what i meant. brain fart. sorry.
Lol. Ok, thanks for clearing that up. Just got my hopes up a little bit.
Actually Paleo and keto are excellent for auto immune disorders- and if you want to take it further then the auto immune protocol is even better but it's very restricted. Anyone wanting to know more about this particular point feel free to message me
Edit: my photo was taken a week ago, I haven't been able to exercise since last June....still got muscle despite spending many months bed bound. Paleo and keto have allowed me to have some of my life back and to retain a decent amount of muscle whilst severely limited in movement
yeah what the hell was I thinking? for some reason I second guessed myself when the poster above asked about autoimmune disorders, but I completely forgot about my friend's mother who has controlled her MS with a paleo diet.
thinking i had a brain fart was the brain fart. lol
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I do what works for me individually, and I do eat carbs. Your right, we can not function without ANY carbs, but that's why it's called LOW-CARB and not NO-CARB. I believe I ate 65 grams of carbs yesterday I believe but I also consumed 43 grams of fiber. Hence, 22 net carbs per that day. I try to stay between 20-25grams a day. Most of that from vegetables.
I work at a sedentary job, at times 12 hours a day, am more then 100 pounds overweight, go to school, and am unable to exercise like I'd wish to without becoming a zombie from lack of sleep, so again, Keto works for me, and not for everyone.
As for your comment at looking at this like a diet, ummm... I strongly agree with that. This is a diet change for me, so I call it a diet.
Can you please, or anyone, find me a healthy lifestyle change/plan (not diet) where I can eat pizza, burgers, fries, cookies, pie and cake everyday? I don't think that's possible, I'm not going to be able to eat any of that every single day on any diet plan. I'm going with keto because I love bacon, wings, cheese, etc etc etc and can deal with that plus the vegetables everyday.
Let people decide for themselves. It's their body, they will do as they please. But, this keto diet choice is working, and helping countless individuals. My body thrives waaayyy better on fat then carbs.
Tech you can eat anything you want every day so long as you stay under your TDEE, you will lose weight.
I believe I read once that macros don't matter so much when you're losing weight, aside from an adequate amount of protein. They're more important when you're doing body recomp. Weight loss is calories in vs calories out. You don't have to over complicate things by doing low carb & restricting them. Since you're 100lbs overweight, the weight should literally fall off you from eating just a caloric deficit.
Unfortunately when you are 100 pounds overweight, about 99% of people have some level of metabolic disorder and the simple CICO doesn't work as simply as it supposedly should work.
I ate under my TDEE adhering to a calorie deficiet for years and didn't lose a pound until I started restricting carb intake. CICO often does not work when one has any type of Metabolic disorders .0 -
It's a superior diet for many reasons. It's how we all got here; that is to say, as a matter of evolutionary biology, it saved our ancestors from every major blight and famine in human history.
The diet provides a huge metabolic advantage. Compared to other diets, you can maintain all of your essential body functions while eating 8,400 fewer calories each month -- a 2.5 lb. advantage every single month.
As I've written in another post:
"[T]he reason why fat loss is so much easier for those on low carbohydate diets, especially a ketogenic diet (< 50 grams of carbs a day for most people), is because they have to eat 300 fewer calories each day, compared to everyone else trying to lose weight. Over just one week's time, that's 2,100 calories: a huge "metabolic advantage."
In that regard, the brain is unlike any other part of the body. It can only run off of two types of fuel: glucose or the ketone body beta-hydroxybutyyrate combined with a relatively small amount of glucose. Everyone's brain, regardless of his or her height and weight, uses roughly the same amount of calories.
When a person is eating less than 50 grams of carbohydrates a day, they produce sufficient amounts of the ketone body beta-hydroxybutyrate to fuel the majority of the brain's energy needs -- roughly 75%. By limiting carbohydrates and not spiking insulin all day long, ketogenic dieters are always in so-called "fat burning mode": hormone sensitive lipase is upregulated all the time, resulting in the constant breakdown and mobilization of triglycerides. As those triglycerides are broken down, the liver immediately grabs its share of the fatty acids and glycerol to fuel the brain. The liver does so by making beta-hydroxybutyrate out of the fatty acids and uses the glycerol to make glucose in a process called "gluconeogenesis."
People who simply cut calories never produce enough beta-hydroxybutyrate to sufficiently fuel their brains. As a result, they are invariably subject to hypoglycemia and have to eat carbohydrates every time their glycogen runs low. On a ketogenic diet, the brain is always taken care of endogenously through the process above. Consequently, ketogenic dieters never experience hypoglycemia and can effortlessly eat less and stick to their daily calorie goals while rarely even thinking about food. When the brain is fed, the overwhelming majority of the body's cells can function using fatty acids.
The ketogenic diet is the reason all of us are here posting in this thread. It's how our ancestors overcame every major blight and famine in human history. It's why I cringe when I hear those who never took high school biochemistry call it a 'fad'."
ETA: When people talk about the life-extension benefits of "calorie restriction," it's just a polite way of saying "carbohydrate restriction." Even then, however, most people don't really know what it works, but I'd bet a brick house against a bag of sugary donuts that it's because of the powerful attenuating effects of beta-hydroxybutyrate on oxidative stress.
This makes a fantastic amount of sense, however, let me ask you this. Our ancestors ate ketgenic diets - not out of choice, but out of necessity. They also, once given the opportunity, returned to eating more carbs when available. Essentially keto is our biochemical hibernation to help us survive the less plentiful winter. My argument continues to be the same. Those people returned to eating carbs when available, because keto is NOT optimal long term! It's great for short periods of time, but eventually unless you cycle off it, you risk some dangerous side effects including loss of muscle mass which will slow your metabolism and spiral downward from there. Other side effects have all already been mentioned so I won't rehash. But if you're using the evolutionary argument - which is a good one - then you also have to recognize that it isn't meant to be long term.
A person doesn't lose muscle mass on a properly constructed ketogenic diet. Fortunately, technology has provided us with an infinite number of ways to advance evolution, from a nutritional standpoint and otherwise; needless to say, we could literally list about a million things. I'll just list a few: table salt, potassium chloride, and magnesium citrate. Anyone on a ketogenic diet who supplements with those three minerals won't lose any more muscle mass than anyone else.
What's more, beta-hydroxybutyrate is undoubtedly one of the most powerful protein sparing substances in our body. My numbers are incomparable from 42% down to 13%. Currently, I incorporate carbs because I recognize the body is dynamic. Toward that end, contrary to the other myth about the problems of reintroducing carbs, a simple 14-day rolling correlation study shows my body responding favorably to carbs since going under 13% body fat. In fact, it's my body's most preferred macronutrient since I've gone under 10% body fat.
"Slowing metabolism" as a dangerous side effect is positively bizarre to me. The entire goal of life-extension is to get to your ideal body compositon and crash your metabolism. A high metabolism equals greater pathology. I should mention, however, that I haven't been fortunate enough to crash my metabolism: my TDEE is still 3,300, even after 14 months of a ketogenic diet.
explain the slow metabolism being an advantage over a fast one. I've got a high metabolism genetically, and everything conventional wisdom tells you is that you should eat well and exercise to raise your metabolism. I'm definitely one to question conventional wisdom and it's usually a bunch of BS, but I wasn't aware that tidbit was potentially incorrect.
honestly we probably agree on pretty much everything here - I'm currently eating primal to see if it will help with my reflux/inflammation issues. I think the difference between us philosophically is about 100g of carbs give or take. lol0 -
christ, when will these fad diets go away. its very simple:
calories in, calories out.
not that hard. you dont need to cut carbs out which our bodies have needed since year dot. carbs have not made you fat.
Considering this..............The ketogenic diet has been around in the medical literature for well over 70 years.
I don't consider that a fad.0 -
Well it's called The [Something] Diet, so that alone should disqualify it.
Everything you eat is part of YOUR diet. The term diet is what one eats........whether looking to lose, maintain, or gain weight.
A diet is a general term for what we eat.0 -
I understand why people say this but it is literally not as simple as cals in/cals out if you have insulin sensitivity or an endocrine/metabolic disorder, which I do. The number of people like me who have done cals in/ cals out 100% correctly with total commitment and just not lost anything would shock you. In a healthy body, yes but please people, realize that not every body is the same. People with insulin sensitivity have no choice but to watch their carb intake.
Yes, very true...............people that are just overweight without metabolic or endocrine dysfunction just want to call us liars and tell us to try harder, even though we KNOW that their way of simple CICO won't work for us.
It is beating a dead horse to even try to keep explaining this to them.0
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