How to target back fat?

S_U_M_M_E_R

Thanks for responding. Is NROL4W a book? I am even more impressed to hear you did this at home. Where did you find the pre-written programs?The Internet and here and there?

NROL4W - New Rules of Lifting for Women - yes, it is a book. A very insightful book for women who fear the iron. Explains a lot of things and breaks down the ever perpetuating myths. Plus contains a workout program with detailed instruction on the lifts. However, I prefer Starting Strength over NROL4W. There were a lot of accessory lifts in that program and it was just overkill for a beginner to the lifting world, IMHO. Compounds are where it's at!! They'll hit total body, more bang for the buck. As you progress, add accessory lifts. Lots of information and training programs out there. But Starting Strength and StrongLifts 5x5 are very popular here on MFP. They are not the end all, be all though.

Dizzle I think you were the only person capable of bringing logic back to this thread.

Indeed. And it is refreshing. Glad she is here.

S_U_M_M_E_R

I must think they do Not know anything ....this reads as - they don't know anything

I forget sarcasm is hard to read online.

Even if it says "I MUST not think they know what they are doing."

It's okay, I can do a Sesame Street song if needed next time.

LMAO! Don't mind her. She eats orange peels which as been tainted with chemicals which cannot be pronounced. And this came from her mouth, not mine.

No it didn't. Nice try. I gave you the chemical composition of oranges and orange peels...period. Nothing added or tainted

I can find your comment if necessary.

I eat dried orange peels...but the chemical composition with the ingredients you couldn't pronounce was based solely on an orange and an orange peel

LMAO! Now she ADMINTS she eats dried orange peels. This story changes every time I hear it. Or rather read it.

Hendrix7

Don't listen to these men. Hire a FEMALE personal trainer and talk to her. Men don't understand a woman's body. It's not the same. Women's bodies are even designed to hold on to fat in preparation for childbirth. It doesn't know there isn't a famine around the corner. Women even have certain days of the month they should be buffing and certain days of the month they should be boosting. It's based on hormones. Your diet and your workouts should be based on that. How many men can explain that one?

Seems odd then that the vast majority of top level contest prep coaches in womens fitness/bikini and bodybuilding are men.

Must be wizardry.

ashleab37

Don't listen to these men. Hire a FEMALE personal trainer and talk to her. Men don't understand a woman's body. It's not the same. Women's bodies are even designed to hold on to fat in preparation for childbirth. It doesn't know there isn't a famine around the corner. Women even have certain days of the month they should be buffing and certain days of the month they should be boosting. It's based on hormones. Your diet and your workouts should be based on that. How many men can explain that one?

1. Lose more weight.
2. Start strength training
3. If you have a back, chest, arms and shoulders, upper body strength training is probably a good idea.

- FROM A WOMAN.

ETA:

1. What in the HALE is buffing and boosting??
2. OP if you want guidance as to why you haven't lost weight during a year of exercising, you should open your diary, providing that it is accurate.
No one can really comment

^ Another vote for strength training from a woman. The basics are the same for males and females.

Cant help without seeing your diary but I would add:

4. Small calorie deficit

5. Enough protein.

I am the original poster of this comment here that said, "don't listen to men" and that "women hold more fat" I also added in the post below that I forgot to mention to LIFT WEIGHTS and suggested it. It just didn't get copied along with this quote. I am a woman too. Yes, lift weights. And yes the basics of lifting are the same. That isn't what i was referring to. I said it is harder for women to lose fat based on the fact that we are women and we have babies. I am only talking about women of childbearing age who have not gone through menopause. We hold onto fat in constant preparation for getting pregnant. I said men don't "get that". I said they lose fat easier. For one they have more muscle, two they don't have bodies which hold onto fat for the event they get pregnant. Again STRENGTH TRAIN. There are a lot of sloppy readers here so quick to post a comment without reading .

How sexist are you? Men dont understand that women hold more fat? Are you serious? Get a female trainer? WTF?

Yes women hold more fat than men. We also look leaner at higher BF% Win for us.

Changes nothing about how to retain LBM while losing body fat. Exactly the same process for men and women at all times of the month.

AT the time I originally wrote this 2 hrs ago, there were two men on here saying sexist things so I told her not to listen to the men. I meant "the two men posting". YOu are very late in coming into the conversation to be commenting on a conversation which occurred hours ago. Second of all, you are 100% incorrect that a female's hormones do not play a part in what type of workout we should be doing and how many calories or carbs we should be eating at certain days of the month. 100% for a fact incorrect. There is a bucket load of information on this. Michele Berger wrote a book on it. It is called, "hormonal timing" If you want to educate yourself on it, then please do so BEFORE saying anything else about something in which you know nothing about. Once you have done your homework IF you care to do your homework I'd love to hear your comments. Otherwise give me evidence that it is exactly the same for men as it is for women regardless of what time of month it is and prove me wrong. Either way, the ball is in your court. I have done extensive research and I don't care what you chose to do from here on out.

What sexist things....please quote them.

How about you providing evidence that we need to train to our 'hormones' to be effective?

This is the FOURTH time I have posted your evidence. It is in a book and all over the Internet by the name of "Hormonal Timing". You want me to do copy and pastes from websites and the book? Do you know how pointless that would be? Wouldn't you rather Google it and make your own decision. And then you want me to respond about the sexist comments I claim a man said 2 hours ago? Why do I have to explain this to you? Does this have ANYTHING to do with this subject of "back fat?" If my opinion of two men two hours ago was that they said something I took as sexist. Then that is MY business. It really is none of yours. You're only asking, bc you are looking for drama. The men are responsible for what they said. I am responsible for how I took at and you have nothing to do with that.

Since when does book & Internet = evidence? Where's the science? Do you know what that means?

YOu will find evidence in the before and after photos and the statements by the doctors and personal trainers and the testimonials. Go to BuffMother.com for a start. She also has a site on Facebook. You can look at the evidence and decide for yourself. I can't help you. You can't believe everything you read. YOu have to do your own research. Ever heard this one, "everything you read on the Internet is true. They can't post anything on the Internet which isn't true. I know this bc I read it on the Internet.". If you want your science, if you want your evidence, you seek it. It isn't about having things handed to you, it is about discovery and deciding for yourself what is true and not true. Do you know what that means?

We're you ever educated on debating skills? It should be common sense but I guess not. When you come with ideas and opinions rather than facts, but attempt to present them as a holistic truth, you're essentially bringing an unloaded gun to a shootout. Nobody respects people who do that. Nobody with an IQ that has 3 digits at least.

S_U_M_M_E_R

Don't listen to these men. Hire a FEMALE personal trainer and talk to her. Men don't understand a woman's body. It's not the same. Women's bodies are even designed to hold on to fat in preparation for childbirth. It doesn't know there isn't a famine around the corner. Women even have certain days of the month they should be buffing and certain days of the month they should be boosting. It's based on hormones. Your diet and your workouts should be based on that. How many men can explain that one?

Seems odd then that the vast majority of top level female contest prep coaches in fitness and bodybuilding are men.

Must be wizardry.

And you got this statistic where please? I would like to read the article.

Sarauk2sf

I like marmalade.

Sarauk2sf

I must think they do Not know anything ....this reads as - they don't know anything

I forget sarcasm is hard to read online.

Even if it says "I MUST not think they know what they are doing."

It's okay, I can do a Sesame Street song if needed next time.

LMAO! Don't mind her. She eats orange peels which as been tainted with chemicals which cannot be pronounced. And this came from her mouth, not mine.

No it didn't. Nice try. I gave you the chemical composition of oranges and orange peels...period. Nothing added or tainted

I can find your comment if necessary.

I eat dried orange peels...but the chemical composition with the ingredients you couldn't pronounce was based solely on an orange and an orange peel

LMAO! Now she ADMINTS she eats dried orange peels. This story changes every time I hear it. Or rather read it.

Did she say she did not eat orange peel or did she say that she did not eat orange peel tainted with chemicals?

toomuchbootyindapants

Don't listen to these men. Hire a FEMALE personal trainer and talk to her. Men don't understand a woman's body. It's not the same. Women's bodies are even designed to hold on to fat in preparation for childbirth. It doesn't know there isn't a famine around the corner. Women even have certain days of the month they should be buffing and certain days of the month they should be boosting. It's based on hormones. Your diet and your workouts should be based on that. How many men can explain that one?

Seems odd then that the vast majority of top level female contest prep coaches in fitness and bodybuilding are men.

Must be wizardry.

And you got this statistic where please? I would like to read the article.

All the programs I've followed thus far and currently follow .... were written by men. I'm rather happy with my results....let's hear it for men trainers! :drinker:

S_U_M_M_E_R

I must think they do Not know anything ....this reads as - they don't know anything

I forget sarcasm is hard to read online.

Even if it says "I MUST not think they know what they are doing."

It's okay, I can do a Sesame Street song if needed next time.

LMAO! Don't mind her. She eats orange peels which as been tainted with chemicals which cannot be pronounced. And this came from her mouth, not mine.

No it didn't. Nice try. I gave you the chemical composition of oranges and orange peels...period. Nothing added or tainted

I can find your comment if necessary.

I eat dried orange peels...but the chemical composition with the ingredients you couldn't pronounce was based solely on an orange and an orange peel

LMAO! Now she ADMINTS she eats dried orange peels. This story changes every time I hear it. Or rather read it.

Did she say she did not eat orange peel or did she say that she did not eat orange peel tainted with chemicals?

It was in another thread where she said that all orange peels are tainted with chemicals, but she eats them anyway. Her words.

Sarauk2sf

I like marmalade.

And Chunky Monkey from what I hear. The Chunky Monkey on your counter and the Chunky Monkey "fat d*ck" that the trainer gave you at 2:03 this evening.

Excuse me? Where did you get "fat d*ck" from?

Also, there is no Chunky Monkey on my counter.

S_U_M_M_E_R

Don't listen to these men. Hire a FEMALE personal trainer and talk to her. Men don't understand a woman's body. It's not the same. Women's bodies are even designed to hold on to fat in preparation for childbirth. It doesn't know there isn't a famine around the corner. Women even have certain days of the month they should be buffing and certain days of the month they should be boosting. It's based on hormones. Your diet and your workouts should be based on that. How many men can explain that one?

Seems odd then that the vast majority of top level female contest prep coaches in fitness and bodybuilding are men.

Must be wizardry.

And you got this statistic where please? I would like to read the article.

All the programs I've followed thus far and currently follow .... were written by men. I'm rather happy with my results....let's hear it for men trainers! :drinker:

Same here. My trainer was a man.

ashleab37

Don't listen to these men. Hire a FEMALE personal trainer and talk to her. Men don't understand a woman's body. It's not the same. Women's bodies are even designed to hold on to fat in preparation for childbirth. It doesn't know there isn't a famine around the corner. Women even have certain days of the month they should be buffing and certain days of the month they should be boosting. It's based on hormones. Your diet and your workouts should be based on that. How many men can explain that one?

1. Lose more weight.
2. Start strength training
3. If you have a back, chest, arms and shoulders, upper body strength training is probably a good idea.

- FROM A WOMAN.

ETA:

1. What in the HALE is buffing and boosting??
2. OP if you want guidance as to why you haven't lost weight during a year of exercising, you should open your diary, providing that it is accurate.
No one can really comment

^ Another vote for strength training from a woman. The basics are the same for males and females.

Cant help without seeing your diary but I would add:

4. Small calorie deficit

5. Enough protein.

I am the original poster of this comment here that said, "don't listen to men" and that "women hold more fat" I also added in the post below that I forgot to mention to LIFT WEIGHTS and suggested it. It just didn't get copied along with this quote. I am a woman too. Yes, lift weights. And yes the basics of lifting are the same. That isn't what i was referring to. I said it is harder for women to lose fat based on the fact that we are women and we have babies. I am only talking about women of childbearing age who have not gone through menopause. We hold onto fat in constant preparation for getting pregnant. I said men don't "get that". I said they lose fat easier. For one they have more muscle, two they don't have bodies which hold onto fat for the event they get pregnant. Again STRENGTH TRAIN. There are a lot of sloppy readers here so quick to post a comment without reading .

How sexist are you? Men dont understand that women hold more fat? Are you serious? Get a female trainer? WTF?

Yes women hold more fat than men. We also look leaner at higher BF% Win for us.

Changes nothing about how to retain LBM while losing body fat. Exactly the same process for men and women at all times of the month.

AT the time I originally wrote this 2 hrs ago, there were two men on here saying sexist things so I told her not to listen to the men. I meant "the two men posting". YOu are very late in coming into the conversation to be commenting on a conversation which occurred hours ago. Second of all, you are 100% incorrect that a female's hormones do not play a part in what type of workout we should be doing and how many calories or carbs we should be eating at certain days of the month. 100% for a fact incorrect. There is a bucket load of information on this. Michele Berger wrote a book on it. It is called, "hormonal timing" If you want to educate yourself on it, then please do so BEFORE saying anything else about something in which you know nothing about. Once you have done your homework IF you care to do your homework I'd love to hear your comments. Otherwise give me evidence that it is exactly the same for men as it is for women regardless of what time of month it is and prove me wrong. Either way, the ball is in your court. I have done extensive research and I don't care what you chose to do from here on out.

What sexist things....please quote them.

How about you providing evidence that we need to train to our 'hormones' to be effective?

This is the FOURTH time I have posted your evidence. It is in a book and all over the Internet by the name of "Hormonal Timing". You want me to do copy and pastes from websites and the book? Do you know how pointless that would be? Wouldn't you rather Google it and make your own decision. And then you want me to respond about the sexist comments I claim a man said 2 hours ago? Why do I have to explain this to you? Does this have ANYTHING to do with this subject of "back fat?" If my opinion of two men two hours ago was that they said something I took as sexist. Then that is MY business. It really is none of yours. You're only asking, bc you are looking for drama. The men are responsible for what they said. I am responsible for how I took at and you have nothing to do with that.

Since when does book & Internet = evidence? Where's the science? Do you know what that means?

YOu will find evidence in the before and after photos and the statements by the doctors and personal trainers and the testimonials. Go to BuffMother.com for a start. She also has a site on Facebook. You can look at the evidence and decide for yourself. I can't help you. You can't believe everything you read. YOu have to do your own research. Ever heard this one, "everything you read on the Internet is true. They can't post anything on the Internet which isn't true. I know this bc I read it on the Internet.". If you want your science, if you want your evidence, you seek it. It isn't about having things handed to you, it is about discovery and deciding for yourself what is true and not true. Do you know what that means?

We're you ever educated on debating skills? It should be common sense but I guess not. When you come with ideas and opinions rather than facts, but attempt to present them as a holistic truth, you're essentially bringing an unloaded gun to a shootout. Nobody respects people who do that. Nobody with an IQ that has 3 digits at least.

The fact that you have a misspelled word as the first word of your sentence has already made me lose interest in reading the rest of what you have to say. "We're" should be "were" However, just to humor you, I did read it. You want to talk about IQ with me and begin THAT sentence with the word, "Nobody?" I really don't give a **** what you think. I don't care whether you want to educate yourself on the topic or not. I really don't care to prove anything to you. Don't believe me. Big whoopty doo! Someone from the Internet who is 25 years old and who doesn't know me doesn't respect me. That "somebody" who starts a sentence with the word, "nobody". It's YOUR problem, not mine.

Auto correct and mis spelling are two very different things, sweetheart.

You really have an age issue, don't you? I can't tell if you're 15 and jealous Mummy won't let you drink, or 60 and upset you wasted your life.... Hmm, mysteries are always fun though.

Also, NOBODY here has any respect for your opinions. Maybe time to keep them to yourself.

CaffeinatedConfectionist

This thread is the best thing that has happened to me on an overnight shift, ever. Also, in before the lock.

Sarauk2sf

I like marmalade.

And Chunky Monkey from what I hear. The Chunky Monkey on your counter and the Chunky Monkey "fat d*ck" that the trainer gave you at 2:03 this evening.

Excuse me? Where did you get "fat d*ck" from?

Also, there is no Chunky Monkey on my counter.

Chunky monkey means, "fat d*ck". Urban dictionary is your friend if you're going to interact in places like these. You're welcome.

*le sigh*

Sarauk2sf

I like marmalade.

And Chunky Monkey from what I hear. The Chunky Monkey on your counter and the Chunky Monkey "fat d*ck" that the trainer gave you at 2:03 this evening.

Excuse me? Where did you get "fat d*ck" from?

Also, there is no Chunky Monkey on my counter.

Besides being at Tom and Jerry's, Chunky monkey means, "fat d*ck". Urban dictionary is your friend if you're going to interact in places like these. You're welcome.

It's Ben & Jerry's

And why on earth would I ever check urban dictionary every time someone made a comment about ice-cream - I like ice-cream as you can tell from my ticker - it's a brand of ice-cream.

ashleab37

I must think they do Not know anything ....this reads as - they don't know anything

I forget sarcasm is hard to read online.

Even if it says "I MUST not think they know what they are doing."

It's okay, I can do a Sesame Street song if needed next time.

LMAO! Don't mind her. She eats orange peels which as been tainted with chemicals which cannot be pronounced. And this came from her mouth, not mine.

No it didn't. Nice try. I gave you the chemical composition of oranges and orange peels...period. Nothing added or tainted

I can find your comment if necessary.

I eat dried orange peels...but the chemical composition with the ingredients you couldn't pronounce was based solely on an orange and an orange peel

LMAO! Now she ADMINTS she eats dried orange peels. This story changes every time I hear it. Or rather read it.

Did she say she did not eat orange peel or did she say that she did not eat orange peel tainted with chemicals?

It was in another thread where she said that all orange peels are tainted with chemicals, but she eats them anyway. Her words.

Are you scared of hydrogen dioxide as well? It's a chemical that (I sure as hell hope) you consume daily. I doubt it's done any harm to you yet!

RunDoozer

I like marmalade.

And Chunky Monkey from what I hear. The Chunky Monkey on your counter and the Chunky Monkey "fat d*ck" that the trainer gave you at 2:03 this evening.

Excuse me? Where did you get "fat d*ck" from?

Also, there is no Chunky Monkey on my counter.

Besides being at Tom and Jerry's, Chunky monkey means, "fat d*ck". Urban dictionary is your friend if you're going to interact in places like these. You're welcome.

Tom and Jerry's ... Did they kick ben out? Are they a couple now? Are they playing cat and mouse?

jamiek917

I like marmalade.

And Chunky Monkey from what I hear. The Chunky Monkey on your counter and the Chunky Monkey "fat d*ck" that the trainer gave you at 2:03 this evening.

Excuse me? Where did you get "fat d*ck" from?

Also, there is no Chunky Monkey on my counter.

Besides being at Tom and Jerry's, Chunky monkey means, "fat d*ck". Urban dictionary is your friend if you're going to interact in places like these. You're welcome.

id love to see you both on Jerry Springer. $100 says Sara will kick the *kitten* out of you.

i think this forum drama is petty and ridiculous. that being said, Sara is highly informative and well versed in the area of health and fitness, and has an educational forum where she selflessly offers her time and advice to others. i'd listen to her...and i do.

ashleab37

I like marmalade.

And Chunky Monkey from what I hear. The Chunky Monkey on your counter and the Chunky Monkey "fat d*ck" that the trainer gave you at 2:03 this evening.

Excuse me? Where did you get "fat d*ck" from?

Also, there is no Chunky Monkey on my counter.

Besides being at Tom and Jerry's, Chunky monkey means, "fat d*ck". Urban dictionary is your friend if you're going to interact in places like these. You're welcome.

It's Ben & Jerry's

But Tom is SO much cuter ;-)

S_U_M_M_E_R

I like marmalade.

And Chunky Monkey from what I hear. The Chunky Monkey on your counter and the Chunky Monkey "fat d*ck" that the trainer gave you at 2:03 this evening.

Excuse me? Where did you get "fat d*ck" from?

Also, there is no Chunky Monkey on my counter.

Besides being at Tom and Jerry's, Chunky monkey means, "fat d*ck". Urban dictionary is your friend if you're going to interact in places like these. You're welcome.

Tom and Jerry's ... Did they kick ben out? Are they a couple now? Are they playing cat and mouse?

LMAO! What happened was the Jerry heard Tom had Chunky Monkey and Ben got kicked to the curb.