how do people feel about aspartame?

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  • Robin_Bin
    Robin_Bin Posts: 1,046 Member
    so it was conclusively the aspartamine.. she couldnt have had other bad health problems or be out of shape?? there are people who have been consuming sweetnlow for like 30+ years and still dont have health problems.. what do you say to them?

    As I said in an earlier post, I get migraines from aspartame. But if others want to ingest it... their choice. (Although I'll continue to suggest it as a possible cause of migraines to others who suffer from them.)

    However the argument quoted above struck me as particularly bad. There are people who have been smoking cigarettes for like 30+ years and still don't have health problems. #1 Just because some people haven't had bad health effects doesn't mean it's healthy. Many things increase the chances of ill health but don't guarantee it. #2 Sweet'n Low is primarily saccharine, not aspartame.
  • Kanohane
    Kanohane Posts: 112 Member
    never killed anyone.. prove me wrong?

    Easily could have killed me. Aspartame was causing me to have seizures. Not falling down in the floor, just "lights out" seizures. It actually happened when I was driving, but thank goodness I was stopped at a light. I am very glad we figured out is was aspartame and I didn't have to spend the rest of my life taking anti-seizure meds and washing them down with a diet drink.
    Are you dead? I love aspartame......never had any issues from it
  • mjb1986
    mjb1986 Posts: 7 Member
    I think the only way to eat healthy is to eat whole foods. I don't waste time on artificial sweeteners.
  • SwimFan1981
    SwimFan1981 Posts: 1,430 Member
    I dont use it, I eat fruit, veg, nuts, seeds and whole grains and a little bean curd....I don't need it adding to my food to make it taste better. I don't drink soft drinks because to me, they taste horrendous.

    Each to their own though :drinker:
  • Matt_Wild
    Matt_Wild Posts: 2,673 Member
    Aspartame is a methyl ester of the dipeptide of the natural amino acids L-aspartic acid and L-phenylalanine. It is the same amino acids as you find in chicken/beef and other similar meats.

    There is no reason to avoid it, unless you find you have an allergic reaction, such as one may find with dairy or peanut butter or similar. The same rules apply.
  • Iron_Pheonix
    Iron_Pheonix Posts: 191 Member
    When I need to take vitamins (which is rare) I that ones that come from food sources and not a lab.
    So say someone is obese and lacking in vitamins and you suggest they get them from food sources, and those food sources they need them from put them calorie surplus each day. Would that still be your suggestion or would vitamins from a bottle be better? This it NOT an unusual case BTW. Happens in VLCD all the time.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    Considering your qualifications, from one professional to another.....do you not consider the health of your clients to be more important? Any obese client should be focusing their diet on nutritionally dense foods, including vegetables etc.. and this certainly wouldn't be difficult on VLCD either.
    Lots of obese clients don't like vegetables. Probably why it may have contributed to their obesity. Sorry, but it's not easy getting them to convert over and it would make more sense that the at the very least get in their essential micros even if it's in vitamin pill form than not getting it all.
    Put these people on VLCD, and it would even be less of chance.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    Which is exactly why it's your job to re educate them on their diet. I have never had trouble with this with any of my clients.

    There are also a number of companies that now sell food based vitamins: Terra Nova, Garden of Life, Rainbow etc...
  • Ronnvee
    Ronnvee Posts: 19 Member
    Personally, I think aspartame will be touted as being safe until the day either Coke or Pepsi find an alternative and then it will become the worst poison man can make.
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    When I need to take vitamins (which is rare) I that ones that come from food sources and not a lab.
    So say someone is obese and lacking in vitamins and you suggest they get them from food sources, and those food sources they need them from put them calorie surplus each day. Would that still be your suggestion or would vitamins from a bottle be better? This it NOT an unusual case BTW. Happens in VLCD all the time.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    Considering your qualifications, from one professional to another.....do you not consider the health of your clients to be more important? Any obese client should be focusing their diet on nutritionally dense foods, including vegetables etc.. and this certainly wouldn't be difficult on VLCD either.
    Lots of obese clients don't like vegetables. Probably why it may have contributed to their obesity. Sorry, but it's not easy getting them to convert over and it would make more sense that the at the very least get in their essential micros even if it's in vitamin pill form than not getting it all.
    Put these people on VLCD, and it would even be less of chance.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    Which is exactly why it's your job to re educate them on their diet. I have never had trouble with this with any of my clients.

    There are also a number of companies that now sell food based vitamins: Terra Nova, Garden of Life, Rainbow etc...

    ^ boom.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,024 Member
    When I need to take vitamins (which is rare) I that ones that come from food sources and not a lab.
    So say someone is obese and lacking in vitamins and you suggest they get them from food sources, and those food sources they need them from put them calorie surplus each day. Would that still be your suggestion or would vitamins from a bottle be better? This it NOT an unusual case BTW. Happens in VLCD all the time.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    Considering your qualifications, from one professional to another.....do you not consider the health of your clients to be more important? Any obese client should be focusing their diet on nutritionally dense foods, including vegetables etc.. and this certainly wouldn't be difficult on VLCD either.
    Lots of obese clients don't like vegetables. Probably why it may have contributed to their obesity. Sorry, but it's not easy getting them to convert over and it would make more sense that the at the very least get in their essential micros even if it's in vitamin pill form than not getting it all.
    Put these people on VLCD, and it would even be less of chance.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    Which is exactly why it's your job to re educate them on their diet. I have never had trouble with this with any of my clients.

    There are also a number of companies that now sell food based vitamins: Terra Nova, Garden of Life, Rainbow etc...
    You're a special snowflake then. Obesity clients are some of the toughest to try to convince to switch based on success/fail rate. It's a slow process. If you're that good, then you should become a specialist on it and save lives.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
  • Adw7677
    Adw7677 Posts: 201 Member
    I don't worry about it as I do not ingest copious amounts of it or have a sensitivity to it.


    I agree.

    Speaking as a fat girl with a family history of diabetes and cancer, obesity is GUARANTEED to shorten my life.
    Aspartame poisoning, on the other hand, is questionable. Some people say it's bad, others say you have to eat a billion pounds of it (or something like that) to equal the amount the lab rats were given. It causes migraines in some people, but not in everyone. I tend to compare food/diet risks with the risks of obesity since it's so real for me.

    The older I get, the more I do prefer to eat natural things. Agave nectar may be the best for you, or it might just be the latest fad sweetener. We probably won't know for sure for another 50 years (like everything else). If you WANT to enjoy sugarfree gum. just work at it. I've gotten to where I *love* when something is made with Splenda. Regular sugar leaves a weird, tangy aftertaste in my mouth. Unless it's in baked goods (my weakness), that's a different story.

    But anyways, long story short... There's good/bad on everything out there., and everybody is unique. Just go with what your body tells you.
  • Adw7677
    Adw7677 Posts: 201 Member
    never killed anyone.. prove me wrong?

    Easily could have killed me. Aspartame was causing me to have seizures. Not falling down in the floor, just "lights out" seizures. It actually happened when I was driving, but thank goodness I was stopped at a light. I am very glad we figured out is was aspartame and I didn't have to spend the rest of my life taking anti-seizure meds and washing them down with a diet drink.
    Are you dead? I love aspartame......never had any issues from it


    Really? Are you stupid or just a troll? Are you really expecting a dead person to respond here? THANK GOODNESS they aren't dead.
  • 000WhiteRose000
    000WhiteRose000 Posts: 266 Member
    You should experiment and decide for yourself. I hate the damn thing but I think I am sensitive to it.
    Why eat it when you can eat Stevia which is natural?
  • Lesa_Sass
    Lesa_Sass Posts: 2,213 Member
    I have an auto immune disease which is now in remission after cutting this crap out of my diet. So, it is true for me.

    http://lifeabundantly-alim.blogspot.com/2011/08/lupus-cancer-diabetes-link-to-aspartame.html


    Lupus, Cancer, Diabetes link to Aspartame

    The following article is everything you need to know about the dangers of artificial sweeteners especially aspartame. Everything from diabetes, liver failure, blindness and a whole bevy of auto-immune diseases, such as Lupus are linked conclusively to the use of Donald Rumsfeld's poisonous sweetener. Oh, did I mention CANCER? Aspartame is a leading cause of cancer. So read as much of this rather long article as you need to and pass it on to anyone you know suffering from just about anything and tell them to stop the aspartame. Life will get better.

    Lupus - Good And Bad News
    By Dr. Betty Martini, D.Hum
    8-11-11


    If the patient is on aspartame get off of it. Aspartame Disease mimics and can precipitate lupus. In cases where it just mimics it, it usually is gone on abstinence and detoxification. In the cases where it actually precipitated it, but the victim was warned in time and abstained, at least in the ones I know of, they became asymptomatic.

    Here is how it happens as explained by Dr. James Bowen: "The ability of methyl alcohol/formaldehyde to create antigenicity, especially as combined in APM molecules is so great as to cause severe autoimmune reactions to the tissues deformed by formaldehyde polymerization, adduct formation. The immune system turns against the victim's tissues: Lupus".

    Personally, I would worry about dangerous drugs. One doctor told me he wouldn't even prescribe a new drug until it was on the market for a year, and not for his family until it was on the market 5 years. I have a feeling this one was made because so many people have lupus from aspartame. I've heard of too many victims of aspartame lupus who weren't warned because they did not have the above information and lost their lives. So the reason for this note is to warn all lupus victims if they are on aspartame get off of it.

    Remember aspartame is an adjuvant, an immune stimulator, and adjuvants all cause the same things, autism, MS, lupus, ALS, Parkinson's and other neurological problems. Aspartame (NutraSweet, AminoSweet, Canderel, E951, Benevia, Equal, etc.) is not an additive but an addictive, excitoneurotoxic, carcinogenic, genetically engineered drug and adjuvant that damages the mitochondria and interacts with drugs and vaccines.

    So, if someone reading this is on aspartame and has lupus, the first thing they should do is get off the aspartame and see if their symptoms disappear.

    Regards,
    Betty
    www.mpwhi.com

    Aspartame Resource Guide

    Aspartame medical text, Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic, www.sunsentpress.com by H. J. Roberts, M.D., over 1000 pages He also has other books on aspartame and just published "A Manifesto for American Medicine"
    Dr. Leonard Coldwell's Detox Formula: http://www.mpwhi.com/resources-coldwell.htm His new book is "The Only Answer to Cancer".

    Detox formula: "What To Do If You Have Used Aspartame" by neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock, M.D., www.wnho.net/wtdaspartame.htm Dr. Blaylock is author of Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills, www.russellblaylockmd.com He has an excellent CD titled: "The Truth About Aspartame", www.atavistik.com All info is on http://www.mpwhi.com/blaylock_wellness_center.htm

    Aspartame documentary: Sweet Misery: A Poisoned World, Cori Brackett <cori@sweetremedyradio.com>

    Aspartame Information List, you can subscribe on www.mpwhi.com scroll down to banners.

    How to get aspartame out of your state: http://www.thenhf.com/press_releases/pr_24_feb_2009.html
    Information on how aspartame blinds: http://www.mpwhi.com/nfb_aspartame_and_vision.htm

    Safe Sweetener: Just Like Sugar, www.justlikesugarinc.om Can be found in places like Whole Foods. Made of chicory and orange peel, Calcium and Vitamin C. Chicory has been used for 70 years to improve the health of diabetics. Dr. Russell Blaylock wrote in his newsletter, The Blaylock Wellness Report, www.russellblaylockmd.com "Finally a safe sweetener".
    Special warning for diabetics: Aspartame can precipitate diabetes, simulates and aggravates diabetic retinopathy and neuropathy, destroys the optic nerve, causes diabetics to go into convulsions, and even interacts with insulin. The free methyl alcohol causes diabetics to lose limbs. Jeanette Soto, Mission Possible Brookville, Fla, who wrote "Blinded Sight" when her husband lost his sight from aspartame was unable to get her father-in-law, diabetic off aspartame because of the addiction. The free methyl alcohol is classified as a narcotic. It causes chronic methanol poisoning which affects the dopamine system of the brain and causes the addiction. When Jeanette's father-in-law, Santiago Echiverria died it had to be a closed casket, the formaldehyde from the free methyl alcohol was oozing out of his skin. The American Diabetes Assn was sued in 2004 for racketeering for pushing aspartame on diabetics, but because of their power got out of it.
    Today people are dying of the methanol poisoning. Dr. James Bowen explains:
    "Only after longer aspartame usage does liver damage cause blood methanol levels to measurably rise because the liver mitochondria are so damaged that the liver no longer quickly processes either methyl or ethyl (drink) alcohol. Then the acute methanol poisoning is directly measurable from lab results, as the blood methanol level elevates. This entire sequence or "toxic axis" begins with your very first dose of aspartame. Both acute and chronic poisonings from this methanol toxic axis, and other additive and synergistic aspartame poisonings, steadily accumulate in the aspartame consumer." We continue to get reports of people dying of methanol poisoning. Charles Fleming died and his wife, a Sunday School teacher, remains in a prison in Virginia. The detective on the case said, "Diane is innocent but because I was promoted I could not stop the indictment." Be warned no diabetic should ever consume wood alcohol. The FDA did no NOAEL on methanol. Without it you cannot set an ADI, allowable daily intake. It's 44% too high.


    Aspartame Warning Flyer for distribution: http://www.mpwhi.com/warning_flyer_on_aspartame.htm
    The Lethal Science of Splenda: http://www.wnho.net/splenda_chlorocarbon.htm
    Studies have shown that sucralose can:

    * Cause the thymus to shrink by as much as 40% (the thymus is your immune powerhouse - it produces T cells)
    * Cause enlargement of the liver and kidneys
    * Reduce growth rate as much as 20%
    * Cause enlargement of the large bowel area
    * Reduce the amount of good bacteria in the intestines by 50%
    * Increase the pH level in the intestines (a risk factor for colon cancer)
    * Contribute to weight gain
    * Cause aborted pregnancy low fetal body weight
    * Reduce red blood cell count

    Particular warning to diabetics: Researchers found that diabetic patients using sucralose showed a statistically significant increase in glycosylated hemoglobin, a marker that is used to assess glycemic control in diabetic patients. According to the FDA, "increases in glycosolation in hemoglobin imply lessening of control of diabetes."
    Here is how Splenda is made: http://www.wnho.net/chemical_processing_of_splenda.htm
    Ajinomoto just announced a new name for aspartame called AminoSweet. Be warned.

    Web sites: www.mpwhi.com, www.dorway.com and www.wnho.net
    Aspartame Toxicity Center, www.holisticmed.com/aspartame
    Also, you may be interested in the history of aspartame just reported for Prop 65:

    Cynthia O****a
    Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment
    Proposition 65 Implementation
    P.O. Box 4010 1001 I Street, 19th floor
    Sacramento, California 95812-4010
    FAX (916) 323-8803

    Dear Ms. O****a:

    In reading available information, I assume you want mostly how aspartame relates to cancer. Indeed it is a carcinogen, proven so by many scientific studies. Aspartame also triggers many other serious diseases which fill the 1,000+ page medical text, Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic, www.sunsentpress.com by H. J. Roberts, M.D.

    When FDA Commissioner Dr. Von Eschenbach took office I wrote him about aspartame and cancer, mainly due to his professed intention to save cancer victims; so much of this has already been done. http://www.mpwhi.com/project_recall_aspartame.htm Later 12 toxicologists asked the FDA to ban aspartame because of the long term Ramazzini studies on large rat populations showing aspartame is "a multipotential carcinogen". http://www.cspinet.org/new/pdf/aspartame_letter_to_fda.pdf
    Now I'll go back to the beginning.

    Aspartame was not approved by science but thru the political chicanery of Don Rumsfeld. D.C. Attorney James Turner, explains how Rumsfeld did it in the documentary Sweet Misery, a Poisoned World. Here's a clip from the movie so you can hear what he said: http://www.soundandfury.tv/pages/rumsfeld2.html

    Searle's problem was they couldn't get studies to show safety. For example, in the Bressler Report: http://www.mpwhi.com/aspartame_news.htm you read where they would excise brain tumors from the rats, put them back in the study and after they died resurrected them back on paper. They even filtered out neoplasms to hide them from the FDA. Repeatedly Searle was caught in this criminal activity.
    On January 10, 1977 in a 33 page letter, FDA Chief Counsel Richard Merrill recommended to the Justice Department Attorney Sam Skinner that a grand jury investigate Searle for "apparent violations of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, 21 USC 331 (e), and the False Reports to the Government Act, 18 U.S.C. 1001, for "their willful and knowing failure to make reports to the Food and Drug Administration required by the Act, 21 U.S.C 355 (i) and making false statements in reports of animal studies conducted to establish the safety of aspartame." The FDA called special attention to studies investigating the effect of NutraSweet on monkeys and hamsters.

    Searle was caught dead to rights, so they hired Skinner, made him a deal he couldn't refuse. So the former Justice Department prosecutor became a defender. Next at bat - U. S. Prosecutor William Conlon, promptly switched sides too. By then the statute of limitations had expired. Searle knew they couldn't win the case so they simply hired the prosecutors. The Godfather hired the District Attorneys!
    Nevertheless the FDA had no intention of approving aspartame. The fraud was so great that Dr. John Olney (who with James Turner fought against approval of aspartame ) told Searle to do studies in his lab so he could see that they were done honestly, with supervision. Dr. Olney believed the FDA wouldn't approve aspartame because the studies showed it produced brain damaged. What he didn't anticipate is that Searle didn't submit these findings to the FDA.

    January 30, 1980 the Public Board of Inquiry revoked Searle's petition for approval declaring that they had "not been presented with proof of reasonable certainty that aspartame is safe for use as a food additive." Searle had spent $17 million on an aspartame factory and had no intention of giving up, poison or no. At this point they hired Donald Rumsfeld who said he would call in his markers and get it approved anyway.
    What were those markers? President Reagan had told Rumsfeld he would be nominated for vice president, but instead selected Bush number 1.

    The day after Reagan took office he appointed Dr. Arthur Hull Hayes as the new FDA Commissioner, to over-rule the Board of Inquiry. Reagan knew it would take 30 days to get Hayes to the FDA , so he wrote an Executive Order making the FDA powerless to do anything about aspartame. At 3 AM that night a member of Reagan's staff called the FDA Commissioner Jere Goyan and fired him. Here is a letter from his wife who was there when the terminating call came in: http://www.mpwhi.com/letter_about_jere_goyan.pdf

    Once aspartame was on the market there was outrage as consumers were diagnosed with seizures, multiple sclerosis and blindness from the free methyl alcohol releases. Senator Orrin Hatch, on Monsanto's payroll, obstructed hearings on aspartame for years, but there were 3 Congressional hearings from 1985 to l987. Hatch was on Monsanto's payroll, and kept the bill in committee that would put a moratorium on aspartame until NIH completed independent studies on the flood of aspartame problems they were seeing: seizures, blindness, headaches, sexual dysfunction, behavioral problems, especially in children, drug interactions and birth defects.
    About that time Dr. James Bowen wrote FDA that "aspartame is mass poisoning of the American public and 70 countries" - today over 100. http://www.dorway.com/drbowen.txt The good doctor wrote: "For this reason, I am opposed to labeling aspartame content of food and drinks. To do so would imply that the government is taking some sort of responsible action....when the only responsible action would be to immediately take aspartame off the market, fully disclose its toxicities, offer full compensation to the injured, public and criminally prosecute anyone who participated in the fraudulent placement of aspartame on the marketplace."

    How was the new FDA Commissioner, Arthur Hayes, get rewarded for over-ruling the Board of Inquiry? He was hired as a consultant to NutraSweet's PR Agency on a 10-year contract at $1,000.00 a day, and nobody's heard a peep from him since, he got lockjaw. Who ever heard of a PR guy who won't talk?

    Now they began funding professional organizations ladies-of-the-evening like the American Diabetes Assn, American Dietetic Assn and numerous others to propagandize the public with touting asparshame. Of course they also threatened scientists whose studies identified the toxicity of this poison. In the UPI Investigation Dr. Wurtman was threatened if he did studies on aspartame and seizures he would lose his funding. He capitulated. Read this report on the 8 month investigation by United Press International: http://www.mpwhi.com/upi_1987_aspartame_report.pdf Dr. Wurtman, too, got a terrible case of aspartame lockjaw, but MIT still gets the money.

    ILSI, the International Life Sciences Institute, was born in 1978 as a "research" front for our favorite poisoners. It's board members are from Coke, Pepsi, Searle, Monsanto and the rest of the usual suspects. If a university won't play their way the get no pay, that is to say, funding for fake "research".

    Over the years many independent studies have been done. The manufacturers say 200 studies that aspartame is safe as rain. Some of those were the ones FDA found fraudulent and sought prosecution for, and others were simply bought and paid for quack studies from rubber duck labs.
    Consider seizure studies by Monsanto, they bought Searle in l985: http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/abuse/seizures.html Seizures are listed 5 times on the FDA report of 92 symptoms that range from male sexual dysfunction to death: http://www.mpwhi.com/92_aspartame_symptoms.pdf People are having so many seizures and going blind on aspartame that the Community Nutrition Institute filed a petition to ban aspartame in l986. Again the manufacturers put in the fix to prevent it from being banned.
    They were so worried someone would have a seizure they actually gave people anti-seizure medication in the Rowan study. '
    Another impeccable "study" involved one-day consumption of, believe it or not: a single capsule of aspartame. Tantamount to smelling the bottle. The got it peer reviewed with their power. So when consumers complain of seizures they say "we did studies and aspartame doesn't cause seizures".
    I smoked a Lucky once and I'm fine, so nicotine doesn't cause cancer!

    They have all bases covered. Today front groups like Calorie Control Council, with full knowledge that aspartame causes birth defects and mental retardation actually push the poison: http://www.wnho.net/mh_aspartame_letter.htm

    When 60 Minutes did a story about aspartame and brain tumors the manufactures claimed to have all these studies showing safety. Dr. Ralph Walton who was on the show decided to research who funded the "studies": http://www.dorway.com/peerrev.html Note that 92% of independent peer-reviewed studies show problems aspartame causes, while those funded or controlled by industry all say it's safe. If you eliminate 6 studies the FDA, aspartame's branch office in Washington, messed with, and one pro-aspartame sponsored summary, 100% of independent scientific peer reviewed studies show aspartame problems.

    As Dr. Bowen said: this is mass poisoning of the world. Aspartame destroys the brain, the optic nerve, the immune system and central nervous system. It devastates every organ of the body. Epidemic obesity, diabetes, sexual dysfunction, retinopathy and neuropathy, optic nerve destruction, convulsions and insulin reactions, MS, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, IQ depreciation and dozens of other afflictions have been inflicted upon us by this deadly neurotoxic carcinogenic "sweetener".

    According to the prestigious Ecologist, aspartame was listed with the pentagon in an inventory of prospective biochemical warfare weapons submitted to Congress. http://www.mpwhi.com/ecologist_september_2005.pdf

    Studies show the horrific damage done to the body. For instance, the Trocho Study shows the formaldehyde converted from the free methyl alcohol actually embalms tissue and damages DNA. www.mpwhi.com/formaldehyde_from_aspartame.pdf


    Here are summaries of the two aspartame studies, Ramazzini, that showed aspartame to be a multipotential carcinogen, passed down through the mother:


    DR. MORANDO SOFFRITTI, lead researcher on two groundbreaking long-term aspartame studies. He was recently honored at New York's Mt Sinai School of Medicine with the Irving J Selikoff Award For his outstanding contributions to the identification of environmental and industrial carcinogens and his promotion of independent scientific research. Reviewing his two impeccable aspartame studies. Dr. Soffritti explains:

    The first ERF study (2005) was conducted on 1800 Sprague-Dawley rats (100-150/per sex/per group) In order to simulate daily human intake, aspartame was added to the standard rat diet in quantities of 5000, 2500, 100, 500, 20, 4, and 0 mg/Kg of body weight. Treatment of the animals began at 8 weeks of age and continued until spontaneous death. The results show that APM causes a statistically significant, dose-related increase of lymphomas/leukemias and malignant tumors of the renal pelvis in females and malignant tumors of peripheral nerves in males. These results demonstrate for the first time that APM is a carcinogenic agent, capable of inducing malignancies at various dose levels, including those lower than the current acceptable daily intake (ADI) for humans (50 mg/kg of body weight in the US, 40 mg/kg of body weight in the EU).

    The second ERF study (2007) was conducted on 400 Sprague-Dawley rats (70-95/per sex/per group). In order to simulate daily human intake, aspartame was added to the standard rat diet in quantities of 100, 20, and 0 mg/Kg of body weight. Treatment of the animals began on the 12th day of fetal life until natural death. The results of the second study show an increased incidence of lymphomas/leukemias in female rats with respect to the first study. Moreover, the study shows that when lifespan exposure to APM begins during fetal life, the age at which lymphomas/leukemias develop in females is anticipated. For the first time, a statistically significant increase in mammary cancers in females was also observed in the second study. The results of this transplacental carcinogenicity bioassay not only confirm, but also reinforce the first experimental demonstration of APMs multipotential carcinogenicity.

    Over six years ago I petitioned the FDA to ban aspartame. The FDA has 180 days to answer it. They refuse, obviously because I'm using their own words, and they don't know how to get around the fact that everything is a matter of record. If it wasn't so criminal one would have to laugh at their propaganda - the idea that someone might even consider believing them. For instance, they will tell you there is just a small amount of methanol, and there is more in oranges. What they don't say is that in oranges that it is accompanied by ethanol which is the classic antidote for methanol toxicity and takes it out of your body safely. Here is a peer reviewed journal article about it. http://www.mpwhi.com/aspartame_methanol_and_public_health.pdf Methanol also binds to pectin. In aspartame there is no ethanol. Here is their basic propaganda answered with references: http://dorway.com/dorwblog/?page_id=606

    A detox formula for aspartame victims endorsed by Dr. Russell Blaylock, Neurosurgeon: www.wnho.net.wtdaspartame.htm Available are his excellent books and a CD :"The Truth About Aspartame"

    There are efforts now in states and countries to rid the planet of aspartame. It is genetically engineered. The manufacturers are get people in high places addicted. When I testified to the Senate in New Mexico, half the senators were sipping Diet Coke. Presidents Clinton and Bush were addicted. Methanol is classified as a narcotic, it causes chronic methanol poisoning. This effects the dopamine system of the brain producing addiction.

    I've lectured in other countries and I can tell you people are sick and dying the world over on this poison. It would be great to see it banned from California. First of all its illegally on the market because it violates the Delaney Amendment. Here are comments from an FDA toxicologist, Dr. Adrian Gross, to Congress on 8/1/85:


    Dr. Gross testified that at least one of Searle's studies "has established beyond ANY REASONABLE DOUBT that aspartame is capable of inducing brain tumors in experimental animals and that this predisposition of it is of extremely high significance. ... In view of these indications that the cancer causing potential of aspartame is a matter that had been established WAY BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT, one can ask: What is the reason for the apparent refusal by the FDA to invoke for this food additive the so-called Delaney Amendment to the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act?"

    The Delaney Amendment makes it illegal to allow any residues of cancer causing chemicals in foods. In his concluding testimony Gross asked, "Given the cancer causing potential of aspartame how would the FDA justify its position that it views a certain amount of aspartame as constituting an allowable daily intake or 'safe' level of it? Is that position in effect not equivalent to setting a 'tolerance' for this food additive and thus a violation of that law? And if the FDA itself elects to violate the law, who is left to protect the health of the public?" Congressional Record SID835:131 (August 1, l985)

    Here is my letter to the Assembly Committee on Health which exposes the fact that it's adulterated: http://www.mpwhi.com/letter_to_a_n_kim_california_ach.htm The adulteration means it violates interstate commerce laws.

    Consumer power is winning the war against this toxin. Holland Sweetener, the largest European aspartame producer closed in 2006. Another European maker also quit. In Japan Tosh stopped making it as well. Merisant, in the USA went bankrupt for $230,000,000 in January, 2009. 47 members of Parliament signed for a ban in the UK. There is continuing effort to get banned in the Philippines. Romania banned it in the early 90's because it's carcinogenic. And now the European Food Safety Authority is doing a review.

    Today no drug is safe if the consumer is using aspartame because of the interaction due to damage to the mitochondria. It's used in hospitals because of the dietitians making patients even sicker.
    The Nutratanic hit the iceberg and Coke & Pepsi are in the lifeboats with new sweeteners in the works. Japan's Ajinomoto and the USA NutraSweet Co are still slapping around in the frigid waters of consumer condemnation. http://www.wnho.net/recipe_for_death.htm

    If I can provide further data I'll gladly do so. There is no way to show safety on aspartame with honest, unbiased studies. Eliminate industry studies to defend its product and you'll see how deadly is this toxin. Dr. Bill Deagle said its more deadly than depleted uranium because its ubiquitous in our food.

    Dr. Betty Martini, D.Hum, Founder
    Mission Possible International (warning the world off aspartame)
    9270 River Club Parkway
    Duluth, Georgia 30097
    770 242-2599
    www.mpwhi.com, www.dorway.com and www.wnho.net
    Aspartame Toxicity Center, www.holisticmed.com/aspartame
    Aspartame Information List, www.mpwhi.com scroll down to banners
  • Lesa_Sass
    Lesa_Sass Posts: 2,213 Member
    I don't worry about it as I do not ingest copious amounts of it or have a sensitivity to it.


    I agree.

    Speaking as a fat girl with a family history of diabetes and cancer, obesity is GUARANTEED to shorten my life.
    Aspartame poisoning, on the other hand, is questionable. Some people say it's bad, others say you have to eat a billion pounds of it (or something like that) to equal the amount the lab rats were given. It causes migraines in some people, but not in everyone. I tend to compare food/diet risks with the risks of obesity since it's so real for me.

    The older I get, the more I do prefer to eat natural things. Agave nectar may be the best for you, or it might just be the latest fad sweetener. We probably won't know for sure for another 50 years (like everything else). If you WANT to enjoy sugarfree gum. just work at it. I've gotten to where I *love* when something is made with Splenda. Regular sugar leaves a weird, tangy aftertaste in my mouth. Unless it's in baked goods (my weakness), that's a different story.

    But anyways, long story short... There's good/bad on everything out there., and everybody is unique. Just go with what your body tells you.

    Special warning for diabetics: Aspartame can precipitate diabetes, simulates and aggravates diabetic retinopathy and neuropathy, destroys the optic nerve, causes diabetics to go into convulsions, and even interacts with insulin. The free methyl alcohol causes diabetics to lose limbs. Jeanette Soto, Mission Possible Brookville, Fla, who wrote "Blinded Sight" when her husband lost his sight from aspartame was unable to get her father-in-law, diabetic off aspartame because of the addiction. The free methyl alcohol is classified as a narcotic. It causes chronic methanol poisoning which affects the dopamine system of the brain and causes the addiction. When Jeanette's father-in-law, Santiago Echiverria died it had to be a closed casket, the formaldehyde from the free methyl alcohol was oozing out of his skin. The American Diabetes Assn was sued in 2004 for racketeering for pushing aspartame on diabetics, but because of their power got out of it.
  • ddky
    ddky Posts: 381 Member
    never killed anyone.. prove me wrong?

    Easily could have killed me. Aspartame was causing me to have seizures. Not falling down in the floor, just "lights out" seizures. It actually happened when I was driving, but thank goodness I was stopped at a light. I am very glad we figured out is was aspartame and I didn't have to spend the rest of my life taking anti-seizure meds and washing them down with a diet drink.
    Are you dead? I love aspartame......never had any issues from it

    Did you not understand that I was saying that if I had the seizure while actually driving instead of sitting at a red light, that I could have easily been killed. I'm not saying it gives everyone seizures, but it did me.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member

    Dr. Betty Martini, D.Hum, Founder
    Mission Possible International (warning the world off aspartame)
    9270 River Club Parkway
    Duluth, Georgia 30097
    770 242-2599
    www.mpwhi.com, www.dorway.com and www.wnho.net
    Aspartame Toxicity Center, www.holisticmed.com/aspartame
    Aspartame Information List, www.mpwhi.com scroll down to banners

    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/are-artificial-sweeteners-safe/ (<--- Betty Martini hoax info)
  • jaygreen55
    jaygreen55 Posts: 315 Member
    My Weight Loss Doctor only wants us to use agrave. He says the others are bad for you.

    Based on what science?? Agave nectar is the richest source of fructose of any sweetener (even more than High fructose corn syrup) and contains 120 calories per tablespoon. If you put one Tbsp in a cup of coffee and have 3-4 cups a day that adds up to a lot of extra calories every day
  • Lesa_Sass
    Lesa_Sass Posts: 2,213 Member
    My Weight Loss Doctor only wants us to use agrave. He says the others are bad for you.

    Based on what science?? Agave nectar is the richest source of fructose of any sweetener (even more than High fructose corn syrup) and contains 120 calories per tablespoon. If you put one Tbsp in a cup of coffee and have 3-4 cups a day that adds up to a lot of extra calories every day

    I, for one, am more worried about putting a chemical into my body than calories. WE NEED calories to live dontcha know? But then again, I drink my coffee black.

    And again, science is offering more and more evidence that it is lethal but people still want to hang onto the studies done and paid for by Monsanto. Gee, wonder why that is?

    There IS scientific evidence that it is bad for us, people just chose to ignore it or call the researcher or dr a quack.

    Of course I live my life like I am supposed to, not eating trash, exercising and eating clean, so I do not have to put diet crap in me. I do not diet, I live healthy.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,024 Member
    I, for one, am more worried about putting a chemical into my body than calories. WE NEED calories to live dontcha know? But then again, I drink my coffee black.

    And again, science is offering more and more evidence that it is lethal but people still want to hang onto the studies done and paid for by Monsanto. Gee, wonder why that is?

    There IS scientific evidence that it is bad for us, people just chose to ignore it or call the researcher or dr a quack.

    Of course I live my life like I am supposed to, not eating trash, exercising and eating clean, so I do not have to put diet crap in me. I do not diet, I live healthy.
    And yet everything thing that you consume has a chemical make up. That's the truth. There is science and pseudoscience. You see lots of pseudoscience out there in the fitness industry. Cleanses, supplements, food timing, breakfast being the best meal of the day, etc.
    Can aspartame be bad? Absolutely if you're drinking a case of it a day. This was proven when mice were given the same equivalent dosage.
    But if you're taking in a mild dosage of it a day, there hasn't been complications noted for those who don't have allergic or adverse reactions to it initially.
    So you do what you think is right for you, however there are many many many people like myself who don't suffer from the scaremongering who have ingested aspartame for a long period of time, with no adverse reactions like those claimed by anti aspartame groups. Works for me and based on my blood work and physicals, doc says it's fine too.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    I, for one, am more worried about putting a chemical into my body than calories. WE NEED calories to live dontcha know? But then again, I drink my coffee black.

    And again, science is offering more and more evidence that it is lethal but people still want to hang onto the studies done and paid for by Monsanto. Gee, wonder why that is?

    There IS scientific evidence that it is bad for us, people just chose to ignore it or call the researcher or dr a quack.

    Of course I live my life like I am supposed to, not eating trash, exercising and eating clean, so I do not have to put diet crap in me. I do not diet, I live healthy.
    And yet everything thing that you consume has a chemical make up. That's the truth. There is science and pseudoscience. You see lots of pseudoscience out there in the fitness industry. Cleanses, supplements, food timing, breakfast being the best meal of the day, etc.
    Can aspartame be bad? Absolutely if you're drinking a case of it a day. This was proven when mice were given the same equivalent dosage.
    But if you're taking in a mild dosage of it a day, there hasn't been complications noted for those who don't have allergic or adverse reactions to it initially.
    So you do what you think is right for you, however there are many many many people like myself who don't suffer from the scaremongering who have ingested aspartame for a long period of time, with no adverse reactions like those claimed by anti aspartame groups. Works for me and based on my blood work and physicals, doc says it's fine too.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    naturally occurring chemicals =/= synthetic man made chemicals that are added to foods to 1) enhance flavor 2) act as a preservative 3) change consistency

    that's my view. if you feel there's no difference than that's your prerogative.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,024 Member
    I, for one, am more worried about putting a chemical into my body than calories. WE NEED calories to live dontcha know? But then again, I drink my coffee black.

    And again, science is offering more and more evidence that it is lethal but people still want to hang onto the studies done and paid for by Monsanto. Gee, wonder why that is?

    There IS scientific evidence that it is bad for us, people just chose to ignore it or call the researcher or dr a quack.

    Of course I live my life like I am supposed to, not eating trash, exercising and eating clean, so I do not have to put diet crap in me. I do not diet, I live healthy.
    And yet everything thing that you consume has a chemical make up. That's the truth. There is science and pseudoscience. You see lots of pseudoscience out there in the fitness industry. Cleanses, supplements, food timing, breakfast being the best meal of the day, etc.
    Can aspartame be bad? Absolutely if you're drinking a case of it a day. This was proven when mice were given the same equivalent dosage.
    But if you're taking in a mild dosage of it a day, there hasn't been complications noted for those who don't have allergic or adverse reactions to it initially.
    So you do what you think is right for you, however there are many many many people like myself who don't suffer from the scaremongering who have ingested aspartame for a long period of time, with no adverse reactions like those claimed by anti aspartame groups. Works for me and based on my blood work and physicals, doc says it's fine too.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    naturally occurring chemicals =/= synthetic man made chemicals that are added to foods to 1) enhance flavor 2) act as a preservative 3) change consistency

    that's my view. if you feel there's no difference than that's your prerogative.
    Stomach doesn't know the difference when it comes to chemical breakdown to simplest form. Whether it's a protein bar or a slab of meat, the protein of both are broken down to amino acids. You don't disagree on this?

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
  • MeeshyBW
    MeeshyBW Posts: 382 Member
    I cannot stand sweeteners. Aspartame is by far the worst tasting of the bunch.

    There is some stevia, fructose or similar in some of my protein shakes which is okay but I do not drink any sodas or have sugar in my tea.

    I usually avoid it because of the taste even though I know it is detrimental to your health this is not my primary reason for not eating it.
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    I, for one, am more worried about putting a chemical into my body than calories. WE NEED calories to live dontcha know? But then again, I drink my coffee black.

    And again, science is offering more and more evidence that it is lethal but people still want to hang onto the studies done and paid for by Monsanto. Gee, wonder why that is?

    There IS scientific evidence that it is bad for us, people just chose to ignore it or call the researcher or dr a quack.

    Of course I live my life like I am supposed to, not eating trash, exercising and eating clean, so I do not have to put diet crap in me. I do not diet, I live healthy.
    And yet everything thing that you consume has a chemical make up. That's the truth. There is science and pseudoscience. You see lots of pseudoscience out there in the fitness industry. Cleanses, supplements, food timing, breakfast being the best meal of the day, etc.
    Can aspartame be bad? Absolutely if you're drinking a case of it a day. This was proven when mice were given the same equivalent dosage.
    But if you're taking in a mild dosage of it a day, there hasn't been complications noted for those who don't have allergic or adverse reactions to it initially.
    So you do what you think is right for you, however there are many many many people like myself who don't suffer from the scaremongering who have ingested aspartame for a long period of time, with no adverse reactions like those claimed by anti aspartame groups. Works for me and based on my blood work and physicals, doc says it's fine too.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    naturally occurring chemicals =/= synthetic man made chemicals that are added to foods to 1) enhance flavor 2) act as a preservative 3) change consistency

    that's my view. if you feel there's no difference than that's your prerogative.
    Stomach doesn't know the difference when it comes to chemical breakdown to simplest form. Whether it's a protein bar or a slab of meat, the protein of both are broken down to amino acids. You don't disagree on this?

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    In a vacuum, you're more or less correct. However, in real life it's a matter of how easy or difficult it is for your stomach to break down. natural foods are easier for the stomach to digest, thus it doesn't have to work as hard, thus your nutritional stress is lowered, thus your body works at a more optimal level and absorbs more nutrtients.

    if it's harder to break down the processed foods (it is), fewer nutrients will be absorbed by the time the food passes through the digestive tract.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    natural foods are easier for the stomach to digest

    if it's harder to break down the processed foods (it is)

    Yeah? Then how come you grind your flax seeds? Why do you grind grains into flour to make bread?

    Processing foods in general actually makes them easier to digest because they're already partially broken down.

    Whey is more digestible than milk. Flour is more digestible than bread. Etc.
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    natural foods are easier for the stomach to digest

    if it's harder to break down the processed foods (it is)

    Yeah? Then how come you grind your flax seeds? Why do you grind grains into flour to make bread?

    Processing foods in general actually makes them easier to digest because they're already partially broken down.

    Whey is more digestible than milk. Flour is more digestible than bread. Etc.

    1) because seeds have a natural defense mechanism called a shell.
    2) I don't eat bread
    3) but a protein bar is less digestible than a piece of chicken. we can do this all day. the things you mentioned are significantly LESS processed than junk foods, fast foods, protein/snack bars, etc

    you don't seem to fathom that there are different amounts of processing that goes into different foods.
  • stephanj
    stephanj Posts: 898 Member
    "I wish I could quit you"

    Try to move to Stevia, but Diet Coke is my mistress.
  • wellbert
    wellbert Posts: 3,924 Member
    The real reason people gain weight isn't because diet soda makes you fat. It's all the weight from the cancer.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    1) because seeds have a natural defense mechanism called a shell.
    2) I don't eat bread
    3) but a protein bar is less digestible than a piece of chicken. we can do this all day. the things you mentioned are significantly LESS processed than junk foods, fast foods, protein/snack bars, etc

    you don't seem to fathom that there are different amounts of processing that goes into different foods.

    1) is why processing can make foods easier to digest.
    2) is a lie.
    3) a protein bar is not processed chicken. Whey is processed from milk, and whey is easier to digest than milk. Bread is processed grain, and is easier to digest than the grain. Carrot and pea paste is easier to digest than whole carrots or peas.
  • aguethler
    aguethler Posts: 26 Member

    Nothing in that article even suggests that aspartame is bad for you.

    Did you read the article? It is about all artificial sweeteners but the following suggests that it IS bad for you:

    1. Overstimulation of sugar receptors from frequent use of these hyper-intense sweeteners may limit tolerance for more complex tastes,” explains Dr. Ludwig. That means people who routinely use artificial sweeteners may start to find less intensely sweet foods, such as fruit, less appealing and unsweet foods, such as vegetables, downright unpalatable.

    In other words, use of artificial sweeteners can make you shun healthy, filling, and highly nutritious foods while consuming more artificially flavored foods with less nutritional value.

    2. Artificial sweeteners may play another trick, too. Research suggests that they may prevent us from associating sweetness with caloric intake. As a result, we may crave more sweets, tend to choose sweet food over nutritious food, and gain weight. Participants in the San Antonio Heart Study who drank more than 21 diet drinks per week were twice as likely to become overweight or obese as people who didn’t drink diet soda.

    3. Animal studies suggest that artificial sweeteners may be addictive. In studies of rats who were exposed to cocaine, then given a choice between intravenous cocaine or oral saccharine, most chose saccharin.

    4. Whether non-nutritive sweeteners are safe depends on your definition of safe. Studies leading to FDA approval have ruled out cancer risk, for the most part. However, those studies were done using far smaller amounts of diet soda than the 24 ounces a day consumed by many people who drink diet soda. We really don’t know what effect large amounts of these chemicals will have over many years.

    5. In the Multiethnic Study of Atherosclerosis, daily consumption of diet drinks was associated with a 36% greater risk for metabolic syndrome and a 67% increased risk for type 2 diabetes. Aren’t these diseases that artificial sweeteners may help prevent in the first place?
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member

    Nothing in that article even suggests that aspartame is bad for you.

    Did you read the article? It is about all artificial sweeteners but the following suggests that it IS bad for you:

    1. Overstimulation of sugar receptors from frequent use of these hyper-intense sweeteners may limit tolerance for more complex tastes,” explains Dr. Ludwig. That means people who routinely use artificial sweeteners may start to find less intensely sweet foods, such as fruit, less appealing and unsweet foods, such as vegetables, downright unpalatable.

    In other words, use of artificial sweeteners can make you shun healthy, filling, and highly nutritious foods while consuming more artificially flavored foods with less nutritional value.

    2. Artificial sweeteners may play another trick, too. Research suggests that they may prevent us from associating sweetness with caloric intake. As a result, we may crave more sweets, tend to choose sweet food over nutritious food, and gain weight. Participants in the San Antonio Heart Study who drank more than 21 diet drinks per week were twice as likely to become overweight or obese as people who didn’t drink diet soda.

    3. Animal studies suggest that artificial sweeteners may be addictive. In studies of rats who were exposed to cocaine, then given a choice between intravenous cocaine or oral saccharine, most chose saccharin.

    4. Whether non-nutritive sweeteners are safe depends on your definition of safe. Studies leading to FDA approval have ruled out cancer risk, for the most part. However, those studies were done using far smaller amounts of diet soda than the 24 ounces a day consumed by many people who drink diet soda. We really don’t know what effect large amounts of these chemicals will have over many years.

    5. In the Multiethnic Study of Atherosclerosis, daily consumption of diet drinks was associated with a 36% greater risk for metabolic syndrome and a 67% increased risk for type 2 diabetes. Aren’t these diseases that artificial sweeteners may help prevent in the first place?

    The claim is basically that these artificial sweeteners are bad because they make you engage in other bad behaviors, like eating more sugary or fatty food or eating more food overall. So it's sort of danger by proxy. It's not that the sweeteners themselves are dangerous.