how do people feel about aspartame?

SideSteel

I have seen nothing to convince me that it's in any way dangerous.

Do you not wonder why there's no conflicting studies yet many many people that feel they have a reaction?

There are plenty of conflicting studies. The ones that show harmful effects are usually done on rodents and typically use doses that are not even remotely proximal to human consumption or they use injected aspartame which isn't realistic because aspartame doesn't enter the bloodstream as aspartame due to the rate at which it breaks down.


Do you always call conspiracy when something challenges your previously held beliefs?

No in fact it doesn't challenge my beliefs. Not did I make it a personal issue. Do you believe everything your government tells you?

No I do not. What makes you believe the government was the one that told me how aspartame metabolizes? Not all studies are a government funded conspiracy.

EDIT: That being said, I could understand if, for example, all of the studies that show aspartame is safe, were funded by Pepsi. Then you'd have something to go off of.

Much in the same way that I'd question a study from an animal rights group that shows an association between meat and all kinds of ill effects or _________ (insert other china study nonsense here).

Iron_Pheonix

I have seen nothing to convince me that it's in any way dangerous.

Do you not wonder why there's no conflicting studies yet many many people that feel they have a reaction?

There are plenty of conflicting studies. The ones that show harmful effects are usually done on rodents and typically use doses that are not even remotely proximal to human consumption or they use injected aspartame which isn't realistic because aspartame doesn't enter the bloodstream as aspartame due to the rate at which it breaks down.


Do you always call conspiracy when something challenges your previously held beliefs?

No in fact it doesn't challenge my beliefs. Not did I make it a personal issue. Do you believe everything your government tells you?

No I do not. What makes you believe the government was the one that told me how aspartame metabolizes? Not all studies are a government funded conspiracy.

EDIT: That being said, I could understand if, for example, all of the studies that show aspartame is safe, were funded by Pepsi. Then you'd have something to go off of.

Much in the same way that I'd question a study from an animal rights group that shows an association between meat and all kinds of ill effects or _________ (insert other china study nonsense here).

Because I've looked into the food politics behind the issue, how it was passed as safe and how studies that could prove otherwise usually have their funding withdrawn etc

As I said before, I am undecided on the issue but just because government funded research says its safe....doesn't convince me it is. In my opinion it has no place in a healthy diet. That of course is only my opinion.

Edit: you d realise that many of the members of the FDA are actually trained by coca cola? And other large food companies? They aren't infependabt. The man that pushed through aspartame actually left shortly afterwards to work for a company that creates it.

P.s I'm glad we agree on the China Study being bs and I do have high regard for you, however I do have valid points too and I'm well versed in nutrition also x

jonnythan

I have seen nothing to convince me that it's in any way dangerous.

Do you not wonder why there's no conflicting studies yet many many people that feel they have a reaction?

Btw I am undecided on this issue, I choose to not include it in my diet because the products that contain them have no nutritional benefit. I am however well versed in food politics and this is why it bothers me.

I chalk it up to the same effect that has people on here raving about green tea pills and raspberry ketones.

SideSteel

I have seen nothing to convince me that it's in any way dangerous.

Do you not wonder why there's no conflicting studies yet many many people that feel they have a reaction?

There are plenty of conflicting studies. The ones that show harmful effects are usually done on rodents and typically use doses that are not even remotely proximal to human consumption or they use injected aspartame which isn't realistic because aspartame doesn't enter the bloodstream as aspartame due to the rate at which it breaks down.


Do you always call conspiracy when something challenges your previously held beliefs?

No in fact it doesn't challenge my beliefs. Not did I make it a personal issue. Do you believe everything your government tells you?

No I do not. What makes you believe the government was the one that told me how aspartame metabolizes? Not all studies are a government funded conspiracy.

EDIT: That being said, I could understand if, for example, all of the studies that show aspartame is safe, were funded by Pepsi. Then you'd have something to go off of.

Much in the same way that I'd question a study from an animal rights group that shows an association between meat and all kinds of ill effects or _________ (insert other china study nonsense here).

Because I've looked into the food politics behind the issue, how it was passed as safe and how studies that could prove otherwise usually have their funding withdrawn etc

As I said before, I am undecided on the issue but just because government funded research says its safe....doesn't convince me it is. In my opinion it has no place in a healthy diet. That of course is only my opinion.

Edit: you d realise that many of the members of the FDA are actually trained by coca cola? And other large food companies? They aren't infependabt. The man that pushed through aspartame actually left shortly afterwards to work for a company that creates it.

What about studies done in non US countries? Also a conspiracy?

Iron_Pheonix

From a politics point of view take a look at this link that also notes studies done on humans showing negative effects of aspartame that were indendantly funded. Also note further down where it states that FDA were caught removing data to reach the desired outcome in this regard. Note that I haven't looked into these studies, I may well do in following days out of pure interest, I'm also not stating it's dangerous but that we should always question what we are told.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/050406goodforyou.htm

jonnythan

From a politics point of view take a look at this link that also notes studies done on humans showing negative effects of aspartame that were indendantly funded. Also note further down where it states that FDA were caught removing data to reach the desired outcome in this regard. Note that I haven't looked into these studies, I may well do in following days out of pure interest, I'm also not stating it's dangerous but that we should always question what we are told.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/050406goodforyou.htm

I skimmed the article and clicked some of the links. None of them are to actual studies. Where are these studies that show problems?

Iron_Pheonix

I have seen nothing to convince me that it's in any way dangerous.

Do you not wonder why there's no conflicting studies yet many many people that feel they have a reaction?

There are plenty of conflicting studies. The ones that show harmful effects are usually done on rodents and typically use doses that are not even remotely proximal to human consumption or they use injected aspartame which isn't realistic because aspartame doesn't enter the bloodstream as aspartame due to the rate at which it breaks down.


Do you always call conspiracy when something challenges your previously held beliefs?

No in fact it doesn't challenge my beliefs. Not did I make it a personal issue. Do you believe everything your government tells you?

No I do not. What makes you believe the government was the one that told me how aspartame metabolizes? Not all studies are a government funded conspiracy.

EDIT: That being said, I could understand if, for example, all of the studies that show aspartame is safe, were funded by Pepsi. Then you'd have something to go off of.

Much in the same way that I'd question a study from an animal rights group that shows an association between meat and all kinds of ill effects or _________ (insert other china study nonsense here).

Because I've looked into the food politics behind the issue, how it was passed as safe and how studies that could prove otherwise usually have their funding withdrawn etc

As I said before, I am undecided on the issue but just because government funded research says its safe....doesn't convince me it is. In my opinion it has no place in a healthy diet. That of course is only my opinion.

Edit: you d realise that many of the members of the FDA are actually trained by coca cola? And other large food companies? They aren't infependabt. The man that pushed through aspartame actually left shortly afterwards to work for a company that creates it.

What about studies done in non US countries? Also a conspiracy?

I'm not educated in the political state of other countries regarding this topic. Unfortunately there's only so much time in the day lol. I'm not arguing with you, just saying maybe you should question it, look a bit deeper. You may come to the same conclusion, you may not.

Iron_Pheonix

From a politics point of view take a look at this link that also notes studies done on humans showing negative effects of aspartame that were indendantly funded. Also note further down where it states that FDA were caught removing data to reach the desired outcome in this regard. Note that I haven't looked into these studies, I may well do in following days out of pure interest, I'm also not stating it's dangerous but that we should always question what we are told.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/050406goodforyou.htm

I skimmed the article and clicked some of the links. None of them are to actual studies. Where are these studies that show problems?

As I noted....I haven't looked into them. You'd have to do the ground work yourself

Edit: he also linked to this http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2005/130405aspartamelink.htm

ddky

never killed anyone.. prove me wrong?

Easily could have killed me. Aspartame was causing me to have seizures. Not falling down in the floor, just "lights out" seizures. It actually happened when I was driving, but thank goodness I was stopped at a light. I am very glad we figured out is was aspartame and I didn't have to spend the rest of my life taking anti-seizure meds and washing them down with a diet drink.

bluemoon551

never killed anyone.. prove me wrong?

Easily could have killed me. Aspartame was causing me to have seizures. Not falling down in the floor, just "lights out" seizures. It actually happened when I was driving, but thank goodness I was stopped at a light. I am very glad we figured out is was aspartame and I didn't have to spend the rest of my life taking anti-seizure meds and washing them down with a diet drink.

That sounds like you have a severe medical problem triggered by aspartame.

I enjoy peanuts myself, but certain people can't get a whiff of them without having a near death experience.

JustJennie1

It's nasty tasting. I stay away from that crap and Splenda yuck.

BunkyBumBum

My experience, take it or leave it.

My mother developed liver cancer at and died at 40 years old. She drank Diet Coke almost exclusively. When she was seeing specialists at the University of Michigan one of the doctors told us that he believed that the diet coke and the amount of it she drank is what caused the liver cancer. He said it was just his opinion and he could be wrong, but he thought that her liver was getting hit with all the junk in diet coke and was never getting anything else (water, anything!) to flush it out, so it just kept going through her liver and her liver was constantly working to filter all that crap out of her blood.

It could have been anything, and I'm not saying that I believe what he said 100%, BUT it made me think enough to realize that I needed to cut back diet soda, and when I did drink it I should also be sure to drink plenty of water.

So, choose to believe whatever you want, do your own research and make up your own minds. But, as a biologist and as someone whose mother died of liver cancer at a young age, I looked into it enough to steer me away from diet soda. Do I drink it? Sometimes. I have it when I'm out and craving something bubbly, but I do not keep it in the house because the temptation to drink it is just too much and it seems stupid to risk it.

ninerbuff

When I need to take vitamins (which is rare) I that ones that come from food sources and not a lab.

So say someone is obese and lacking in vitamins and you suggest they get them from food sources, and those food sources they need them from put them calorie surplus each day. Would that still be your suggestion or would vitamins from a bottle be better? This it NOT an unusual case BTW. Happens in VLCD all the time.

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veggies won't put you at a calorie surplus, and if they do, it's because you ate too much food that was vitamin-deficient.

You're taking into consideration that they are eating just a vegetable diet alone. However, not many like feeling full all the time.
It's not likely, but if they like to eat protein and carbs too, then would it be likely that they opt for vitamins they can take orally? Again, it's not discouraged by dieticians.

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ninerbuff

Doesn't it bother anyone that almost every manufacturer study says aspartame is completely safe, while almost every independent study say it is not?

It's clear American health is going down hill. Is it aspartame? MSG? Propylene glycol?

No one knows for sure, but it's obviously something in our diets now.

Really? Which studies? And really, American health is going downhill for the number one factor.............weight. No medical organization will dispute that weight is the number one risk factor for health.

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3nchantress

It's a poison.

slimmingteacher

i went into holland and barrett (health shop) to buy some and the woman said not to biy it as its a very high cause of cancer! so avoid everyone

slimmingteacher

try truvia which is made from a herb only or stevia

now_or_never13

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/06/aspartame-most-dangerous-substance-added-to-food.aspx

See for yourself.

I may read it if it were from someone other than Mercola... not the most respected person around.

arcticfox04

I get bad headaches from it. I avoid it but seems everything has it in it without me knowing it.

now_or_never13

i went into holland and barrett (health shop) to buy some and the woman said not to biy it as its a very high cause of cancer! so avoid everyone

There has yet to be real proof published of this statement.

Everything has been said to cause cancer.