Eating Pop Tarts and ice cream daily.

Iron_Feline

you're wrong on all those counts. i'm not obsessed with good or bad foods, i simply think your diet shouldn't be 50% cookies, ice cream and pop tarts. call me crazy.

my diet isn't a "diet", i just eat real food. I also go out to eat with my friends and it works just fine!

(also, you like... can't have a different opinion on what constitutes processed... since... something's either processed or it isn't)

I can - that's why it's called an opinion.

and as I stated earlier, I did the maths and the ops cals were 30% from cookies pop tarts and ice cream. Not 50%. You seem to have trouble with quoting the correct figures in threads. Oddly you always have them incorrect to make your point.

Edit: I mean diet as it is supposed to be used.

you talk about logic - you can't have an opinion about a fact. something is either factually processed or it is factually not processed. there is no opinion on the matter. it either comes from a factory or the ground. It comes in a box/package/can or it comes from the produce section.

but something can be "minimally" processed or "heavily" processed - THAT can be opinion.

Ah semantics

and about your maths fail?

CoachReddy

you're wrong on all those counts. i'm not obsessed with good or bad foods, i simply think your diet shouldn't be 50% cookies, ice cream and pop tarts. call me crazy.

my diet isn't a "diet", i just eat real food. I also go out to eat with my friends and it works just fine!

(also, you like... can't have a different opinion on what constitutes processed... since... something's either processed or it isn't)

I can - that's why it's called an opinion.

and as I stated earlier, I did the maths and the ops cals were 30% from cookies pop tarts and ice cream. Not 50%. You seem to have trouble with quoting the correct figures in threads. Oddly you always have them incorrect to make your point.

Edit: I mean diet as it is supposed to be used.

you talk about logic - you can't have an opinion about a fact. something is either factually processed or it is factually not processed. there is no opinion on the matter. it either comes from a factory or the ground. It comes in a box/package/can or it comes from the produce section.

but something can be "minimally" processed or "heavily" processed - THAT can be opinion.

Ah semantics

and about your maths fail?

from his diary today (again, not an attack, just an observation):

After Dinner: 2,235 cal from processed junk foods. take out the butter and it's still over 2,000

Total Cals: 3,992

Pretty sure 2,000 is 50% of 4,000...

CyberEd312

you're wrong on all those counts. i'm not obsessed with good or bad foods, i simply think your diet shouldn't be 50% cookies, ice cream and pop tarts. call me crazy.

my diet isn't a "diet", i just eat real food. I also go out to eat with my friends and it works just fine!

(also, you like... can't have a different opinion on what constitutes processed... since... something's either processed or it isn't)

I can - that's why it's called an opinion.

and as I stated earlier, I did the maths and the ops cals were 30% from cookies pop tarts and ice cream. Not 50%. You seem to have trouble with quoting the correct figures in threads. Oddly you always have them incorrect to make your point.

Edit: I mean diet as it is supposed to be used.

you talk about logic - you can't have an opinion about a fact. something is either factually processed or it is factually not processed. there is no opinion on the matter. it either comes from a factory or the ground. It comes in a box/package/can or it comes from the produce section.

but something can be "minimally" processed or "heavily" processed - THAT can be opinion.

Ah semantics

and about your maths fail?

from his diary today (again, not an attack, just an observation):

After Dinner: 2,235 cal from processed junk foods. take out the butter and it's still over 2,000

Total Cals: 3,992

Pretty sure 2,000 is 50% of 4,000...

Your bases is on one day of food consumption......... Yeah that makes alot of sense...... The man pretty much eats no different than I do... I am not an ice cream person but do like chocolate pudding and whip cream.... We both have our processed food or whatever you want to refer to them as but at the same time put away our fair share or chicken and fish and fresh produce,etc..... and I might add........ Can I ask what difference does it make to you what he eats??? The man has lost 158 lbs. regardless to what you think he should be eating. and please don't come back with well he works out and has a 4000 calorie a day allowance yada yada.... I don't care if he works out 10 hours a day and has a 10,000 calorie a day allowance or he doesn't work out and eats 2800 a day. The point here is some of us absolutely could care less about sustaining a diet of perfection and not add in a few things you may feel are on your not to eat list... The bigger picture here for those that want to know is if you eat in moderation and in a calorie deficit then you can eat what you want and Still Lose Weight.

Iron_Feline

you're wrong on all those counts. i'm not obsessed with good or bad foods, i simply think your diet shouldn't be 50% cookies, ice cream and pop tarts. call me crazy.

my diet isn't a "diet", i just eat real food. I also go out to eat with my friends and it works just fine!

(also, you like... can't have a different opinion on what constitutes processed... since... something's either processed or it isn't)

I can - that's why it's called an opinion.

and as I stated earlier, I did the maths and the ops cals were 30% from cookies pop tarts and ice cream. Not 50%. You seem to have trouble with quoting the correct figures in threads. Oddly you always have them incorrect to make your point.

Edit: I mean diet as it is supposed to be used.

you talk about logic - you can't have an opinion about a fact. something is either factually processed or it is factually not processed. there is no opinion on the matter. it either comes from a factory or the ground. It comes in a box/package/can or it comes from the produce section.

but something can be "minimally" processed or "heavily" processed - THAT can be opinion.

Ah semantics

and about your maths fail?

from his diary today (again, not an attack, just an observation):

After Dinner: 2,235 cal from processed junk foods. take out the butter and it's still over 2,000

Total Cals: 3,992

Pretty sure 2,000 is 50% of 4,000...

cookies, ice cream, pop tarts and chips 1490. about 35%. Are you adding other items because you said

i simply think your diet shouldn't be 50% cookies, ice cream and pop tarts.

My original figures were from yesterday as that was all that was up when I looked. Moving the goal posts again to suit your accusations?

Iron_Feline

Back on track

CoachReddy

you're wrong on all those counts. i'm not obsessed with good or bad foods, i simply think your diet shouldn't be 50% cookies, ice cream and pop tarts. call me crazy.

my diet isn't a "diet", i just eat real food. I also go out to eat with my friends and it works just fine!

(also, you like... can't have a different opinion on what constitutes processed... since... something's either processed or it isn't)

I can - that's why it's called an opinion.

and as I stated earlier, I did the maths and the ops cals were 30% from cookies pop tarts and ice cream. Not 50%. You seem to have trouble with quoting the correct figures in threads. Oddly you always have them incorrect to make your point.

Edit: I mean diet as it is supposed to be used.

you talk about logic - you can't have an opinion about a fact. something is either factually processed or it is factually not processed. there is no opinion on the matter. it either comes from a factory or the ground. It comes in a box/package/can or it comes from the produce section.

but something can be "minimally" processed or "heavily" processed - THAT can be opinion.

Ah semantics

and about your maths fail?

from his diary today (again, not an attack, just an observation):

After Dinner: 2,235 cal from processed junk foods. take out the butter and it's still over 2,000

Total Cals: 3,992

Pretty sure 2,000 is 50% of 4,000...

cookies, ice cream, pop tarts and chips 1490. about 35%. Are you adding other items because you said

i simply think your diet shouldn't be 50% cookies, ice cream and pop tarts.

My original figures were from yesterday as that was all that was up when I looked. Moving the goal posts again to suit your accusations?

magerum

Greek Yogurt, corn bread (home made by myself thank you), Cherrios, Fiber One,milk, cottage cheese. Must count as junk because they didn't come directly from the earth.

CyberEd312

Back on track

Food Porn!!!!! :drinker:

CoachReddy

Greek Yogurt, corn bread (home made by myself thank you), Cherrios, Fiber One,milk, cottage cheese. Must count as junk because they didn't come directly from the earth.

they're all heavily processed and fortified, exactly in the ways pop tarts, cookies and ice cream are.

but whatever. y'all think you're right and I think i'm right. I'm done.

magerum

Plus I've only had my protein shake today, it's not even lunch time. My 4th meal could change. I'd go by yesterdays diary, that I DID eat. Today I haven't eaten it yet.

fresh_start59

I probably don't belong here because I don't like Pop Tarts. My kids used to eat them. I'd take a bite and think, blah, bland, not enough sweet.

I think I'll stick to my daily cookies and chocolate ... yes, I'm serious. My diary is open.

I can't bring a half gallon of ice-cream into my home. It is my one weakness. But I do allow myself a single serving now and then. Maybe I'll get one of those single-serve containers and put it between two Kashi cookies. Mmm....

Iron_Feline

but whatever. y'all think you're right and I think i'm right. I'm done.

:flowerforyou:

magerum

Back on track

lacurandera1

SO basically, if you don't pull it out of the ground or gnaw it straight off the bone, it's highly processed?

BUT- IHOP Chicken and Waffles are cool. :noway:

majope

Greek Yogurt, corn bread (home made by myself thank you), Cherrios, Fiber One,milk, cottage cheese. Must count as junk because they didn't come directly from the earth.

they're all heavily processed and fortified, exactly in the ways pop tarts, cookies and ice cream are.

but whatever. y'all think you're right and I think i'm right. I'm done.

Coach Reddy, I'm confused. IHOP Chicken & Waffles--do they not count as processed? Do the waffles contain only unfortified flour? Adding up the processed food in your diary yesterday, I get at least 50%.

Just an observation.

ArroganceInStep

you talk about logic - you can't have an opinion about a fact. something is either factually processed or it is factually not processed. there is no opinion on the matter. it either comes from a factory or the ground. It comes in a box/package/can or it comes from the produce section.

but something can be "minimally" processed or "heavily" processed - THAT can be opinion.

processed past participle verb
Perform a series of mechanical or chemical operations on (something) in order to change or preserve it: "the stages in processing the wool".
Walk or march in procession: "they processed down the aisle".

Most food we eat is processed, whether it's in the produce section or not. That doesn't inherently make it bad for us. How much do you weigh?

CoachReddy

Greek Yogurt, corn bread (home made by myself thank you), Cherrios, Fiber One,milk, cottage cheese. Must count as junk because they didn't come directly from the earth.

they're all heavily processed and fortified, exactly in the ways pop tarts, cookies and ice cream are.

but whatever. y'all think you're right and I think i'm right. I'm done.

Coach Reddy, I'm confused. IHOP Chicken & Waffles--do they not count as processed? Do the waffles contain only unfortified flour? Adding up the processed food in your diary yesterday, I get at least 50%.

Just an observation.

1) not actually from ihop
2) yesterday was cheat day because my girlfriend wanted to go to this place we saw on tv, so we did.

CoachReddy

and my processed foods have

1) as few ingredients as possible
2) are not empty calories
3) are nutritionally dense

but I know, you guys really love things black and white. the problem is that this whole time I've been talking about nutritionally deficient, and heavily processed foods.

we all eat processed foods, but it's your choice HOW HEAVILY processed they are.

(damnit I really wanted to be done)

CyberEd312

and my processed foods have

1) as few ingredients as possible
2) are not empty calories
3) are nutritionally dense

but I know, you guys really love things black and white. the problem is that this whole time I've been talking about nutritionally deficient, and heavily processed foods.

we all eat processed foods, but it's your choice HOW HEAVILY processed they are.

(damnit I really wanted to be done)

Its ok we knew you couldn't stay away...... :drinker:

CoachReddy

and my processed foods have

1) as few ingredients as possible
2) are not empty calories
3) are nutritionally dense

but I know, you guys really love things black and white. the problem is that this whole time I've been talking about nutritionally deficient, and heavily processed foods.

we all eat processed foods, but it's your choice HOW HEAVILY processed they are.

(damnit I really wanted to be done)

Its ok we knew you couldn't stay away...... :drinker:

i just love you guys too much.

Iron_Feline

and my processed foods have

1) as few ingredients as possible
2) are not empty calories
3) are nutritionally dense

but I know, you guys really love things black and white. the problem is that this whole time I've been talking about nutritionally deficient, and heavily processed foods.

we all eat processed foods, but it's your choice HOW HEAVILY processed they are.

(damnit I really wanted to be done)

Cottage cheese and greek yoghurt are not heavily processed. I make them at home.

And I thought you'd left. I changed my pic and everything. :laugh:

chocl8girl

ArroganceInStep

Because I think it's important:

http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getfile?dDocName=STELDEV3004446&acct=nopgeninfo

Ice cream isn't nutritionally void. Bloomberg said so.

LolBroScience

also this:

Empty calories, in casual dietary terminology, are a measure of the digestible energy present in high-energy foods with little nutritional value, typically processed carbohydrates and ethanol (alcohol), and to some extent fats. Also known as a discretionary calorie, an "empty calorie" has the same energy content as any other calorie but lacks many accompanying nutrients such as vitamins, dietary minerals, antioxidants, amino acids, or dietary fiber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_calorie

Did you just cite Wikipedia as an information source? Even processed foods today are fortified with micronutrients (i.e Poptarts)

please continue reading. fortified nutrients are not as bioavailable as real nutrients and have been banned in a number of European countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_fortification

You run into the same sort of issues with food in general... not all the nutrients are bioavailable in a cooked piece of chicken as well. Obviously if your diet consist SOLELY of poptarts there will be issues. Eating whole foods that are nutrient dense, and then a poptart to fill in remaining calories is not a problem? Also, after you cited Wikipedia as an information source, you then cited it again as a rebuttal to its legitimacy? I dont even....

CoachReddy

and my processed foods have

1) as few ingredients as possible
2) are not empty calories
3) are nutritionally dense

but I know, you guys really love things black and white. the problem is that this whole time I've been talking about nutritionally deficient, and heavily processed foods.

we all eat processed foods, but it's your choice HOW HEAVILY processed they are.

(damnit I really wanted to be done)

Cottage cheese and greek yoghurt are not heavily processed. I make them at home.

And I thought you'd left. I changed my pic and everything. :laugh:

I know... :laugh: then a couple people called me out on my diary - which is pretty damn beautiful if I say so myself - simply because, for the first time in a few weeks, I had something crappy for me.

thought y'all were all about moderation!

(sorry about the pre-emptive picture change...)

CoachReddy

also this:

Empty calories, in casual dietary terminology, are a measure of the digestible energy present in high-energy foods with little nutritional value, typically processed carbohydrates and ethanol (alcohol), and to some extent fats. Also known as a discretionary calorie, an "empty calorie" has the same energy content as any other calorie but lacks many accompanying nutrients such as vitamins, dietary minerals, antioxidants, amino acids, or dietary fiber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_calorie

Did you just cite Wikipedia as an information source? Even processed foods today are fortified with micronutrients (i.e Poptarts)

please continue reading. fortified nutrients are not as bioavailable as real nutrients and have been banned in a number of European countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_fortification

You run into the same sort of issues with food in general... not all the nutrients are bioavailable in a cooked piece of chicken as well. Obviously if your diet consist SOLELY of poptarts there will be issues. Eating whole foods that are nutrient dense, and then a poptart to fill in remaining calories is not a problem? Also, after you cited Wikipedia as an information source, you then cited it again as a rebuttal to its legitimacy? I dont even....

nope, that's not a problem, as I have said multiple times throughout this thread. (people just only pay attention to the parts they want to flame)

Lupercalia

ROLLING :drinker:

CyberEd312

Come on!! 6 more pages and we can roll this thread again!!!!!



All Hail the Pop Tart!!!:drinker:

mmapags

also this:

Empty calories, in casual dietary terminology, are a measure of the digestible energy present in high-energy foods with little nutritional value, typically processed carbohydrates and ethanol (alcohol), and to some extent fats. Also known as a discretionary calorie, an "empty calorie" has the same energy content as any other calorie but lacks many accompanying nutrients such as vitamins, dietary minerals, antioxidants, amino acids, or dietary fiber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_calorie

Did you just cite Wikipedia as an information source? Even processed foods today are fortified with micronutrients (i.e Poptarts)

please continue reading. fortified nutrients are not as bioavailable as real nutrients and have been banned in a number of European countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_fortification

You run into the same sort of issues with food in general... not all the nutrients are bioavailable in a cooked piece of chicken as well. Obviously if your diet consist SOLELY of poptarts there will be issues. Eating whole foods that are nutrient dense, and then a poptart to fill in remaining calories is not a problem? Also, after you cited Wikipedia as an information source, you then cited it again as a rebuttal to its legitimacy? I dont even....

nope, that's not a problem, as I have said multiple times throughout this thread. (people just only pay attention to the parts they want to flame)

Have you noticed a trend. In the majority of the threads you post in, it is you arguing with just about everyone else. Then you accuse people of having "sides". Do you see anyone else here agreeing with you. I saw someone post something appropriate the other day that you may want to think about. It went something like this; if you run into someone that in a problem during a day, they were a problem. If all you run into are people you think have problems, you are the problem.

magerum

Bought these Saturday. I'm mobile right now. I'll have to resize later.