Convince me Pop Tarts & ice cream are bad.

CoachReddy

I will not. You got it right bro! hahaha I too enjoy these things and have done so while losing nearly as much weight as yourself...unfortunately without exercise they caught back up to me, so I gotta work my way back down! lol

i think this is my point in a nutshell. if you eat primarily whole foods, what you experienced is much, MUCH less likely to happen. eating the types of foods I eat and in the quantities I eat them, even if I stop exercising I won't gain weight, or not significantly.

Graelwyn75

It is your body.
Personally, I would never eat that much meat and dairy because of reading a lot of material suggesting that both contribute to health issues and also affect longevity. Sure, someone weight training can get away with that many calories, but I am of the ilk that eating a lot of anything, can cause issues. Reading a book called 'the blue zones', I could not help but notice that in the areas of the world with the highest %s of centenarians, there is low intake of animal produce and a high intake of vegetables, beans, tofu and such things. So that has coloured my perspective to a degree. A athlete posted an article about this actually, about whether one has to make a choice between being in peak athletic form, versus longevity, due to the dietary needs of those aspiring to be in peak form.


http://maxwettsteinfitness.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/longevity-athletic-performance-is.html

But as initially stated, to each their own. In the end, we will all die of something, regardless of what we eat, and it may well end up being totally non diet related, lol. That said, I find pop tarts too sweet, prefer cream cakes, chocolate fudge cake, in fact, any cake, if I am to have a treat. I also love ice cream but avoid it where I can now.

SRH7

Only babies derive happiness from what they put in their mouths. Hedonism is always a mistake. Therein does not true joy lie.

I'm 43 years old, not a baby, and derive happiness from eating. Every day. So that statement is easily falsified by observed reality.

Enjoying eating is not "hedonism." There is an entire spectrum, much of which is healthy moderation. You are presenting a false dichotomy that the only options are hedonism or misery.

I suppose sex for pleasure is also "a mistake."

Not within healthy bounds. It is a part of a healthy and fulfilling marital relationship. But unbounded sexuality has produced a great deal of human tragedy. However, that is to derail the subject at hand--sorry OP.

I think you and I probably have a different definition of happiness. I could NEVER imagine seeking it in food.

Wow - came here looking for discussion on Pop Tarts and got a lecture in morality. Well I never!!! :noway:

j4nash

I used to eat like this in college working out 4 hours a day.

That said, I hope you keep exercising because if you stop it's going to catch up with you quick!

LiftAllThePizzas

Only babies derive happiness from what they put in their mouths. Hedonism is always a mistake. Therein does not true joy lie.

I'm 43 years old, not a baby, and derive happiness from eating. Every day. So that statement is easily falsified by observed reality.

Enjoying eating is not "hedonism." There is an entire spectrum, much of which is healthy moderation. You are presenting a false dichotomy that the only options are hedonism or misery.

I suppose sex for pleasure is also "a mistake."

Not within healthy bounds. It is a part of a healthy and fulfilling marital relationship. But unbounded sexuality has produced a great deal of human tragedy. However, that is to derail the subject at hand--sorry OP.

I think you and I probably have a different definition of happiness. I could NEVER imagine seeking it in food.

You understand the concept. Apply it to food. Many people do. Food is not the meaning of life or the only component of a good life. It is one of many parts of a happy, rich, and fulfilling life. The points of this thread are that, 1- all other things being equal, life is better with good foods than it is without them, and B- including them is not mutually exclusive to healthy eating.

IOW getting one's required micronutrients and eating "junk" food like ice cream and pop tarts can actually occur simultaneously. It is not a matter of choosing between "eating healthy" or "eating for pleasure."

iulia_maddie

Not within healthy bounds. It is a part of a healthy and fulfilling marital relationship. But unbounded sexuality has produced a great deal of human tragedy. However, that is to derail the subject at hand--sorry OP.

I think you and I probably have a different definition of happiness. I could NEVER imagine seeking it in food.

I actually strongly believe that if some people had sex more often, and wouldn't worry about boundaries (who set these boundaries anyways?) a great deal of human tragedy would be avoided.

SSarahh23

This too requires a proper keyboard, not an iPhone. I'll respond, not dodging this in the least.

I would also be interested if you could give a bit of a background as to what your diet was like before you lost weight, if you don't mind? It really is amazing (and makes me jealous!) that you're able to consume so many calories and not gain weight.

CoachReddy

This too requires a proper keyboard, not an iPhone. I'll respond, not dodging this in the least.

I would also be interested if you could give a bit of a background as to what your diet was like before you lost weight, if you don't mind? It really is amazing (and makes me jealous!) that you're able to consume so many calories and not gain weight.

for a big guy doing a lot of training and building muscle, it's actually not an insane amount of food - it's pretty standard. but the pre-bulking stuff is really interesting to me too.

215jenn

Commenting because I want to see this thread's continuation. OP has a take on a diet that I think makes sense. Will I a 5' 2" woman ever be able to eat anywhere near his totals? NO. But that's because my exercise level wouldn't support that. His concept of 20-25% of your intake being foods for satiating craving rather than meeting macro needs makes sense. It seems perfectly sustainable to me.

That's not 2 packs of Pop-Tarts and a buncha ice cream for me (though that would be nice ), it's 4 starburst and a good dark beer one day. Another it's a serving of chocolove chocolate and a homemade iced coffee. His concept isn't EAT ALL THE POPTARTS. It's eat what you want (in relationship your limit) so that you don't go off the deep end.

Seems like a discretionary budget to me, the money you buy that hat that you really don't need with, that awesome new pair of kicks... whatever gets you jonsing without filing for bankruptcy.

TakinSexyBack

Pop tarts alone are fine.

Ice cream alone is fine.

Combined they are trouble.

This story took place ages ago when I was in college visiting home. It was a nice Saturday morning and the family was having a nice normal breakfast. Me being stuck in the college mentality decided to have ice cream and pop tarts. My mother had an off hand comment about it but she didn't object, she just recommended that I at least heat the Pop Tarts and not eat them cold like a stoned hippy. So I started enjoying my ice cream bowl while I waited for the Tarts. Down the stairs came running trouble in the shape of my younger brother. My mother motioned him to his plate filled with eggs, beef hash and French toast, but it was too late cause like a hawk locked onto his prey so were my brother's eyes on my ice cream bowl.

A faded smile gave him and his intentions away, granted he was slick to say he needed ketchup from the fridge to justify walking towards my end of the table. But I knew that he hates ketchup!

The confirming act of the incoming attack was him grabbing my sister's spoon. And it began with a direct attack towards the center of my bowl of ice cream but I was ready fready! I slapped it away as a second and third attempt were made but none were fruitful into getting him a taste of my ice cream. At this point it's a full on wrestling match over the ice cream, but my brother wouldn't give up even as I DeSpooned him and he had no way of getting the delicious ice cream. So, like every desperate man he wanted a taste for all the effort he put in, and like a savage he reached with his fingers into the bowl.

I called on to the U.N or mother to deal with such savage unconventional attack, a quick "leave the hippy alone" directed at my brother stopped the ice cream bowl attacks. But like any soar loser he was not happy with the outcome, fate seemed to change cause at that very moment he contemplating what to do, if to accept defeat or retaliate somehow, the Pop Tarts popped out.

To him that was a for sure win as he was closer to the toaster and I had no way of stopping him before he would take a bite or two. So I immediately resorted to a combination of diplomacy, empty threats of violence, and even asking the UN for help. None of it mattered cause he had the determination in his eyes, so all I could do is watch as my Pop Tarts fell into enemy hands.

With his ice cream covered hand he reached for the Pop Tarts. What happened next is what convinced me Pop Tarts & ice cream are a bad combo. My brother screeched as he went flying from the counter and landing next to me. I was very confused as what had happened but I figured out as I saw the black burn marks on his fingers from the electric shock.

I don't know if this convinces you or anyone else about Pop Tarts & ice cream being bad, but my brother still doesn't eat pop tarts today.

Such a great story!! Bro learned his lesson! Glad he was ok......but I am proud you are my friend! :-D

PikaKnight

Just popping in to ogle and giggle at where the analogy of poptarts = unbounded sexuality.

Continue on.

Will have to catch up on all the pages later in this thread. Seems like an interesting convo

ETA: For the record, I don't see anything wrong with either

TakinSexyBack

Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?

For those who want to pick fights: Mag is nothing but considerate of other people and what they are going through. He's been there and is a great role model to his friends on here. There IS a point here and if you think it's too much, why are you keeping up with the threads? The only fight here is to prove to people who do not understand that you can still LOSE and maintain while not giving up all the things you love. It's simple. He even proves that by posting his stats on BP, cholesterol, etc. Can't really argue with that! He's trying to HELP people see they can still eat some of what they love and get where they want to go. I think that people who are jealous that he can eat so much and not gain need to friend him and watch what he does and learn from it. There is a lot to learn from him and his routines. He eats a lot, yes, but he also works HARD at what he is doing EVERY day. There is an obvious method to everything he does and a reason. No need for jealousy, that is just ridiculous (and childish). Work as hard as he has worked to lose 158 lbs and then whine about what he does to maintain. He has it down to a science to live and eat like he wants to, works hard to achieve it and he deserves every bite of pop tart and ice cream he takes. I personally think he should go for the red velvet cake and find some white chocolate ice cream to slap in between those bad boys! YUM!

CoachReddy

Commenting because I want to see this thread's continuation. OP has a take on a diet that I think makes sense. Will I a 5' 2" woman ever be able to eat anywhere near his totals? NO. But that's because my exercise level wouldn't support that. His concept of 20-25% of your intake being foods for satiating craving rather than meeting macro needs makes sense. It seems perfectly sustainable to me.

That's not 2 packs of Pop-Tarts and a buncha ice cream for me (though that would be nice ), it's 4 starburst and a good dark beer one day. Another it's a serving of chocolove chocolate and a homemade iced coffee. His concept isn't EAT ALL THE POPTARTS. It's eat what you want (in relationship your limit) so that you don't go off the deep end.

Seems like a discretionary budget to me, the money you buy that hat that you really don't need with, that awesome new pair of kicks... whatever gets you jonsing without filing for bankruptcy.

that all makes sense until you look at his actual diary that includes 2,200 calories today of pop tarts, ice cream, waffles and cornbread from a mix totalling 177 grams of sugar and 57% of his daily caloric intake.

that's the only point i've ever been trying to make. I agree that you should eat a certain percentage of foods you love every day if that's what you want to do. 20%... whatever, go for it. But 57%? Is there anyone in here who would offer to try magerum's diet and turn over 50% of your calories into pop tarts, ice cream and waffles?

Is he a nice guy? Yeah actually I think so! Is he supportive of other peoples' journeys? Absolutely! But I personally don't think it's fair to the people on these boards who are working incredibly hard to fine tune their diets and lose weight eating healthy foods for you to go around posting thread after thread about pop tarts and ice cream, knowing FULL WELL that most people can't do what you do and succeed.

If what you actually talked about (and practiced) was eating "junk" foods as 20% of your diet, I wouldn't fight you, but it's the hypocrisy and the food porn that's just plain ridiculous and insulting to people who don't have it quite so easy as you do and have to WORK INCREDIBLY HARD to lose weight.

sorry for the rant... hope I didn't offend.

215jenn

Commenting because I want to see this thread's continuation. OP has a take on a diet that I think makes sense. Will I a 5' 2" woman ever be able to eat anywhere near his totals? NO. But that's because my exercise level wouldn't support that. His concept of 20-25% of your intake being foods for satiating craving rather than meeting macro needs makes sense. It seems perfectly sustainable to me.

That's not 2 packs of Pop-Tarts and a buncha ice cream for me (though that would be nice ), it's 4 starburst and a good dark beer one day. Another it's a serving of chocolove chocolate and a homemade iced coffee. His concept isn't EAT ALL THE POPTARTS. It's eat what you want (in relationship your limit) so that you don't go off the deep end.

Seems like a discretionary budget to me, the money you buy that hat that you really don't need with, that awesome new pair of kicks... whatever gets you jonsing without filing for bankruptcy.

that all makes sense until you look at his actual diary that includes 2,200 calories today of pop tarts, ice cream, waffles and cornbread from a mix totalling 177 grams of sugar and 57% of his daily caloric intake.

that's the only point i've ever been trying to make. I agree that you should eat a certain percentage of foods you love every day if that's what you want to do. 20%... whatever, go for it. But 57%? Is there anyone in here who would offer to try magerum's diet and turn over 50% of your calories into pop tarts, ice cream and waffles?

Is he a nice guy? Yeah actually I think so! Is he supportive of other peoples' journeys? Absolutely! But I personally don't think it's fair to the people on these boards who are working incredibly hard to fine tune their diets and lose weight eating healthy foods for you to go around posting thread after thread about pop tarts and ice cream, knowing FULL WELL that most people can't do what you do and succeed.

If what you actually talked about (and practiced) was eating "junk" foods as 20% of your diet, I wouldn't fight you, but it's the hypocrisy and the food porn that's just plain ridiculous and insulting to people who don't have it quite so easy as you do and have to WORK INCREDIBLY HARD to lose weight.

sorry for the rant... hope I didn't offend.

You didn't offend me (and I'm who you quoted here). The threads here seem to be a really strange mix of supportive and asinine to me. I noticed the pop tarts and ice cream thing going on before I had any idea who the man behind the threads was/what he burned and what he ate. I saw the pop tart and the ice cream and went... Huh. Interesting. I thought it was interesting because I had never thought of it. Was I tempted to try it? No. Because I knew it doesn't fit in my goals right now. I eat sweets within my calorie goals because they're yummy! When I'm places where I don't control the content of my food as well right now, I back those off a bit. I think that the whole weight loss thing is less what you see on the boards and more personal responsibility. Food porn is everywhere, the grocery store, the TV, the scent of fried potatoes while you drive down the road. It's up to use to eat, drink and enjoy responsibly.

Would I turn 57% of my calories over to pop tarts and waffles? Nope. But, that's because my range is much lower than his. I wouldn't eat enough other stuff to keep me satiated if I did that. He clearly seems to.
I peeked at your food diary CoachReddy and saw that you're at just under 3000, do you feel full at the end of what you eat everyday? If you had to eat 1000 more to maintain your body at the weight that you wanted what would you fill it with? It's just something to think about.

It seems like, and Mag can correct me if he likes, I am adjusting my calories down to meet my goals (by limiting my sweet to a lower percentage), and he is adjusting his up to meet his goals.

leighann881

I will not. You got it right bro! hahaha I too enjoy these things and have done so while losing nearly as much weight as yourself...unfortunately without exercise they caught back up to me, so I gotta work my way back down! lol

i think this is my point in a nutshell. if you eat primarily whole foods, what you experienced is much, MUCH less likely to happen. eating the types of foods I eat and in the quantities I eat them, even if I stop exercising I won't gain weight, or not significantly.

:drinker:

Confuzzled4ever

Pop tarts are bad because they taste horrible.

Ice cream I have no beef with.

haha this!!!


ETA: ice cream that has no additives. cream, milk sugar. thank you!

leighann881

Commenting because I want to see this thread's continuation. OP has a take on a diet that I think makes sense. Will I a 5' 2" woman ever be able to eat anywhere near his totals? NO. But that's because my exercise level wouldn't support that. His concept of 20-25% of your intake being foods for satiating craving rather than meeting macro needs makes sense. It seems perfectly sustainable to me.

That's not 2 packs of Pop-Tarts and a buncha ice cream for me (though that would be nice ), it's 4 starburst and a good dark beer one day. Another it's a serving of chocolove chocolate and a homemade iced coffee. His concept isn't EAT ALL THE POPTARTS. It's eat what you want (in relationship your limit) so that you don't go off the deep end.

Seems like a discretionary budget to me, the money you buy that hat that you really don't need with, that awesome new pair of kicks... whatever gets you jonsing without filing for bankruptcy.

that all makes sense until you look at his actual diary that includes 2,200 calories today of pop tarts, ice cream, waffles and cornbread from a mix totalling 177 grams of sugar and 57% of his daily caloric intake.
...

If what you actually talked about (and practiced) was eating "junk" foods as 20% of your diet, I wouldn't fight you, but it's the hypocrisy and the food porn that's just plain ridiculous and insulting to people who don't have it quite so easy as you do and have to WORK INCREDIBLY HARD to lose weight.

this^

Four starburst and a beer isn't 650 calories, which is the amount of processed crap that you would have to consume to compare to his diet. You'd feel like crap and you wouldn't be successful... it's not a small indulgence (shhhhh I have a bowl a jelly bellys on my desk that I pop in my mouth when I'm stressed and want a cigarette (i quit smoking but the urge is always there)) I'll take the extra 50-75 wasted sugar calories in comparison because its a small indulgence and serves a purpose. It's not consistent and not overwhelming. Thus it is predominantly negligible.

fuzzymop55

My diary is open and I'm fairly consistent. Today is a good example of my typical day. The last few weeks I have been a bit more liberal with my diet as I'm coming up to a goal change at the end of the month. Go beyond that and you'll see major consistency (to the point of OCD almost). I advocate allowing yourself 20-25% of your daily caloric intake to consist of anything you want if you're able to hit your macro/micro nutrient needs & goals. For me, based on my intake goals, that's 800 -1000 calories, which I primarily have been allocating to sugar.

I would love to see how my surgary food is nutrient deficient as well, as I'm quite often told. Please show me in detail. Set me right. I log everything and their nutritional values are easily found online. For instance there's 14 g of sugar in one 200 cal Pop Tart. That leaves 144 calories of "other stuff". Is this other stuff air or is it fats/carbs/protein (even 10% of the RDA of 7 micro-nutrients) that are required nutrients?

TLDR: THIS GUY IS CLEARLY MAKING ICE CREAM SANDWICHES... He obviously has the secret of living for-ev-er

upgetupgetup

TLDR: THIS GUY IS CLEARLY MAKING ICE CREAM SANDWICHES... He obviously has the secret of living for-ev-er

HA! Good work, detective!

Pop-tarts are naaaaaaaasty (p<.01)

getyourbeans

Only babies derive happiness from what they put in their mouths. Hedonism is always a mistake. Therein does not true joy lie.

I'm 43 years old, not a baby, and derive happiness from eating. Every day. So that statement is easily falsified by observed reality.

Enjoying eating is not "hedonism." There is an entire spectrum, much of which is healthy moderation. You are presenting a false dichotomy that the only options are hedonism or misery.

I suppose sex for pleasure is also "a mistake."

Not within healthy bounds. It is a part of a healthy and fulfilling marital relationship. But unbounded sexuality has produced a great deal of human tragedy. However, that is to derail the subject at hand--sorry OP.

I think you and I probably have a different definition of happiness. I could NEVER imagine seeking it in food.

^^ I don't mean to be rude, but with 100lbs to lose (great job on making it more than half way, btw! ) I'd wager that at one stage you must have indeed sought "something" from food beyond general sustenance.

In any event, each to their own, I personally know that the prospect of a lifetime without treats simply isn't sustainable - FOR ME - and after years of yo-yo dieting (the last few being focused on a 'paleo' approach) I've come to realise that long term success means learning to incorporate in reasonable portions the less-than-stellar choices to maintain a sense of enjoyment around food :-)

And I have no shame in deriving pleasure from eating.

I had no prior knowledge/awareness of OP and the pop tart debate, but I've enjoyed the thread, particularly the holier-than-thou responses over the last few pages :-D