Convince me Pop Tarts & ice cream are bad.
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Pop tarts are bad because they taste horrible.
Ice cream I have no beef with.
I don't like beef with my ice cream either.
I don't eat beef.0 -
Pop tarts are bad because they taste horrible.
Ice cream I have no beef with.
I don't like beef with my ice cream either.
I don't eat beef.
I don't eat bananas.0 -
Looking at your 4000 (which is very high if your not training for a marathon) a day caloric intake yes, there is room for pop tarts.. In the overall picture you are setting poor example for your toddler. What you may be doing is setting yourself up for diabetes in about 10 years.. Indulging in high glycemic index foods make you insulin dependent ...
good lord - do people really think this, yes magerum who i pretty much see a 1K+ cal burn a day is going to have diabetes in 10 years - *facepalm* x 10000 -
Pop tarts are a "bad" food for me because my body doesn't respond well to sugar. When I was a kid, I was able to eat sugary foods with no noticeable ill effects, but now, if I eat a donut or a piece of cake, it often makes me feel slightly sick. I have relatives with diabetes, so I know I am probably at risk. All my medical tests have been healthy so far, but I know eating high amounts of sugar would be risky for me. It's really not a temptation for me, though, because it makes me feel terrible.
Here is a link to a NY Times article about sugar that you may find interesting:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
As far as making room in your diet for foods you love, I totally agree, but for me, those foods are more along the lines of pizza and cheeseburgers. Also, I feel like if I'm going to eat "bad" foods, I prefer to eat the higher quality versions. I would eat a burger from a nice restaurant made with high quality meat and fresh ingredients as opposed to McDonald's. If I were you, I would buy a fresh-baked cupcake from whole foods over a processed, preservative-laden pop tart.0 -
Pop Tarts are bad because you can burn your tongue on them (ouch!).
Ice cream is bad because it can give you 'ice cream headaches (ouch!)
If neither of these apply to you - then eat away - as long as they fit into your micro/macro/calorie goals for the day - don't worry about it.
If other people want to worry about it, let them - I'm just glad they've got no worries of their own to concern themselves about!0 -
I haven't read through the 14 pages of this thread but is OP really eating 4k cals everyday with 300+ g of protein, 100+g of fat, and a lot of carbs each day and thinking it's good? All that'll do is give you fat on top of fat
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I haven't read through the 14 pages of this thread but is OP really eating 4k cals everyday with 300+ g of protein, 100+g of fat, and a lot of carbs each day and thinking it's good? All that'll do is give you fat on top of fat
*facepalm*
Aww come on, I took that one to heart.0 -
I will not. You got it right bro! hahaha I too enjoy these things and have done so while losing nearly as much weight as yourself...unfortunately without exercise they caught back up to me, so I gotta work my way back down! lol
i think this is my point in a nutshell. if you eat primarily whole foods, what you experienced is much, MUCH less likely to happen. eating the types of foods I eat and in the quantities I eat them, even if I stop exercising I won't gain weight, or not significantly.
Okay, quick question. You are only 24 years old, you have "0" pounds to lose. I am curious. Were you ever overweight? If so, how overweight were you? Do you have pictures of this? Have you ever had issues with food at all? Sometimes, if we have not walked in a person's shoes, we don't understand everything they deal with. It's easy to tell people how to eat or how not to eat, but if you have never lived this life - you really have no true idea what it takes to succeed. Not critizing you at all, just curious.
False argument. I'm 31 years old. I have had 2 kids. I was 106# when I got pregnant with my first. I was 167# when I went in for delivery. I was #160 when I walked out. Lost 30# through eating clean and group fitness. I was 130# when I got pregnant with my son. Again in the high 160s when I went in for delivery. I got stuck at 148# for a year after. I struggled with breastfeeding and a whole boat load of things and didn't feed my body correctly. I was well within my calorie range but because I was tired and dealing with two kids, all I ate was Weight Watchers frozen meals. Didn't work. At all. In 2010 I signed up for a 5k and started back eating clean. By May I was down to 118#. I have fluctuated often due to my diet.
I'm not saying that my anecdotal evidence applies to all. As someone who has had to work very hard to maintain my figure (I never got back down to my pre-pregnancy weight and probably never will) I definitely understand the struggles. AND I AGREE WITH COACHREDDY... You don't need to have struggled with your weight to have insight on proper nutrition.
Did you read the additional discussion on this point? You may want to if not. I don't know if you intend this or not but your tone comes across as very argumentative. That can be a little offputting. Just a FYI.
This is a discussion on macros and nutrition, not my "tone: or writing abilities. All other drama need not apply.0 -
How can a poptart not be "real" food? they sell them in the food sections of the stores. anyway, I didnt mind giving my grandkids poptarts for breakfast long ago once i saw they had a few vits and mins in them. i had only been giving them as a snack, along with me. I put peaches on top of the cinnamon tarts, micro wave a while, and there is a little peach cobbler.
um...
that's why. EVERYTHING on that list has been processed, modified, enriched, etc. NOT REAL FOOD.
this :flowerforyou:0 -
I haven't read through the 14 pages of this thread but is OP really eating 4k cals everyday with 300+ g of protein, 100+g of fat, and a lot of carbs each day and thinking it's good? All that'll do is give you fat on top of fat
*facepalm*
It's funny! You reacted to the same 2 posts that I did in pretty much the same way. This one and the Glycemic index one. lol0 -
I will not. You got it right bro! hahaha I too enjoy these things and have done so while losing nearly as much weight as yourself...unfortunately without exercise they caught back up to me, so I gotta work my way back down! lol
i think this is my point in a nutshell. if you eat primarily whole foods, what you experienced is much, MUCH less likely to happen. eating the types of foods I eat and in the quantities I eat them, even if I stop exercising I won't gain weight, or not significantly.
Okay, quick question. You are only 24 years old, you have "0" pounds to lose. I am curious. Were you ever overweight? If so, how overweight were you? Do you have pictures of this? Have you ever had issues with food at all? Sometimes, if we have not walked in a person's shoes, we don't understand everything they deal with. It's easy to tell people how to eat or how not to eat, but if you have never lived this life - you really have no true idea what it takes to succeed. Not critizing you at all, just curious.
False argument. I'm 31 years old. I have had 2 kids. I was 106# when I got pregnant with my first. I was 167# when I went in for delivery. I was #160 when I walked out. Lost 30# through eating clean and group fitness. I was 130# when I got pregnant with my son. Again in the high 160s when I went in for delivery. I got stuck at 148# for a year after. I struggled with breastfeeding and a whole boat load of things and didn't feed my body correctly. I was well within my calorie range but because I was tired and dealing with two kids, all I ate was Weight Watchers frozen meals. Didn't work. At all. In 2010 I signed up for a 5k and started back eating clean. By May I was down to 118#. I have fluctuated often due to my diet.
I'm not saying that my anecdotal evidence applies to all. As someone who has had to work very hard to maintain my figure (I never got back down to my pre-pregnancy weight and probably never will) I definitely understand the struggles. AND I AGREE WITH COACHREDDY... You don't need to have struggled with your weight to have insight on proper nutrition.
Did you read the additional discussion on this point? You may want to if not. I don't know if you intend this or not but your tone comes across as very argumentative. That can be a little offputting. Just a FYI.
This is a discussion on macros and nutrition, not my "tone: or writing abilities. All other drama need not apply.
Case in point. No drama, just saying. If a message is delivered in an abrasive fashion it is less likely to be received. If you just want to be a keyboard warrior and shoot darts, help yourself. You have yourself a great day now.0 -
Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
Well let's put it this way OP, 4000 calories per day is not realistic for most people wanting to lose weight.
20 - 25% , doesn't matter what your total intake is. I get to eat more because mine's higher, that's all that means. I never said go eat 1000 calories a day of XXXX food.
his diary is open. anyone who wants to see if his claim of 25% is consistent with his actions, check it out.
By all means, take a look.
Don't understand how you are maintaining when you are consistently over on your calories even after exercise??0 -
oh hai, not this thread again, lol.
I pretty much don't care what other people eat.... if they want advice, excellent but I suspect this was not started as a thread asking for advice.
If you are succeeding with what you are eating, it's your deal... I'm not anybody's food babysitter. (I'm just here for the pictures, hee)
I can think of worse things than ice cream, though pop tarts never really floated my boat (even in the days when my celiac was undiagnosed). I'd replace it with a black bean double chocolate brownie with some extra whey protein added. So the general idea of eating ice cream with a sweet cake-like thing is still the same, pretty much.0 -
"at the end of the day you have to WANT to do what you're doing."
Of all the things I've read today - this has a ton of truth. Those that think they need more motivation, need more people to push them, are sadly mistaken. It must come for the inside. Otherwise, you fail again.0 -
TBH it sounds like a cycle of addiction. Eliminating some food gave you a 'reward' by feeling in control. The reward doesn't last forever and you need to find the next food to demonize and reduce/eliminate in order to get the next fix. You'll never catch the dragon.I never set out to "eat clean" or whatever, it just sort of... evolved... and once I was doing it I realized I really liked doing it. I can spout on all day (what? i'd never do that) about eating this that and the other thing, but everyone's got different goals, reasons for doing this, and if eating perfectly "clean" isn't something that gets you excited and invested in your "journey" for lack of a better word, then **** man, don't do it. Not that I eat perfectly clean either, but I'm sure you get my point.0 -
I can't eat Pop Tarts due to a self-imposed dietary restriction (vegetarian), but I can't say the same for (most) ice cream.
I would just pass on the 3 meat pop tarts and go for some of the more vegetarian friendly varieties.0 -
"at the end of the day you have to WANT to do what you're doing."
Of all the things I've read today - this has a ton of truth. Those that think they need more motivation, need more people to push them, are sadly mistaken. It must come for the inside. Otherwise, you fail again.
Totally true. And as some here know, it's not about motivation. It's about dedication and action. Deciding what's important to you and doing it, whether you feel like it or not on any given day.0 -
Things got awfully Bromantic in this thread today...0
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Things got awfully Bromantic in this thread today...
Lol, they did, didn't they! Time for the group hug and sing Cumbayah?? Anyone??0 -
Thanks momI will not. You got it right bro! hahaha I too enjoy these things and have done so while losing nearly as much weight as yourself...unfortunately without exercise they caught back up to me, so I gotta work my way back down! lol
i think this is my point in a nutshell. if you eat primarily whole foods, what you experienced is much, MUCH less likely to happen. eating the types of foods I eat and in the quantities I eat them, even if I stop exercising I won't gain weight, or not significantly.
Okay, quick question. You are only 24 years old, you have "0" pounds to lose. I am curious. Were you ever overweight? If so, how overweight were you? Do you have pictures of this? Have you ever had issues with food at all? Sometimes, if we have not walked in a person's shoes, we don't understand everything they deal with. It's easy to tell people how to eat or how not to eat, but if you have never lived this life - you really have no true idea what it takes to succeed. Not critizing you at all, just curious.
False argument. I'm 31 years old. I have had 2 kids. I was 106# when I got pregnant with my first. I was 167# when I went in for delivery. I was #160 when I walked out. Lost 30# through eating clean and group fitness. I was 130# when I got pregnant with my son. Again in the high 160s when I went in for delivery. I got stuck at 148# for a year after. I struggled with breastfeeding and a whole boat load of things and didn't feed my body correctly. I was well within my calorie range but because I was tired and dealing with two kids, all I ate was Weight Watchers frozen meals. Didn't work. At all. In 2010 I signed up for a 5k and started back eating clean. By May I was down to 118#. I have fluctuated often due to my diet.
I'm not saying that my anecdotal evidence applies to all. As someone who has had to work very hard to maintain my figure (I never got back down to my pre-pregnancy weight and probably never will) I definitely understand the struggles. AND I AGREE WITH COACHREDDY... You don't need to have struggled with your weight to have insight on proper nutrition.
Did you read the additional discussion on this point? You may want to if not. I don't know if you intend this or not but your tone comes across as very argumentative. That can be a little offputting. Just a FYI.
This is a discussion on macros and nutrition, not my "tone: or writing abilities. All other drama need not apply.
Case in point. No drama, just saying. If a message is delivered in an abrasive fashion it is less likely to be received. If you just want to be a keyboard warrior and shoot darts, help yourself. You have yourself a great day now.0 -
Damn, I come here for the drama not the bro hugs.
Hats off to the principals in this thread. Nice convo.0 -
Thanks mom
Case in point. No drama, just saying. If a message is delivered in an abrasive fashion it is less likely to be received. If you just want to be a keyboard warrior and shoot darts, help yourself. You have yourself a great day now.
Quite welcome sweetie. Care for a poptart?0 -
Thanks mom
Case in point. No drama, just saying. If a message is delivered in an abrasive fashion it is less likely to be received. If you just want to be a keyboard warrior and shoot darts, help yourself. You have yourself a great day now.
Quite welcome sweetie. Care for a poptart?
I'll take a brownie for 200, Alex. :-P0 -
Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
Well let's put it this way OP, 4000 calories per day is not realistic for most people wanting to lose weight.
20 - 25% , doesn't matter what your total intake is. I get to eat more because mine's higher, that's all that means. I never said go eat 1000 calories a day of XXXX food.
his diary is open. anyone who wants to see if his claim of 25% is consistent with his actions, check it out.
By all means, take a look.
Don't understand how you are maintaining when you are consistently over on your calories even after exercise??
MFP doesn't really do well as pertaining to lifting energy expended. I don't manually adjust the numbers because I find it amusing and I like the reactions like yours. :laugh: :flowerforyou: I primarily use the app to track my food & my macros. The calorie goals are in my head (and on the scale).0 -
Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
Well let's put it this way OP, 4000 calories per day is not realistic for most people wanting to lose weight.
20 - 25% , doesn't matter what your total intake is. I get to eat more because mine's higher, that's all that means. I never said go eat 1000 calories a day of XXXX food.
his diary is open. anyone who wants to see if his claim of 25% is consistent with his actions, check it out.
By all means, take a look.
Don't understand how you are maintaining when you are consistently over on your calories even after exercise??
MFP doesn't really do well as pertaining to lifting energy expended. I don't manually adjust the numbers because I find it amusing and I like the reactions like yours. :laugh: :flowerforyou: I primarily use the app to track my food & my macros. The calorie goals are in my head (and on the scale).
I agree with you about energy expended from lifting......never thought MFP's was correct.......makes sense now. Thank you. :flowerforyou:0 -
Thanks mom
Case in point. No drama, just saying. If a message is delivered in an abrasive fashion it is less likely to be received. If you just want to be a keyboard warrior and shoot darts, help yourself. You have yourself a great day now.
Quite welcome sweetie. Care for a poptart?
I'll take a brownie for 200, Alex. :-P
Lolz! Excellent comeback. Besides, brownies haven't gotten much love in this thread. magerum, what you got against brownies man??0 -
Thanks mom
Case in point. No drama, just saying. If a message is delivered in an abrasive fashion it is less likely to be received. If you just want to be a keyboard warrior and shoot darts, help yourself. You have yourself a great day now.
Quite welcome sweetie. Care for a poptart?
I'll take a brownie for 200, Alex. :-P
Lolz! Excellent comeback. Besides, brownies haven't gotten much love in this thread. magerum, what you got against brownies man??
Good ones don't come in little travel packets like pop tarts! Otherwise, I've got nothing...0 -
Pop tarts are bad because they taste horrible.
Ice cream I have no beef with.
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!0 -
I'm 43 years old, not a baby, and derive happiness from eating. Every day. So that statement is easily falsified by observed reality.Only babies derive happiness from what they put in their mouths. Hedonism is always a mistake. Therein does not true joy lie.
Enjoying eating is not "hedonism." There is an entire spectrum, much of which is healthy moderation. You are presenting a false dichotomy that the only options are hedonism or misery.
I suppose sex for pleasure is also "a mistake."
Not within healthy bounds. It is a part of a healthy and fulfilling marital relationship. But unbounded sexuality has produced a great deal of human tragedy. However, that is to derail the subject at hand--sorry OP.
I think you and I probably have a different definition of happiness. I could NEVER imagine seeking it in food.
Reese's Peanut Butter Eggs make me genuinely happy... and then they are gone so fast that i get genuinely sad.0 -
"at the end of the day you have to WANT to do what you're doing."
Of all the things I've read today - this has a ton of truth. Those that think they need more motivation, need more people to push them, are sadly mistaken. It must come for the inside. Otherwise, you fail again.
Totally true. And as some here know, it's not about motivation. It's about dedication and action. Deciding what's important to you and doing it, whether you feel like it or not on any given day.
How is that different than motivation?0
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