How young is too young?
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I don't see why you can't date her. Of course, if she lives with mom and dad, I would have to make certain it was okay with them first. It will just go better for you if they approve. And... if I were you, I wouldn't get too physical until she was 18. Otherwise, I don't see why you can't date her, as long as you are respectful to her and her parents. Be an upstanding guy about it. If you have a real connection with her, then it's worth it.0
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I'm from Asia. We have a strict policy of old enough to bleed, old enough to breed
You realize that here in North America in some cases that means 8 years old?
That's like promoting pedophielia.
Well, we don't drink and eat food filled with artificial hormones. Girls here typically have their periods around 13+ years.
^ Says that like 13 years old is ok...
I thought you knew about my culture *cough* BS *cough*
13 is NOT ok in the UK, the US, or 95% of all other countries. You need to take your own advice and learn about cultures other than your own.
Good thing I am not talking about the other countries, am I? And I thought you knew what my culture is?
she does she's saying it's not ok for a 13 year old to have sex....
Thanks but the Asian cultures are much more Ancient than some 300 years old country so I think we know better. I love how in your culture a girl is magically of age when she turns 18. One day she's this innocent child and the next day, she's a woman who can do whatever she wants.
You seem to be persistently missing the point over and over again despite how many people point it out to you.
It's seemingly weird to you that a woman 'magically' turns into an adult when she hits 18, but not so weird that a girl 'magically' turns into an adult the second she starts bleeding.
And seeing as you are obviously so unique and follow this ancient culture that no-one would possibly know anything about, why don't you inform us poor uneducated souls as to what that is rather than being so secretive about it?
I would also like to point out, if you really do follow a 300 year old culture, that explains a lot as to why you think it's acceptable to have sex with children. Your culture needs updating.0 -
OP has come here looking for justification.
The fact that he feels he needs justification is enough of a flag to say this is the wrong thing.
OP
You're too old. She's too young. There is not justification for the relationship you want. It's inappropriate and just plain dumb.
Put your thinking head back in your pants and grow up enough to find a woman to date.
OMG..^^^^ THIS!!!! You are awesome!!0 -
Shes pretty much an adult. If your both happy go for it. Age don't mean jack.
Thank you.
THis is what I was thinking.
I mean when she's 30 and I'm 45 is it really going to matter?
It won't be so bad in 10 years time no.
How 17 is she? I mean, has she recently turned 17 or is she nearer to 18?
You've got to think though that she's still quite young. When you're 32 she'll be 20. Will she want the same things as you? Or will she be regretting giving up her young adult life to have a relationship with an older man.
If she's mature for her age and doesn't care about going out on the tiles all the time with her friends and she is looking for a long term relationship that could lead to something more, then go for it. But if she's not, then maybe you should side step this one and go for someone a little bit older, that you will still have loads in common with, but you have the same long term relationship goals.
Hope that made sense
Thank you!
She is a very mature 17 and I would consider myself an immature 29.
I really DID feel a connection with this girl which is why it's so hard to just "side step" it at this point. She's everything I'm looking for. She's gorgeous, charming, charismatic, and I think that if alot of the people on this forum giving me a hard time were to meet her they wouldn't have a problem with me seeing her.0 -
And Taunto, before you say it, I DO know about your culture, and I am entitled to an opinion just as much as you are.
I have noticed you posting controversial posts in an attempt to get a rise out of people many times on here, and now that you have, you don't seem to like it. In all honesty, what did you expect people's reactions to be to your post? You have to understand our way of living just as much as you expect us to understand yours.
Where am I from. Please tell me and also tell me how you know my culture and how does that entitle you to an opinion?
Ohh Taunto...if not from India you're either from Pakistan or Bangladesh eating "chaney ki daal, kadhai chicken, igloo ice-cream, roti ,indian tandoori naan,pakodas,keema,dosa,poori,indianchicken biryani,kofta,kadhi,bombay club rabri,bihari kabab" and having 'indian chai' in your diary. "Eat outs at Gopal's, Indian Take aways,Ghasitaram's cham cham arhar daal, laal wali daal,halwa"...you kidding..?? Who other that Indians or pakistanis know hindi that well not even bangladeshis.0 -
Sorry has the Ick Ick ICKKKK factor for me.
I cannot see how a man who is approaching 30 could have anything in common with a 17 year old. She could still be in school.
I take it you have no children of your own because if you did you would understand why some of us have had a little bit of sick appearing in our mouths reading your posts.
I am in the UK and have dated younger men but NOT men who (I feel) are still children. That is verging on "nonse" in my book.
Hopefully she has a big stong dad who doesn't take kindly to (supposedly) older and so called mature men trying it on with his daughter...
If a 29 year old woman tried it on with my 17 year old son (my Son is 17, this isn't hypothetical), I would kick her *kitten* into next week.0 -
And Taunto, before you say it, I DO know about your culture, and I am entitled to an opinion just as much as you are.
I have noticed you posting controversial posts in an attempt to get a rise out of people many times on here, and now that you have, you don't seem to like it. In all honesty, what did you expect people's reactions to be to your post? You have to understand our way of living just as much as you expect us to understand yours.
Where am I from. Please tell me and also tell me how you know my culture and how does that entitle you to an opinion?
Ohh Taunto...if not from India you're either from Pakistan or Bangladesh eating "chaney ki daal, kadhai chicken, igloo ice-cream, roti ,indian tandoori naan,pakodas,keema,dosa,poori,indianchicken biryani,kofta,kadhi,bombay club rabri,bihari kabab" and having 'indian chai' in your diary. "Eat outs at Gopal's, Indian Take aways,Ghasitaram's cham cham arhar daal, laal wali daal,halwa"...you kidding..?? Who other that Indians or pakistanis know hindi that well not even bangladeshis.
Pakistan and Bangladesh is totally India.0 -
I'm from Asia.
Just casually perusing through your posts on this thread. Where exactly in Asia do you live? Or maybe you already said it and I just missed it.
I'm going to say he is from one of the Asian countries. Not Africa or Europe. But this is an assumption.
access denied on the second pic
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Did you just compared a matured, knowledgeable woman of 17 years old to some ditsy blonde who's making a duck face? What is wrong with ...?
She's 18, and obviously very mature (and talented). *snickers*0 -
My son is almost 17 and if he was dating a 29 yr old his butt would be grounded until he was 21.
Most of the time he still needs to be told to take his dogs out for a pee he isn't mature enough at 17 to have an "adult" relationship and going by all the teenage girls I have to deal with by having two teenage sons most 16/17 and even 18 yr old girls don't have the maturity level to have a real relationship a 29 year old man.
Seriously I'm only 4 years older than you and dealing with teenagers daily isn't fun :grumble:
Plus if you really felt she was old enough to be with you wouldn't have asked this question in the first place.0 -
And Taunto, before you say it, I DO know about your culture, and I am entitled to an opinion just as much as you are.
I have noticed you posting controversial posts in an attempt to get a rise out of people many times on here, and now that you have, you don't seem to like it. In all honesty, what did you expect people's reactions to be to your post? You have to understand our way of living just as much as you expect us to understand yours.
Where am I from. Please tell me and also tell me how you know my culture and how does that entitle you to an opinion?
Ohh Taunto...if not from India you're either from Pakistan or Bangladesh eating "chaney ki daal, kadhai chicken, igloo ice-cream, roti ,indian tandoori naan,pakodas,keema,dosa,poori,indianchicken biryani,kofta,kadhi,bombay club rabri,bihari kabab" and having 'indian chai' in your diary. "Eat outs at Gopal's, Indian Take aways,Ghasitaram's cham cham arhar daal, laal wali daal,halwa"...you kidding..?? Who other that Indians or pakistanis know hindi that well not even bangladeshis.
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including our own.
sometimes cultures need to change.going by your pics you're from india? i think given the current movement for fairer treatment of women in your country after a woman had her insides removed with a scaffold pole after being raped by 6 men, you might want to have a look at what values you're holding to lol...
agreed
the recent news in america, with more sympathy for rapist jocks than for their victim, would illustrate the point. marital rape was legal in the uk right up until 1991. i don't think there's a culture on the planet that shouldn't be striving to improve.
I very much agree with this. A friend of mine showed me all these Twitter posts and FB posts by people, actually blaming the girl for the rape, that she was a "slut" and "why was she drinking in the first place." Yeah, because you should be punished for making a stupid choice by way of rape. Even worse was those females who got arrested for harassing and threatening her. Disgusting.
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and how impressive it is that we can post our disgust without being accused of being anti american.
if you love your country and your culture then you want it to be the best it can be, and admitting it's flaws is part of that.
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1991 would be 22 years ago... alot changes in nearly a quarter of a century lol
while again in india where forced marriages and rape is completely legal i fail to see where the counter arguement is, i don't know what idiots on facebook holds as a countries values but where i'm from in the UK off of the internet a rapist is not defended unless in a court of law because he has to be and victims are most definately not vilified in any way shape or form
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Rape is legal in India? Better tell those guys just found guilty of raping a student then........0 -
and how impressive it is that we can post our disgust without being accused of being anti american.
including our own.
sometimes cultures need to change.going by your pics you're from india? i think given the current movement for fairer treatment of women in your country after a woman had her insides removed with a scaffold pole after being raped by 6 men, you might want to have a look at what values you're holding to lol...
agreed
the recent news in america, with more sympathy for rapist jocks than for their victim, would illustrate the point. marital rape was legal in the uk right up until 1991. i don't think there's a culture on the planet that shouldn't be striving to improve.
I very much agree with this. A friend of mine showed me all these Twitter posts and FB posts by people, actually blaming the girl for the rape, that she was a "slut" and "why was she drinking in the first place." Yeah, because you should be punished for making a stupid choice by way of rape. Even worse was those females who got arrested for harassing and threatening her. Disgusting.
if you love your country and your culture then you want it to be the best it can be, and admitting it's flaws is part of that.
1991 would be 22 years ago... alot changes in nearly a quarter of a century lol
while again in india where forced marriages and rape is completely legal i fail to see where the counter arguement is, i don't know what idiots on facebook holds as a countries values but where i'm from in the UK off of the internet a rapist is not defended unless in a court of law because he has to be and victims are most definately not vilified in any way shape or form
I don't understand why you keep bringing India into this conversation? Did your British empire not rape and pillage them enough that you feel the need to finish the job?
... no i'm expressing my opinion of the things that go on there, i didn't have anything to do with the british empire? i don't reallllly think i'm disallowed an opinion because of something that happened 400 years ago
400 years ago? Do you know nothing of your own history?0 -
as a girl who used to hook up with older guys when I was 17... I look back now and see them as total creepers.
Yes!!! Back when I was 16 and 17... I had a 23-year-old who would always hit on me.. I thought it was cool at the time. BUT, now I have a 17-year-old daughter and I look at that guy for what he was.. A FREAKIN PEDOPHILE!!! Jeez. Someone who just doesn't want to grow up.
So, are you planning on going to prom with her too???0 -
My mother was 18 when she met my father, 19 when she married him. He was 40. BUT, my mother graduated from highschool at 16 years old (she's one of those smart types), graduated from college, and had already been married and divorced with a child (book smart, not people smart- her first husband was an abusive alcoholic) when she met my father. So she wasn't quite like today's 18 year old maturity wise. My dad passed away two weeks after their 33rd anniversary.
Your mom didn't suddenly become "people-smart" when she met your dad, she was simply lucky he wasn't another *kitten*. And here's the thing: teenagers usually can't tell if someone's being abusive, and if they do, they don't know how to deal with it. Even less that grownups. Yet another reason for adults not to date kids.
Thanks again for proving my point. I'm genuinely just a nice guy.
I'm not a jerk. I simply plan on taking her out and seeing if there's the same chemistry I felt for her at the gym.
Thanks.
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Pff, just admit it; you want to screw her, and she's hot enough for you to ignore common sense.
Well, go for it. I'm fairly sure you'll strike out quickly though, as she's not likely to be very interested. Being a hot 17-year old an all, she probably doesn't have to settle for 29-year olds who wants to sleep with teenagers.
This is a much less kind way of saying it, but I agree that he's going to get his heart broken by her. I was watching a movie about this the other night and thinking about how the man was in love with the high schooler, but she dumped him because he was immature. She was hot, and he was kinda schlumpy.
Ok now I'm starting to ACTUALLY get offended! Being called a creep and now being accused of being "schlumpy"!
Why is it so hard to believe that a 17 year old might be attracted to me? I put alot of effort into my appearence. I work hard at it. I'm certainly not "schlumpy".
Honestly? Because you're 29, man. You're past your peak, AND you're someone who wants to go out with a 17-year old, which points to an intellect slightly lower than the average ~30-something's. I'm not saying you ARE, I'm just saying it's kind of indicative...
I AM NOT OVER THE HILL!!!!:explode:0 -
It's a big NO NO , sorry dude0
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You seem to be persistently missing the point over and over again despite how many people point it out to you.
It's seemingly weird to you that a woman 'magically' turns into an adult when she hits 18, but not so weird that a girl 'magically' turns into an adult the second she starts bleeding.
And seeing as you are obviously so unique and follow this ancient culture that no-one would possibly know anything about, why don't you inform us poor uneducated souls as to what that is rather than being so secretive about it?
I would also like to point out, if you really do follow a 300 year old culture, that explains a lot as to why you think it's acceptable to have sex with children. Your culture needs updating.
Wow you're one nasty woman. Just because somebody chooses to ignore your methods you accuse them of wanting ot have sex with children? You're sick and you disgust me.0 -
Dude, you eat live shrimp and still claim to know better!
I don't eat sea food. Once again, you're clearly clueless about my culture
You're trying to take advantage of the "ancient asian culture" thing, when we all know that most of asia was a swamp where the highest level of intellect barely managed to figure out what end of the pointy stick to poke the frogs with. So I'm going to treat you as an average asian, which eats sea food, including live baby shrimp. And pig-face.
Racist post is racist0 -
and how impressive it is that we can post our disgust without being accused of being anti american.
including our own.
sometimes cultures need to change.going by your pics you're from india? i think given the current movement for fairer treatment of women in your country after a woman had her insides removed with a scaffold pole after being raped by 6 men, you might want to have a look at what values you're holding to lol...
agreed
the recent news in america, with more sympathy for rapist jocks than for their victim, would illustrate the point. marital rape was legal in the uk right up until 1991. i don't think there's a culture on the planet that shouldn't be striving to improve.
I very much agree with this. A friend of mine showed me all these Twitter posts and FB posts by people, actually blaming the girl for the rape, that she was a "slut" and "why was she drinking in the first place." Yeah, because you should be punished for making a stupid choice by way of rape. Even worse was those females who got arrested for harassing and threatening her. Disgusting.
if you love your country and your culture then you want it to be the best it can be, and admitting it's flaws is part of that.
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1991 would be 22 years ago... alot changes in nearly a quarter of a century lol
while again in india where forced marriages and rape is completely legal i fail to see where the counter arguement is, i don't know what idiots on facebook holds as a countries values but where i'm from in the UK off of the internet a rapist is not defended unless in a court of law because he has to be and victims are most definately not vilified in any way shape or form
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Rape is legal in India? Better tell those guys just found guilty of raping a student then........
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because it was made world wide news0 -
as a girl who used to hook up with older guys when I was 17... I look back now and see them as total creepers.
Yes!!! Back when I was 16 and 17... I had a 23-year-old who would always hit on me.. I thought it was cool at the time. BUT, now I have a 17-year-old daughter and I look at that guy for what he was.. A FREAKIN PEDOPHILE!!! Jeez. Someone who just doesn't want to grow up.
So, are you planning on going to prom with her too???
Ok 23 and 17?
That's just absurd?
What happens at 18? The adult fairy comes down and blesses them?0 -
Totally agreeI would also like to point out, if you really do follow a 300 year old culture, that explains a lot as to why you think it's acceptable to have sex with children. Your culture needs updating.
It is amazing how some people leave part of their culture behind but keep the bits that they like.
300 years ago we all crapped out of windows and burned witches at the stake. We bethrothed our children at the age of about 9 or 10, younger if we happened to be royalty. We sent small children out to work and up chimneys at the age of 6 or 7.
It is quite important to move with the times. If someone wants to use, believe and live by the phrase "Old enough to bleed old enough to breed" they need their testicles removing and shoving up their backside. Its revolting and wrong.
Mind you, some Asian cultures believe that powdered Rhino horn helps with erections and that bear bile is good for them. Nuff said!0 -
and how impressive it is that we can post our disgust without being accused of being anti american.
including our own.
sometimes cultures need to change.going by your pics you're from india? i think given the current movement for fairer treatment of women in your country after a woman had her insides removed with a scaffold pole after being raped by 6 men, you might want to have a look at what values you're holding to lol...
agreed
the recent news in america, with more sympathy for rapist jocks than for their victim, would illustrate the point. marital rape was legal in the uk right up until 1991. i don't think there's a culture on the planet that shouldn't be striving to improve.
I very much agree with this. A friend of mine showed me all these Twitter posts and FB posts by people, actually blaming the girl for the rape, that she was a "slut" and "why was she drinking in the first place." Yeah, because you should be punished for making a stupid choice by way of rape. Even worse was those females who got arrested for harassing and threatening her. Disgusting.
if you love your country and your culture then you want it to be the best it can be, and admitting it's flaws is part of that.
1991 would be 22 years ago... alot changes in nearly a quarter of a century lol
while again in india where forced marriages and rape is completely legal i fail to see where the counter arguement is, i don't know what idiots on facebook holds as a countries values but where i'm from in the UK off of the internet a rapist is not defended unless in a court of law because he has to be and victims are most definately not vilified in any way shape or form
I don't understand why you keep bringing India into this conversation? Did your British empire not rape and pillage them enough that you feel the need to finish the job?
... no i'm expressing my opinion of the things that go on there, i didn't have anything to do with the british empire? i don't reallllly think i'm disallowed an opinion because of something that happened 400 years ago
400 years ago? Do you know nothing of your own history?
The first British outpost in South Asia was established in 1619 at Surat (in the State of Gujarat, India) on the northwestern coast.0 -
Dude, you eat live shrimp and still claim to know better!
I don't eat sea food. Once again, you're clearly clueless about my culture
You're trying to take advantage of the "ancient asian culture" thing, when we all know that most of asia was a swamp where the highest level of intellect barely managed to figure out what end of the pointy stick to poke the frogs with. So I'm going to treat you as an average asian, which eats sea food, including live baby shrimp. And pig-face.
Racist post is racist
How is it racist to claim that a few thousand years back, not all asians where geniuses? Or is it the fact that I claim a lot of asians eat sea-food and pig-face?0 -
My mother was 18 when she met my father, 19 when she married him. He was 40. BUT, my mother graduated from highschool at 16 years old (she's one of those smart types), graduated from college, and had already been married and divorced with a child (book smart, not people smart- her first husband was an abusive alcoholic) when she met my father. So she wasn't quite like today's 18 year old maturity wise. My dad passed away two weeks after their 33rd anniversary.
Your mom didn't suddenly become "people-smart" when she met your dad, she was simply lucky he wasn't another *kitten*. And here's the thing: teenagers usually can't tell if someone's being abusive, and if they do, they don't know how to deal with it. Even less that grownups. Yet another reason for adults not to date kids.
Her life experience had helped her become "people-smart". Which was my point- my mother had already experienced a lot of life by the time she was 18. She was far more mature than most 18 year olds today.0 -
And Taunto, before you say it, I DO know about your culture, and I am entitled to an opinion just as much as you are.
I have noticed you posting controversial posts in an attempt to get a rise out of people many times on here, and now that you have, you don't seem to like it. In all honesty, what did you expect people's reactions to be to your post? You have to understand our way of living just as much as you expect us to understand yours.
Where am I from. Please tell me and also tell me how you know my culture and how does that entitle you to an opinion?
Ohh Taunto...if not from India you're either from Pakistan or Bangladesh eating "chaney ki daal, kadhai chicken, igloo ice-cream, roti ,indian tandoori naan,pakodas,keema,dosa,poori,indianchicken biryani,kofta,kadhi,bombay club rabri,bihari kabab" and having 'indian chai' in your diary. "Eat outs at Gopal's, Indian Take aways,Ghasitaram's cham cham arhar daal, laal wali daal,halwa"...you kidding..?? Who other that Indians or pakistanis know hindi that well not even bangladeshis.
First, keep guessing. You're doing an amazing job so far. I know of a friend of mine who's black and eats Italian a lot. He's clearly from Greece. Right?
Also, Indian rape scandal is the same as Pakistan and Bangladesh? Are YOU kidding?
You are so clueless and ignorant that I don't even know how you can type...0 -
You seem to be persistently missing the point over and over again despite how many people point it out to you.
It's seemingly weird to you that a woman 'magically' turns into an adult when she hits 18, but not so weird that a girl 'magically' turns into an adult the second she starts bleeding.
And seeing as you are obviously so unique and follow this ancient culture that no-one would possibly know anything about, why don't you inform us poor uneducated souls as to what that is rather than being so secretive about it?
I would also like to point out, if you really do follow a 300 year old culture, that explains a lot as to why you think it's acceptable to have sex with children. Your culture needs updating.
Wow you're one nasty woman. Just because somebody chooses to ignore your methods you accuse them of wanting ot have sex with children? You're sick and you disgust me.
I can assure you not as much as you disgust me. Your original post said 'old enough to bleed, old enough to breed'. A more recent post said that children in Asia start having periods at 13.
A 13 year old is still a child.
*awaits response about your culture*0 -
My mother was 18 when she met my father, 19 when she married him. He was 40. BUT, my mother graduated from highschool at 16 years old (she's one of those smart types), graduated from college, and had already been married and divorced with a child (book smart, not people smart- her first husband was an abusive alcoholic) when she met my father. So she wasn't quite like today's 18 year old maturity wise. My dad passed away two weeks after their 33rd anniversary.
Your mom didn't suddenly become "people-smart" when she met your dad, she was simply lucky he wasn't another *kitten*. And here's the thing: teenagers usually can't tell if someone's being abusive, and if they do, they don't know how to deal with it. Even less that grownups. Yet another reason for adults not to date kids.
Her life experience had helped her become "people-smart". Which was my point- my mother had already experienced a lot of life by the time she was 18. She was far more mature than most 18 year olds today.
I'm sure she was, but my point is that it's still like saying "I'm MUCH heavier than air!". That doesn't make you heavy in an absolute sense...0 -
Is geography no longer taught in schools? Perhaps the OP could check with his potential girlfriend...Ohh Taunto...if not from India you're either from Pakistan or Bangladesh eating "chaney ki daal, kadhai chicken, igloo ice-cream, roti ,indian tandoori naan,pakodas,keema,dosa,poori,indianchicken biryani,kofta,kadhi,bombay club rabri,bihari kabab" and having 'indian chai' in your diary. "Eat outs at Gopal's, Indian Take aways,Ghasitaram's cham cham arhar daal, laal wali daal,halwa"...you kidding..?? Who other that Indians or pakistanis know hindi that well not even bangladeshis.
Pakistan and Bangladesh is totally India.
Oh, and I live in Manchester and could fill my diary with the above, you can't tell someone's location by their diary, we live in a multicultural world now, y'know? :flowerforyou:0 -
I think taunto is originally american or european, but moved to Thailand.0
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No. Its the age when most GROWN UPS AND DECENT ADULTS recognise that in the UK you are not an adult until you are 18,Ok 23 and 17?
That's just absurd?
What happens at 18? The adult fairy comes down and blesses them?
If you wish to date a person who isn't a child but is NOT yet an adult then don't expect to get back up from a forum0
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