How young is too young?
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Despite my wanting to bite my tongue and kick myself in the head and most likely be branded as a creeper - why then do human beings sexually mature at a young age ??? Do we blame nature or God for the rotten situation !!!!0
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I'm genuinely curious to know what you found you have in common with her after talking with her in the gym. Does she even squat?
She sticks to cardio mostly.
I think I could convince her to start lifting heavy though.
Lol, you are so just trolling with this thread, i know it.
^^^^this^^^^^
Honestly, why continue to feed the trolls?0 -
if we were to ask the opinion of someone genuinely high class from your culture, where would they place you?
i would add that, attitudes like yours are mostly common in the lower classes of most of the cultures you speak of. the higher classes, those who are educated, tending towards marrying later.lol yeah let me ignore thousands of years of wisdom and culture in the name of science that is what? 50 years old?
Need I remind you that not too long ago, doctors caused more fatalities at the time of child birth compared to the old ladies who'd deliver? Wheres your science then?
Or how about, you keep your nose out of my culture and keep whatever fad you got going on to your own country huh?
wow, thank you for calling me low class...
Thats really classy of you0 -
How can one jump to that conclusion or make that assumption? You are aware there are over 200 other countries beside the US and England...
Hm? I didn't say there weren't? It doesn't matter what country it is, A person from the US knows the age gap stigma of the US. Well there's always exceptions, but I'm pretty sure its like that with any place.
I guess it could be wrong of me to make a logical conclusion from the information provided, but I would say its pretty reasonable.
Still an assumption that you presented as fact. He could've not been in the US since his he was 8 years old and grew up some where that didn't hold those cultural values.
Any assumption could be reasonable if you tailored the bits of information you have to fit that assumption.
Funfact did you know you can get married in the US at 16 if your family is okay with it? Not bad for such an uptight country.0 -
if we were to ask the opinion of someone genuinely high class from your culture, where would they place you?
i would add that, attitudes like yours are mostly common in the lower classes of most of the cultures you speak of. the higher classes, those who are educated, tending towards marrying later.lol yeah let me ignore thousands of years of wisdom and culture in the name of science that is what? 50 years old?
Need I remind you that not too long ago, doctors caused more fatalities at the time of child birth compared to the old ladies who'd deliver? Wheres your science then?
Or how about, you keep your nose out of my culture and keep whatever fad you got going on to your own country huh?
wow, thank you for calling me low class...
Thats really classy of you
Well, my people aren't ignorant enough to place each other in "classes". But thanks for bringing up that I'm a low class.
ETA: What is considered high class in your opinion. I actually wanna know know? I have lived in US for 10 years and am doing a PhD now in Asia and my immediate family members consists of Chief accountants and doctors and businessman. Whats a high class to you and low-class to you?0 -
Honestly OP, you've heard mostly negative and a few positive responses to your question. That's really all this is going to boil down to. This is ultimately up to you to decide, whether to pursue a relationship or not.
Someone posted this in another thread, which is kinda relevant to the topic.
And who made this rule?
Who is this person to decide who I should and shouldn't date?
It's an interesting chart but not exactly something that I'd take life advice from.
You asked the question and are now upset that you're not getting the responses you want. It's not the 12 years difference in age that would be an issue IMO. It's the fact that she's only 17 years old. If you're 42 and she's 30...go for it...but she's a teenage girl you're a grown man. If you didn't want honest opinions, then don't ask the question.0 -
And who made this rule?
Who is this person to decide who I should and shouldn't date?
It's an interesting chart but not exactly something that I'd take life advice from.
Well OP you're the one who asked the question, and so far a vast majority of responses agree with said rule in your specific case.0 -
Thanks. I think I am genuinely trying to do the right thing.
Who is society to say who we can and can't love.
I mean a few years ago gay marraige was out of the question.
Now look!
For one thing, you are absolutely NOT trying to do "the right thing". You have ignored or chastised everyone who has voiced any concern or objection to this, despite having asked for people's opinions, and have only accepted those who support what you want to do in the first place. And for another thing, you have some freaking nerve, essentially stating that "if gay marriage is ok, then anything goes!" You're a real winner. A real prize for any naive, thinks-she's-grown-up-but-can't-even-drink-or-vote-yet little girl. I'm going to stop there before I really lose my temper.
I have dealt with these comments to the best of my ability!
Please point out where I was chastising people. People are calling ME a creep and YOU yourself just insulted me.
Also what makes you think this girl is naive?
Have you met her?
Why don't you get off your high horse and get your lilly whites dirty like the rest of us lady!0 -
At 17 she isn't even done growing yet - mentally, emotionally or physically. And you are supposed to be almost 30 years old? As a high school teacher, the idea of a full-grown adult dating a teenager really grosses me out. There's such an uneven balance of experience and power in this kind of relationship. Most people haven't really found themselves until their mid-twenties anyway. She is far from a woman. Have you had problems developing relationships with people closer to your own age?
(12 years may not be a big deal when you're older, because you both share equal status as adults. For example, 30 and 42, not a big deal. 12 and 24, pervy as hell. 17 and 29, highly questionable.)
agree agree agree agree agree
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I'm a teachers aid at a high school.
My kids have asked me out numerous times and I've never ever thought, oh yeah, I'll take you up on this.
My first though is Uh hell no. Not only would I lose my job, but that is also considered sexual harassment of staff and the kids could get in major trouble.
Bottom line is, do what you want but frankly, I'd be repulsed instead of attracted.0 -
if we were to ask the opinion of someone genuinely high class from your culture, where would they place you?
i would add that, attitudes like yours are mostly common in the lower classes of most of the cultures you speak of. the higher classes, those who are educated, tending towards marrying later.lol yeah let me ignore thousands of years of wisdom and culture in the name of science that is what? 50 years old?
Need I remind you that not too long ago, doctors caused more fatalities at the time of child birth compared to the old ladies who'd deliver? Wheres your science then?
Or how about, you keep your nose out of my culture and keep whatever fad you got going on to your own country huh?
wow, thank you for calling me low class...
Thats really classy of you
Well, my people aren't ignorant enough to place each other in "classes". But thanks for bringing up that I'm a low class.
going by your pics you're from india? i think given the current movement for fairer treatment of women in your country after a woman had her insides removed with a scaffold pole after being raped by 6 men, you might want to have a look at what values you're holding to lol...0 -
Thanks. I think I am genuinely trying to do the right thing.
Who is society to say who we can and can't love.
I mean a few years ago gay marraige was out of the question.
Now look!
For one thing, you are absolutely NOT trying to do "the right thing". You have ignored or chastised everyone who has voiced any concern or objection to this, despite having asked for people's opinions, and have only accepted those who support what you want to do in the first place. And for another thing, you have some freaking nerve, essentially stating that "if gay marriage is ok, then anything goes!" You're a real winner. A real prize for any naive, thinks-she's-grown-up-but-can't-even-drink-or-vote-yet little girl. I'm going to stop there before I really lose my temper.
I have dealt with these comments to the best of my ability!
Please point out where I was chastising people. People are calling ME a creep and YOU yourself just insulted me.
Also what makes you think this girl is naive?
Have you met her?
Why don't you get off your high horse and get your lilly whites dirty like the rest of us lady!
not bashing just saying.....She's 17, not a lot of life experience, therefore naive.
I know at 17 I certainly thought I knew it all, by 22 I knew a lot more and now I am 33 I realise I am still learning0 -
If you're asking then you're already going to have age issues.
Funny.
I think it's society with the age issues.0 -
part of it is modern diet. in the past, the average age of puberty was much higher.Despite my wanting to bite my tongue and kick myself in the head and most likely be branded as a creeper - why then do human beings sexually mature at a young age ??? Do we blame nature or God for the rotten situation !!!!
http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/case-studies/207
a hundred and fifty years ago, periods started closer to 16.0 -
Thanks. I think I am genuinely trying to do the right thing.
Who is society to say who we can and can't love.
I mean a few years ago gay marraige was out of the question.
Now look!
For one thing, you are absolutely NOT trying to do "the right thing". You have ignored or chastised everyone who has voiced any concern or objection to this, despite having asked for people's opinions, and have only accepted those who support what you want to do in the first place. And for another thing, you have some freaking nerve, essentially stating that "if gay marriage is ok, then anything goes!" You're a real winner. A real prize for any naive, thinks-she's-grown-up-but-can't-even-drink-or-vote-yet little girl. I'm going to stop there before I really lose my temper.
Why can't she drink? last I checked 16 & 17 can have a drink just fine with their meals.0 -
If you're asking then you're already going to have age issues.
Funny.
I think it's society with the age issues.
mate... seriously it sounds like youve made your mind up... do you have anything to prove to an internet community? if you're gonna do it then do it!?0 -
If you're asking then you're already going to have age issues.
Funny.
I think it's society with the age issues.
mate... seriously it sounds like youve made your mind up... do you have anything to prove to an internet community? if you're gonna do it then do it!?
Because I feel discriminated against!!0 -
i know a girl who started her periods at 9y/o.I'm from Asia. We have a strict policy of old enough to bleed, old enough to breed
That is seriously disgusting and I am reporting it for obvious reasons.
Creep.
I'm sorry but do you live here? Are you aware of our culture? In many religions here, after the first period a girl is considered of age to be married.
Just because you don't know the old cultures or don't agree with them doesn't make them disgusting. Your ignorance makes me disgusted. Feel free to reply with where you come from and I can point out what I find disgusting about the culture YOU have
PS. Reporting YOUR post for attacking an entire culture, religion and me. Also because you're too ignorant to be on a decent support forum.
Peace
The person who replied to your comment was disgusted by how you worded it. It's nothing about difference in culture.
I worded it because this is pretty much the translation of how its said here. Like I said, after the first period, a girl is considered an adult and can get married. And here marriage is pretty much another word for breeding.
I don't think she's offended with my wording. If she is, well then I was in the wrong. However, its still ignorant of her part to assume things without knowing other cultures
in countries where childbirth in underdeveloped girls is common, so is death in childbirth and fistula. just because something is common to a culture, doesn't make it moral and decent. it is not ignorant to want girls to be allowed to develop fully before they are forced to live as adults. it is not ignorant to want to prevent the deaths of both mothers and infants. it IS ignorant to ignore medical science, the welfare of women and morality in favour of ''culture''.
Couldn't have worded it better myself.
And Taunto, before you say it, I DO know about your culture, and I am entitled to an opinion just as much as you are.
I have noticed you posting controversial posts in an attempt to get a rise out of people many times on here, and now that you have, you don't seem to like it. In all honesty, what did you expect people's reactions to be to your post? You have to understand our way of living just as much as you expect us to understand yours.0 -
If you're asking then you're already going to have age issues.
Funny.
I think it's society with the age issues.
mate... seriously it sounds like youve made your mind up... do you have anything to prove to an internet community? if you're gonna do it then do it!?
Because I feel discriminated against!!
that's probably because you are lol0 -
sometimes cultures need to change.going by your pics you're from india? i think given the current movement for fairer treatment of women in your country after a woman had her insides removed with a scaffold pole after being raped by 6 men, you might want to have a look at what values you're holding to lol...0 -
sometimes cultures need to change.going by your pics you're from india? i think given the current movement for fairer treatment of women in your country after a woman had her insides removed with a scaffold pole after being raped by 6 men, you might want to have a look at what values you're holding to lol...
agreed0 -
i'll draw my own assumptions from your evasion.Well, my people aren't ignorant enough to place each other in "classes". But thanks for bringing up that I'm a low class.
ETA: What is considered high class in your opinion. I actually wanna know know? I have lived in US for 10 years and am doing a PhD now in Asia and my immediate family members consists of Chief accountants and doctors and businessman. Whats a high class to you and low-class to you?0 -
Still an assumption that you presented as fact. He could've not been in the US since his he was 8 years old and grew up some where that didn't hold those cultural values.
Any assumption could be reasonable if you tailored the bits of information you have to fit that assumption.
Yes, with the scenario you presented that would indeed be a case of the possibility of not knowing certain values of the country in which you were raised. I wouldn't call it tailored. Just merely a logical conclusion from a sentence he wrote. Sorry if that offended you in any way, which it seems to have.Funfact did you know you can get married in the US at 16 if your family is okay with it? Not bad for such an uptight country.
Yes good sir I do, in fact, know variations of this law are present in the states. Just see how often that actually happens.
(hint: rarely)
It feels like you're trying to point out loopholes of any kind to circumvent the general US stigma of an age gap such as the one between the OP and the 17 year old girl he wants to pursue a relationship with. I did say that there are exceptions, as there are in any country, to one holding a difference in view of a vast majority. Sometimes its for the better, but in my opinion, this isn't one of those times.0 -
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I'm from Asia. We have a strict policy of old enough to bleed, old enough to breed
That is seriously disgusting and I am reporting it for obvious reasons.
Creep.
I'm sorry but do you live here? Are you aware of our culture? In many religions here, after the first period a girl is considered of age to be married.
Just because you don't know the old cultures or don't agree with them doesn't make them disgusting. Your ignorance makes me disgusted. Feel free to reply with where you come from and I can point out what I find disgusting about the culture YOU have
PS. Reporting YOUR post for attacking an entire culture, religion and me. Also because you're too ignorant to be on a decent support forum.
Peace
The person who replied to your comment was disgusted by how you worded it. It's nothing about difference in culture.
I TOTALLY AGREE !!! tHE WAY YOU ARE SAYING IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT YOU AS A PERSON !!! I do not care if you are from India or anywhere else this comment is disgusting and I find you are using the fact that you know languages and you are possibly more educated ( or not ) than some people to validate your opinions when really all you do is repeat what you have been told without even challenging any of it... It is not because something is part of a culture ( any culture ) that it makes it right !!!
Have you ever heard of infibulation ( same thing for lapidation ) ??? It is a common practice in some countries in the world... because it has been transmitted as a part of their "culture"... It is an inhuman practice justified under the name of culture or we could say habits, superstition... whatever we want to call it. You just use this " cultural belief " to satisfy and justify your own agenda !! ( I am not sure it actually can be considered being part of the indian culture or if it is only part of the beliefs of some indian people and non indian people )
Your belief belong to you, do not try to justify your belief by cowardly associating it to a culture !
If we have a brain it is to use it... I am not perfect but I always try to think by myself about the information I am presented with.. We should challenge what we are taught and what we learn to believe as fact just because... so please if your only reason to justify an older man having sex with a 13 years old is the fact that it is part of your " culture " ... well I don't have much more to say.
Last thing is, I believe there are a lot of Indian people out there that would not share this belief " We have a strict policy of old enough to bleed, old enough to breed " even if some probably would.0 -
Wow...as a parent in the US, I wld have a "fit" if a 29 y/o called my 17 y/o (heck I kind of wld hv a fit if a 29 y/o cld my 21 y/o)--thts just me though...Wow0
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including our own.
sometimes cultures need to change.going by your pics you're from india? i think given the current movement for fairer treatment of women in your country after a woman had her insides removed with a scaffold pole after being raped by 6 men, you might want to have a look at what values you're holding to lol...
agreed
the recent news in america, with more sympathy for rapist jocks than for their victim, would illustrate the point. marital rape was legal in the uk right up until 1991. i don't think there's a culture on the planet that shouldn't be striving to improve.0 -
if we were to ask the opinion of someone genuinely high class from your culture, where would they place you?
i would add that, attitudes like yours are mostly common in the lower classes of most of the cultures you speak of. the higher classes, those who are educated, tending towards marrying later.lol yeah let me ignore thousands of years of wisdom and culture in the name of science that is what? 50 years old?
Need I remind you that not too long ago, doctors caused more fatalities at the time of child birth compared to the old ladies who'd deliver? Wheres your science then?
Or how about, you keep your nose out of my culture and keep whatever fad you got going on to your own country huh?
wow, thank you for calling me low class...
Thats really classy of you
Well, my people aren't ignorant enough to place each other in "classes". But thanks for bringing up that I'm a low class.
going by your pics you're from india? i think given the current movement for fairer treatment of women in your country after a woman had her insides removed with a scaffold pole after being raped by 6 men, you might want to have a look at what values you're holding to lol...
Yeah... NOT from Indian. Once again, don't speak in matters you don't know of. kk? kk0 -
My goodness, this has been masterful.0
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sometimes cultures need to change.going by your pics you're from india? i think given the current movement for fairer treatment of women in your country after a woman had her insides removed with a scaffold pole after being raped by 6 men, you might want to have a look at what values you're holding to lol...
I agree. A culture where a women magically becomes an adult at the age of 18 needs to change...
A culture where a "kid" is old enough to kill in the name of "spreading democracy " and/or get wounded yet cannot drink till the age of 21 needs to change0 -
My goodness, this has been masterful.
Sucessfull troll is sucessfull0
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