Don't eat proteins and carbs in the same meal?
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This diet was developed in the 1920s.
I would try something a little more modern, since we know so much more now about nutrition and stuff. How about eating a moderate calorie deficit and exercising? I think that is the best approach we have now. Many studies show this works. The Hay diet was studied once in a randomized trial, and not surprisingly, no additional benefits to weight loss or body fat were found with this diet.
http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v24/n4/full/0801185a.html0 -
Dairy is considered a protein and a neutral. Here is one of the sites I visited that has a chart: http://www.colonhealthinfo.com/diet/separation_diet.htm0
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if you have 150 lbs to lose, then eating 1200 calories for a long time is probably what screwed you up. if you're 150 lbs overweight, your BMR could be quite high and by eating that low, you reset it too low and now you're stuck with this weight. the reason this diet is working (and i'm not sure you can call it "working" when you've only admittedly been doing it for a few days) is probably becuase you're allowing yourself to eat at a more reasonable deficit than you've been trying and failing for years.
come back in 6 months. if you've stuck with it that entire time and lost all your weight, great. but like most others are saying, you're making this way too hard on yourself. if you were to eat at a reasonable deficit and exercise, you'd lose weight, even if you ate carbs and protein together at every meal...and you're more likely to stick with it because it's not so damn complicated.0 -
I recently have started the Hay diet. Basically you eat protein with neutral foods but no starches/sugars and you eat starches/sugars with neutral foods but no protein. I have tried this for a couple of days and am already seeing the scale go down. I have had issues with losing weight and have been on many different diets.... Atkin's, Sugar busters, cabbage soup diet (thought I was gonna die with this one...lol), and have even lowered my calories to 1200 and still my weight didn't want to leave. I find that with the Hay diet I am more satisfied and my stomach doesn't give me grief like it would if I had meatloaf w/potatoes. For dinner last night, I enjoyed a baked potato with butter and a salad with onions, tomatoes and carrots with ranch dressing. I felt full and I felt like I cheated until I saw the scale this morning... it actually went down .2 lbs. Not to mention my midnight snack that was a bowl of cereal w/milk. I had my protein for lunch.
Protein takes 4 hours to digest and carbs take 2 hours to digest but when eaten together it can take up to 13 hours to digest. No wonder people get heartburn and upset stomachs when eating protein and starches together. I really find this an amazing way to eat and it's something that I believe I can stick with for life. Has anyone else tried this way of eating? If so, what have been your results and experiences from it?
the reason you aren't losing is because you are going onfad diets...
CONSIDER IT A LIFESTYLE CHANGE... that's step one.0 -
That is all you took away from the good advice people have given you?Dairy is considered a protein and a neutral. Here is one of the sites I visited that has a chart: http://www.colonhealthinfo.com/diet/separation_diet.htm
Good luck with this diet.0 -
This must be why I got fat. It's not that I ate all that cheese and dough in pizza, it's that I ate them at the same time.
I'll just eat the pound of cheese for breakfast, then eat the crust for lunch. No worries!0 -
You're making it really complicated. Simply and you'll have a better chance of sticking with it - FOREVER. It's not a temporary change if you want the results to last.0
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This must be why I got fat. It's not that I ate all that cheese and dough in pizza, it's that I ate them at the same time.
I'll just eat the pound of cheese for breakfast, then eat the crust for lunch. No worries!
Now this is a diet I can enjoy
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If it is working for you and you know this is a way of eating you want to continue for the rest of your life then run with it. If you are thinking it's just temporary till you lose weight then you can go back to your old habits then you have a problem.
Do what works for you for a lifetime not a temporary fix.0 -
I'm having a hard time understanding how someone with a lot of weight to lose is ignoring advice from people who are in amazing shape. I've lost a fair amount of weight and I definitely eat carbs and protein in the same meal. Moderate calorie deficit and exercise worked well.0
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Dairy is considered a protein and a neutral. Here is one of the sites I visited that has a chart: http://www.colonhealthinfo.com/diet/separation_diet.htm
Whole milk has 50% of calories from fat, 22% from protein, and 28% from carbs.
And milk is somehow "a protein"?
What wizardry is this?0 -
I'd start a diet with less voodoo nonsense like food combining theory
If it's nonsense, then why am I already seeing results? I consumed over 1800 calories yesterday. For me, 1800 calories is maintaining.
:laugh: I am wondering if you understand math at all (calories in/calories out). If you consumed OVER 1800 which would be MAINTENANCE for you then you aren't ever going to lose anything. A weight fluctuation of .2 pounds is nothing. I could fluctuate 5 lbs in one day! It means nothing. I'm sorry to burst your bubble.0 -
somebody sold you a pig in a poke....
just eat healthy
a variety of foods os good for us....
all of them if you are smart
im doing vegan right now because of a diabetes issue....
do some more research0 -
If it's nonsense, then why am I already seeing results? I consumed over 1800 calories yesterday. For me, 1800 calories is maintaining.
On the subject of results...
How about you test this diet? Eat 3000 calories of pure carbs for breakfast, then eat 3000calories of protein for dinner. Then report on the astounding amount of weight you have lost by not combining these two macronutrients.
Oh, and remember the carbs have to be eaten in the morning. As we all know, carbs at night make you fat.0 -
Dairy is considered a protein and a neutral. Here is one of the sites I visited that has a chart: http://www.colonhealthinfo.com/diet/separation_diet.htm
Whole milk has 50% of calories from fat, 22% from protein, and 28% from carbs.
And milk is somehow "a protein"?
What wizardry is this?
*giggles*0 -
I had stated originally that I JUST started this diet and I wanted opinions from those that HAVE tried it. If you haven't tried it then how do you know if it works or not? I don't need the sarcastic remarks since it doesn't really help me on my weightloss journey. This is one reason I usually stay away from the message boards. The one time I try to reach out I get nothing but negativity. Do any of you think that negativity helps a person when they are trying to get in shape and lose weight? I have stated that I have been eating my meals in moderation.... for the day my caloric intake ranged from 1200-1400 and I still hadn't been losing any weight. So it's not just about cutting back. And for those that think I don't know about water retention, believe me I do. There have been times that I have actually retained up to 4 lbs of fluid and I can see and feel it when I do. Do I know if this way of eating will work for me? No, I don't but I am going to try since eating normally in moderation doesn't seem to fly for me.
Try it for a month, come back with your success story.
How long did you eat at 1400?0 -
Dairy is considered a protein and a neutral. Here is one of the sites I visited that has a chart: http://www.colonhealthinfo.com/diet/separation_diet.htm
Whole milk has 50% of calories from fat, 22% from protein, and 28% from carbs.
And milk is somehow "a protein"?
What wizardry is this?
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I'd start a diet with less voodoo nonsense like food combining theory
If it's nonsense, then why am I already seeing results? I consumed over 1800 calories yesterday. For me, 1800 calories is maintaining.
1800 would be maintaining if you never crawled out of bed. Sounds like you were eating far too few calories before. Most people start losing weight when they bring their calories back up to a sensable number.0 -
Do you get sufficient nutrients from this diet? If so, you like the diet, are able to stick with it, and continue seeing results, there is no reason to poopoo it.0
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If it works for her then that is great. That's all that matters.0
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Protein takes 4 hours to digest and carbs take 2 hours to digest but when eaten together it can take up to 13 hours to digest. No wonder people get heartburn and upset stomachs when eating protein and starches together.
Do you have any citations for this? This is the first I've heard of this and would be curious about the scientific findings behind it.0 -
Geez people - why do you feel the need to comment when you have nothing positive to say. She wasn't asking for advice from people who are getting to their weight loss goals from other plans. She was asking about a plan tha has helped her to get the scale moving. Not everyone needs the same motiviation.
OP - ignore the snarky comments and do what motiviates you. I have heard about this same type of eating and the reasons behind it. I found it too difficult to stick with on a daily basis but if you can do it - then go for it. Anytime your weight moves and you are eating a healthy diet - I'm all for it!0 -
Last night I ate Chocolate PB and Skinny cow Ice cream then went to sleep. I woke up and weighed 7 lbs less than last night!!!
I found my new diet, I'm going to patent it, you guys can't have it. Sorry.
I'm IN!!!!!0 -
Geez people - why do you feel the need to comment when you have nothing positive to say.
So when someone posts counterproductive misinformation and nonsense you just shrug and don't care?
People can do what they want, but when they try to convince other people their nonsense is somehow reality then people should pipe up.0 -
I eat proteins and carbs together and I've lost almost 40 pounds since May of last year. Am I a special snowflake then?
Yes, you are.
However, restrictive diets such as this are full of misinformation and playing on people's fears. At the end of the day, it's calories in vs. calories out for the vast majority. Otherwise, I'd still be 45 pounds heavier. And as another poster said, my weight can go up or down close to 5 pounds in a day depending on my intake and output (if you know what I'm saying).0 -
Geez people - why do you feel the need to comment when you have nothing positive to say. She wasn't asking for advice from people who are getting to their weight loss goals from other plans. She was asking about a plan tha has helped her to get the scale moving. Not everyone needs the same motiviation.
OP - ignore the snarky comments and do what motiviates you. I have heard about this same type of eating and the reasons behind it. I found it too difficult to stick with on a daily basis but if you can do it - then go for it. Anytime your weight moves and you are eating a healthy diet - I'm all for it!
A snarky comment towards the snarky comments ( actually most of the comments are actually helpful to her)....interesting concept:huh:0 -
Geez people - why do you feel the need to comment when you have nothing positive to say. She wasn't asking for advice from people who are getting to their weight loss goals from other plans. She was asking about a plan tha has helped her to get the scale moving. Not everyone needs the same motiviation.
OP - ignore the snarky comments and do what motiviates you. I have heard about this same type of eating and the reasons behind it. I found it too difficult to stick with on a daily basis but if you can do it - then go for it. Anytime your weight moves and you are eating a healthy diet - I'm all for it!
A snarky comment towards the snarky comments ( actually most of the comments are actually helpful to her)....interesting concept:huh:
I feel so meta.0 -
Geez people - why do you feel the need to comment when you have nothing positive to say. She wasn't asking for advice from people who are getting to their weight loss goals from other plans. She was asking about a plan tha has helped her to get the scale moving. Not everyone needs the same motiviation.
There's been nothing but positive comments in this thread. Lots of good, positive and healthy advice. What do you consider positive - perpetuating dieting myths and encouraging pointless eating habits? How is that positive in any way? Reinforcing detrimental behavior is the exact opposite of being "positive".0 -
1) I am replying because I want to help.
2) This diet is 100% nonsense. Calorie and nutrient intake does matter. How you combine them on a per meal basis does not.
3) I am telling you that it is nonsense because you are placing a restriction on your eating habits and this restriction is not doing anything to help you achieve your goal. If I told you you HAD to wear red shoes and sit on a bag of potatoes every time you eat, and you also have to eat at a caloric deficit, you would lose weight. But you would lose weight because of the caloric deficit, not because of the red shoes or the bag of potatoes.
It is for this reason that I believe it is important to write this post.
Best of luck to you.0
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