You Should Study Nutrition - The Other Perspective
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no **** he didnt come up with it.. that artiicle has like 50 footnotes/references to studies done...
can anyone here actually read? srs0 -
So your offended that he described a medical condition using the description given by the doctor who named the condition?
Isnt that the same as me being mad for you using the same description for a word as the dictionary uses to describe it?0 -
no **** he didnt come up with it.. that artiicle has like 50 footnotes/references to studies done...
can anyone here actually read? srs
There's no need to get upset.
What exactly is the point you are trying to make? That a discretionary calorie allowance is probably a good idea once nutritional bases have been met? I doubt anyone really disagrees with that.0 -
no **** he didnt come up with it.. that artiicle has like 50 footnotes/references to studies done...
can anyone here actually read? srs
There's no need to get upset.
What exactly is the point you are trying to make? That a discretionary calorie allowance is probably a good idea once nutritional bases have been met? I doubt anyone really disagrees with that.
i want to see a quote of alan aragon saying what the OP said he said... that is all..
whats the source... for all i can tell its that article.. and in that article I gave it was only a quote... not to mention regardless of whetber or not he said it, its still the definition of the condition....
If I call the big dipper the big dipper will you get pissed off? Take that up with the person who spotted the constellation0 -
no **** he didnt come up with it.. that artiicle has like 50 footnotes/references to studies done...
can anyone here actually read? srs
There's no need to get upset.
What exactly is the point you are trying to make? That a discretionary calorie allowance is probably a good idea once nutritional bases have been met? I doubt anyone really disagrees with that.
i want to see a quote of alan aragon saying what the OP said he said... that is all..
Fair dues.
As you were then...0 -
Ancient Greek mathematicians had already proven that the Earth was round, not flat. Pythagoras in the sixth century B.C.E. was one of the originators of the idea. Aristotle in the fourth century B.C.E. provided the physical evidence, such as the shadow of the Earth on the moon and the curvature of the Earth known by all sailors approaching land. And by the third century B.C.E., Eratosthenes determined the Earth's shape and circumference using basic geometry. In the second century C.E., Claudius Ptolemy wrote the "Almagest," the mathematical and astronomical treatise on planetary shapes and motions, describing the spherical Earth. This text was well known throughout educated Europe in Columbus' time.I am not going by "what I was told". Documentation works for me. You show me where 'SCIENCE' proved the earth was round, because I can certainly show you where Columbus was the first to prove the theory.
http://www.livescience.com/16468-christopher-columbus-myths-flat-earth-discovered-americas.html
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The source is the recommendations from the 2005 Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee as far as I know.
I will see if I can find an appropriate link to the guidelines.
ETA: http://www.health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga2005/report/HTML/D3_DiscCalories.htm0 -
The source is the recommendations from the 2005 Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee as far as I know.
I will see if I can find an appropriate link to the guidelines.
Original poster said it was on his blog...
http://www.alanaragon.com/articles
good luck finding it0 -
no **** he didnt come up with it.. that artiicle has like 50 footnotes/references to studies done...
can anyone here actually read? srs
There's no need to get upset.
What exactly is the point you are trying to make? That a discretionary calorie allowance is probably a good idea once nutritional bases have been met? I doubt anyone really disagrees with that.
i want to see a quote of alan aragon saying what the OP said he said... that is all..
whats the source... for all i can tell its that article.. and in that article I gave it was only a quote... not to mention regardless of whetber or not he said it, its still the definition of the condition....
If I call the big dipper the big dipper will you get pissed off? Take that up with the person who spotted the constellation
http://healthland.time.com/2012/04/24/healthy-foods-that-really-arent-nutritionists-weigh-in/slide/nothing/
http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/the-dirt-on-clean-eating/0 -
Heres your quote.. Alan Aragon said ”It reminds me of the counterproductive dietary perfectionism I’ve seen among many athletes, trainers and coaches. One of the fundamental pitfalls of dichotomizing foods as good or bad, or clean or dirty, is that it can form a destructive relationship with food,”
You can use that because he actually said it, unlike what you qyuoted him as saying.... which he never said in either of the links provided..
what does this prove? Not much.. Besides your lack of credibility and thae fact that you twist articles to fit your platform and views.. Which makes you biased...
Im done here.... youre just trolling since page one...0 -
Heres your quote.. Alan Aragon said ”It reminds me of the counterproductive dietary perfectionism I’ve seen among many athletes, trainers and coaches. One of the fundamental pitfalls of dichotomizing foods as good or bad, or clean or dirty, is that it can form a destructive relationship with food,”
You can use that because he actually said it, unlike what you qyuoted him as saying.... which he never said in either of the links provided..
what does this prove? Not much.. Besides your lack of credibility and thae fact that you twist articles to fit your platform and views.. Which makes you biased...
Im done here.... youre just trolling since page one...
no **** i'm biased! so are you! we all are! we all think our viewpoint is the right one, otherwise we wouldn't hold that viewpoint... right? i'm just offering my side of the story - you offered yours. no harm done.
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The source is the recommendations from the 2005 Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee as far as I know.
I will see if I can find an appropriate link to the guidelines.
Original poster said it was on his blog...
http://www.alanaragon.com/articles
good luck finding it
Oh, I see.
That is clearly wrong. Having said that the way some people throw around the term "orthorexia" on here is ludicrous - especially as it has no confirmed diagnostic application.0 -
Heres your quote.. Alan Aragon said ”It reminds me of the counterproductive dietary perfectionism I’ve seen among many athletes, trainers and coaches. One of the fundamental pitfalls of dichotomizing foods as good or bad, or clean or dirty, is that it can form a destructive relationship with food,”
You can use that because he actually said it, unlike what you qyuoted him as saying.... which he never said in either of the links provided..
what does this prove? Not much.. Besides your lack of credibility and thae fact that you twist articles to fit your platform and views.. Which makes you biased...
Im done here.... youre just trolling since page one...
no **** i'm biased! so are you! we all are! we all think our viewpoint is the right one, otherwise we wouldn't hold that viewpoint... right? i'm just offering my side of the story - you offered yours. no harm done.
ill take that as conceding the fact that you're misquoting people.... I accept your apology0 -
The source is the recommendations from the 2005 Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee as far as I know.
I will see if I can find an appropriate link to the guidelines.
Original poster said it was on his blog...
http://www.alanaragon.com/articles
good luck finding it
Oh, I see.
That is clearly wrong. Having said that the way some people throw around the term "orthorexia" on here is ludicrous - especially as it has no confirmed diagnostic application.
no confirmed diagnostic application?? please explain
I honestly wonder if you even understand what orthorexia is. If you dont believe it exists, I don't know how.0 -
I would stay away from Gary Null. I went to one of his lectures and he was so off base on something he said about gluten that I almost got up and walked out. He has misinformation and isn't grounded in the science. (I have a doctorate in Food Science and have read a lot of the hard data out there and know when misinformation is being spread).
adding a link that might shed light on Mr Null:
http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/null.html0 -
The irony here is actually hilarious.
Orthorexia has no confirmed diagnostic basis - it is essentially a hypothesis. The OP has recommended that perhaps alternative viewpoints which do not yet have a confirmed scientific verification should be considered. People who claim to be scientifically minded then do what exactly the OP suggest by insinuating people who seem particularly concerned with "clean" eating are othorexic.
Hahahaha. I love these forums.
Everyone has cognitive bias. Everyone0 -
no confirmed diagnostic application?? please explain
I honestly wonder if you even understand what orthorexia is. If you dont believe it exists, I don't know how.
Explain it to me scientifically then with reference to a medical journal or publication which sanctions a diagnosis of orthorexia.
Clearly I have no idea what it may be.0 -
Heres your quote.. Alan Aragon said ”It reminds me of the counterproductive dietary perfectionism I’ve seen among many athletes, trainers and coaches. One of the fundamental pitfalls of dichotomizing foods as good or bad, or clean or dirty, is that it can form a destructive relationship with food,”
You can use that because he actually said it, unlike what you qyuoted him as saying.... which he never said in either of the links provided..
what does this prove? Not much.. Besides your lack of credibility and thae fact that you twist articles to fit your platform and views.. Which makes you biased...
Im done here.... youre just trolling since page one...
no **** i'm biased! so are you! we all are! we all think our viewpoint is the right one, otherwise we wouldn't hold that viewpoint... right? i'm just offering my side of the story - you offered yours. no harm done.
ill take that as conceding the fact that you're misquoting people.... I accept your apology
the semantics here are ridiculous.
if you ASKED Aragon straight up "what does orthorexia mean?" he would use that quote or a variation on it. that's what he believes it to mean.There's a term for taking the obsession with righteous/perfectionistic/"clean" eating to extremes, and it's called orthorexia.
http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?p=436207#post436207
should I have used that quote instead? it means the same exact thing... yaaaaay semantics!0 -
The irony here is actually hilarious.
Orthorexia has no confirmed diagnostic basis - it is essentially a hypothesis. The OP has recommended that perhaps alternative viewpoints which do not yet have a confirmed scientific verification should be considered. People who claim to be scientifically minded then do what exactly the OP suggest by insinuating people who seem particularly concerned with "clean" eating are othorexic.
Hahahaha. I love these forums.
Everyone has cognitive bias. Everyone
thats not orthorexia at all and just cuz morons think it is doesnt mean that you can angue from that standpoint....
people who refuse to eat any fat are orthorexic... you need fat to function properly... making fat a taboo creates a deficiency that is very bad for your long term health...
that is orthorexia....
there are plenty of deficiencies that can AND HAVE developed in many individuals...
You could eat "clean" food (hate that ****ing word) every day all day and not be orthorexic.... many people do...
here enlies the problem with those individuals.... the second you say you eat "clean" you insinuate taht there is a dirty counterpart... if you just said you always eat healthily you wouldnt have the word "orthorexic" flying around so much.... its not such a negative connotation to use the word unhealthy in contrast with the word dirty....
if you're a normal health person, who is scared of bacon, there is something wrong with you... same with just about any food so long as you dont have some medical condition..... this is mild orthorexia.. it may not be enough to be damaging, but its not sound reasoning0 -
The irony here is actually hilarious.
Orthorexia has no confirmed diagnostic basis - it is essentially a hypothesis. The OP has recommended that perhaps alternative viewpoints which do not yet have a confirmed scientific verification should be considered. People who claim to be scientifically minded then do what exactly the OP suggest by insinuating people who seem particularly concerned with "clean" eating are othorexic.
Hahahaha. I love these forums.
Everyone has cognitive bias. Everyone
thats not orthorexia at all and just cuz morons think it is doesnt mean that you can angue from that standpoint....
people who refuse to eat any fat are orthorexic... you need fat to function properly... making fat a taboo creates a deficiency that is very bad for your long term health...
that is orthorexia....
there are plenty of deficiencies that can AND HAVE developed in many individuals...
You could eat "clean" food (hate that ****ing word) every day all day and not be orthorexic.... many people do...
it's amazing to me that you can so clearly define a mental condition that has never even been defined by modern psychology...
you - sir - deserve a nobel prize methinks.0 -
Orthorexic is defined by Alan Aragon as “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food.”
This is a very dumbed down definition and doesn't represent what orthorexia truly is. Most of the time people who are orthorexic will continue to eliminate food groups they deem as unhealthy. This obsession can lead to malnutrition when critical nutrients may be eliminated from the diet.
When you don't include the entire definition, then you make it sound as if he is hating on people who like nutritious foods. That's not the case. There is a line that can be crossed when stressing over "clean" foods becomes unhealthy.
that was from his website.
I have been called orthorexic. that alone should tell you that the already fake word is easily corrupted and misused, as my nutrition is outstanding.
I know someone who is orthorexic. It began when he started researching the paleo diet and transformed into an extreme eating disorder where he doesn't eat any fat or carbs, at all. It's clearly detrimental because he has physically degenerated quite a bit. He looks ill all the time and has no energy, but can't be persuaded that carbs and fat are good for you in moderation.
While orthorexia may be a new, unproven theory, I have no doubt that it exists.0 -
The irony here is actually hilarious.
Orthorexia has no confirmed diagnostic basis - it is essentially a hypothesis. The OP has recommended that perhaps alternative viewpoints which do not yet have a confirmed scientific verification should be considered. People who claim to be scientifically minded then do what exactly the OP suggest by insinuating people who seem particularly concerned with "clean" eating are othorexic.
Hahahaha. I love these forums.
Everyone has cognitive bias. Everyone
thats not orthorexia at all and just cuz morons think it is doesnt mean that you can angue from that standpoint....
people who refuse to eat any fat are orthorexic... you need fat to function properly... making fat a taboo creates a deficiency that is very bad for your long term health...
that is orthorexia....
there are plenty of deficiencies that can AND HAVE developed in many individuals...
You could eat "clean" food (hate that ****ing word) every day all day and not be orthorexic.... many people do...
it's amazing to me that you can so clearly define a mental condition that has never even been defined by modern psychology...
you - sir - deserve a nobel prize methinks.
Eh, they hand those out to anyone these days. Al Gore got one for a slide show...0 -
Orthorexic is defined by Alan Aragon as “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food.”
This is a very dumbed down definition and doesn't represent what orthorexia truly is. Most of the time people who are orthorexic will continue to eliminate food groups they deem as unhealthy. This obsession can lead to malnutrition when critical nutrients may be eliminated from the diet.
When you don't include the entire definition, then you make it sound as if he is hating on people who like nutritious foods. That's not the case. There is a line that can be crossed when stressing over "clean" foods becomes unhealthy.
that was from his website.
I have been called orthorexic. that alone should tell you that the already fake word is easily corrupted and misused, as my nutrition is outstanding.
I know someone who is orthorexic. It began when he started researching the paleo diet and transformed into an extreme eating disorder where he doesn't eat any fat or carbs, at all. It's clearly detrimental because he has physically degenerated quite a bit. He looks ill all the time and has no energy, but can't be persuaded that carbs and fat are good for you in moderation.
While orthorexia may be a new, unproven theory, I have no doubt that it exists.
and while holistic medicine and nutrition may be unproven, i have no doubt IT exists.
point is, both sides are not so very different as they'd like to believe.0 -
OP why are you all butt hurt about people calling you orthorexic.
I see two options
A. You are orthorexic and you refuse tyo admit it
or
B. You think the world revolves around you and your self esteem is low and you take these remarks as personal attacks..
Please tell me option C
You either are or you arent
If I call you gay are you going to argue that Homosexuals dont exist? Im giving you the benefit of teh doubt here even tought your a holistic, yoga doin, yankee :P0 -
OP why are you all butt hurt about people calling you orthorexic.
I see two options
A. You are orthorexic and you refuse tyo admit it
or
B. You think the world revolves around you and your self esteem is low and you take these remarks as personal attacks..
Please tell me option C
You either are or you arent
If I call you gay are you going to argue that Homosexuals dont exist?
this post, sir, was a mistake.0 -
OP why are you all butt hurt about people calling you orthorexic.
I see two options
A. You are orthorexic and you refuse tyo admit it
or
B. You think the world revolves around you and your self esteem is low and you take these remarks as personal attacks..
Please tell me option C
You either are or you arent
If I call you gay are you going to argue that Homosexuals dont exist?
this post, sir, was a mistake.
no.. it was a valid question..... espescially my analogy at the end
Why do you care if people call you something you're not?0 -
chirp chirp....
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You ever hear someone call someone a fascist or a socialist completely out of context? I call these people morons.... If you're going to be concerned about what morons call you, who dont even understand what they're saying, you've got something coming.0 -
chirp chirp....
You're obviously a bird. Don't try and deny it. That's what birds always try and do...0 -
if you're a normal health person, who is scared of bacon, there is something wrong with you... same with just about any food so long as you dont have some medical condition..... this is mild orthorexia.. it may not be enough to be damaging, but its not sound reasoning
Aaaaaaand this is where you go off the rails.
Orthorexia is an obsessive disorder. It describes an inordinate preoccupation with controlling your diet. Having rules about what you eat or deciding to never eat a certain food doesn't even come close to being obsessive. That is just making decisions. That's all that is.
Obsessive disorders are when people take normal behaviors to extremes. There are people with OCD who spend 8 hours a day cleaning a 1000sqft living space. That is a disorder. Do you think that because I mop I have a mild form of OCD? Hardly. If I mop twice as often as you, you would probably want to diagnose me as such. But you'd be completely wrong. I don't have a mental problem. I just make different decisions from you.
Orthorexia, like anorexia, like any mental health problem, is the purview of mental health professionals (read: NOT YOU).0 -
chirp chirp....
You're obviously a bird. Don't try and deny it. That's what birds always try and do...
im a parrot... i just repeat stuff.... once i met a group of parrots with telephones.... it was wierd because the last parrot had told a different story than the first parrot... go figure
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