You Should Study Nutrition - The Other Perspective

ninerbuff

Actually it was science that helped to prove it was round. And if you look at the actual history of the saying, only a few thought the Earth was actually flat.
I believe where failure in nutrition happens is that extreme views try to convince others that their argument is absolutely correct. That goes with just about everything in life. I can say with confidence that the majority of the people on here and in the world are probably somewhere in the middle, and I'd rather appeal to them then try to debate with an extreme view since they'll more than likely NEVER change their stance.

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Actually, it wasn't science which first discovered the world was round vs flat. It was Christopher Columbus who discovered it and spread it to the world. One theory, proven correct. Science came later and confirmed what Christopher already proved. As you can see science is sometimes, "behind the times". I'm waiting for them to get caught up on proving and exposing how dangerous all the processed food is that everyone so frequently consumes.

Yeah, it was science. You're of the belief that it was Columbus because that's what you've been told.

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ninerbuff

Depends on how your grandma made it.:laugh: Mine made it with MSG and salt in high amounts. I think where you're off on perception is that IIFYM people eat nothing but crap, when in truth 80% of what is eaten is usually whole foods with vegetables and fruits. 20% of it is the processed crap, but even then I would bet that the processed is of the "lesser" evils.

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Chicken stew 50 to 60 yrs ago was not made with MSG. It was made by butchering a chicken you probably raised yourself and which was not fed growth hormones. Veggies were from the garden. And the broth came from adding vinegar and bones to the stew. The vinegar drew out the calcium from the bones and the chicken meat also added to create the broth. The bones were then removed and you had stew. Now days, ppl add bullion cubes to make broth. It's time to get back to the basics.

Cancer cases have risen every year for the past 30 years. There is a reason for that.

You do realize that I said MINE? My grandmother? Not everyone else's?

And according to a 2009 report from cancer.org, the cancer rates have been going down since 1990.
Where are you getting your information from?

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CoachReddy

I am sorry "coach" but I believe you are still in the same mind frame as you were selling you know what product....no need for me to sell it since there are so many on here already doing it. You are just trying to get more clients. Stop. It's against the MFP rules to sell anything on here.

Also I saw you say you sorted out health issues by doing certain things. If it was true then you would have zero issue explaining what was wrong with you and what you did to fix it right? Sorry but you still sound like a salesman.

Haha what? What, pray tell, am I "selling" here? Other than to look at things from another perspective? And I've gone into extreme depth in other threads about my personal experiences. But if you'd like, I'd be happy to rehash - or at least copy paste.

For the record, the first chunk of the OP was just copied verbatim from astronomicals' thread. So if it sounds like I'm selling something, they're actually not even my words. :flowerforyou:

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Do you paste this at the bottom of all your posts?

Annoying isn't it?

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pinkperfume

Actually, it wasn't science which first discovered the world was round vs flat. It was Christopher Columbus who discovered it and spread it to the world. One theory, proven correct. Science came later and confirmed what Christopher already proved. As you can see science is sometimes, "behind the times". I'm waiting for them to get caught up on proving and exposing how dangerous all the processed food is that everyone so frequently consumes.

Actually this is a commonly repeated myth that Columbus discovered the world was not flat. In fact the ancient Greeks, among them Pythagoras and Aristotle postulated this and it is also thought ancient Indian astronomers also knew this around the same time. By the Middle Ages when Columbus appeared on the scene, most people accepted the world was round.

Correct, it was thought the world was round by some of the more educated, but not proven until Christopher Columbus set sail. It was then that it was PROVEN the world was not flat. With this I stand behind my original comment of, "it wasn't science who discovered the world was round, it was Columbus.

mmapags

Depends on how your grandma made it.:laugh: Mine made it with MSG and salt in high amounts. I think where you're off on perception is that IIFYM people eat nothing but crap, when in truth 80% of what is eaten is usually whole foods with vegetables and fruits. 20% of it is the processed crap, but even then I would bet that the processed is of the "lesser" evils.

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Chicken stew 50 to 60 yrs ago was not made with MSG. It was made by butchering a chicken you probably raised yourself and which was not fed growth hormones. Veggies were from the garden. And the broth came from adding vinegar and bones to the stew. The vinegar drew out the calcium from the bones and the chicken meat also added to create the broth. The bones were then removed and you had stew. Now days, ppl add bullion cubes to make broth. It's time to get back to the basics.

Cancer cases have risen every year for the past 30 years. There is a reason for that.

You do realize that I said MINE? My grandmother? Not everyone else's?

And according to a 2009 report from cancer.org, the cancer rates have been going down since 1990.
Where are you getting your information from?

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To say nothing of the fact that 60 years ago most of the population of America did not have chickens running around in their back yard and were growing their own vegetables. That is a fantasy. I am old enough to have lived then.

pinkperfume

Depends on how your grandma made it.:laugh: Mine made it with MSG and salt in high amounts. I think where you're off on perception is that IIFYM people eat nothing but crap, when in truth 80% of what is eaten is usually whole foods with vegetables and fruits. 20% of it is the processed crap, but even then I would bet that the processed is of the "lesser" evils.

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Chicken stew 50 to 60 yrs ago was not made with MSG. It was made by butchering a chicken you probably raised yourself and which was not fed growth hormones. Veggies were from the garden. And the broth came from adding vinegar and bones to the stew. The vinegar drew out the calcium from the bones and the chicken meat also added to create the broth. The bones were then removed and you had stew. Now days, ppl add bullion cubes to make broth. It's time to get back to the basics.

Cancer cases have risen every year for the past 30 years. There is a reason for that.

You do realize that I said MINE? My grandmother? Not everyone else's?

And according to a 2009 report from cancer.org, the cancer rates have been going down since 1990.
Where are you getting your information from?

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My information came from the National Cancer Institute.

pinkperfume

Depends on how your grandma made it.:laugh: Mine made it with MSG and salt in high amounts. I think where you're off on perception is that IIFYM people eat nothing but crap, when in truth 80% of what is eaten is usually whole foods with vegetables and fruits. 20% of it is the processed crap, but even then I would bet that the processed is of the "lesser" evils.

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Chicken stew 50 to 60 yrs ago was not made with MSG. It was made by butchering a chicken you probably raised yourself and which was not fed growth hormones. Veggies were from the garden. And the broth came from adding vinegar and bones to the stew. The vinegar drew out the calcium from the bones and the chicken meat also added to create the broth. The bones were then removed and you had stew. Now days, ppl add bullion cubes to make broth. It's time to get back to the basics.

Cancer cases have risen every year for the past 30 years. There is a reason for that.

You do realize that I said MINE? My grandmother? Not everyone else's?

And according to a 2009 report from cancer.org, the cancer rates have been going down since 1990.
Where are you getting your information from?

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To say nothing of the fact that 60 years ago most of the population of America did not have chickens running around in their back yard and were growing their own vegetables. That is a fantasy. I am old enough to have lived then.

It may depend on where you lived in America. My family in Nebraska most certainly got most all their food from their farms . This included chickens and vegetables in gardens and butchering and milking cows.

pinkperfume

Actually it was science that helped to prove it was round. And if you look at the actual history of the saying, only a few thought the Earth was actually flat.
I believe where failure in nutrition happens is that extreme views try to convince others that their argument is absolutely correct. That goes with just about everything in life. I can say with confidence that the majority of the people on here and in the world are probably somewhere in the middle, and I'd rather appeal to them then try to debate with an extreme view since they'll more than likely NEVER change their stance.

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Actually, it wasn't science which first discovered the world was round vs flat. It was Christopher Columbus who discovered it and spread it to the world. One theory, proven correct. Science came later and confirmed what Christopher already proved. As you can see science is sometimes, "behind the times". I'm waiting for them to get caught up on proving and exposing how dangerous all the processed food is that everyone so frequently consumes.

Yeah, it was science. You're of the belief that it was Columbus because that's what you've been told.

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I am not going by "what I was told". Documentation works for me. You show me where 'SCIENCE' proved the earth was round, because I can certainly show you where Columbus was the first to prove the theory.

LaurenAOK

Orthorexic is defined by Alan Aragon as “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food.”

This is a very dumbed down definition and doesn't represent what orthorexia truly is. Most of the time people who are orthorexic will continue to eliminate food groups they deem as unhealthy. This obsession can lead to malnutrition when critical nutrients may be eliminated from the diet.

When you don't include the entire definition, then you make it sound as if he is hating on people who like nutritious foods. That's not the case. There is a line that can be crossed when stressing over "clean" foods becomes unhealthy.

^This. In your next paragraph you talked about how "food shouldn't consume your every waking thought but there's nothing wrong with eating healthy". Orthorexia doesn't just mean eating healthy. It means food IS consuming your every thought, and you're so terrified of eating a food that you don't deem "healthy" or "safe" that your body can actually suffer terribly. No one is calling someone who just likes to eat healthy orthorexic. C'mon.

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CoachReddy

Orthorexic is defined by Alan Aragon as “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food.”

This is a very dumbed down definition and doesn't represent what orthorexia truly is. Most of the time people who are orthorexic will continue to eliminate food groups they deem as unhealthy. This obsession can lead to malnutrition when critical nutrients may be eliminated from the diet.

When you don't include the entire definition, then you make it sound as if he is hating on people who like nutritious foods. That's not the case. There is a line that can be crossed when stressing over "clean" foods becomes unhealthy.

^This. In your next paragraph you talked about how "food shouldn't consume your every waking thought but there's nothing wrong with eating healthy". Orthorexia doesn't just mean eating healthy. It means food IS consuming your every thought, and you're so terrified of eating a food that you don't deem "healthy" or "safe" that your body can actually suffer terribly. No one is calling someone who just likes to eat healthy orthorexic. C'mon.

you obviously haven't seen some of the threads i've participated in... i'm called orthorexic quite often - as are many people who concern themselves with eating a specific way - ie: paleo, vegan, etc

LaurenAOK

Orthorexic is defined by Alan Aragon as “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food.”

This is a very dumbed down definition and doesn't represent what orthorexia truly is. Most of the time people who are orthorexic will continue to eliminate food groups they deem as unhealthy. This obsession can lead to malnutrition when critical nutrients may be eliminated from the diet.

When you don't include the entire definition, then you make it sound as if he is hating on people who like nutritious foods. That's not the case. There is a line that can be crossed when stressing over "clean" foods becomes unhealthy.

^This. In your next paragraph you talked about how "food shouldn't consume your every waking thought but there's nothing wrong with eating healthy". Orthorexia doesn't just mean eating healthy. It means food IS consuming your every thought, and you're so terrified of eating a food that you don't deem "healthy" or "safe" that your body can actually suffer terribly. No one is calling someone who just likes to eat healthy orthorexic. C'mon.

you obviously haven't seen some of the threads i've participated in... i'm called orthorexic quite often - as are many people who concern themselves with eating a specific way - ie: paleo, vegan, etc

I'm sorry, I should have phrased that differently. What I meant is that people who like to eat healthy most likely AREN'T orthorexic because that's not what the term means. I don't doubt that people have used the term wrong on these message boards, or in real life. Ignorance is everywhere.

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VoodooLuLu

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this ....

CoachReddy

Orthorexic is defined by Alan Aragon as “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food.”

This is a very dumbed down definition and doesn't represent what orthorexia truly is. Most of the time people who are orthorexic will continue to eliminate food groups they deem as unhealthy. This obsession can lead to malnutrition when critical nutrients may be eliminated from the diet.

When you don't include the entire definition, then you make it sound as if he is hating on people who like nutritious foods. That's not the case. There is a line that can be crossed when stressing over "clean" foods becomes unhealthy.

^This. In your next paragraph you talked about how "food shouldn't consume your every waking thought but there's nothing wrong with eating healthy". Orthorexia doesn't just mean eating healthy. It means food IS consuming your every thought, and you're so terrified of eating a food that you don't deem "healthy" or "safe" that your body can actually suffer terribly. No one is calling someone who just likes to eat healthy orthorexic. C'mon.

you obviously haven't seen some of the threads i've participated in... i'm called orthorexic quite often - as are many people who concern themselves with eating a specific way - ie: paleo, vegan, etc

I'm sorry, I should have phrased that differently. What I meant is that people who like to eat healthy most likely AREN'T orthorexic because that's not what the term means. I don't doubt that people have used the term wrong on these message boards, or in real life. Ignorance is everywhere.

gotcha. very true.

ninerbuff

I think you misunderstood. Your study says "DEATH rates" from cancer has decreased. My original post said "CANCER CASES" have increased. Death rates from cancer are irrelevant to this topic.

And if it isn't scary enough that I say cancer cases in the U.S. are on the rise, I'l add a number of cancer cases from the U.S. last year alone (2012). 1,638,910 reported cases in one year in the U.S. This info is from the American Cancer Societies Website.

What's more, the National Cancer Institute's website says obesity increases cancer.

I think the debate here is whether the toxins in foods cause cancer in the body and thus why we should eliminate processed foods and eat clean/whole foods. Decreasing obesity would be one proof. To look at how the pesticides etc in foods harms our bodies is up for debate. I prefer not to risk it. Something that kills bugs, isn't something I want to eat.

This is a list from the National Cancer Institute which shows the things in foods, deodorants, etc which may be linked to cancer. It says in here that eating toxic foods may be linked to cancer. This is why I prefer to eat as clean as possible and ensure the products I use (deodorant) etc are from pure REAL products.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk

Working in a Wellness Center that is accredited by the American College of Surgeons' Commission on Cancer care, I can emphatically say that cancer rate cases have gone down since 1990. This is reported by cancer.org in a 2009 report.

http://www.cancer.org/research/cancerfactsfigures/cancerfactsfigures/cancer-facts-figures-2009

From cancer.gov

Between 2000 and 2009, overall cancer incidence rates decreased by 0.6 percent per year among men, were stable among women, and increased by 0.6 percent per year among children (ages 0 to 14 years). During that time period, incidence rates among men decreased for five of the 17 most common cancers (prostate, lung, colon and rectum, stomach, and larynx) and increased for six others (kidney, pancreas, liver, thyroid, melanoma of the skin, and myeloma). Among women, incidence rates decreased for seven of the 18 most common cancers (lung, colon and rectum, bladder, cervix, oral cavity and pharynx, ovary, and stomach), and increased for seven others (thyroid, melanoma of the skin, kidney, pancreas, leukemia, liver, and uterus). Incidence rates were stable for the other top 17 cancers, including breast cancer in women and non-Hodgkin lymphoma in men and women.

“While this report shows that we are making progress in the fight against cancer on some fronts, we still have much work to do, particularly when it comes to preventing cancer,” said CDC Director Thomas R. Frieden, M.D. “For example, vaccinating against HPV can prevent cervical cancer, but, tragically, far too many girls are growing into adulthood vulnerable to cervical cancer because they are not vaccinated.”

It's important that we don't just correlate information from one source with another. While obesity and cancer are very much linked to each other, processed foods correlate with both, however if processed foods were the actual cause for cancer, then world wide it should also be the case (which it isn't).

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astronomicals

In your origional post you said alan aragon said, "Orthorexia is an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food". You went on to say, numerous times over the last 5 pages, that 10-20% of your intake can be "dirty" foods...


Heres the problem..


"In 1997, a general physician named Steven Bratman coined the term orthorexia nervosa [21], which he defines as, “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food."

Furthermore, that whole 10-20% thing comes from the same fracking article.

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/the-dirt-on-clean-eating/

All written by Alan Aragon!

You dissected his article and twisted facts and acted as if you got your ideas from somewhere else.

I think you owe the man an apology.

ETA:You said "I have been called orthorexic. that alone should tell you that the already fake word is easily corrupted and misused, as my nutrition is outstanding".... Every orthorexic would say that.. I'm not saying you're orthorexic, but, that defense is worthless.




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ninerbuff

Depends on how your grandma made it.:laugh: Mine made it with MSG and salt in high amounts. I think where you're off on perception is that IIFYM people eat nothing but crap, when in truth 80% of what is eaten is usually whole foods with vegetables and fruits. 20% of it is the processed crap, but even then I would bet that the processed is of the "lesser" evils.

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Chicken stew 50 to 60 yrs ago was not made with MSG. It was made by butchering a chicken you probably raised yourself and which was not fed growth hormones. Veggies were from the garden. And the broth came from adding vinegar and bones to the stew. The vinegar drew out the calcium from the bones and the chicken meat also added to create the broth. The bones were then removed and you had stew. Now days, ppl add bullion cubes to make broth. It's time to get back to the basics.

Cancer cases have risen every year for the past 30 years. There is a reason for that.

You do realize that I said MINE? My grandmother? Not everyone else's?

And according to a 2009 report from cancer.org, the cancer rates have been going down since 1990.
Where are you getting your information from?

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My information came from the National Cancer Institute.

Same information from there is linked to cancer statistics overall. It also shows a decline in cancer rates since 2009.

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CoachReddy

In your origional post you said alan aragon said, "Orthorexia is an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food". You went on to say, numerous times over the last 5 pages, that 10-20% of your intake can be "dirty" foods...


Heres the problem..


"In 1997, a general physician named Steven Bratman coined the term orthorexia nervosa [21], which he defines as, “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food."

Furthermore, that whole 10-20% thing comes from the same fracking article.

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/the-dirt-on-clean-eating/

All written by Alan Aragon!

You dissected his article and twisted facts and acted as if you got your ideas from somewhere else.

I think you owe the man an apology.

ETA:You said "I have been called orthorexic. that alone should tell you that the already fake word is easily corrupted and misused, as my nutrition is outstanding".... Every orthorexic would say that.. I'm not saying you're orthorexic, but, that defense is worthless.




waiting for response to this one..... resposting it since you ignored it....

I've said a couple times that I agree with Aragon on a few basic points, but that I don't like the way he goes about treating anyone who disagrees with him or has a different perspective like ****.

mmapags

Depends on how your grandma made it.:laugh: Mine made it with MSG and salt in high amounts. I think where you're off on perception is that IIFYM people eat nothing but crap, when in truth 80% of what is eaten is usually whole foods with vegetables and fruits. 20% of it is the processed crap, but even then I would bet that the processed is of the "lesser" evils.

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Chicken stew 50 to 60 yrs ago was not made with MSG. It was made by butchering a chicken you probably raised yourself and which was not fed growth hormones. Veggies were from the garden. And the broth came from adding vinegar and bones to the stew. The vinegar drew out the calcium from the bones and the chicken meat also added to create the broth. The bones were then removed and you had stew. Now days, ppl add bullion cubes to make broth. It's time to get back to the basics.

Cancer cases have risen every year for the past 30 years. There is a reason for that.

You do realize that I said MINE? My grandmother? Not everyone else's?

And according to a 2009 report from cancer.org, the cancer rates have been going down since 1990.
Where are you getting your information from?

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To say nothing of the fact that 60 years ago most of the population of America did not have chickens running around in their back yard and were growing their own vegetables. That is a fantasy. I am old enough to have lived then.

It may depend on where you lived in America. My family in Nebraska most certainly got most all their food from their farms . This included chickens and vegetables in gardens and butchering and milking cows.

Your family's experience was not the norm. Percentage of the population wise, very small 60 years ago.

ninerbuff

It may depend on where you lived in America. My family in Nebraska most certainly got most all their food from their farms . This included chickens and vegetables in gardens and butchering and milking cows.

So because of that your chicken soup was made better than my grandmothers? Isn't that more about subjectivity? :laugh: :laugh:

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astronomicals

In your origional post you said alan aragon said, "Orthorexia is an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food". You went on to say, numerous times over the last 5 pages, that 10-20% of your intake can be "dirty" foods...


Heres the problem..


"In 1997, a general physician named Steven Bratman coined the term orthorexia nervosa [21], which he defines as, “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food."

Furthermore, that whole 10-20% thing comes from the same fracking article.

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/the-dirt-on-clean-eating/

All written by Alan Aragon!

You dissected his article and twisted facts and acted as if you got your ideas from somewhere else.

I think you owe the man an apology.

ETA:You said "I have been called orthorexic. that alone should tell you that the already fake word is easily corrupted and misused, as my nutrition is outstanding".... Every orthorexic would say that.. I'm not saying you're orthorexic, but, that defense is worthless.




waiting for response to this one..... resposting it since you ignored it....

I've said a couple times that I agree with Aragon on a few basic points, but that I don't like the way he goes about treating anyone who disagrees with him or has a different perspective like ****.

ummm.. you quoted him as saying something he never said.... and that was the thing you were upset with.... this makes no sense at all... you had one quote in your original post, and it was inaccurate..... your credibility is basically zero

nokanjaijo

Actually, it wasn't science which first discovered the world was round vs flat. It was Christopher Columbus who discovered it and spread it to the world. One theory, proven correct. Science came later and confirmed what Christopher already proved. As you can see science is sometimes, "behind the times". I'm waiting for them to get caught up on proving and exposing how dangerous all the processed food is that everyone so frequently consumes.

Actually this is a commonly repeated myth that Columbus discovered the world was not flat. In fact the ancient Greeks, among them Pythagoras and Aristotle postulated this and it is also thought ancient Indian astronomers also knew this around the same time. By the Middle Ages when Columbus appeared on the scene, most people accepted the world was round.

Correct, it was thought the world was round by some of the more educated, but not proven until Christopher Columbus set sail. It was then that it was PROVEN the world was not flat. With this I stand behind my original comment of, "it wasn't science who discovered the world was round, it was Columbus.

I'm sorry but this isn't true. It was well known that the earth was round. There was already ample evidence of this. The earth casts a circular shadow on the moon and ships appear sail first on the horizon.

The only reason so few people trusted Colubus to sail around the earth was because everybody believed he was completely wrong about its circumference.

And he really, really, really was. He got that so wrong, he would have killed everybody on his trip had there not been another continent out there.

Columbus did not even confirm the inaccurate postulation that the earth is spherical. Magellan did that.

CoachReddy

It may depend on where you lived in America. My family in Nebraska most certainly got most all their food from their farms . This included chickens and vegetables in gardens and butchering and milking cows.

So because of that your chicken soup was made better than my grandmothers? Isn't that more about subjectivity? :laugh: :laugh:

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i think the point is that regardless how it was made by grandma back in 1950, more likely than not there were far fewer ingredients than are now in a can of campbell's soup.

fun tangent though!

CoachReddy

In your origional post you said alan aragon said, "Orthorexia is an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food". You went on to say, numerous times over the last 5 pages, that 10-20% of your intake can be "dirty" foods...


Heres the problem..


"In 1997, a general physician named Steven Bratman coined the term orthorexia nervosa [21], which he defines as, “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food."

Furthermore, that whole 10-20% thing comes from the same fracking article.

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/the-dirt-on-clean-eating/

All written by Alan Aragon!

You dissected his article and twisted facts and acted as if you got your ideas from somewhere else.

I think you owe the man an apology.

ETA:You said "I have been called orthorexic. that alone should tell you that the already fake word is easily corrupted and misused, as my nutrition is outstanding".... Every orthorexic would say that.. I'm not saying you're orthorexic, but, that defense is worthless.




waiting for response to this one..... resposting it since you ignored it....

I've said a couple times that I agree with Aragon on a few basic points, but that I don't like the way he goes about treating anyone who disagrees with him or has a different perspective like ****.

ummm.. you quoted him as saying something he never said.... and that was the thing you were upset with.... this makes no sense at all... you had one quote in your original post, and it was inaccurate..... your credibility is basically zero

haha what? i took that quote from an Aragon blog. I never said he coined the phrase. I never said he invented it. I simply said that that's how he described it

and i really don't care what you think about my credibility. i'm sorry your bitter about me ripping off your thread...

myofibril

Furthermore, that whole 10-20% thing comes from the same fracking article.

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/the-dirt-on-clean-eating/

All written by Alan Aragon!

Don't be daft.

The concept of a discretionary calorie allowance is a well established principle of public policy re: health. Alan Aragon didn't come up with it. It was used in the USDA food guidelines as far back as 2005.

astronomicals

please quote him describing it as such... thank you... source...