You Should Study Nutrition - The Other Perspective

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  • 37434958
    37434958 Posts: 457 Member
    Love it! Thanks for sharing!
  • wareagle8706
    wareagle8706 Posts: 1,090 Member
    When I take on clients I make them do ridiculous amounts of research. Its not enough for me to just summarize things to them. wink:

    I hope that if you take on "clients" you aren't giving them nutrition advice seeing as how your profile says you're only a BeachBody Coach. This does not qualify you to be giving anyone nutrition advice. Even personal trainer's with only a PT certification shouldn't be giving nutrition advice.

    I'll absolutely respond to this stuff because it's a legitimate point. What IS my credibility?

    - a little over a year ago I decided to get my health back on track because I was dealing with a health issue that resulted from not taking good care of myself
    - I decided to start doing P90X again after having done it for 6 months a couple years ago.
    - I signed up as a Coach to get discounts
    - I started doing a little reading and suddenly got completely engrossed in everything nutrition. Being a BB coach to me became more than discounts, it became a way to help people while I couldn't audition/work in the field I'm trained in due to the health issue (I'm an actor)
    - I started posting on the beachbody forums and people began asking me to coach them because they appreciated my insights and liked my perspective, and felt that I knew what I was talking about. This is the way I developed a client base. I did NOT do it the way they tell you to in MLM "school". I didn't make big lists and go on big cold-calling binges. That's NOT my style and I have NO interest in manipulating or scamming people. I never have. This was just an outlet for me to help other people.
    - I eventually developed a base of more than 100 clients whom I worked with to achieve varying levels of success. I've had clients lose over 100 pounds who are now good friends.
    - Throughout all this time my love for nutrition - specifically clean eating and holistic nutrition - deepened because the doctors I was seeing for my issue couldn't help me. They kept throwing up their arms saying "well... maybe it's this, maybe it's that".

    Since science and medicine couldn't help me, I realized that I would have to take control of my own health and my own life, if things were going to get better. So I did. By following natural recommendations I found through my research, I've managed to cure my condition when doctors couldn't do it. That showed me that there is VALUE in looking at all alternatives. Value in looking at things that other people will call ridiculous.

    I truly believe that you can heal your body from whatever ails you with food. I still believe doctors have value. I still believe science has value. But my personal experiences, along with the results I've seen in my clients after passing on all that information, have formed my viewpoints. I am now planning on officially getting my PT certification in the coming months along with getting a nutrition certification because I realize that people want to see letters after your name. But just know that that's all they are. Just letters. You can possess the knowledge whether you've got them or not.

    If this isn't good enough for you, put me on ignore. If you think I may have something of value to contribute, then don't.

    None of the things you stated are impressive. At all. You are NOT a PT. You have NO certifications of ANY kind. You getting your "health on track" does NOT qualify you to give anyone else advice. Period. Those people can sue you and you will be held liable, and i'm sure since you are not certified and do not work for a facility that you do NOT have general liability insurance to cover yourself in the event that does happen. I'm just saying... you should be careful the advice you give out and the "help" you provide.
  • fitniknik
    fitniknik Posts: 713 Member
    bump
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    When I take on clients I make them do ridiculous amounts of research. Its not enough for me to just summarize things to them. wink:

    I hope that if you take on "clients" you aren't giving them nutrition advice seeing as how your profile says you're only a BeachBody Coach. This does not qualify you to be giving anyone nutrition advice. Even personal trainer's with only a PT certification shouldn't be giving nutrition advice.

    I'll absolutely respond to this stuff because it's a legitimate point. What IS my credibility?

    - a little over a year ago I decided to get my health back on track because I was dealing with a health issue that resulted from not taking good care of myself
    - I decided to start doing P90X again after having done it for 6 months a couple years ago.
    - I signed up as a Coach to get discounts
    - I started doing a little reading and suddenly got completely engrossed in everything nutrition. Being a BB coach to me became more than discounts, it became a way to help people while I couldn't audition/work in the field I'm trained in due to the health issue (I'm an actor)
    - I started posting on the beachbody forums and people began asking me to coach them because they appreciated my insights and liked my perspective, and felt that I knew what I was talking about. This is the way I developed a client base. I did NOT do it the way they tell you to in MLM "school". I didn't make big lists and go on big cold-calling binges. That's NOT my style and I have NO interest in manipulating or scamming people. I never have. This was just an outlet for me to help other people.
    - I eventually developed a base of more than 100 clients whom I worked with to achieve varying levels of success. I've had clients lose over 100 pounds who are now good friends.
    - Throughout all this time my love for nutrition - specifically clean eating and holistic nutrition - deepened because the doctors I was seeing for my issue couldn't help me. They kept throwing up their arms saying "well... maybe it's this, maybe it's that".

    Since science and medicine couldn't help me, I realized that I would have to take control of my own health and my own life, if things were going to get better. So I did. By following natural recommendations I found through my research, I've managed to cure my condition when doctors couldn't do it. That showed me that there is VALUE in looking at all alternatives. Value in looking at things that other people will call ridiculous.

    I truly believe that you can heal your body from whatever ails you with food. I still believe doctors have value. I still believe science has value. But my personal experiences, along with the results I've seen in my clients after passing on all that information, have formed my viewpoints. I am now planning on officially getting my PT certification in the coming months along with getting a nutrition certification because I realize that people want to see letters after your name. But just know that that's all they are. Just letters. You can possess the knowledge whether you've got them or not.

    If this isn't good enough for you, put me on ignore. If you think I may have something of value to contribute, then don't.

    None of the things you stated are impressive. At all. You are NOT a PT. You have NO certifications of ANY kind. You getting your "health on track" does NOT qualify you to give anyone else advice. Period. Those people can sue you and you will be held liable, and i'm sure since you are not certified and do not work for a facility that you do NOT have general liability insurance to cover yourself in the event that does happen. I'm just saying... you should be careful the advice you give out and the "help" you provide.

    I can't get sued over the internet. Also, your response is exactly my point...

    did you know that Tony Horton was never a certified trainer when he was training celebrities in Hollywood? I don't even know if he is now. the obsession with certification is a relatively new thing. but i recognize the realities of the world, thus why I'm studying for them.

    like I said, if you don't like me or what I've got to say or think i've got no credibility, by all means use the ignore button.
  • sweetzoejane
    sweetzoejane Posts: 153 Member
    I get it. You believe eating primal/paleo is the path to great health. That's fine, but there are numerous ways to be "healthy." I could show you tons of research about the benefits of eating whole grains, in particular, the benefits of consuming fiber mostly from whole grains. There are also plenty (really, plenty) of folks on the vegan spectrum who are just as healthy and eat a ton of carbs and fake meat products.

    Also, I am finding it hard to figure out how you can not only tout the benefits of eating exclusively primal/paleo, and yet feel good about selling Shakeology to folks at the same time.
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    I get it. You believe eating primal/paleo is the path to great health. That's fine, but there are numerous ways to be "healthy." I could show you tons of research about the benefits of eating whole grains, in particular, the benefits of consuming fiber mostly from whole grains. There are also plenty (really, plenty) of folks on the vegan spectrum who are just as healthy and eat a ton of carbs and fake meat products.

    Also, I am finding it hard to figure out how you can not only tout the benefits of eating exclusively primal/paleo, and yet feel good about selling Shakeology to folks at the same time.

    I don't sell shakeology, and otherwise i agree with you.
  • mfpcopine
    mfpcopine Posts: 3,093 Member
    ...even professionals are leading you in the wrong direction. Learning about proper nutrition will save you a lot of wasted time and you'll get to your goals faster.

    When I take on clients I make them do ridiculous amounts of research. Its not enough for me to just summarize things to them. People always end up trying to tweak things when they don't understand the mechanics of proper nutrition. It never works out as well as it could have. I always tell them that if they spent two less hours training a week and used those two hours to read they would inevitably reach their goals faster in the long run. I believe that when I say it.

    There are people, trainers, professionals, who will want to tell you that by focusing on what kinds of foods you eat, you are displaying "orthorexic" tendencies. Orthorexic is defined by Alan Aragon as “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food.”

    Don't listen. Obviously food shouldn't consume your every waking thought, and you should enjoy your life and your friends, but a care and a concern for the things you put in your mouth can serve you incredibly well on your journey. Do you want to have a stronger, healthier body? Do you want to avoid disease? Do you want to recover faster, require less sleep, function at a more optimal level? Do you want to be bounding up stairs at 60, 70 years old? Do you want to be doing yoga when you're 80 like I do?

    Then here are some great resources to help get you started!

    http://www.westonaprice.org/

    http://chriskresser.com/

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/

    http://wrightnewsletter.com/about/

    http://www.ted.com/talks/william_li.html

    http://www.eattodefeatcancer.org/

    http://www.drweil.com/

    http://drkevinlau.blogspot.com/


    If you read all that you'd know more than ~99% of people everywhere. You can learn it in a month easily. Spend all your time learning. But if you want to ask questions, that's not a bad thing either. :wink:

    How do people without formal education or certification have "clients"?

    It's important to educate oneself, but laypeople will never have the breadth or depth of professionals.
  • ldrosophila
    ldrosophila Posts: 7,512 Member
    In some states the only ones licensed to give out nutritional advice are Dietitians. Technically even personal trainers should not be giving out nutritional advice unless they have training to meet licensure standards. I'm nut sure about the standards in NY, but a cursory glance looks like there is a license requirement.

    I'd say get a degree in Dietetics or exercise physiology and go from there, or move to IL that is allowing even unlicensed individuals to make recommendations on tube feeds and IV feeding, horror of horrors! :noway:
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    This is a good video from Layne Norton discussing the extremes...I actually think you may not be that far from agreeing with what he is saying (or maybe not):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34mViApQiyE&playnext=1&list=PLEEE569A5A86E2E19&feature=results_video

    Just remember, most people are not actually at the extreme end of either spectrum. Someone who says they 'eat clean' will usually have some treats every now and again, such as yourself, but still try to fit their macros. The majority of the IIFYM peeps will try to eat generally nutritious foods with a discretionary amount of foods that are less nutrient dense. It's sort of the same thing, just different labels and slightly different points in the continuum.
  • mfpcopine
    mfpcopine Posts: 3,093 Member
    By using the word "client" you're holding yourself out to have expertise, education, training and qualifications that you do not possess. Most, if not all, states have strict rules about this kind of thing to protect the public.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,049 Member
    Nutrition, smutrition. Where's the bacon?:laugh:

    Nutrition will be subjective from person to person. What I find is fine, is crap to another. If one is happy, fit and healthy eating what they want, why the **** does it matter?

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
  • judydelo1
    judydelo1 Posts: 281 Member
    I'd appreciate it if someone would please explain the acronym IIFYM. I have no idea what it means. :flowerforyou:
  • mfpcopine
    mfpcopine Posts: 3,093 Member
    In some states the only ones licensed to give out nutritional advice are Dietitians. Technically even personal trainers should not be giving out nutritional advice unless they have training to meet licensure standards. I'm nut sure about the standards in NY, but a cursory glance looks like there is a license requirement.

    I'd say get a degree in Dietetics or exercise physiology and go from there, or move to IL that is allowing even unlicensed individuals to make recommendations on tube feeds and IV feeding, horror of horrors! :noway:

    :flowerforyou:
    And if one were sued in a jurisdiction that had such laws, for misrepresentating one's professional qualifications, etc. posts in which one referred to one's "clients" might be used as evidence of such a practice.
  • SanteMulberry
    SanteMulberry Posts: 3,202 Member
    Orthorexic is defined by Alan Aragon as “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food.”

    This is a very dumbed down definition and doesn't represent what orthorexia truly is. Most of the time people who are orthorexic will continue to eliminate food groups they deem as unhealthy. This obsession can lead to malnutrition when critical nutrients may be eliminated from the diet.

    When you don't include the entire definition, then you make it sound as if he is hating on people who like nutritious foods. That's not the case. There is a line that can be crossed when stressing over "clean" foods becomes unhealthy.

    that was from his website.

    I have been called orthorexic. that alone should tell you that the already fake word is easily corrupted and misused, as my nutrition is outstanding.

    I actually wouldn't call it a fake word. The obsession for some people can be real. Dismissing this would be irresponsible. The problem, I see, is that continuing to stress "clean" eating on people leads to more stress. Especially, since there is not a clear cut definition of "clean". Also, it over complicates eating for people who already live chaotic lives and have no desires to be fitness models.

    It's just a matter of priorities. I think most people understand what is meant by "clean eating" and only those who don't give a rip for their future health would ignore good principles of nutrition. Not long ago, there was a young body builder who says that he "lives on" junk food. To all appearances, he is a healthy young man, but he indicated that he is already struggling with hypertension but he says, "...that is what blood pressure medicine is for..." I'd say that is pretty irresponsible---especially when many MFP members have spoken about how stopping the junk food has enabled them to get off of high blood pressure meds. I'm one of them. AND my blood pressure went down long before I lost any large amount of weight. Just the stopping of sugar seemed to gradually lower my blood pressure until I could dispense with the medication.

    There is no part of my eating that is overly complicated. There are some "foods" that I avoid because they are not health-building foods. I eat everything else. Why would anyone object to this?
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,458 Member
    I'd appreciate it if someone would please explain the acronym IIFYM. I have no idea what it means. :flowerforyou:

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=IIFYM
  • KatrinaWilke
    KatrinaWilke Posts: 372 Member
    I would add:

    http://www.gnolls.org/

    To that list.

    Personally I consider multiple sources and viewpoints before deciding what to do. I then test it out in real world conditions. I throw out what doesn't work and keep what does.

    There is a false dichotomy going on in many of these discussions. There is a huge area of convergence in the middle between many approaches - both conventional and alternative - that always seems to get overlooked.

    I know what you mean. I am one of those in the middle. When I see these posts, I am afraid to post a comment because I don't want to pick a side!

    that's exactly what sucks about these forums. the crazy thing is that I, myself, am in the middle. I think there is SO much value - SO MUCH - to nutritional science. Hell I'm considering getting certifications in nutrition. But I also happen to believe that you can treat most illnesses and conditions naturally, and I think you can prevent many illnesses/conditions with diet. I come off as extreme on these boards because it's that second half of my beliefs that come under fire time and time again, so that's all I'm ever defending.

    looking at things from multiple perspectives is ONLY helpful. It absolutely can't hurt.

    What really bothers me is when people try to label their diet....I do not eat clean, I do not eat healthy, I am not a vegetarian, I am not a meat eater......I eat some food just because it taste good and I eat other food because it taste good and for the nutrients it provides. Most of these arguments on the forums are because people try to label themselves and fit into a certain group of eaters (ie: ice cream/pop tarts vs clean eaters). This is getting SO old people!
  • CoachDreesTraining
    CoachDreesTraining Posts: 223 Member
    Having degrees in biology and exercise science, I feel I have a better grasps on nutrition and it's affects on the body than 95% of the MFP community. Even with this, I do not feel comfortable posting on the subject. If the smartest, most educated, minds in the word cannot agree on what's 'right and wrong,' who are we to give advice to the masses?

    These arguments turn into "Who's Better at Google." People can argue all day if dairy and sugar are toxic to consume, but I don't see many people that cut these things out of their diets say, "I feel like **** since I stopped drinking milk." Does the opposite happen? Absolutely. Are they reducing inflammation, or just ingesting less calories? Does it matter?

    America's health is terrible. What's causing this?

    - Sugar?
    - Artificial Sweeteners?
    - Dairy?
    - Sedentary Lifestyles?
    - Pollution?
    - Over Eating?

    No one really knows, but does it hurt to eliminate 1-2 items off that list? Why insult someone for trying to live a healthier life? Is eating only organic going to hurt anyone? No. Is eating pop-tarts and ice cream everyday? Maybe, maybe not.

    I personally don't buy into all the 'dangers' of processed foods, but I know I look and feel better when I eat food I cook, and not something from a can. What works for some, doesn't works for others.

    Whenever someone wants to bring 'science' into the argument, just remember the Earth used to be flat...
  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
    I'd appreciate it if someone would please explain the acronym IIFYM. I have no idea what it means. :flowerforyou:

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=IIFYM

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  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    Having degrees in biology and exercise science, I feel I have a better grasps on nutrition and it's affects on the body than 95% of the MFP community. Even with this, I do not feel comfortable posting on the subject. If the smartest, most educated, minds in the word cannot agree on what's 'right and wrong,' who are we to give advice to the masses?

    These arguments turn into "Who's Better at Google." People can argue all day if dairy and sugar are toxic to consume, but I don't see many people that cut these things out of their diets say, "I feel like **** since I stopped drinking milk." Does the opposite happen? Absolutely. Are they reducing inflammation, or just ingesting less calories? Does it matter?

    America's health is terrible. What's causing this?

    - Sugar?
    - Artificial Sweeteners?
    - Dairy?
    - Sedentary Lifestyles?
    - Pollution?
    - Over Eating?

    No one really knows, but does it hurt to eliminate 1-2 items off that list? Why insult someone for trying to live a healthier life? Is eating only organic going to hurt anyone? No. Is eating pop-tarts and ice cream everyday? Maybe, maybe not.

    I personally don't buy into all the 'dangers' of processed foods, but I know I look and feel better when I eat food I cook, and not something from a can. What works for some, doesn't works for others.

    Whenever someone wants to bring 'science' into the argument, just remember the Earth used to be flat...
    Well said.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,049 Member
    Whenever someone wants to bring 'science' into the argument, just remember the Earth used to be flat...
    Which is why it's called science. It's reevaluates and WILL correct information. Can't say that about lots of people's opinions. Don't dismiss science because it may actually disagree with what one may believe.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
  • SanteMulberry
    SanteMulberry Posts: 3,202 Member
    "...Whenever someone wants to bring 'science' into the argument, just remember the Earth used to be flat..."

    :laugh: Yes--well said---"science" can "prove" almost anything these days. In terms of healthy weight loss, I think we all know the general parameters. Try to eat pure food and avoid food that has been heavily processed. Under calorie-restriction, it is wise to "make every calorie count" and that means lots of vegetables because they are low in calories and high in nutrition (plant enzymes, micro-nutrients, antioxidants,etc.) adequate, high-quality protein, and complex carbohydrates to fuel exercise---and plenty of water. Not really rocket science. And it does not deserve the negative labeling of "orthoexia". Those people have an illness and I completely reject the idea that I have an illness. I have not felt so well for a number of years. Improving my health has been a VERY positive experience.
  • SanteMulberry
    SanteMulberry Posts: 3,202 Member
    CoachReddy thanks for all the links to peruse!!

    I think it's a sign of the times when people that strive to eat clean and healthy foods are called a term equating them with having a disorder.

    If someone is restricting their calories to the point of starvation, now that's a completely different story.

    And yes there are zelots in every aspect of life. Here is a quote by Dr. Mercola which I think has a lot of merit:

    "Unfortunately, it’s not always just about the nutrition. All too often raw food converts (just as some advocates of other radical dietary protocols) possess a near frenzied religious fervor, attaching spiritual, puritanical, even moralistic significance to the virtues of their "superior" 100 percent raw, vegan or vegetable-food diet. Coined "Orthorexia Nervosa" in Health Food Junkies by Dr. Steven Bratman and David Knight, this phenomena has been personally observed within numerous healthy food communities. Unfortunately, it ends up being dysfunctional and unsustainable, reflecting obsessive need to control and to be right, with a bottom line that essentially makes the enjoyment of eating into a guilty vice.

    It’s highly counterproductive, dissociative and unhealthy (especially for the greater conscious community of people who are waking up about the truth in food and agriculture) for various food and dietary philosophies to be in a constant game of superiority and one-upmanship. Even worse is exclusionism--continuing to maintain a "WE HAVE THE ONLY WAY" type of attitude. This is just as bad as religious wars."

    I agree with Dr. Mercola. However, to lump anyone that is actively seeking to eat a healthy diet into this category is ridiculous. We may all disagree on exactly what constitutes a "healthy diet". And as people become more aware and educated on the topic their ideals may change. I think at least being on this path is so important, no matter where in the journey one is. Our bodies are sacred. You realize that once good health has vanished. So wanting to being aware of how to best feed ourselves is just common sense and should be looked at as being NORMAL and not dysfunctional. For me, it isn't just about calories in calories out. It's about nutrients, micronutrients, phytonutrients, minerals, beneficial micro-organisms . . . and it's also about not gumming up the works with toxins . . . and it's about not clogging up my arteries with harmful fats . . . and it's about not stressing my adrenals with stimulants . . . and it's about not messing up my pancreas with simple sugars and a high fat diet . . . and it's about getting enough sun to stimulate vitamin D production (or supplementation) . . . and it's about getting enough daylight through my pupil to stimulate my endocrine system, etc. I LOVE LIFE and I ENJOY learning about my body and treating it with respect. IT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD.

    I wonder if the term orthorexia was actually created by the processed/fast food giants to degrade anyone that doesn't eat their crap, lol.

    ^^^THIS^^^
  • CoachDreesTraining
    CoachDreesTraining Posts: 223 Member
    Whenever someone wants to bring 'science' into the argument, just remember the Earth used to be flat...
    Which is why it's called science. It's reevaluates and WILL correct information. Can't say that about lots of people's opinions. Don't dismiss science because it may actually disagree with what one may believe.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition


    I have no horse in this race. My only point is that if no one challenged science we'd still be living on a flat planet. There is good points on both sides of the nutrition argument. If there wasn't, there would be only one side.
  • shortchange1
    shortchange1 Posts: 146 Member
    I prefer my research from medical and other peer reviewed journals. AJCN, Pub-med, EJCN, Science and others are great resources.

    But thanks anyway.


    Totally agree with this statement!
  • MSeel1984
    MSeel1984 Posts: 2,297 Member
    Amen...other than exercise enthusiast...how are you qualified to make these types of statements?

    Also...orthorexia is a recognized eating disorder. Just FYI...you know...from one professional to a....non-professional.
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    Amen...other than exercise enthusiast...how are you qualified to make these types of statements?

    Also...orthorexia is a recognized eating disorder. Just FYI...you know...from one professional to a....non-professional.

    if anyone wanted proof that "professionals" can be just as wrong as we peons
    Orthorexia nervosa (also known as orthorexia) is not mentioned in the DSM[a], but was coined by Steven Bratman[1] to characterize people who develop an obsession with avoiding foods perceived to be unhealthy.[2][3]

    DSM stands for Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Amen...other than exercise enthusiast...how are you qualified to make these types of statements?

    Also...orthorexia is a recognized eating disorder. Just FYI...you know...from one professional to a....non-professional.

    if anyone wanted proof that "professionals" can be just as wrong as we peons
    Orthorexia nervosa (also known as orthorexia) is not mentioned in the DSM[a], but was coined by Steven Bratman[1] to characterize people who develop an obsession with avoiding foods perceived to be unhealthy.[2][3]

    DSM stands for Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders

    By your own standards DSM IV and DSM IV-TR are outdated...
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    Amen...other than exercise enthusiast...how are you qualified to make these types of statements?

    Also...orthorexia is a recognized eating disorder. Just FYI...you know...from one professional to a....non-professional.

    if anyone wanted proof that "professionals" can be just as wrong as we peons
    Orthorexia nervosa (also known as orthorexia) is not mentioned in the DSM[a], but was coined by Steven Bratman[1] to characterize people who develop an obsession with avoiding foods perceived to be unhealthy.[2][3]

    DSM stands for Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders

    By your own standards DSM IV and DSM IV-TR are outdated...

    my own standards are irrelevant when we're talking about a poster's claim that orthorexia is a "recognized" eating disorder... which.. well... it isn't. a fact is a fact.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Amen...other than exercise enthusiast...how are you qualified to make these types of statements?

    Also...orthorexia is a recognized eating disorder. Just FYI...you know...from one professional to a....non-professional.

    if anyone wanted proof that "professionals" can be just as wrong as we peons
    Orthorexia nervosa (also known as orthorexia) is not mentioned in the DSM[a], but was coined by Steven Bratman[1] to characterize people who develop an obsession with avoiding foods perceived to be unhealthy.[2][3]

    DSM stands for Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders

    By your own standards DSM IV and DSM IV-TR are outdated...

    my own standards are irrelevant when we're talking about a poster's claim that orthorexia is a "recognized" eating disorder... which.. well... it isn't. a fact is a fact.

    You've already demonstrated this before, if something is "outdated" according to you and opposes your viewpoint, it is immediately dismissed and not relevant, but if it does support your view that it is ok as evidence
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    Amen...other than exercise enthusiast...how are you qualified to make these types of statements?

    Also...orthorexia is a recognized eating disorder. Just FYI...you know...from one professional to a....non-professional.

    if anyone wanted proof that "professionals" can be just as wrong as we peons
    Orthorexia nervosa (also known as orthorexia) is not mentioned in the DSM[a], but was coined by Steven Bratman[1] to characterize people who develop an obsession with avoiding foods perceived to be unhealthy.[2][3]

    DSM stands for Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders

    By your own standards DSM IV and DSM IV-TR are outdated...

    my own standards are irrelevant when we're talking about a poster's claim that orthorexia is a "recognized" eating disorder... which.. well... it isn't. a fact is a fact.

    You've already demonstrated this before, if something is "outdated" according to you and opposes your viewpoint, it is immediately dismissed and not relevant, but if it does support your view that it is ok as evidence

    keep grasping at straws. :flowerforyou:

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