You Should Study Nutrition - The Other Perspective

nokanjaijo

THis is what you wrote: "Take homeopathy for example, it has no scientific basis, and there has been no controlled study which shows it is effective, indeed there is a $1 million prize available for anyone who can prove it works in controlled conditions. Strangely not a single homeopath has taken up the challenge. " I showed you one study that proved homeopathy works in controlled conditions. I want my 1 million.

He was inaccurate to say there has never been a controlled experiment with such results. But you don't get the million dollars.

A study done by homeopathy specialists on a whopping total of 24 mice and published in Homeopathy magazine isn't proof.

Randi's organization has to agree on the protocol before hand and be present for the experiment.

That million dollars IS up for grabs and nobody has claimed it.

sweetzoejane

Oh ok, I see now. You want everyone to do as you have done and offer their own viewpoints that are not supported by science, actual research, or fundamentals of nutrition, and ask that everyone believe without question.

I would rather not participate.

april1445

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vicrandom

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CoachReddy

Oh ok, I see now. You want everyone to do as you have done and offer their own viewpoints that are not supported by science, actual research, or fundamentals of nutrition, and ask that everyone believe without question.

I would rather not participate.

*sigh* ok.

Acg67

haroon_awan

A BeachBody coach does not "take on clients" when he is an unqualified and inexperienced personal trainer who merely invites them to join a website in order to get free advise. I presume you are in this category.

A personal trainer with the qualifications and experience who charges individuals for training, nutrition and supplementation advise is someone who takes on clients.

wareagle8706

When I take on clients I make them do ridiculous amounts of research. Its not enough for me to just summarize things to them. wink:

I hope that if you take on "clients" you aren't giving them nutrition advice seeing as how your profile says you're only a BeachBody Coach. This does not qualify you to be giving anyone nutrition advice. Even personal trainer's with only a PT certification shouldn't be giving nutrition advice.

redladywitch

OP-Since I've been on MFP (5 months), I've noticed that you are defensive a lot, argue a lot, make snarky remarks a lot, pick at quite a few comments, etc. Are you alright? I mean, it doesn't add to your credibility in my eyes. My mother used to say that you can attract more bees with honey than with vinegar. Now I realize that you may have a sharp toned response to my comments. If that's what you feel is best, then go for it. I'm just trying to help you out.

CoachReddy

When I take on clients I make them do ridiculous amounts of research. Its not enough for me to just summarize things to them. wink:

I hope that if you take on "clients" you aren't giving them nutrition advice seeing as how your profile says you're only a BeachBody Coach. This does not qualify you to be giving anyone nutrition advice. Even personal trainer's with only a PT certification shouldn't be giving nutrition advice.

I'll absolutely respond to this stuff because it's a legitimate point. What IS my credibility?

- a little over a year ago I decided to get my health back on track because I was dealing with a health issue that resulted from not taking good care of myself
- I decided to start doing P90X again after having done it for 6 months a couple years ago.
- I signed up as a Coach to get discounts
- I started doing a little reading and suddenly got completely engrossed in everything nutrition. Being a BB coach to me became more than discounts, it became a way to help people while I couldn't audition/work in the field I'm trained in due to the health issue (I'm an actor)
- I started posting on the beachbody forums and people began asking me to coach them because they appreciated my insights and liked my perspective, and felt that I knew what I was talking about. This is the way I developed a client base. I did NOT do it the way they tell you to in MLM "school". I didn't make big lists and go on big cold-calling binges. That's NOT my style and I have NO interest in manipulating or scamming people. I never have. This was just an outlet for me to help other people.
- I eventually developed a base of more than 100 clients whom I worked with to achieve varying levels of success. I've had clients lose over 100 pounds who are now good friends.
- Throughout all this time my love for nutrition - specifically clean eating and holistic nutrition - deepened because the doctors I was seeing for my issue couldn't help me. They kept throwing up their arms saying "well... maybe it's this, maybe it's that".

Since science and medicine couldn't help me, I realized that I would have to take control of my own health and my own life, if things were going to get better. So I did. By following natural recommendations I found through my research, I've managed to cure my condition when doctors couldn't do it. That showed me that there is VALUE in looking at all alternatives. Value in looking at things that other people will call ridiculous.

I truly believe that you can heal your body from whatever ails you with food. I still believe doctors have value. I still believe science has value. But my personal experiences, along with the results I've seen in my clients after passing on all that information, have formed my viewpoints. I am now planning on officially getting my PT certification in the coming months along with getting a nutrition certification because I realize that people want to see letters after your name. But just know that that's all they are. Just letters. You can possess the knowledge whether you've got them or not.

If this isn't good enough for you, put me on ignore. If you think I may have something of value to contribute, then don't.

37434958

Love it! Thanks for sharing!

wareagle8706

When I take on clients I make them do ridiculous amounts of research. Its not enough for me to just summarize things to them. wink:

I hope that if you take on "clients" you aren't giving them nutrition advice seeing as how your profile says you're only a BeachBody Coach. This does not qualify you to be giving anyone nutrition advice. Even personal trainer's with only a PT certification shouldn't be giving nutrition advice.

I'll absolutely respond to this stuff because it's a legitimate point. What IS my credibility?

- a little over a year ago I decided to get my health back on track because I was dealing with a health issue that resulted from not taking good care of myself
- I decided to start doing P90X again after having done it for 6 months a couple years ago.
- I signed up as a Coach to get discounts
- I started doing a little reading and suddenly got completely engrossed in everything nutrition. Being a BB coach to me became more than discounts, it became a way to help people while I couldn't audition/work in the field I'm trained in due to the health issue (I'm an actor)
- I started posting on the beachbody forums and people began asking me to coach them because they appreciated my insights and liked my perspective, and felt that I knew what I was talking about. This is the way I developed a client base. I did NOT do it the way they tell you to in MLM "school". I didn't make big lists and go on big cold-calling binges. That's NOT my style and I have NO interest in manipulating or scamming people. I never have. This was just an outlet for me to help other people.
- I eventually developed a base of more than 100 clients whom I worked with to achieve varying levels of success. I've had clients lose over 100 pounds who are now good friends.
- Throughout all this time my love for nutrition - specifically clean eating and holistic nutrition - deepened because the doctors I was seeing for my issue couldn't help me. They kept throwing up their arms saying "well... maybe it's this, maybe it's that".

Since science and medicine couldn't help me, I realized that I would have to take control of my own health and my own life, if things were going to get better. So I did. By following natural recommendations I found through my research, I've managed to cure my condition when doctors couldn't do it. That showed me that there is VALUE in looking at all alternatives. Value in looking at things that other people will call ridiculous.

I truly believe that you can heal your body from whatever ails you with food. I still believe doctors have value. I still believe science has value. But my personal experiences, along with the results I've seen in my clients after passing on all that information, have formed my viewpoints. I am now planning on officially getting my PT certification in the coming months along with getting a nutrition certification because I realize that people want to see letters after your name. But just know that that's all they are. Just letters. You can possess the knowledge whether you've got them or not.

If this isn't good enough for you, put me on ignore. If you think I may have something of value to contribute, then don't.

None of the things you stated are impressive. At all. You are NOT a PT. You have NO certifications of ANY kind. You getting your "health on track" does NOT qualify you to give anyone else advice. Period. Those people can sue you and you will be held liable, and i'm sure since you are not certified and do not work for a facility that you do NOT have general liability insurance to cover yourself in the event that does happen. I'm just saying... you should be careful the advice you give out and the "help" you provide.

fitniknik

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CoachReddy

When I take on clients I make them do ridiculous amounts of research. Its not enough for me to just summarize things to them. wink:

I hope that if you take on "clients" you aren't giving them nutrition advice seeing as how your profile says you're only a BeachBody Coach. This does not qualify you to be giving anyone nutrition advice. Even personal trainer's with only a PT certification shouldn't be giving nutrition advice.

I'll absolutely respond to this stuff because it's a legitimate point. What IS my credibility?

- a little over a year ago I decided to get my health back on track because I was dealing with a health issue that resulted from not taking good care of myself
- I decided to start doing P90X again after having done it for 6 months a couple years ago.
- I signed up as a Coach to get discounts
- I started doing a little reading and suddenly got completely engrossed in everything nutrition. Being a BB coach to me became more than discounts, it became a way to help people while I couldn't audition/work in the field I'm trained in due to the health issue (I'm an actor)
- I started posting on the beachbody forums and people began asking me to coach them because they appreciated my insights and liked my perspective, and felt that I knew what I was talking about. This is the way I developed a client base. I did NOT do it the way they tell you to in MLM "school". I didn't make big lists and go on big cold-calling binges. That's NOT my style and I have NO interest in manipulating or scamming people. I never have. This was just an outlet for me to help other people.
- I eventually developed a base of more than 100 clients whom I worked with to achieve varying levels of success. I've had clients lose over 100 pounds who are now good friends.
- Throughout all this time my love for nutrition - specifically clean eating and holistic nutrition - deepened because the doctors I was seeing for my issue couldn't help me. They kept throwing up their arms saying "well... maybe it's this, maybe it's that".

Since science and medicine couldn't help me, I realized that I would have to take control of my own health and my own life, if things were going to get better. So I did. By following natural recommendations I found through my research, I've managed to cure my condition when doctors couldn't do it. That showed me that there is VALUE in looking at all alternatives. Value in looking at things that other people will call ridiculous.

I truly believe that you can heal your body from whatever ails you with food. I still believe doctors have value. I still believe science has value. But my personal experiences, along with the results I've seen in my clients after passing on all that information, have formed my viewpoints. I am now planning on officially getting my PT certification in the coming months along with getting a nutrition certification because I realize that people want to see letters after your name. But just know that that's all they are. Just letters. You can possess the knowledge whether you've got them or not.

If this isn't good enough for you, put me on ignore. If you think I may have something of value to contribute, then don't.

None of the things you stated are impressive. At all. You are NOT a PT. You have NO certifications of ANY kind. You getting your "health on track" does NOT qualify you to give anyone else advice. Period. Those people can sue you and you will be held liable, and i'm sure since you are not certified and do not work for a facility that you do NOT have general liability insurance to cover yourself in the event that does happen. I'm just saying... you should be careful the advice you give out and the "help" you provide.

I can't get sued over the internet. Also, your response is exactly my point...

did you know that Tony Horton was never a certified trainer when he was training celebrities in Hollywood? I don't even know if he is now. the obsession with certification is a relatively new thing. but i recognize the realities of the world, thus why I'm studying for them.

like I said, if you don't like me or what I've got to say or think i've got no credibility, by all means use the ignore button.

sweetzoejane

I get it. You believe eating primal/paleo is the path to great health. That's fine, but there are numerous ways to be "healthy." I could show you tons of research about the benefits of eating whole grains, in particular, the benefits of consuming fiber mostly from whole grains. There are also plenty (really, plenty) of folks on the vegan spectrum who are just as healthy and eat a ton of carbs and fake meat products.

Also, I am finding it hard to figure out how you can not only tout the benefits of eating exclusively primal/paleo, and yet feel good about selling Shakeology to folks at the same time.

CoachReddy

I get it. You believe eating primal/paleo is the path to great health. That's fine, but there are numerous ways to be "healthy." I could show you tons of research about the benefits of eating whole grains, in particular, the benefits of consuming fiber mostly from whole grains. There are also plenty (really, plenty) of folks on the vegan spectrum who are just as healthy and eat a ton of carbs and fake meat products.

Also, I am finding it hard to figure out how you can not only tout the benefits of eating exclusively primal/paleo, and yet feel good about selling Shakeology to folks at the same time.

I don't sell shakeology, and otherwise i agree with you.

mfpcopine

...even professionals are leading you in the wrong direction. Learning about proper nutrition will save you a lot of wasted time and you'll get to your goals faster.

When I take on clients I make them do ridiculous amounts of research. Its not enough for me to just summarize things to them. People always end up trying to tweak things when they don't understand the mechanics of proper nutrition. It never works out as well as it could have. I always tell them that if they spent two less hours training a week and used those two hours to read they would inevitably reach their goals faster in the long run. I believe that when I say it.

There are people, trainers, professionals, who will want to tell you that by focusing on what kinds of foods you eat, you are displaying "orthorexic" tendencies. Orthorexic is defined by Alan Aragon as “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food.”

Don't listen. Obviously food shouldn't consume your every waking thought, and you should enjoy your life and your friends, but a care and a concern for the things you put in your mouth can serve you incredibly well on your journey. Do you want to have a stronger, healthier body? Do you want to avoid disease? Do you want to recover faster, require less sleep, function at a more optimal level? Do you want to be bounding up stairs at 60, 70 years old? Do you want to be doing yoga when you're 80 like I do?

Then here are some great resources to help get you started!

http://www.westonaprice.org/

http://chriskresser.com/

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/

http://wrightnewsletter.com/about/

http://www.ted.com/talks/william_li.html

http://www.eattodefeatcancer.org/

http://www.drweil.com/

http://drkevinlau.blogspot.com/


If you read all that you'd know more than ~99% of people everywhere. You can learn it in a month easily. Spend all your time learning. But if you want to ask questions, that's not a bad thing either.

How do people without formal education or certification have "clients"?

It's important to educate oneself, but laypeople will never have the breadth or depth of professionals.

ldrosophila

In some states the only ones licensed to give out nutritional advice are Dietitians. Technically even personal trainers should not be giving out nutritional advice unless they have training to meet licensure standards. I'm nut sure about the standards in NY, but a cursory glance looks like there is a license requirement.

I'd say get a degree in Dietetics or exercise physiology and go from there, or move to IL that is allowing even unlicensed individuals to make recommendations on tube feeds and IV feeding, horror of horrors! :noway:

Sarauk2sf

This is a good video from Layne Norton discussing the extremes...I actually think you may not be that far from agreeing with what he is saying (or maybe not):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34mViApQiyE&playnext=1&list=PLEEE569A5A86E2E19&feature=results_video

Just remember, most people are not actually at the extreme end of either spectrum. Someone who says they 'eat clean' will usually have some treats every now and again, such as yourself, but still try to fit their macros. The majority of the IIFYM peeps will try to eat generally nutritious foods with a discretionary amount of foods that are less nutrient dense. It's sort of the same thing, just different labels and slightly different points in the continuum.

mfpcopine

By using the word "client" you're holding yourself out to have expertise, education, training and qualifications that you do not possess. Most, if not all, states have strict rules about this kind of thing to protect the public.