You Should Study Nutrition - The Other Perspective
CoachReddy
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...even professionals are leading you in the wrong direction. Learning about proper nutrition will save you a lot of wasted time and you'll get to your goals faster.
When I take on clients I make them do ridiculous amounts of research. Its not enough for me to just summarize things to them. People always end up trying to tweak things when they don't understand the mechanics of proper nutrition. It never works out as well as it could have. I always tell them that if they spent two less hours training a week and used those two hours to read they would inevitably reach their goals faster in the long run. I believe that when I say it.
There are people, trainers, professionals, who will want to tell you that by focusing on what kinds of foods you eat, you are displaying "orthorexic" tendencies. Orthorexic is defined by Alan Aragon as “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food.”
Don't listen. Obviously food shouldn't consume your every waking thought, and you should enjoy your life and your friends, but a care and a concern for the things you put in your mouth can serve you incredibly well on your journey. Do you want to have a stronger, healthier body? Do you want to avoid disease? Do you want to recover faster, require less sleep, function at a more optimal level? Do you want to be bounding up stairs at 60, 70 years old? Do you want to be doing yoga when you're 80 like I do?
Then here are some great resources to help get you started!
http://www.westonaprice.org/
http://chriskresser.com/
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/
http://wrightnewsletter.com/about/
http://www.ted.com/talks/william_li.html
http://www.eattodefeatcancer.org/
http://www.drweil.com/
http://drkevinlau.blogspot.com/
If you read all that you'd know more than ~99% of people everywhere. You can learn it in a month easily. Spend all your time learning. But if you want to ask questions, that's not a bad thing either.
When I take on clients I make them do ridiculous amounts of research. Its not enough for me to just summarize things to them. People always end up trying to tweak things when they don't understand the mechanics of proper nutrition. It never works out as well as it could have. I always tell them that if they spent two less hours training a week and used those two hours to read they would inevitably reach their goals faster in the long run. I believe that when I say it.
There are people, trainers, professionals, who will want to tell you that by focusing on what kinds of foods you eat, you are displaying "orthorexic" tendencies. Orthorexic is defined by Alan Aragon as “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food.”
Don't listen. Obviously food shouldn't consume your every waking thought, and you should enjoy your life and your friends, but a care and a concern for the things you put in your mouth can serve you incredibly well on your journey. Do you want to have a stronger, healthier body? Do you want to avoid disease? Do you want to recover faster, require less sleep, function at a more optimal level? Do you want to be bounding up stairs at 60, 70 years old? Do you want to be doing yoga when you're 80 like I do?
Then here are some great resources to help get you started!
http://www.westonaprice.org/
http://chriskresser.com/
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/
http://wrightnewsletter.com/about/
http://www.ted.com/talks/william_li.html
http://www.eattodefeatcancer.org/
http://www.drweil.com/
http://drkevinlau.blogspot.com/
If you read all that you'd know more than ~99% of people everywhere. You can learn it in a month easily. Spend all your time learning. But if you want to ask questions, that's not a bad thing either.
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Orthorexic is defined by Alan Aragon as “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food.”
This is a very dumbed down definition and doesn't represent what orthorexia truly is. Most of the time people who are orthorexic will continue to eliminate food groups they deem as unhealthy. This obsession can lead to malnutrition when critical nutrients may be eliminated from the diet.
When you don't include the entire definition, then you make it sound as if he is hating on people who like nutritious foods. That's not the case. There is a line that can be crossed when stressing over "clean" foods becomes unhealthy.0 -
Orthorexic is defined by Alan Aragon as “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food.”
This is a very dumbed down definition and doesn't represent what orthorexia truly is. Most of the time people who are orthorexic will continue to eliminate food groups they deem as unhealthy. This obsession can lead to malnutrition when critical nutrients may be eliminated from the diet.
When you don't include the entire definition, then you make it sound as if he is hating on people who like nutritious foods. That's not the case. There is a line that can be crossed when stressing over "clean" foods becomes unhealthy.
that was from his website.
I have been called orthorexic. that alone should tell you that the already fake word is easily corrupted and misused, as my nutrition is outstanding.0 -
Orthorexic is defined by Alan Aragon as “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food.”
This is a very dumbed down definition and doesn't represent what orthorexia truly is. Most of the time people who are orthorexic will continue to eliminate food groups they deem as unhealthy. This obsession can lead to malnutrition when critical nutrients may be eliminated from the diet.
When you don't include the entire definition, then you make it sound as if he is hating on people who like nutritious foods. That's not the case. There is a line that can be crossed when stressing over "clean" foods becomes unhealthy.
that was from his website.
I have been called orthorexic. that alone should tell you that the already fake word is easily corrupted and misused, as my nutrition is outstanding.
I actually wouldn't call it a fake word. The obsession for some people can be real. Dismissing this would be irresponsible. The problem, I see, is that continuing to stress "clean" eating on people leads to more stress. Especially, since there is not a clear cut definition of "clean". Also, it over complicates eating for people who already live chaotic lives and have no desires to be fitness models.0 -
I would add:
http://www.gnolls.org/
To that list.
Personally I consider multiple sources and viewpoints before deciding what to do. I then test it out in real world conditions. I throw out what doesn't work and keep what does.
There is a false dichotomy going on in many of these discussions. There is a huge area of convergence in the middle between many approaches - both conventional and alternative - that always seems to get overlooked.0 -
Just for clarity's sake, Alan Aragon is not the one who defined Orthorexia Nervosa. What you copied may well be on his website but the definition is easily accessible on web dictionaries.
"Orthorexia nervosa (also known as orthorexia) is not mentioned in the DSM[a], but was coined by Steven Bratman[1] to characterize people who develop an obsession with avoiding foods perceived to be unhealthy"0 -
...even professionals are leading you in the wrong direction. Learning about proper nutrition will save you a lot of wasted time and you'll get to your goals faster.
When I take on clients I make them do ridiculous amounts of research. Its not enough for me to just summarize things to them. People always end up trying to tweak things when they don't understand the mechanics of proper nutrition. It never works out as well as it could have. I always tell them that if they spent two less hours training a week and used those two hours to read they would inevitably reach their goals faster in the long run. I believe that when I say it.
There are people, trainers, professionals, who will want to tell you that by focusing on what kinds of foods you eat, you are displaying "orthorexic" tendencies. Orthorexic is defined by Alan Aragon as “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food.”
Don't listen. Obviously food shouldn't consume your every waking thought, and you should enjoy your life and your friends, but a care and a concern for the things you put in your mouth can serve you incredibly well on your journey. Do you want to have a stronger, healthier body? Do you want to avoid disease? Do you want to recover faster, require less sleep, function at a more optimal level? Do you want to be bounding up stairs at 60, 70 years old? Do you want to be doing yoga when you're 80 like I do?
Then here are some great resources to help get you started!
http://www.westonaprice.org/
http://chriskresser.com/
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/
http://wrightnewsletter.com/about/
http://www.ted.com/talks/william_li.html
http://www.eattodefeatcancer.org/
http://www.drweil.com/
http://drkevinlau.blogspot.com/
If you read all that you'd know more than ~99% of people everywhere. You can learn it in a month easily. Spend all your time learning. But if you want to ask questions, that's not a bad thing either.
You're 80 years old!!!!!???? :noway:0 -
I don't understand why the professionals are doing it wrong or how we know that they are. How do you know who to trust?
Its funny, I was once obsessed with "clean eating". Then I did a lot more research and have come around to the other side. Don't get me wrong, I still focus on getting the majority of my food from nutrient rich whole foods, but I don't avoid other foods completely anymore.0 -
I would add:
http://www.gnolls.org/
To that list.
Personally I consider multiple sources and viewpoints before deciding what to do. I then test it out in real world conditions. I throw out what doesn't work and keep what does.
There is a false dichotomy going on in many of these discussions. There is a huge area of convergence in the middle between many approaches - both conventional and alternative - that always seems to get overlooked.
i completely agree with you on all counts. science has great value, and so does holistic medicine.
i wonder how many people on here who flame against natural approaches have ever seen a chiropractor...0 -
whatevs
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LOL I thought the same thing- 80 years old? But I think he meant "want to do yoga at 80, like I do (want to be able to do it when I'm 80).. NOT like I'm doing at 80...0
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Obviously food shouldn't consume your every waking thought, and you should enjoy your life and your friends, but a care and a concern for the things you put in your mouth can serve you incredibly well on your journey. Do you want to have a stronger, healthier body? Do you want to avoid disease? Do you want to recover faster, require less sleep, function at a more optimal level? Do you want to be bounding up stairs at 60, 70 years old? Do you want to be doing yoga when you're 80 like I do?
Food doesn't consume my every waking thought.
I enjoy my life and my friends and family.
I have care and concern for what I put in my mouth.
I'm stronger.
I'm healthier.
I'm avoiding disease.
I recover faster.
I sleep 6 hours a night.
I function at an optimal level.
And I manage to balance my healthy choices with pizza now and then.
Hmmm......0 -
Obviously food shouldn't consume your every waking thought, and you should enjoy your life and your friends, but a care and a concern for the things you put in your mouth can serve you incredibly well on your journey. Do you want to have a stronger, healthier body? Do you want to avoid disease? Do you want to recover faster, require less sleep, function at a more optimal level? Do you want to be bounding up stairs at 60, 70 years old? Do you want to be doing yoga when you're 80 like I do?
Food doesn't consume my every waking thought.
I enjoy my life and my friends and family.
I have care and concern for what I put in my mouth.
I'm stronger.
I'm healthier.
I'm avoiding disease.
I recover faster.
I sleep 6 hours a night.
I function at an optimal level.
And I manage to balance my healthy choices with pizza now and then.
Hmmm......
and there ain't nothin' wrong with that.
i've had a few pop tarts over the last week, I had a big ole bucket of popcorn and sour patch kids at a movie. do what makes you happy - but be educated and make smart decisions at the same time.0 -
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What clients?0
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What clients?
mine
and thanks for the thoughtful response.0 -
I agree with you, but I have to wonder why there's this automatic knee jerk reaction opposing understanding nutrition, how the body works and removing unhealthy choices from how we eat? It's like folks want to eat pop tarts and feel smug about it?0
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Orthorexic is defined by Alan Aragon as “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food.”
This is a very dumbed down definition and doesn't represent what orthorexia truly is. Most of the time people who are orthorexic will continue to eliminate food groups they deem as unhealthy. This obsession can lead to malnutrition when critical nutrients may be eliminated from the diet.
When you don't include the entire definition, then you make it sound as if he is hating on people who like nutritious foods. That's not the case. There is a line that can be crossed when stressing over "clean" foods becomes unhealthy.
as my nutrition is outstanding.
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What clients?
mine
and thanks for the thoughtful response.
You made a comment, I had a question...thanks for *your* thoughtful response.0 -
I agree with you, but I have to wonder why there's this automatic knee jerk reaction opposing understanding nutrition, how the body works and removing unhealthy choices from how we eat? It's like folks want to eat pop tarts and feel smug about it?
that's exactly what it is, and no - i don't understand it either.0 -
I bet this will be a fun thread to watch.0
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Ah yes, yesterday's brief respite of reason is over. Moving along now.0
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I agree with you, but I have to wonder why there's this automatic knee jerk reaction opposing understanding nutrition, how the body works and removing unhealthy choices from how we eat? It's like folks want to eat pop tarts and feel smug about it?
that's exactly what it is, and no - i don't understand it either.
On the other hand, I don't know why there's this automatic knee jerk reaction that opposes moderation. It's like people want to be super restrictive and feel smug about it......0 -
I agree with you, but I have to wonder why there's this automatic knee jerk reaction opposing understanding nutrition, how the body works and removing unhealthy choices from how we eat? It's like folks want to eat pop tarts and feel smug about it?
that's exactly what it is, and no - i don't understand it either.
On the other hand, I don't know why there's this automatic knee jerk reaction that opposes moderation. It's like people want to be super restrictive and feel smug about it......
do you think i oppose moderation when I say 10-20% of your calories can be discretionary?0 -
I agree with you, but I have to wonder why there's this automatic knee jerk reaction opposing understanding nutrition, how the body works and removing unhealthy choices from how we eat? It's like folks want to eat pop tarts and feel smug about it?
that's exactly what it is, and no - i don't understand it either.
On the other hand, I don't know why there's this automatic knee jerk reaction that opposes moderation. It's like people want to be super restrictive and feel smug about it......
do you think i oppose moderation when I say 10-20% of your calories can be discretionary?
Sounds like most people's interpretation of IIFYM to me
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I think that's great advice...I wish I lived in a state that allowed raw milk in stores :O(. I don't really follow a "traditional" diet, but I commend anyone who can and does!0
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I agree with you, but I have to wonder why there's this automatic knee jerk reaction opposing understanding nutrition, how the body works and removing unhealthy choices from how we eat? It's like folks want to eat pop tarts and feel smug about it?
^This. Also, to those contending the OP's quote about Orthorexia, yes it's true that Orthorexia Nervosa is an obsession, not just a preference to be healthy.
However, since the moment someone says "I'm trying to eat more clean/whole foods", everyone calls them Orthorexic as if it is not only inevitable over time ("dooming yourself to failure"), but the only way that one can go when you try to incorporate much more healthy foods into your diet-- and therefore, because you can only eat so many things in a day, you inevitably have far fewer "bad" foods. Which is pretty silly imo.0 -
I would add:
http://www.gnolls.org/
To that list.
Personally I consider multiple sources and viewpoints before deciding what to do. I then test it out in real world conditions. I throw out what doesn't work and keep what does.
There is a false dichotomy going on in many of these discussions. There is a huge area of convergence in the middle between many approaches - both conventional and alternative - that always seems to get overlooked.
I know what you mean. I am one of those in the middle. When I see these posts, I am afraid to post a comment because I don't want to pick a side!0 -
I agree with you, but I have to wonder why there's this automatic knee jerk reaction opposing understanding nutrition, how the body works and removing unhealthy choices from how we eat? It's like folks want to eat pop tarts and feel smug about it?
that's exactly what it is, and no - i don't understand it either.
On the other hand, I don't know why there's this automatic knee jerk reaction that opposes moderation. It's like people want to be super restrictive and feel smug about it......
Who says that eating clean more days out of the week than not is "super-restrictive"? This clash between so-called "clean eaters" and "IIFYMers" is ridiculous because THEY ACTUALLY AGREE AND ARE DOING THE SAME THING. Yet they would never admit it.0 -
I would add:
http://www.gnolls.org/
To that list.
Personally I consider multiple sources and viewpoints before deciding what to do. I then test it out in real world conditions. I throw out what doesn't work and keep what does.
There is a false dichotomy going on in many of these discussions. There is a huge area of convergence in the middle between many approaches - both conventional and alternative - that always seems to get overlooked.
I know what you mean. I am one of those in the middle. When I see these posts, I am afraid to post a comment because I don't want to pick a side!
that's exactly what sucks about these forums. the crazy thing is that I, myself, am in the middle. I think there is SO much value - SO MUCH - to nutritional science. Hell I'm considering getting certifications in nutrition. But I also happen to believe that you can treat most illnesses and conditions naturally, and I think you can prevent many illnesses/conditions with diet. I come off as extreme on these boards because it's that second half of my beliefs that come under fire time and time again, so that's all I'm ever defending.
looking at things from multiple perspectives is ONLY helpful. It absolutely can't hurt.0 -
...even professionals are leading you in the wrong direction. Learning about proper nutrition will save you a lot of wasted time and you'll get to your goals faster.
When I take on clients I make them do ridiculous amounts of research. Its not enough for me to just summarize things to them. People always end up trying to tweak things when they don't understand the mechanics of proper nutrition. It never works out as well as it could have. I always tell them that if they spent two less hours training a week and used those two hours to read they would inevitably reach their goals faster in the long run. I believe that when I say it.
There are people, trainers, professionals, who will want to tell you that by focusing on what kinds of foods you eat, you are displaying "orthorexic" tendencies. Orthorexic is defined by Alan Aragon as “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food.”
Don't listen. Obviously food shouldn't consume your every waking thought, and you should enjoy your life and your friends, but a care and a concern for the things you put in your mouth can serve you incredibly well on your journey. Do you want to have a stronger, healthier body? Do you want to avoid disease? Do you want to recover faster, require less sleep, function at a more optimal level? Do you want to be bounding up stairs at 60, 70 years old? Do you want to be doing yoga when you're 80 like I do?
Then here are some great resources to help get you started!
http://www.westonaprice.org/
http://chriskresser.com/
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/
http://wrightnewsletter.com/about/
http://www.ted.com/talks/william_li.html
http://www.eattodefeatcancer.org/
http://www.drweil.com/
http://drkevinlau.blogspot.com/
If you read all that you'd know more than ~99% of people everywhere. You can learn it in a month easily. Spend all your time learning. But if you want to ask questions, that's not a bad thing either.
Oh dear, I don't have to follow many of these links to find a sorry collection of cranks and people trying to sell you snake oil and I wouldn't call that research. As for professionals moving in the wrong direction................... now how many times have I heard that the experts were wrong and someone who can tell a good anecdote (true or false) or who clearly has an interest in what he can sell you, is right.
My friend can I recommend a book to you "Bad Science" by Ben Goldacre, maybe put some of this stuff in perspective and point out the value of true documented trials under controlled conditions. I doubt you'd like what you'd read but it might be an education for you.0
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