My Pizza Day Experiment - A Comparison
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To note, potassium info is missing for lots of foods, including pizza.
so then by the same token, my 4,600+ day should be higher too, yes?
Quite possibly which sucks for you because too much potassium is actually harmful.
yeah no. 4,700mg is the RDA0 -
Holy Jesus! You had a single splurge day in your many years of eating twigs and berries and you survived. You're lucky you didn't go into a fiber and vitamin C deficiency coma.
I for one am highly impressed with your reductio ad absurdum experiment to prove something against which no one argued.
I am now sadly depressed and guilt ridden that I ate massive greasy tacos and had a margarita for lunch. I may limit myself to 3 beers for dessert tonight to atone for my dirty dirty diet.
does doing this one day hurt? no. i wouldn't have done it otherwise. but it's just to show that IIFYM isn't the be all and end all, as some have bastardized it to be.0 -
To note, potassium info is missing for lots of foods, including pizza.
so then by the same token, my 4,600+ day should be higher too, yes?
Quite possibly which sucks for you because too much potassium is actually harmful.
yeah no. 4,700mg is the RDA
I believe it is 4500. But either way, you took what I said to include all foods are wrong..then you could be super high. OMG!!! Maybe having the one day of pizza saved your life!
Pizza is a hero! Woooooo!
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I am sorry man, I just can't get past the fact that you didn't take advantage of this opportunity to actually eat something tasty. Domino's?! WTF, were you scared that good pizza might make you chance your mind about "clean" eating 100 % of the time?
?? I live in NYC, I grew up on new york pizza. don't worry, I love me some sloppy greasy, foldable NYC pizza. but i can get dominos delivered in literally 15 minutes, it's cheap, and i dig the pineapple/bacon combo that you can't get at my local pizza joint.
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Holy Jesus! You had a single splurge day in your many years of eating twigs and berries and you survived. You're lucky you didn't go into a fiber and vitamin C deficiency coma.
I for one am highly impressed with your reductio ad absurdum experiment to prove something against which no one argued.
I am now sadly depressed and guilt ridden that I ate massive greasy tacos and had a margarita for lunch. I may limit myself to 3 beers for dessert tonight to atone for my dirty dirty diet.
I love you.
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To note, potassium info is missing for lots of foods, including pizza.
so then by the same token, my 4,600+ day should be higher too, yes?
Quite possibly which sucks for you because too much potassium is actually harmful.
yeah no. 4,700mg is the RDA
There is no benefit to having over the RDA though. Too much can stop your heart. If your kidneys are working any excess just gets filtered out.0 -
Just checked last week - random couple of days:
Monday:
Vit A: 123%
Vit C: 118%
Calcium: 209%
Iron: 183%
Fiber: 28g
Tuesday:
Vit A: 939%
Vit C: 440%
Calcium: 170%
Iron: 108%
Fiber: 57g
Oh look, my unclean eating habits must therefore be healthier than yours.
Also, Monday I had 2 poptarts, some chocolate and of course ice cream.
where did i say your eating habits were "unclean" and that you couldn't have pop tarts and chocolate and ice cream?
i'm simply saying that making ALL of your food "crap", even if it fits your macros, leaves you deficient.
that's not at all what you do Sara.
Why are you using a strawman again that has no basis in what 99% of people actually do then?
You seem to get IIFYM one minute and then completely take a step back with that understanding.
IIFYM is not 'eat whatever the heck you want and bedamned with the micros' - I have linked you discussions that explain what it actually is before but you are not hearing it. If you want to argue about eating what you call 'crap' all day v eating clean, don;t bring IIFYM into it - that is *not* what it means.
jonnythan would argue with you.
Well, until he is here then that is conjecture.
And to be honest, I do not really care if *he* understands how IIFYM evolved. You made this thread and you are the one bringing IIFYM into it..again.0 -
To note, potassium info is missing for lots of foods, including pizza.
so then by the same token, my 4,600+ day should be higher too, yes?
Quite possibly which sucks for you because too much potassium is actually harmful.
yeah no. 4,700mg is the RDA
There is no benefit to having over the RDA though. Too much can stop your heart. If your kidneys are working any excess just gets filtered out.
ah. so we're gonna ***** and moan about how there's "no such thing as too much protein" but when it comes to potassium, well... just make sure you don't overwork your kidneys!
smh0 -
Just checked last week - random couple of days:
Monday:
Vit A: 123%
Vit C: 118%
Calcium: 209%
Iron: 183%
Fiber: 28g
Tuesday:
Vit A: 939%
Vit C: 440%
Calcium: 170%
Iron: 108%
Fiber: 57g
Oh look, my unclean eating habits must therefore be healthier than yours.
Also, Monday I had 2 poptarts, some chocolate and of course ice cream.
where did i say your eating habits were "unclean" and that you couldn't have pop tarts and chocolate and ice cream?
i'm simply saying that making ALL of your food "crap", even if it fits your macros, leaves you deficient.
that's not at all what you do Sara.
Why are you using a strawman again that has no basis in what 99% of people actually do then?
You seem to get IIFYM one minute and then completely take a step back with that understanding.
IIFYM is not 'eat whatever the heck you want and bedamned with the micros' - I have linked you discussions that explain what it actually is before but you are not hearing it. If you want to argue about eating what you call 'crap' all day v eating clean, don;t bring IIFYM into it - that is *not* what it means.
jonnythan would argue with you.
Well, until he is here then that is conjecture.
And to be honest, I do not really care if *he* understands how IIFYM evolved. You made this thread and you are the one bringing IIFYM into it..again.
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I only saw 4000 calories0
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Would it be considered "clean eating" if you ate nothing but potatoes and chicken breasts all day? Or does your definition of clean eating mean that you have to have a large variety of "clean" foods?0
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Just checked last week - random couple of days:
Monday:
Vit A: 123%
Vit C: 118%
Calcium: 209%
Iron: 183%
Fiber: 28g
Tuesday:
Vit A: 939%
Vit C: 440%
Calcium: 170%
Iron: 108%
Fiber: 57g
Oh look, my unclean eating habits must therefore be healthier than yours.
Also, Monday I had 2 poptarts, some chocolate and of course ice cream.
where did i say your eating habits were "unclean" and that you couldn't have pop tarts and chocolate and ice cream?
i'm simply saying that making ALL of your food "crap", even if it fits your macros, leaves you deficient.
that's not at all what you do Sara.
Why are you using a strawman again that has no basis in what 99% of people actually do then?
You seem to get IIFYM one minute and then completely take a step back with that understanding.
IIFYM is not 'eat whatever the heck you want and bedamned with the micros' - I have linked you discussions that explain what it actually is before but you are not hearing it. If you want to argue about eating what you call 'crap' all day v eating clean, don;t bring IIFYM into it - that is *not* what it means.
jonnythan would argue with you.
Well, until he is here then that is conjecture.
And to be honest, I do not really care if *he* understands how IIFYM evolved. You made this thread and you are the one bringing IIFYM into it..again.
?? I made this thread pretty much FOR him. I've got no beef with IIFYM as it's MEANT to be. I follow it myself. And I've got no beef with you.
however, jonnythan literally believes that you can eat pop tarts, ice cream, pizza, fast food etc alone and be perfectly healthy if it fits your macros, and he's extremely vocal about that. IMO that's the dangerous side of the IIFYM coin and what prompted my "experiment" - I was curious how the micronutrients stacked up.0 -
Wow, that was quite a jump! Just pointing out that eating above RDA doesn't always mean better and that the body just gets rid of excess. I didn't say that it "overworks" the kidneys nor did I moan about protein or anything.To note, potassium info is missing for lots of foods, including pizza.
so then by the same token, my 4,600+ day should be higher too, yes?
Quite possibly which sucks for you because too much potassium is actually harmful.
yeah no. 4,700mg is the RDA
There is no benefit to having over the RDA though. Too much can stop your heart. If your kidneys are working any excess just gets filtered out.
ah. so we're gonna ***** and moan about how there's "no such thing as too much protein" but when it comes to potassium, well... just make sure you don't overwork your kidneys!
smh
Not sure what you are arguing about here?0 -
Would it be considered "clean eating" if you ate nothing but potatoes and chicken breasts all day? Or does your definition of clean eating mean that you have to have a large variety of "clean" foods?
variety is the spice of life. and as long as I eat about 80-90% good stuff, i can splurge on the rest. i'm not as crazy as y'all think i am.0 -
Just checked last week - random couple of days:
Monday:
Vit A: 123%
Vit C: 118%
Calcium: 209%
Iron: 183%
Fiber: 28g
Tuesday:
Vit A: 939%
Vit C: 440%
Calcium: 170%
Iron: 108%
Fiber: 57g
Oh look, my unclean eating habits must therefore be healthier than yours.
Also, Monday I had 2 poptarts, some chocolate and of course ice cream.
where did i say your eating habits were "unclean" and that you couldn't have pop tarts and chocolate and ice cream?
i'm simply saying that making ALL of your food "crap", even if it fits your macros, leaves you deficient.
that's not at all what you do Sara.
Why are you using a strawman again that has no basis in what 99% of people actually do then?
You seem to get IIFYM one minute and then completely take a step back with that understanding.
IIFYM is not 'eat whatever the heck you want and bedamned with the micros' - I have linked you discussions that explain what it actually is before but you are not hearing it. If you want to argue about eating what you call 'crap' all day v eating clean, don;t bring IIFYM into it - that is *not* what it means.
jonnythan would argue with you.
Well, until he is here then that is conjecture.
And to be honest, I do not really care if *he* understands how IIFYM evolved. You made this thread and you are the one bringing IIFYM into it..again.
?? I made this thread pretty much FOR him. I've got no beef with IIFYM as it's MEANT to be. I follow it myself. And I've got no beef with you.
however, jonnythan literally believes that you can eat pop tarts, ice cream, pizza, fast food etc alone and be perfectly healthy if it fits your macros, and he's extremely vocal about that. IMO that's the dangerous side of the IIFYM coin and what prompted my "experiment" - I was curious how the micronutrients stacked up.
Well then, just PM him or address his specific claims in the threads where he makes them so people at least have context and do not think that IIFYM = I don't give a cr@p about micros. Or, stop misusing the term.
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It's even easier if you look at your diary first, then build the pizza to suit it. Imagine if Coach Reddy had added some chicken, roasted red pepper, and spinach to that pizza, ramping up the protein and vitamins. Yum!In...
...to learn more about how I can reach my macros AND micros by eating mostly franchise pizza. Awesome.
You're information is not welcome here as it does not help Coach's argument that pizza=death on dough.
Coach, what is it that you coach anyway? Tee-ball or soccer or what?0 -
so can we talk about how crazy it is that on a fitness site, in a nutrition forum, the majority of people are jumping to the defense of the pizza instead of the salads, fruit, veggies, chicken, fish, nuts, etc, etc?
MFP is a strange place.0 -
I am sorry man, I just can't get past the fact that you didn't take advantage of this opportunity to actually eat something tasty. Domino's?! WTF, were you scared that good pizza might make you chance your mind about "clean" eating 100 % of the time?
This is what i came to say. Dominos? Are you in college? No. Just NO! This i find offensive.0 -
so can we talk about how crazy it is that on a fitness site, in a nutrition forum, the majority of people are jumping to the defense of the pizza instead of the salads, fruit, veggies, chicken, fish, nuts, etc, etc?
MFP is a strange place.
Pizza "can" have veggies, fruit, fish, chicken, nuts, etc on it. So.............
Overall, it's not unhealthy, really, it's not.0 -
But you can put veggies, fish, nuts, seitan, cheese, olive oil, whole wheat flour, tomatoes, broccoli, onions, flax, mushrooms etc. on pizza. ( I'm getting hungry now).
Perhaps you should have done a Twinkie experiment, no never mind, that might be considered just plain gross!0 -
so can we talk about how crazy it is that on a fitness site, in a nutrition forum, the majority of people are jumping to the defense of the pizza instead of the salads, fruit, veggies, chicken, fish, nuts, etc, etc?
MFP is a strange place.
No, we are jumping in defense of a balance diet that will allow for a wide range of nutrients and help adherence.0 -
LOL @ this post....0
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But you can put veggies, fish, nuts, seitan, cheese, olive oil, whole wheat flour, tomatoes, broccoli, onions, flax, mushrooms etc. on pizza. ( I'm getting hungry now).
Perhaps you should have done a Twinkie experiment, no never mind, that might be considered just plain gross!
No I am getting hungry...and want pizza.0 -
guys i'm not talking about pizza as a food, which, just like ANYTHING ELSE has millions of variations that range from dominos and pizza hut bad to whole wheat or cauliflower crust with veggies galore - which are obviously much more nutritious. that's NOT what I'm talking about
frankly, this isn't even about PIZZA itself, simply testing the idea that you can get proper micro nutrition from fast foods. the pizza was just the easiest and cheapest way to go about doing that.0 -
so can we talk about how crazy it is that on a fitness site, in a nutrition forum, the majority of people are jumping to the defense of the pizza instead of the salads, fruit, veggies, chicken, fish, nuts, etc, etc?
MFP is a strange place.
No, we are jumping in defense of a balance diet that will allow for a wide range of nutrients and help adherence.
weird because that's what I'm defending as well0 -
Just checked last week - random couple of days:
Monday:
Vit A: 123%
Vit C: 118%
Calcium: 209%
Iron: 183%
Fiber: 28g
Tuesday:
Vit A: 939%
Vit C: 440%
Calcium: 170%
Iron: 108%
Fiber: 57g
Oh look, my unclean eating habits must therefore be healthier than yours.
Also, Monday I had 2 poptarts, some chocolate and of course ice cream.
I love you.0 -
so can we talk about how crazy it is that on a fitness site, in a nutrition forum, the majority of people are jumping to the defense of the pizza instead of the salads, fruit, veggies, chicken, fish, nuts, etc, etc?
MFP is a strange place.
Ah but see alot of us eat all of those things (salads, fruit, veggies, chicken, fish, nuts, etc, etc) but we also choose to each Pizza, Ice cream, Poptarts, etc, etc.... Because alot of us believe that no foods are off limits if they fit within our meal plan.... I eat the crap out of some 9 cup salads during the week and blow through 10-12 chicken breast and a crap load of veggies but that doesn't stop me from enjoying some Pizza and Beer to kick off the NFL draft Thursday night and having a 1/2 lb. Bacon Cheeseburger and Onion Rings followed by a DQ blizzard for dessert today... But that is where some of us differ, I watch my Caloric intake and Macro's but really don't pay much attention to Micro's like you do... Not knocking you on that just personal don't care too... After 4 years, dropping 312 lbs. and having perfect checkups at my 3 month doctor visits (go every 3 months for my Diabetes blood work) I just feel comfortable with the way I am handling things...0 -
Reddy ate pizza.
Didn't get cancer.
Didn't die.
Didn't contract AIDS.
I'm calling this a win.0 -
so can we talk about how crazy it is that on a fitness site, in a nutrition forum, the majority of people are jumping to the defense of the pizza instead of the salads, fruit, veggies, chicken, fish, nuts, etc, etc?
MFP is a strange place.
Ah but see alot of us eat all of those things (salads, fruit, veggies, chicken, fish, nuts, etc, etc) but we also choose to each Pizza, Ice cream, Poptarts, etc, etc.... Because alot of us believe that no foods are off limits if they fit within our meal plan.... I eat the crap out of some 9 cup salads during the week and blow through 10-12 chicken breast and a crap load of veggies but that doesn't stop me from enjoying some Pizza and Beer to kick off the NFL draft Thursday night and having a 1/2 lb. Bacon Cheeseburger and Onion Rings followed by a DQ blizzard for dessert today... But that is where some of us differ, I watch my Caloric intake and Macro's but really don't pay much attention to Micro's like you do... Not knocking you on that just personal don't care too... After 4 years, dropping 312 lbs. and having perfect checkups at my 3 month doctor visits (go every 3 months for my Diabetes blood work) I just feel comfortable with the way I am handling things...
and you should! you've accomplished something completely amazing and you deserve to not be quite so anal about it. i like being meticulous, but even so I totally have splurge days. I'll eat a bacon cheeseburger now and again. I friggin love 'em. black and blue burger, though - that's where it's at.
in any case, obviously it's all about moderation, but what needs to be clarified to some folks is what moderation really means. does it mean eating fast food every single day for the majority of your meals as long as you meet your macros? of course not. but people do it. but the reality is that it's much harder meeting your micronutrient requirements if you don't eat some good whole foods every day, especially fruits and veggies. you do eat good amounts of those things daily, so you don't have to worry about it! 0 -
so can we talk about how crazy it is that on a fitness site, in a nutrition forum, the majority of people are jumping to the defense of the pizza instead of the salads, fruit, veggies, chicken, fish, nuts, etc, etc?
MFP is a strange place.
I have seen SO MUCH PIZZA HATE today. I feel like a good friend is getting bullied and i'm about to roll through the hood whooping some hoes if they don't back off my bro. #pizzalyfe0
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