My Pizza Day Experiment - A Comparison
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Someone said there was pizza in here?
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so can we talk about how crazy it is that on a fitness site, in a nutrition forum, the majority of people are jumping to the defense of the pizza instead of the salads, fruit, veggies, chicken, fish, nuts, etc, etc?
MFP is a strange place.
Ah but see alot of us eat all of those things (salads, fruit, veggies, chicken, fish, nuts, etc, etc) but we also choose to each Pizza, Ice cream, Poptarts, etc, etc.... Because alot of us believe that no foods are off limits if they fit within our meal plan.... I eat the crap out of some 9 cup salads during the week and blow through 10-12 chicken breast and a crap load of veggies but that doesn't stop me from enjoying some Pizza and Beer to kick off the NFL draft Thursday night and having a 1/2 lb. Bacon Cheeseburger and Onion Rings followed by a DQ blizzard for dessert today... But that is where some of us differ, I watch my Caloric intake and Macro's but really don't pay much attention to Micro's like you do... Not knocking you on that just personal don't care too... After 4 years, dropping 312 lbs. and having perfect checkups at my 3 month doctor visits (go every 3 months for my Diabetes blood work) I just feel comfortable with the way I am handling things...
and you should! you've accomplished something completely amazing and you deserve to not be quite so anal about it. i like being meticulous, but even so I totally have splurge days. I'll eat a bacon cheeseburger now and again. I friggin love 'em. black and blue burger, though - that's where it's at.
in any case, obviously it's all about moderation, but what needs to be clarified to some folks is what moderation really means. does it mean eating fast food every single day for the majority of your meals as long as you meet your macros? of course not. but people do it. but the reality is that it's much harder meeting your micronutrient requirements if you don't eat some good whole foods every day, especially fruits and veggies. you do eat good amounts of those things daily, so you don't have to worry about it!
What folks need to be told that eating pizza all day =/= moderation? If you are talking about johnnythan and DavPaul - well, they are aware enough of nutrition to make the call for themselves whether they are getting their micronutirents. Who else do you need to aware?
And again...you are the one that used the term IIFYM in your original post. Please stop bastardizing its meaning.0 -
In for when I get to my tablet or pc.0
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so can we talk about how crazy it is that on a fitness site, in a nutrition forum, the majority of people are jumping to the defense of the pizza instead of the salads, fruit, veggies, chicken, fish, nuts, etc, etc?
MFP is a strange place.
No, we are jumping in defense of a balance diet that will allow for a wide range of nutrients and help adherence.
weird because that's what I'm defending as well
No, no you are not.0 -
guys i'm not talking about pizza as a food, which, just like ANYTHING ELSE has millions of variations that range from dominos and pizza hut bad to whole wheat or cauliflower crust with veggies galore - which are obviously much more nutritious. that's NOT what I'm talking about
frankly, this isn't even about PIZZA itself, simply testing the idea that you can get proper micro nutrition from fast foods. the pizza was just the easiest and cheapest way to go about doing that.
Which nutrients were missing in the end btw?0 -
Real talk, Reddy eating a Domino pizza for one day and purposefully avoiding any veggie toppings and then posting his micronutrient totals from that one day is just as valid as that China Study that he used to cite so much. So I applaud his wholly scientific, unbiased research and balanced testing protocols. Good enough for the China Study, good enough for Coach Reddy, I say.
Huzzah Coach Reddy, Huzzah!
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so can we talk about how crazy it is that on a fitness site, in a nutrition forum, the majority of people are jumping to the defense of the pizza instead of the salads, fruit, veggies, chicken, fish, nuts, etc, etc?
MFP is a strange place.
Ah but see alot of us eat all of those things (salads, fruit, veggies, chicken, fish, nuts, etc, etc) but we also choose to each Pizza, Ice cream, Poptarts, etc, etc.... Because alot of us believe that no foods are off limits if they fit within our meal plan.... I eat the crap out of some 9 cup salads during the week and blow through 10-12 chicken breast and a crap load of veggies but that doesn't stop me from enjoying some Pizza and Beer to kick off the NFL draft Thursday night and having a 1/2 lb. Bacon Cheeseburger and Onion Rings followed by a DQ blizzard for dessert today... But that is where some of us differ, I watch my Caloric intake and Macro's but really don't pay much attention to Micro's like you do... Not knocking you on that just personal don't care too... After 4 years, dropping 312 lbs. and having perfect checkups at my 3 month doctor visits (go every 3 months for my Diabetes blood work) I just feel comfortable with the way I am handling things...
and you should! you've accomplished something completely amazing and you deserve to not be quite so anal about it. i like being meticulous, but even so I totally have splurge days. I'll eat a bacon cheeseburger now and again. I friggin love 'em. black and blue burger, though - that's where it's at.
in any case, obviously it's all about moderation, but what needs to be clarified to some folks is what moderation really means. does it mean eating fast food every single day for the majority of your meals as long as you meet your macros? of course not. but people do it. but the reality is that it's much harder meeting your micronutrient requirements if you don't eat some good whole foods every day, especially fruits and veggies. you do eat good amounts of those things daily, so you don't have to worry about it!
What folks need to be told that eating pizza all day =/= moderation? If you are talking about johnnythan and DavPaul - well, they are aware enough of nutrition to make the call for themselves whether they are getting their micronutirents. Who else do you need to aware?
And again...you are the one that used the term IIFYM in your original post. Please stop bastardizing its meaning.
hahahahaha that's rich. i've never seen you say that to jonny for some reason. huh. i'm only using his definition after all.0 -
Real talk, Reddy eating a Domino pizza for one day and purposefully avoiding any veggie toppings and then posting his micronutrient totals from that one day is just as valid as that China Study that he used to cite so much. So I applaud his wholly scientific, unbiased research and balanced testing protocols. Good enough for the China Study, good enough for Coach Reddy, I say.
Huzzah Coach Reddy, Huzzah!
i ordered what i like. weird.
and nowhere did i claim that this was science. lol you're funny.0 -
guys i'm not talking about pizza as a food, which, just like ANYTHING ELSE has millions of variations that range from dominos and pizza hut bad to whole wheat or cauliflower crust with veggies galore - which are obviously much more nutritious. that's NOT what I'm talking about
frankly, this isn't even about PIZZA itself, simply testing the idea that you can get proper micro nutrition from fast foods. the pizza was just the easiest and cheapest way to go about doing that.
Which nutrients were missing in the end btw?
Probably some Vitamin K and other random nutrients that no one thinks about but him.
To OP:
I really have nothing valid to add but that.
You also might want to vary your fast food choices and see if it comes out the same.
Any good researcher knows that you can't only do one study and draw a conclusion on a topic.0 -
Since when did people who follow IIFYM fill their whole ENTIRE day with junk foods?0
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That's it!! Tomorrow I'm having an all day pizza experiment:)!!!0
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guys i'm not talking about pizza as a food, which, just like ANYTHING ELSE has millions of variations that range from dominos and pizza hut bad to whole wheat or cauliflower crust with veggies galore - which are obviously much more nutritious. that's NOT what I'm talking about
frankly, this isn't even about PIZZA itself, simply testing the idea that you can get proper micro nutrition from fast foods. the pizza was just the easiest and cheapest way to go about doing that.
Which nutrients were missing in the end btw?
potassium, fiber, sodium was way high, vit C is arguable, and the iron is from fortification, thus not very bioavailable.
and listen, i did this based on the MFP database, which is obviously not entirely accurate, but if I used the same inaccurate database for both days, the margin of error should balance out, no?0 -
Someone said there was pizza in here?
^^ that's awesome!0 -
Since when did people who follow IIFYM fill their whole ENTIRE day with junk foods?
From Layne Norton -
"I do see IIFYM followers who eat as much sugary, high fat foods as they can and wear it like a badge of honor. That is not the point. If you are following a macronutrient intake that is friendly for body composition you will be eating a lot of ‘clean’ foods by default because you will not be able to hit a protein, carb, fat, and fiber intake conducive to body composition improvement if all you eat are high sugar/fat foods. The point is it’s ok to have these foods in small amounts if you are still hitting your goal macronutrient intake."0 -
I think it's safe to say this thread was an epic failure. The person you made this post for probably hasn't even seen it...0
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guys i'm not talking about pizza as a food, which, just like ANYTHING ELSE has millions of variations that range from dominos and pizza hut bad to whole wheat or cauliflower crust with veggies galore - which are obviously much more nutritious. that's NOT what I'm talking about
frankly, this isn't even about PIZZA itself, simply testing the idea that you can get proper micro nutrition from fast foods. the pizza was just the easiest and cheapest way to go about doing that.
Which nutrients were missing in the end btw?
Probably some Vitamin K and other random nutrients that no one thinks about but him.
To OP:
I really have nothing valid to add but that.
You also might want to vary your fast food choices and see if it comes out the same.
Any good researcher knows that you can't only do one study and draw a conclusion on a topic.
i'm... not a researcher. it was just a one day thing that i did on a whim. lol
and ... um... you should look into that pesky vitamin K. it... ya know... might actually be really important. but what do i know? i'm not a researcher.0 -
I think it's safe to say this thread was an epic failure. The person you made this post for probably hasn't even seen it...
We should invite him. Because then it would be a party.0 -
Since when did people who follow IIFYM fill their whole ENTIRE day with junk foods?
From Layne Norton -
"I do see IIFYM followers who eat as much sugary, high fat foods as they can and wear it like a badge of honor. That is not the point. If you are following a macronutrient intake that is friendly for body composition you will be eating a lot of ‘clean’ foods by default because you will not be able to hit a protein, carb, fat, and fiber intake conducive to body composition improvement if all you eat are high sugar/fat foods. The point is it’s ok to have these foods in small amounts if you are still hitting your goal macronutrient intake."
The whole quote from Layne Norton
I find the whole idea of ‘clean eating’ pretentious. What exactly defines a food as ‘clean’? Do you spray windex on it? Rub soap on it? I find it a bit preposterous. I’ve been in debates with people promoting ‘clean eating’ but when I ask for a specific scientific definition of what makes a food ‘clean’ they are silent. I think the restrictive diets where you can only eat a half dozen or so foods are not only unhealthy because they don’t give you a diverse intake of nutrients but I believe they promote eating disorders and binging. I see people who ‘eat clean’ during most of the week and then binge on cheesecake, ice cream, and donuts because it’s a ‘cheat’ meal. Oh yea… that is way healthier than eating ‘unclean’ foods in moderation to a hit a specific macronutrient target. *rolleyes* Now that said, I do believe that many IIFYMers (I find it funny that something myself and others been promoting for years gets an acronym attached to it and is now this ‘new’ way of eating LOL) actually go too far in one direction. Most people who origionally promoted targeting macronutrient intakes instead of obsessing about food choices actually eat ‘clean’ foods 95% of the time, we just don’t agonize over having a homemade burrito with a low carb wrap or some reduced calorie ice cream. We see the value of a controlled intake in order to prevent uncontrolled binging. But I do see IIFYM followers who eat as much sugary, high fat foods as they can and wear it like a badge of honor. That is not the point. If you are following a macronutrient intake that is friendly for body composition you will be eating a lot of ‘clean’ foods by default because you will not be able to hit a protein, carb, fat, and fiber intake conducive to body composition improvement if all you eat are high sugar/fat foods. The point is it’s ok to have these foods in small amounts if you are still hitting your goal macronutrient intake.0 -
I think it's safe to say this thread was an epic failure. The person you made this post for probably hasn't even seen it...
We should invite him. Because then it would be a party.
Good idea. I'll bring the pizza and beer :drinker:0 -
Since when did people who follow IIFYM fill their whole ENTIRE day with junk foods?
From Layne Norton -
"I do see IIFYM followers who eat as much sugary, high fat foods as they can and wear it like a badge of honor. That is not the point. If you are following a macronutrient intake that is friendly for body composition you will be eating a lot of ‘clean’ foods by default because you will not be able to hit a protein, carb, fat, and fiber intake conducive to body composition improvement if all you eat are high sugar/fat foods. The point is it’s ok to have these foods in small amounts if you are still hitting your goal macronutrient intake."
The whole quote from Layne Norton
I find the whole idea of ‘clean eating’ pretentious. What exactly defines a food as ‘clean’? Do you spray windex on it? Rub soap on it? I find it a bit preposterous. I’ve been in debates with people promoting ‘clean eating’ but when I ask for a specific scientific definition of what makes a food ‘clean’ they are silent. I think the restrictive diets where you can only eat a half dozen or so foods are not only unhealthy because they don’t give you a diverse intake of nutrients but I believe they promote eating disorders and binging. I see people who ‘eat clean’ during most of the week and then binge on cheesecake, ice cream, and donuts because it’s a ‘cheat’ meal. Oh yea… that is way healthier than eating ‘unclean’ foods in moderation to a hit a specific macronutrient target. *rolleyes* Now that said, I do believe that many IIFYMers (I find it funny that something myself and others been promoting for years gets an acronym attached to it and is now this ‘new’ way of eating LOL) actually go too far in one direction. Most people who origionally promoted targeting macronutrient intakes instead of obsessing about food choices actually eat ‘clean’ foods 95% of the time, we just don’t agonize over having a homemade burrito with a low carb wrap or some reduced calorie ice cream. We see the value of a controlled intake in order to prevent uncontrolled binging. But I do see IIFYM followers who eat as much sugary, high fat foods as they can and wear it like a badge of honor. That is not the point. If you are following a macronutrient intake that is friendly for body composition you will be eating a lot of ‘clean’ foods by default because you will not be able to hit a protein, carb, fat, and fiber intake conducive to body composition improvement if all you eat are high sugar/fat foods. The point is it’s ok to have these foods in small amounts if you are still hitting your goal macronutrient intake.
Makes a difference when you don't pick something apart and instead present the whole thing. Thank you Sara! :flowerforyou:0 -
guys i'm not talking about pizza as a food, which, just like ANYTHING ELSE has millions of variations that range from dominos and pizza hut bad to whole wheat or cauliflower crust with veggies galore - which are obviously much more nutritious. that's NOT what I'm talking about
frankly, this isn't even about PIZZA itself, simply testing the idea that you can get proper micro nutrition from fast foods. the pizza was just the easiest and cheapest way to go about doing that.
Which nutrients were missing in the end btw?
Probably some Vitamin K and other random nutrients that no one thinks about but him.
To OP:
I really have nothing valid to add but that.
You also might want to vary your fast food choices and see if it comes out the same.
Any good researcher knows that you can't only do one study and draw a conclusion on a topic.
i'm... not a researcher. it was just a one day thing that i did on a whim. lol
and ... um... you should look into that pesky vitamin K. it... ya know... might actually be really important. but what do i know? i'm not a researcher.
Oh hun, I know you're not a researcher.. Which is why I never take anything you say seriously.
I'm surprised you haven't busted out any Wikipedia articles to support your stance yet.
and my Vit K. is just fine.. don't you worry 0 -
Well isn't this precious.0
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Since when did people who follow IIFYM fill their whole ENTIRE day with junk foods?
From Layne Norton -
"I do see IIFYM followers who eat as much sugary, high fat foods as they can and wear it like a badge of honor. That is not the point. If you are following a macronutrient intake that is friendly for body composition you will be eating a lot of ‘clean’ foods by default because you will not be able to hit a protein, carb, fat, and fiber intake conducive to body composition improvement if all you eat are high sugar/fat foods. The point is it’s ok to have these foods in small amounts if you are still hitting your goal macronutrient intake."
The whole quote from Layne Norton
I find the whole idea of ‘clean eating’ pretentious. What exactly defines a food as ‘clean’? Do you spray windex on it? Rub soap on it? I find it a bit preposterous. I’ve been in debates with people promoting ‘clean eating’ but when I ask for a specific scientific definition of what makes a food ‘clean’ they are silent. I think the restrictive diets where you can only eat a half dozen or so foods are not only unhealthy because they don’t give you a diverse intake of nutrients but I believe they promote eating disorders and binging. I see people who ‘eat clean’ during most of the week and then binge on cheesecake, ice cream, and donuts because it’s a ‘cheat’ meal. Oh yea… that is way healthier than eating ‘unclean’ foods in moderation to a hit a specific macronutrient target. *rolleyes* Now that said, I do believe that many IIFYMers (I find it funny that something myself and others been promoting for years gets an acronym attached to it and is now this ‘new’ way of eating LOL) actually go too far in one direction. Most people who origionally promoted targeting macronutrient intakes instead of obsessing about food choices actually eat ‘clean’ foods 95% of the time, we just don’t agonize over having a homemade burrito with a low carb wrap or some reduced calorie ice cream. We see the value of a controlled intake in order to prevent uncontrolled binging. But I do see IIFYM followers who eat as much sugary, high fat foods as they can and wear it like a badge of honor. That is not the point. If you are following a macronutrient intake that is friendly for body composition you will be eating a lot of ‘clean’ foods by default because you will not be able to hit a protein, carb, fat, and fiber intake conducive to body composition improvement if all you eat are high sugar/fat foods. The point is it’s ok to have these foods in small amounts if you are still hitting your goal macronutrient intake.
Ah sneaky!! I see what he did there...... :drinker: Thanks Sara0 -
To note, potassium info is missing for lots of foods, including pizza.
so then by the same token, my 4,600+ day should be higher too, yes?
Quite possibly which sucks for you because too much potassium is actually harmful.
Too much cocaine is harmful too. What's your point?
Most vitamins and minerals consumed over what we need are passed out anyways. Ever had a B vitamin shot before?
Ever wonder why your pee is neon colored after??0 -
so can we talk about how crazy it is that on a fitness site, in a nutrition forum, the majority of people are jumping to the defense of the pizza instead of the salads, fruit, veggies, chicken, fish, nuts, etc, etc?
MFP is a strange place.
Must. Defend. Pizza.
Broccoli is on its own.0 -
Since when did people who follow IIFYM fill their whole ENTIRE day with junk foods?
From Layne Norton -
"I do see IIFYM followers who eat as much sugary, high fat foods as they can and wear it like a badge of honor. That is not the point. If you are following a macronutrient intake that is friendly for body composition you will be eating a lot of ‘clean’ foods by default because you will not be able to hit a protein, carb, fat, and fiber intake conducive to body composition improvement if all you eat are high sugar/fat foods. The point is it’s ok to have these foods in small amounts if you are still hitting your goal macronutrient intake."
The whole quote from Layne Norton
I find the whole idea of ‘clean eating’ pretentious. What exactly defines a food as ‘clean’? Do you spray windex on it? Rub soap on it? I find it a bit preposterous. I’ve been in debates with people promoting ‘clean eating’ but when I ask for a specific scientific definition of what makes a food ‘clean’ they are silent. I think the restrictive diets where you can only eat a half dozen or so foods are not only unhealthy because they don’t give you a diverse intake of nutrients but I believe they promote eating disorders and binging. I see people who ‘eat clean’ during most of the week and then binge on cheesecake, ice cream, and donuts because it’s a ‘cheat’ meal. Oh yea… that is way healthier than eating ‘unclean’ foods in moderation to a hit a specific macronutrient target. *rolleyes* Now that said, I do believe that many IIFYMers (I find it funny that something myself and others been promoting for years gets an acronym attached to it and is now this ‘new’ way of eating LOL) actually go too far in one direction. Most people who origionally promoted targeting macronutrient intakes instead of obsessing about food choices actually eat ‘clean’ foods 95% of the time, we just don’t agonize over having a homemade burrito with a low carb wrap or some reduced calorie ice cream. We see the value of a controlled intake in order to prevent uncontrolled binging. But I do see IIFYM followers who eat as much sugary, high fat foods as they can and wear it like a badge of honor. That is not the point. If you are following a macronutrient intake that is friendly for body composition you will be eating a lot of ‘clean’ foods by default because you will not be able to hit a protein, carb, fat, and fiber intake conducive to body composition improvement if all you eat are high sugar/fat foods. The point is it’s ok to have these foods in small amounts if you are still hitting your goal macronutrient intake.
and he's free to feel however he wants about "clean eating" - however, everything he said there about IIFYM, I agree with.0 -
Well isn't this precious.
SURPISE!!!!!!!
I feel like we should be greeting you with those blowing things and balloons!0 -
Since when did people who follow IIFYM fill their whole ENTIRE day with junk foods?
From Layne Norton -
"I do see IIFYM followers who eat as much sugary, high fat foods as they can and wear it like a badge of honor. That is not the point. If you are following a macronutrient intake that is friendly for body composition you will be eating a lot of ‘clean’ foods by default because you will not be able to hit a protein, carb, fat, and fiber intake conducive to body composition improvement if all you eat are high sugar/fat foods. The point is it’s ok to have these foods in small amounts if you are still hitting your goal macronutrient intake."
The whole quote from Layne Norton
I find the whole idea of ‘clean eating’ pretentious. What exactly defines a food as ‘clean’? Do you spray windex on it? Rub soap on it? I find it a bit preposterous. I’ve been in debates with people promoting ‘clean eating’ but when I ask for a specific scientific definition of what makes a food ‘clean’ they are silent. I think the restrictive diets where you can only eat a half dozen or so foods are not only unhealthy because they don’t give you a diverse intake of nutrients but I believe they promote eating disorders and binging. I see people who ‘eat clean’ during most of the week and then binge on cheesecake, ice cream, and donuts because it’s a ‘cheat’ meal. Oh yea… that is way healthier than eating ‘unclean’ foods in moderation to a hit a specific macronutrient target. *rolleyes* Now that said, I do believe that many IIFYMers (I find it funny that something myself and others been promoting for years gets an acronym attached to it and is now this ‘new’ way of eating LOL) actually go too far in one direction. Most people who origionally promoted targeting macronutrient intakes instead of obsessing about food choices actually eat ‘clean’ foods 95% of the time, we just don’t agonize over having a homemade burrito with a low carb wrap or some reduced calorie ice cream. We see the value of a controlled intake in order to prevent uncontrolled binging. But I do see IIFYM followers who eat as much sugary, high fat foods as they can and wear it like a badge of honor. That is not the point. If you are following a macronutrient intake that is friendly for body composition you will be eating a lot of ‘clean’ foods by default because you will not be able to hit a protein, carb, fat, and fiber intake conducive to body composition improvement if all you eat are high sugar/fat foods. The point is it’s ok to have these foods in small amounts if you are still hitting your goal macronutrient intake.
and he's free to feel however he wants about "clean eating" - however, everything he said there about IIFYM, I agree with.
You *still* do not get it. Those people are NOT hitting their macros and therefore are not applying IIFYM.
Selective call to authority there!0 -
Since when did people who follow IIFYM fill their whole ENTIRE day with junk foods?
From Layne Norton -
"I do see IIFYM followers who eat as much sugary, high fat foods as they can and wear it like a badge of honor. That is not the point. If you are following a macronutrient intake that is friendly for body composition you will be eating a lot of ‘clean’ foods by default because you will not be able to hit a protein, carb, fat, and fiber intake conducive to body composition improvement if all you eat are high sugar/fat foods. The point is it’s ok to have these foods in small amounts if you are still hitting your goal macronutrient intake."
The whole quote from Layne Norton
I find the whole idea of ‘clean eating’ pretentious. What exactly defines a food as ‘clean’? Do you spray windex on it? Rub soap on it? I find it a bit preposterous. I’ve been in debates with people promoting ‘clean eating’ but when I ask for a specific scientific definition of what makes a food ‘clean’ they are silent. I think the restrictive diets where you can only eat a half dozen or so foods are not only unhealthy because they don’t give you a diverse intake of nutrients but I believe they promote eating disorders and binging. I see people who ‘eat clean’ during most of the week and then binge on cheesecake, ice cream, and donuts because it’s a ‘cheat’ meal. Oh yea… that is way healthier than eating ‘unclean’ foods in moderation to a hit a specific macronutrient target. *rolleyes* Now that said, I do believe that many IIFYMers (I find it funny that something myself and others been promoting for years gets an acronym attached to it and is now this ‘new’ way of eating LOL) actually go too far in one direction. Most people who origionally promoted targeting macronutrient intakes instead of obsessing about food choices actually eat ‘clean’ foods 95% of the time, we just don’t agonize over having a homemade burrito with a low carb wrap or some reduced calorie ice cream. We see the value of a controlled intake in order to prevent uncontrolled binging. But I do see IIFYM followers who eat as much sugary, high fat foods as they can and wear it like a badge of honor. That is not the point. If you are following a macronutrient intake that is friendly for body composition you will be eating a lot of ‘clean’ foods by default because you will not be able to hit a protein, carb, fat, and fiber intake conducive to body composition improvement if all you eat are high sugar/fat foods. The point is it’s ok to have these foods in small amounts if you are still hitting your goal macronutrient intake.
Thanks Sarah for posting the whole quote!0 -
Well isn't this precious.
SURPISE!!!!!!!
I feel like we should be greeting you with those blowing things and balloons!
:laugh:
I'm famous!0
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