Girls wear certain clothes when they are looking
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The larger issue this implies is that women should not wear/say/do what they choose if it could be interpreted as "sexy" and if they do, they are clearly looking for sexual attention, a sexual partner, etc. Rape and sexual assault victims are often told they were "asking for it" because of what they were wearing- and this is a common opinion adopted by both men AND other women, bringing up even larger and deeper social issues.
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There's a difference between wanting sexual attention, to feel sexually attractive, and wanting sex from any random stranger.
Love.
As for myself, I wear what I wear because that's what I can afford. And most of that includes shirts that show my boobs. I like my boobs.0 -
The larger issue this implies is that women should not wear/say/do what they choose if it could be interpreted as "sexy" and if they do, they are clearly looking for sexual attention, a sexual partner, etc. Rape and sexual assault victims are often told they were "asking for it" because of what they were wearing- and this is a common opinion adopted by both men AND other women, bringing up even larger and deeper social issues.
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Honestly ask yourself where you got the idea that a woman's level of self-respect was directly related to the way she dressed or how much of her body she shows. That way of thinking just perpetuates the idea that a woman is only worth her virginity and that our worth as individuals is somehow tied to our sexual activity. Does that really make sense to you?I WILL get crap for this, but I don't go to a bad area carrying a sack of diamonds and money and flashing it around.
Just saying - If you don't want to be called a *kitten*, dress modestly. It really isn't that hard. It isn't against your 'freedom' as a woman, it's just respect for yourself, and a lot of time, respect for other peoples eyes. Just like the women of facebook, who has bikini pics etc, then give out when men comment and like.
Doing it for yourself or not, the need to flash parts of yourself all the time is just immature, and it won't get you the right partner anyway, and you will be left wondering why.
Women cannot go out dressed like a hooker, then come home and complain that 'perverts' were looking at her, and all men are sexist pigs. You all know it happens, and some of you probably do it, so say what you want, but you know it's true.
Women are for the most part hypocrites, because most women of today treat men like pieces of meat, and complain when it is done to them.
I'm so glad that you have deep insight and intimate knowledge of the psyches of 3.5 billion women. Or "most women" "for the most part".
No. Just... No.
Me too. The truth hurts. Most generally implies not all. Which is why I said it. Whether we like it or not, it is true.
But anyway, I guess it is easier to sit behind a keyboard and call me ignorant just because I think women should have more respect for themselves, and not WANT to dress like *kitten*.
And I'm the sexist one?0 -
I love how you had to put 'freedom' in quotes like that... like it's not real, or at least not something that women are actually entitled to.
No one should have to dress modestly to impress people like you. I can surely tell you that never once have I worried if emmalouc93 might think I look like a *kitten* before walking out my front door.
I really feel bad when I read things like this from other women, because I know that it is a learned way of thinking and it's sad that it's so widespread that even we accept and enforce misogynistic ideals as women ourselves.
Yes because I see freedom as being able to work, do what you want in life, marry who you want, go where you want. Not the right to dress like a hooker. Don't turn this into a *****y free for all, it will not work.
Please don't put that much self importance on yourself that I care what you do or don't do, I'm giving my opinion here like everyone else is.
Is that ok with you, or should anyone that disagrees just not have a say?
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Wear whatever you want...but don't get pissy when you get hit on if it is sexy and appealing to the opposite sex. If it looks like you are "flaunting what you have", we're probably gonna want to see if you want more!
How about women can wear whatever the hell they like and it doesn't mean you or any other man is entitled to claim us.
It is not your god given right to 'hit on' women, and frankly it sounds like the kind of mentality that rape victim blamers have: 'she was dressed this way...she was asking for it'.
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Way to take a simple thing and turn it into the absolute extreme. No one is saying any of the crap you just spewed.
Being approached isn't staking a "claim"....sorry we're not out to rape you.
The why would you say 'don't get pissy' when you 'hit on' a girl? Surely that implies that they do not want to be approached and harrassed by someone who thinks its a compliment.
Firstly, you took part of my quote out of context, this isn't politics you don't get any points for rebutting a sentence taken out of a larger quote.
I said dress how you like, however, understand that if you dress and look sexy males are going to react to that.
We are a visual species first and foremost, we gravitate initially to what attracts us...and simply that is attractive. So yes, don't get all "up in arms" if you are approached when you are dressed in a way that appears to solicit it. A simply "no thanks" is all that is needed.0 -
Honestly ask yourself where you got the idea that a woman's level of self-respect was directly related to the way she dressed or how much of her body she shows. That way of thinking just perpetuates the idea that a woman is only worth her virginity and that our worth as individuals is somehow tied to our sexual activity. Does that really make sense to you?I WILL get crap for this, but I don't go to a bad area carrying a sack of diamonds and money and flashing it around.
Just saying - If you don't want to be called a *kitten*, dress modestly. It really isn't that hard. It isn't against your 'freedom' as a woman, it's just respect for yourself, and a lot of time, respect for other peoples eyes. Just like the women of facebook, who has bikini pics etc, then give out when men comment and like.
Doing it for yourself or not, the need to flash parts of yourself all the time is just immature, and it won't get you the right partner anyway, and you will be left wondering why.
Women cannot go out dressed like a hooker, then come home and complain that 'perverts' were looking at her, and all men are sexist pigs. You all know it happens, and some of you probably do it, so say what you want, but you know it's true.
Women are for the most part hypocrites, because most women of today treat men like pieces of meat, and complain when it is done to them.
I'm so glad that you have deep insight and intimate knowledge of the psyches of 3.5 billion women. Or "most women" "for the most part".
No. Just... No.
Me too. The truth hurts. Most generally implies not all. Which is why I said it. Whether we like it or not, it is true.
But anyway, I guess it is easier to sit behind a keyboard and call me ignorant just because I think women should have more respect for themselves, and not WANT to dress like *kitten*.
And I'm the sexist one?
I thought it was common sense to realise you don't have to show your tits off to the world to get respect from them. It's hilarious you're arguing with that statement, yet trying to paint me as the misogynistic one.0 -
very defensive eh? i lyke ruby an agree with her 0
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Honestly ask yourself where you got the idea that a woman's level of self-respect was directly related to the way she dressed or how much of her body she shows. That way of thinking just perpetuates the idea that a woman is only worth her virginity and that our worth as individuals is somehow tied to our sexual activity. Does that really make sense to you?I WILL get crap for this, but I don't go to a bad area carrying a sack of diamonds and money and flashing it around.
Just saying - If you don't want to be called a *kitten*, dress modestly. It really isn't that hard. It isn't against your 'freedom' as a woman, it's just respect for yourself, and a lot of time, respect for other peoples eyes. Just like the women of facebook, who has bikini pics etc, then give out when men comment and like.
Doing it for yourself or not, the need to flash parts of yourself all the time is just immature, and it won't get you the right partner anyway, and you will be left wondering why.
Women cannot go out dressed like a hooker, then come home and complain that 'perverts' were looking at her, and all men are sexist pigs. You all know it happens, and some of you probably do it, so say what you want, but you know it's true.
Women are for the most part hypocrites, because most women of today treat men like pieces of meat, and complain when it is done to them.
I'm so glad that you have deep insight and intimate knowledge of the psyches of 3.5 billion women. Or "most women" "for the most part".
No. Just... No.
Me too. The truth hurts. Most generally implies not all. Which is why I said it. Whether we like it or not, it is true.
But anyway, I guess it is easier to sit behind a keyboard and call me ignorant just because I think women should have more respect for themselves, and not WANT to dress like *kitten*.
And I'm the sexist one?
I thought it was common sense to realise you don't have to show your tits off to the world to get respect from them. It's hilarious you're arguing with that statement, yet trying to paint me as the misogynistic one.
You're so ignorant about this that you don't even notice how offensive you're being to all women.0 -
Me too. The truth hurts. Most generally implies not all. Which is why I said it. Whether we like it or not, it is true.
But anyway, I guess it is easier to sit behind a keyboard and call me ignorant just because I think women should have more respect for themselves, and not WANT to dress like *kitten*.
And I'm the sexist one?WHAT exactly is "dressing like a *kitten*"????!?!? Please, enlighten me? You're toeing a very thin line that coordinates dangerously well with the "she's asking for it" line of thought. And I'm not talking about flirting.
Everyone knows what dressing like a *kitten* is, don't act naive. No one asks for it, and it is never ok to sexual assault someone. But what I'm saying is, should we use that as an excuse to go out wearing absolutely nothing and feel ok about it? No. Men or no men, why anyone would WANT to look like that is beyond me. It is disgusting. We could be adults about it, and realise some women DO dress inappropriately, or we could turn this into a men hating thread bashing all males for even noticing the opposite sex.
There is also a fine line between advocating for women, and being a downright child about it, thinking women should get their own way no matter what. We need to step up and take responsibility for what we do, as do men.
The fact you have to justify to me that you're not a *kitten* says a lot, nothing I said was personally aimed at you, yet you feel as if it is. It says a lot about what you think of yourself. Not for nothing, but saying you don't go around with your boobs out and having a profile pic of yourself in your underwear is kind of silly.
I'm all for women being equal, and I am glad that women have the choice to do things we want. That doesn't mean we should abuse that freedom and abuse ourselves by making a mockery of the self respect we are meant to have.
Just my two cents, if anyone doesn't agree, that's cool. I'm not losing any sleep over what others think of my opinions, nor should you.
There is nothing disgusting or wrong about the human body. It's natural. Nudity is natural. You are the one who needs to mature. And while I'm at it, sexuality is natural, it's not disgusting either.0 -
I feel so saddened by certain people's opinions, especially young womens' opinions, on here using hateful words like '*kitten*' to describe women. Can you not see what you are encouraging?0 -
Wow, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You aren't going to change anyone's mind over the internet. And if I want to show my tits, then I can show my tits and it's nobody else's business. And if they want to judge me for it that is their business and I don't give a flying F@CK either.
Let's all get drunk and give hugs now.0 -
When I'm looking to get laid, I wear my STICK IT IN t-shirt.0
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There is nothing disgusting or wrong about the human body. It's natural. Nudity is natural. You are the one who needs to mature. And while I'm at it, sexuality is natural, it's not disgusting either.
It's amazing, and there is a time and place.
Peeing is natural, that doesn't mean I will do it on the street.
I love how all these women are going on about how we should have the right to do what we want, and yet the same time, one woman disagrees and she is the devil.
I feel sad for people if this is how sensitive society is.
People will not agree with you all the time, get over it.
Not everyone wants their lady-parts hanging out for everyone to see. Surely it's my choice to think that?0 -
Honestly ask yourself where you got the idea that a woman's level of self-respect was directly related to the way she dressed or how much of her body she shows. That way of thinking just perpetuates the idea that a woman is only worth her virginity and that our worth as individuals is somehow tied to our sexual activity. Does that really make sense to you?I WILL get crap for this, but I don't go to a bad area carrying a sack of diamonds and money and flashing it around.
Just saying - If you don't want to be called a *kitten*, dress modestly. It really isn't that hard. It isn't against your 'freedom' as a woman, it's just respect for yourself, and a lot of time, respect for other peoples eyes. Just like the women of facebook, who has bikini pics etc, then give out when men comment and like.
Doing it for yourself or not, the need to flash parts of yourself all the time is just immature, and it won't get you the right partner anyway, and you will be left wondering why.
Women cannot go out dressed like a hooker, then come home and complain that 'perverts' were looking at her, and all men are sexist pigs. You all know it happens, and some of you probably do it, so say what you want, but you know it's true.
Women are for the most part hypocrites, because most women of today treat men like pieces of meat, and complain when it is done to them.
I'm so glad that you have deep insight and intimate knowledge of the psyches of 3.5 billion women. Or "most women" "for the most part".
No. Just... No.
Me too. The truth hurts. Most generally implies not all. Which is why I said it. Whether we like it or not, it is true.
But anyway, I guess it is easier to sit behind a keyboard and call me ignorant just because I think women should have more respect for themselves, and not WANT to dress like *kitten*.
And I'm the sexist one?
I thought it was common sense to realise you don't have to show your tits off to the world to get respect from them. It's hilarious you're arguing with that statement, yet trying to paint me as the misogynistic one.
At what point did someone say that boobs were required for respect? Who is to say that a woman is wearing something for ANYONE else or for ANY gain other than personal satisfaction? You've just delved into the world of fallible reasoning at this point.0 -
Wow, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You aren't going to change anyone's mind over the internet. And if I want to show my tits, then I can show my tits and it's nobody else's business. And if they want to judge me for it that is their business and I don't give a flying F@CK either.
Let's all get drunk and give hugs now.
So true. Which ponders the question, how come everyone gets their say, apart from the person that disagrees?
I'm glad that all of you are so hellbent of woman having equality, as long as it is on your terms.
You need a reality check.0 -
:flowerforyou:Wow, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You aren't going to change anyone's mind over the internet. And if I want to show my tits, then I can show my tits and it's nobody else's business. And if they want to judge me for it that is their business and I don't give a flying F@CK either.
Let's all get drunk and give hugs now.0 -
Wow, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You aren't going to change anyone's mind over the internet. And if I want to show my tits, then I can show my tits and it's nobody else's business. And if they want to judge me for it that is their business and I don't give a flying F@CK either.
Let's all get drunk and give hugs now.
I've had my mind changed from other people on the internet and vice versa. There are people behind these screens, you know, real ones.0 -
I said dress how you like, however, understand that if you dress and look sexy males are going to react to that.
We are a visual species first and foremost, we gravitate initially to what attracts us...and simply that is attractive. So yes, don't get all "up in arms" if you are approached when you are dressed in a way that appears to solicit it. A simply "no thanks" is all that is needed.
With respect, the HUGE problem is that a simple "no thanks" is honestly NOT all it takes.
Please consider the following:
SEXUAL ASSAULT STATISTICS
How Often Does Rape Happen to Women?
~One in Four college women report surviving rape (15 percent) or attempted rape (12 percent) since their fourteenth birthday. (1)
~In a study by the U.S. Centers for Disease control of 5,000 college students at over 100 colleges, 20% of women answered "yes" to the question "In your lifetime have you been forced to submit to sexual intercourse against your will?" Thus, one in five college women has been raped at some point in her lifetime. (2)
~In a typical academic year, 3% of college women report surviving rape or attempted rape. This does not include the summer, when many more rapes occur. (3)
~In the year 2000, 246,000 women survived rape and sexual assault. This computes to 28 women every hour. (4)
~A survey of high school students found that one in five had experienced forced sex (rape). Half of these girls told no one about the incident. (5)
~Rape is common worldwide, with relatively similar rates of incidence across countries, with 19%-28% of college women reporting rape or attempted rape in several countries. In many countries, survivors are treated far worse than in the U.S. (6)
Also:
Circumstances of Rape
~57% of rapes happen on dates. (1)
~75% of the men and 55% of the women involved in acquaintance rapes were drinking or taking drugs just before the attack. (1)
~About 70% of sexual assault survivors reported that they took some form of self-protective action during the crime. The most common technique was to resist by struggling or chase and try to hold the attacker. Of those survivors who took protective action, over half believed it helped the situation, about 1/5 believed that it made the situation worse or simultaneously worse and better. (7)
~84% of rape survivors tried unsuccessfully to reason with the man who raped her. (1)
~55% of gang rapes on college campuses are committed by fraternities, 40% by sports teams, and 5% by others. (15)
~Approximately 40% of sexual assaults take place in the survivor's home. About 20% occur in the home of a friend, neighbor, or relative. 10% occur outside, away from home. About 8% take place in parking garages. (7)
~More than half of all rape and sexual assault incidents occurred within one mile of the survivor's home or in her home. (7)
Sources: http://www.oneinfourusa.org/statistics.php
And we're supposed to believe that women DRESSING DIFFERENTLY will make a difference??0 -
Wow, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You aren't going to change anyone's mind over the internet. And if I want to show my tits, then I can show my tits and it's nobody else's business. And if they want to judge me for it that is their business and I don't give a flying F@CK either.
Let's all get drunk and give hugs now.
So true. Which ponders the question, how come everyone gets their say, apart from the person that disagrees?
I didn't say you couldn't say your part...continue on your rant, I really don't care. Doesn't bother me either way, but life is too short to take other people's opinions so seriously. Move on.0 -
It's really frustrating to have a conversation with someone who is completely unwilling to actually examine their thoughts and possibly reconsider their way of thinking. I'm not saying that you have to think I'm right, but you're completely unwilling to actually consider anything but the viewpoint that you came into this argument with.
Honestly ask yourself where you got the idea that a woman's level of self-respect was directly related to the way she dressed or how much of her body she shows. That way of thinking just perpetuates the idea that a woman is only worth her virginity and that our worth as individuals is somehow tied to our sexual activity. Does that really make sense to you?I WILL get crap for this, but I don't go to a bad area carrying a sack of diamonds and money and flashing it around.
Just saying - If you don't want to be called a *kitten*, dress modestly. It really isn't that hard. It isn't against your 'freedom' as a woman, it's just respect for yourself, and a lot of time, respect for other peoples eyes. Just like the women of facebook, who has bikini pics etc, then give out when men comment and like.
Doing it for yourself or not, the need to flash parts of yourself all the time is just immature, and it won't get you the right partner anyway, and you will be left wondering why.
Women cannot go out dressed like a hooker, then come home and complain that 'perverts' were looking at her, and all men are sexist pigs. You all know it happens, and some of you probably do it, so say what you want, but you know it's true.
Women are for the most part hypocrites, because most women of today treat men like pieces of meat, and complain when it is done to them.
I'm so glad that you have deep insight and intimate knowledge of the psyches of 3.5 billion women. Or "most women" "for the most part".
No. Just... No.
Me too. The truth hurts. Most generally implies not all. Which is why I said it. Whether we like it or not, it is true.
But anyway, I guess it is easier to sit behind a keyboard and call me ignorant just because I think women should have more respect for themselves, and not WANT to dress like *kitten*.
And I'm the sexist one?
I thought it was common sense to realise you don't have to show your tits off to the world to get respect from them. It's hilarious you're arguing with that statement, yet trying to paint me as the misogynistic one.
I was like you before, as a teenager, and it's a sad way to live. You don't realize it, but we're taught to hate our bodies, our sexuality, and each other. Judging a woman for the clothes she wears or for having sex is not okay, it does no one any favors.0 -
Wow, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You aren't going to change anyone's mind over the internet. And if I want to show my tits, then I can show my tits and it's nobody else's business. And if they want to judge me for it that is their business and I don't give a flying F@CK either.
Let's all get drunk and give hugs now.
So true. Which ponders the question, how come everyone gets their say, apart from the person that disagrees?
I didn't say you couldn't say your part...continue on your rant, I really don't care. Doesn't bother me either way, but life is too short to take other people's opinions so seriously. Move on.
As could be said for anyone. This is a discussion board. Everyone gets their say. Including people you don't like. Too bad. If you don't care, truly, you wouldn't have took the time to type that.0 -
some people are just irresistible all the time.I have been told I am sexy when I am trying the least to be sexy.
Sometimes I wonder why I even bother trying, if all it takes are yoga pants and a ponytail.
or just a t-shirt
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Wow, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You aren't going to change anyone's mind over the internet. And if I want to show my tits, then I can show my tits and it's nobody else's business. And if they want to judge me for it that is their business and I don't give a flying F@CK either.
Let's all get drunk and give hugs now.
So true. Which ponders the question, how come everyone gets their say, apart from the person that disagrees?
I didn't say you couldn't say your part...continue on your rant, I really don't care. Doesn't bother me either way, but life is too short to take other people's opinions so seriously. Move on.
As could be said for anyone. This is a discussion board. Everyone gets their say. Including people you don't like. Too bad. If you don't care, truly, you wouldn't have took the time to type that.
Exactly, you know me so well. Keep telling me what you know about me please.0 -
I was like you before, as a teenager, and it's a sad way to live. You don't realize it, but we're taught to hate our bodies, our sexuality, and each other. Judging a woman for the clothes she wears or for having sex is not okay, it does no one any favors.
I should change the way I think because you don't like it? Wow, you're all for equal say, aren't you?
I am not saying we should hate it, I'm saying there's a time and place. It's not so hard to figure that out.0 -
That's not true. I've learned a lot by reading what other people have to say online, especially about social issues, and it's opened up my mind a lot. You won't change everyone's mind, but discussions online really can make a difference, we're still actual people even though we can't literally talk to each other.Wow, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You aren't going to change anyone's mind over the internet. And if I want to show my tits, then I can show my tits and it's nobody else's business. And if they want to judge me for it that is their business and I don't give a flying F@CK either.
Let's all get drunk and give hugs now.0 -
Wow, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You aren't going to change anyone's mind over the internet. And if I want to show my tits, then I can show my tits and it's nobody else's business. And if they want to judge me for it that is their business and I don't give a flying F@CK either.
Let's all get drunk and give hugs now.
So true. Which ponders the question, how come everyone gets their say, apart from the person that disagrees?
I'm glad that all of you are so hellbent of woman having equality, as long as it is on your terms.
You need a reality check.
So women deserve equality, but only conditionally- IF they can follow the rules that YOU deem necessary? Reallllly? REALLLLLLY??!?!?!
My word.
And you think calling any woman a "*kitten*" or saying she "dresses like a *kitten*" is not misogyny?
Geez.0 -
Wow, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You aren't going to change anyone's mind over the internet. And if I want to show my tits, then I can show my tits and it's nobody else's business. And if they want to judge me for it that is their business and I don't give a flying F@CK either.
Let's all get drunk and give hugs now.
So true. Which ponders the question, how come everyone gets their say, apart from the person that disagrees?
I didn't say you couldn't say your part...continue on your rant, I really don't care. Doesn't bother me either way, but life is too short to take other people's opinions so seriously. Move on.
The world would be a different place (and uh, why have conversations in the first place?) if no one listened to each other and tried to understand and/or teach.
I mean, why are you even on a forum?0 -
You're just not getting it. It's not about one person's opinion, it's about how women are treated on a societal level. I don't care how you dress, because it's your body and your choice. I don't actually even care about your opinion at all, but I do care that there are so many people that think like you do because it's dangerous.
There is nothing disgusting or wrong about the human body. It's natural. Nudity is natural. You are the one who needs to mature. And while I'm at it, sexuality is natural, it's not disgusting either.
It's amazing, and there is a time and place.
Peeing is natural, that doesn't mean I will do it on the street.
I love how all these women are going on about how we should have the right to do what we want, and yet the same time, one woman disagrees and she is the devil.
I feel sad for people if this is how sensitive society is.
People will not agree with you all the time, get over it.
Not everyone wants their lady-parts hanging out for everyone to see. Surely it's my choice to think that?0 -
i wear what makes me feel good, which often consist of cocktail dresses and mini skirts. if you want to look, look. Just because I am wearing something that is generally considered fashionable doesn't mean I dressed up to be looked at or because I was looking. I haven't really been looking for like 3 years, I just love clothes.0
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