Meat eater, vegetarian or vegan?? Which are you?
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OP: stop trolling. If you want to ask this, ask about them separately. When you combine something meat/paleo/primal with the words vegan/vegetarianism, you are just starting a war. And one side has to be more "right" than the other.
OP,you are not a troll despite what this one says. People are entitled to ask questions they want answers to, without having to compartmentalize their questions to such an absurd extent that absolutely no one will be offended. As we vegans say, you can't make wine without crushing grapes.0 -
It was not my intention at all to get everyone so worked up.. I do apologize.. I was just wanting some info and peoples opinions on them. I like vegan and vegetarian food..
So I wasnt "trolling" I was just asking a simple question.
Again I am sorry if anyone has been offended.
If anyone has skin that thin, you are going to offend them no matter what you say. Don't worry about it.0 -
MEEEAAAATTTT
and SEAFOOD
But I'm from the south... that's just how we're raised.0 -
You will catch more flies with honey. Think about that. Talking down to people will not get you what you apparently want. People will shut down and not listen to you. A word to the wise.
If you noticed I did not claim they are exactly the same. I said we simply draw the line in a different place indicating you choose to allow Less animals to die for your food consumption than I do, but they still die. I honestly do respect your efforts, but when someone posts I'm promoting cruelty expect me to point out if you have any hipocrisy. If you truly want to be humane stay away from anything produced by large farms and grow everything yourself.I'm sorry, but to say animals are killed in the production of harvesting grains is the same thing as eating meat is just plain stupid.
What you're referring to are small mice or insects that might die accidentally here and there during production VS.
27 MILLION animals are killed EVERY DAY for food in the US alone.
Doing your best to alleviate suffering is a lot different than doing nothing.
Gosh, no. Killing and then eating the corpse is not cruelty! My God, who could ever think that!!!
I wasn't aware that presenting scientific studies was talking down to anyone. I assume a certain level of sophistication, and if it is not there, it is not my fault. You just cannot intelligently talk about some subjects without using science.0 -
I'm an Omm-nom-nom-nivore!0
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I eat meat, but I don't eat large portions of meat, cuz it's just not my favorite part of a meal.0
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that right there is wisdom!!!! thank you!!
I was trying to get everybody I knew to think like me and do like me when I tried to go vegan and then when I hit the roadblock (also known as sick and lethargic from lack of meat)..I had to apologize to a lot of people for making them feel guilty about eating meat. I have stopped buying leather purses and am trying to find other ways I can help the animal kingdom even though I still consume meat..but a lot less of it than before.
I think that's great that you're trying to reduce your contribution to that industry, even if it's only smaller things! I guess for me i've had a different experience to a lot of people because I grew up in the middle of the countryside with farms all around us, we lived near a slaughterhouse and could hear the noises coming from it every week, it was horrible
And when I was a child the lambs in the fields opposite would always come up to the fence and want to play, and then they'd all get dragged off to the slaughter house, so from like 5 or 6 I understood what was going on and it was really unsettling. Even though it was a farm where they had 'good lives', the outcome still seems unacceptable to me. (My dad, after 59 years of eating meat, has just become a vegetarian for moral reasons, even though it's taken him that long i'm so proud of him!)
Awareness is an important thing.0 -
the problem with this topic is that it is impossible to debate the dietary benefits of eating meat ,or not, without people coming in with ulterior motives. with all due respect to vegans who choose the lifestyle for ethical and not primarily health reasons thats not what this thread was asking. I do respect your point of view but i don't share it. personally i am only interested in improving my health and living the healthiest way i can, and if i truly believed giving up meat would get me there i would do it, but i don't believe guys like vegasauras would care what way is healthiest ,because that doesn't come off as his main concern.He just uses the health argument as a weapon. listing to health arguments from someone so prejudiced agains meat consumption is like listening to Rush limbough to get you information on president Obama.0
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transitioned to vegan today- trying my best
add me if u are vegan or vegetarians! 0 -
I am a meat eater. I believe meat is VERY healthy....but it depends where your meat comes from. If you go out into a forest and shoot a deer/elk/moose...and get that meat cut up, then its very healthy and lean.
while if its the processed **** where farmers feed the animals growth hormones (chicken) and unnatural meals to cows...well...thats unhealthy.
Meat it healthy depending on where it comes from and the animals history of food and treatment.
I'm most definitely a meat eater - almost exclusively carnivore. Everyone's different, but eating a high-protein, moderate-fat, low-carb diet works best for me. Anything else, and I balloon up pretty darn quickly.0 -
Was a vegetarian for 4 years
currently a meat eater0 -
I eat meat,but I like veggies,too.So I eat both meat and veggies.0
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I'm a meat eater but my partner is vegetarian so I eat vegetarian most of the time. After six years of this I've found that I am not as keen on red meat and much prefer to eat chicken or fish when I'm not eating vegetarian.
The main problem is that most mainstream recipe books only have a few vegetarian recipes so I have to be imaginative in order to convert them so we can both eat them.0 -
vegan...that is all :drinker:0
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Lol. This is going to become a very dramatic board very soon...
I'm a pescatarian. I eat fish, but otherwise vegetarian. And I only eat fish like 1-2x a week.
I am not a doctor. But I feel better eating this way. It forces me to avoid certain unhealthy foods (I'm looking at you, Wendy's..) and it makes me eat a lot more fresh produce.
And I don't care if people eat meat, as long as they don't care that I don't.
I am exactly the same for the same reasons... people are always apologising for eating meat around me, I don't care, I cook it just not for me. My OH would be very grumpy without it.0 -
I lost about 25-30 alone by just becoming meat free. Meat has so much fat in it, its ridiculous. Its disgusting to me when I cook it for my mom and brother to see all the 'juices' lingering in the pan. Like I said before, becoming meat free, best decision I ever made.
To me its an ethical thing but I've found the benefits of just cutting that garbage out of my life is wonderful. I feel like a much better person. I feel happier. I just feel right.0 -
I am a flexitarian. I eat small amounts of meat and dairy when I want them. I really limit them bc I believe that is an optimal diet for me. I think meat and dairy can be healthy and necessary for optimal health when they are from CLEAN sources. Raw dairy from humane farms, grass fed meat, organic free range chicken and eggs. When we mistreat our animals, we pay for it...it's karma. Their food is unhealthy to us when we do not treat them with respect. The commercial meat and dairy industry is disgusting and making americans so unhealthy. I think a healthy amount of meat for the average person is no more than 2-5 times a week, and in small amounts (think side items and not main entrees). Most people that are sensitive to dairy have no idea, we are so used to the bloating and gassiness that we think it's normal or blame it on something else. I think it's a good idea for most people to experiment with elimination diets to really see how different foods effect them. Americans eat way too meat and drink way too much milk and eat way too much cheese that is loaded with hormones, antibiotics, pus, blood, feces, pesticides, ect. And then wonder why they are so unhealthy.0
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I lost about 25-30 alone by just becoming meat free. Meat has so much fat in it, its ridiculous. Its disgusting to me when I cook it for my mom and brother to see all the 'juices' lingering in the pan. Like I said before, becoming meat free, best decision I ever made.
To me its an ethical thing but I've found the benefits of just cutting that garbage out of my life is wonderful. I feel like a much better person. I feel happier. I just feel right.
I feel the same when I avoid meat, happier and just right, balanced and clear headed. I feel depressed, grumpy and sleepy when I eat crap meat. I strongly believe in the fear hormone theory, because I find the same results in myself. I have watched to see if I have the same results with clean, local meat that is humanely raised and supposedly not caused suffering during slaughtering, and I do not think I have the same results then. At times I have thought that feeling, depression, was just pms, but now that I chart my cycle, and watch my diet closely, I can always relate it to meat. I have nearly no pms symptoms when I completely avoid meat, clean or not.
Stress, fear and pain when animals are being slaughtered or waiting to be slaughtered results in several disease processes in the humans which eat the meat. Most notable are cardiac problems, impotency and general fatigue. These adverse effects are most directly associated with consumption of dog meat.
Experiments including laboratory dogs slaughtered in stressful conditions result in impotence of rats fed with the dog's meat. These results correlate with studies of humans in St. Georges, Utah.
Studies made of domestic farm animals (cattle, pigs and poultry), and of laboratory animals (dogs and rats) show in all cases elevated levels of steroid hormones, generally associated with adrenocortical secretions. Primary substances include adrenalin, cortisone-like secretions, and steroids which stimulate fear pheromone production. All of these are known to result in poor health and poor vitality. This study confirms this link in food consumed by humans.
http://www.scn.org/~bk269/fear.html0 -
Meat eater but not a true bloody red meat carnivore. I don't have a lot of red meat in my diet. I love my chicken though!0
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the problem with this topic is that it is impossible to debate the dietary benefits of eating meat ,or not, without people coming in with ulterior motives. with all due respect to vegans who choose the lifestyle for ethical and not primarily health reasons thats not what this thread was asking. I do respect your point of view but i don't share it. personally i am only interested in improving my health and living the healthiest way i can, and if i truly believed giving up meat would get me there i would do it, but i don't believe guys like vegasauras would care what way is healthiest ,because that doesn't come off as his main concern.He just uses the health argument as a weapon. listing to health arguments from someone so prejudiced agains meat consumption is like listening to Rush limbough to get you information on president Obama.
You and a few others have made this into a pissing contest. Just like most diet, a vegan, vegetarian, or other diet can be healthy if done correctly. A vegan can be unhealthy eating lots of prepackaged vegan food and cookies and junk, and a meat-eater can have repeated heart attacks from eating unhealthy take out for every meal.0 -
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have i said a vegan or vegetarian diet can't be healthy?the problem with this topic is that it is impossible to debate the dietary benefits of eating meat ,or not, without people coming in with ulterior motives. with all due respect to vegans who choose the lifestyle for ethical and not primarily health reasons thats not what this thread was asking. I do respect your point of view but i don't share it. personally i am only interested in improving my health and living the healthiest way i can, and if i truly believed giving up meat would get me there i would do it, but i don't believe guys like vegasauras would care what way is healthiest ,because that doesn't come off as his main concern.He just uses the health argument as a weapon. listing to health arguments from someone so prejudiced agains meat consumption is like listening to Rush limbough to get you information on president Obama.
You and a few others have made this into a pissing contest. Just like most diet, a vegan, vegetarian, or other diet can be healthy if done correctly. A vegan can be unhealthy eating lots of prepackaged vegan food and cookies and junk, and a meat-eater can have repeated heart attacks from eating unhealthy take out for every meal.0 -
have i said a vegan or vegetarian diet can't be healthy?the problem with this topic is that it is impossible to debate the dietary benefits of eating meat ,or not, without people coming in with ulterior motives. with all due respect to vegans who choose the lifestyle for ethical and not primarily health reasons thats not what this thread was asking. I do respect your point of view but i don't share it. personally i am only interested in improving my health and living the healthiest way i can, and if i truly believed giving up meat would get me there i would do it, but i don't believe guys like vegasauras would care what way is healthiest ,because that doesn't come off as his main concern.He just uses the health argument as a weapon. listing to health arguments from someone so prejudiced agains meat consumption is like listening to Rush limbough to get you information on president Obama.
You and a few others have made this into a pissing contest. Just like most diet, a vegan, vegetarian, or other diet can be healthy if done correctly. A vegan can be unhealthy eating lots of prepackaged vegan food and cookies and junk, and a meat-eater can have repeated heart attacks from eating unhealthy take out for every meal.
Probably. I haven't read everything you've written because most of it is pointless. But I have noticed you keep nitpicking veganism by telling vegans that there is still harm that comes from their diet in the way to bugs and animals dying in the process to get crops. It looks to me you just have a problem with veganism in general. Don't like it? No one is making you do it.0 -
you are making an incorrect assumption. i have NO problem with vegans in fact i respect any person who will deny themselves for their values but when comment are made derogatory towards people who don't share that view 9like accusing us of promoting cruelty) i will defend my self. besides once again this discussion wasnt supposed to be about the morality of meat consumption, and im not the one who got that started. i simply pointed out we are all participating in lifestyles that harm wildlife after we was told we are promoting cruelty.0
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I've been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for over 26 years. I stopped eating meat for two reasons. First, I love animals and hate the thought of consuming their flesh. I was sick a lot as a child. I had/have a LOT of allergies to foods, medicines and environmental stuff. I read an article about people with antibiotic allergies getting sick from eating animals that had been treated with the antibiotics. It bothered me to eat meat anyway, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to be try being a vegetarian. For me, it made a huge impact on my health. I was no longer sick constantly.
So I became a vegetarian for both ethical and health issues. It was the right decision for me as I felt better emotionally and physically. My husband is not a vegetarian, though, and that is his choice. However, I will not cook meat for him, so he only eats meat when we go out to eat or go to meat eating family/friend homes.0 -
you are making an incorrect assumption. i have NO problem with vegans in fact i respect any person who will deny themselves for their values but when comment are made derogatory towards people who don't share that view 9like accusing us of promoting cruelty) i will defend my self. besides once again this discussion wasnt supposed to be about the morality of meat consumption, and im not the one who got that started.
But you continued it.0 -
Omnivore.
I eat both meat, plants and seeds.0 -
I LOVVVVVVVVE MEAT! MEAT MEAT MEAT MEAT! That's why a low carb lifestyle works best for me.0
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the problem with this topic is that it is impossible to debate the dietary benefits of eating meat ,or not, without people coming in with ulterior motives. with all due respect to vegans who choose the lifestyle for ethical and not primarily health reasons thats not what this thread was asking. I do respect your point of view but i don't share it. personally i am only interested in improving my health and living the healthiest way i can, and if i truly believed giving up meat would get me there i would do it, but i don't believe guys like vegasauras would care what way is healthiest ,because that doesn't come off as his main concern.He just uses the health argument as a weapon. listing to health arguments from someone so prejudiced agains meat consumption is like listening to Rush limbough to get you information on president Obama.
You are 100% right, and I have said as much. I would not eat meat even if it decreased my lifespan 20 years (and at my age, that would be quite significant!) And yes, I do argue health benefits because arguing the ethics of meat to the average American would be, like you say trying to persuade Rush Limbough to become a liberal. This country is so far off base on so many things it is pathetic.
However, do NOT make the mistake of thinking that just because I and others are in it for the ethics that veganism is not also extremely healthy. From my point of view, I would just say it is an issue of karma - we live right and are respectful of other sentient beings, and the universe rewards us with longer life. Yes, I know that is simplistic, but no more simplistic than most religions. In any event, that is why I constantly rely upon scientific studies to make my point. Science will never back my ideas on karma, and that is fine. But science will strongly show that the vegetarian lifestyle is the healthiest.0
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