Concealing & carrying pistols while running/working out

Eventually your government will fail as ALL governments have in history. Who will protect you then? Do you think those gunless bobbies will give two hoots about weather or not you are protected when **** falls apart? Keep telling yourself that you have no need and you will be safe. You live in a dream land of false safety....As for me and my family well we will be protected.

Eh... When "**** falls apart"? What exactly do you think is going to happen? Aliens? Zombie attacks?

I'm confused??

Hmmm how bout this? Our world economy is crumbling Do you think the government is going to protect you from the rioting masses of the unprepared.

Or when a hurricane hits and we are lawless for two weeks. Yeah.. I have lived thru that already.

BOOM!

*sigh*
I give up. I'm sad for America, I really am.

the top picture is in Europe at least according to the site I took it from

I find it amusing on how you take his words and twist them to fit your post. Also I have never heard of a story in my state where a person ever got into trouble by shooting someone who was attacking or robbing them regardless of where they were the the shooting occurred. If you are in danger of losing your life then you are in the right. . Look up Castle Law/Retreat Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine) Where I live it takes the police 30 minutes to respond to a call. The main reason I now own a gun and carry one most places is I got tired of fighting/getting threatened by my crazy ex and all her meth head tweaker friends.

This is America and I find it crazy that you ***** and moan about a citizen, who by all intensive purposes for this argument, is legally exercising he second amendment rights.

Now you are twisting my words, because I never spoke against anyone owning a weapon. I did say you have right to protect your home and own a weapon to do so. I am not comfortable with concealed and open carry, because of the variation in training from state. I find a mandatory class of a few hours insufficient. There are some gun owners who carry who are well trained and truly don't want to have to use their weapon, but then there are the wingnuts and I don't believe there are adequate barriers to restrict those wingnuts from carrying a weapon. That is my personal preference.

But back to your comments, the original post said that he don't need the government, that metropolitan areas only need them because we can't do for ourselves. He also said you are self-sufficient and that governments failed. Now, I don't see how any American' is not offended by those remarks. I still have not gotten an example of when America, from the local, state to federal level has failed him.

Now you say police are 30 minutes away. So does that also mean that if you have a medical emergency or fire that you have to wait 30 minutes for help as well. Well that is not America failing you, that is you failing your family, believing that intruders are the only thing you need to protect them from. Your family is more likely to experience a fire or medical emergency than a break-in. A gun will help you with an intruder, but how do you protect your family from danger, you call for help.

I have worked with law enforcement, first responders and armed forces and see the hard work and sacrifices they make to make America better. It's too bad you have so little faith in them. As a journalist I have interviewed families who's loved ones were killed or severely injured in action and I have covered those who have rescued lives, prevented and intervened in crimes and gone above the call of duty. Funny thing is there are way more stories like this, then of homeowners saving their families from bad guys. Yes this does happen and yes you have a duty to protect your family, but no you are not the law and protecting yourself and your family does not negate the need for law enforcement, first responders, firefighters and the courts.

Speaking of courts. I don't know what state you live in, but unless you are in a stand your ground state you have the duty to retreat. I have worked in Texas where damn near everybody has a gun. I covered two murder trials, that's right murder where the accused shot someone in self-defense, but the person was retreating. In one case, a father shot his daughter's abusive boyfriend, but he shot in the back as was leaving and already off the man's property. The two definitely had been fighting, but the boyfriend was no longer considered a threat once he retreated. Another case a college student woke up to two armed men in his room. He was a football player and managed to fight and get the gun from one of the guys. The guys ran, once the left his room, they were no longer considered on his property. He shot one of them in the leg, the guy died from the bleed. The college student was tried and convicted of murder. In New York, which has some of the strictest gun laws, a group of white teens showed to a black teens house on Long Island. The teens had been bullying the boy and his father came out with a gun to tell them to go home, but one of the teens got into a physical fight with the father. the father shot and killed the teen, he was convicted of involuntary manslaughter, btw it happened in his driveway.

So shooting and killing someone who you feel is a threat is not so black and white. Regardless of the state the police, courts and jury have to believe that the threat was legitimate and even though some of these cases the threat seemed very legitimate to the average person, it may not play out that way in court. I would never say don't protect your family. I would never say don't have a gun in your home to protect your family. But even with a gun, I wouldn't be naive enough to assume that I am a one man army either.

Eventually your government will fail as ALL governments have in history. Who will protect you then? Do you think those gunless bobbies will give two hoots about weather or not you are protected when **** falls apart? Keep telling yourself that you have no need and you will be safe. You live in a dream land of false safety....As for me and my family well we will be protected.

Eh... When "**** falls apart"? What exactly do you think is going to happen? Aliens? Zombie attacks?

I'm confused??

Hmmm how bout this? Our world economy is crumbling Do you think the government is going to protect you from the rioting masses of the unprepared.

Or when a hurricane hits and we are lawless for two weeks. Yeah.. I have lived thru that already.

BOOM!

*sigh*
I give up. I'm sad for America, I really am.

You have no reason to feel sorry for us. We have and always will come to your and anyone else's defense when they are threatened by tyranny. In the mean time feel free to wring your hands and gnash your teeth at us. When things get REAL, that's when we show up.

Oh FYI those photos are from protests in England, so take care.

I find it amusing on how you take his words and twist them to fit your post. Also I have never heard of a story in my state where a person ever got into trouble by shooting someone who was attacking or robbing them regardless of where they were the the shooting occurred. If you are in danger of losing your life then you are in the right. . Look up Castle Law/Retreat Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine) Where I live it takes the police 30 minutes to respond to a call. The main reason I now own a gun and carry one most places is I got tired of fighting/getting threatened by my crazy ex and all her meth head tweaker friends.

This is America and I find it crazy that you ***** and moan about a citizen, who by all intensive purposes for this argument, is legally exercising he second amendment rights.

Now you are twisting my words, because I never spoke against anyone owning a weapon. I did say you have right to protect your home and own a weapon to do so. I am not comfortable with concealed and open carry, because of the variation in training from state. I find a mandatory class of a few hours insufficient. There are some gun owners who carry who are well trained and truly don't want to have to use their weapon, but then there are the wingnuts and I don't believe there are adequate barriers to restrict those wingnuts from carrying a weapon. That is my personal preference.

But back to your comments, the original post said that he don't need the government, that metropolitan areas only need them because we can't do for ourselves. He also said you are self-sufficient and that governments failed. Now, I don't see how any American' is not offended by those remarks. I still have not gotten an example of when America, from the local, state to federal level has failed him.

Now you say police are 30 minutes away. So does that also mean that if you have a medical emergency or fire that you have to wait 30 minutes for help as well. Well that is not America failing you, that is you failing your family, believing that intruders are the only thing you need to protect them from. Your family is more likely to experience a fire or medical emergency than a break-in. A gun will help you with an intruder, but how do you protect your family from danger, you call for help.

I have worked with law enforcement, first responders and armed forces and see the hard work and sacrifices they make to make America better. It's too bad you have so little faith in them. As a journalist I have interviewed families who's loved ones were killed or severely injured in action and I have covered those who have rescued lives, prevented and intervened in crimes and gone above the call of duty. Funny thing is there are way more stories like this, then of homeowners saving their families from bad guys. Yes this does happen and yes you have a duty to protect your family, but no you are not the law and protecting yourself and your family does not negate the need for law enforcement, first responders, firefighters and the courts.

Speaking of courts. I don't know what state you live in, but unless you are in a stand your ground state you have the duty to retreat. I have worked in Texas where damn near everybody has a gun. I covered two murder trials, that's right murder where the accused shot someone in self-defense, but the person was retreating. In one case, a father shot his daughter's abusive boyfriend, but he shot in the back as was leaving and already off the man's property. The two definitely had been fighting, but the boyfriend was no longer considered a threat once he retreated. Another case a college student woke up to two armed men in his room. He was a football player and managed to fight and get the gun from one of the guys. The guys ran, once the left his room, they were no longer considered on his property. He shot one of them in the leg, the guy died from the bleed. The college student was tried and convicted of murder. In New York, which has some of the strictest gun laws, a group of white teens showed to a black teens house on Long Island. The teens had been bullying the boy and his father came out with a gun to tell them to go home, but one of the teens got into a physical fight with the father. the father shot and killed the teen, he was convicted of involuntary manslaughter, btw it happened in his driveway.

So shooting and killing someone who you feel is a threat is not so black and white. Regardless of the state the police, courts and jury have to believe that the threat was legitimate and even though some of these cases the threat seemed very legitimate to the average person, it may not play out that way in court. I would never say don't protect your family. I would never say don't have a gun in your home to protect your family. But even with a gun, I wouldn't be naive enough to assume that I am a one man army either.

I never said they had presently failed me personally... I'm saying they will. I can not count on them and neither should anyone else. Prepare yourself to count on no one and then when they let you down as they surely will you wont regret the mistake you made. Im not willing to bet my life or my families life or safety on a government organization that cant even figure out how to do a balanced budget. Let a lone respond to me in a timely manner when there is a critical emergency. Ill be prepared.

Just a point of reference the 2nd amendment doesn't require any training. That's another state law that's unconstitutional.

I'm starting to think you are one of the wingnuts I'm worried about. The second amendment only says

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Well that militia has evolved into the national guard and the right to bear arms is still alive and well. Law abiding citizen can still own a shotgun and can still own handguns. But no where does it say you have a right to walk around with a gun on your body. And considering the number of mass shootings we have had in recent years where people obtained their weapons and ammunition legally, you would think you, a gun owner wouldn't want the weapon in the hands of the people, who reflect negatively on the law abiding gun owner who only wants to protect his/her family. You would think you, a gun owner, would want other gun owners to know how to handle the weapon they are carrying, so that their actions won't promote either stricter gun laws that impact the law abiding gun owner. So before you call it unconstitutional for the government to require conceal carry permit holders to take a training class before the permit is granted, why don't you go educate yourself on the constitution. My profession, the only such profession protected by the constitution, freedom of the press in the first amendment still comes with limitations because in a free and civilized society, some behavior that may have been acceptable in the wild wild west is not anymore, and it shouldn't be. A gun in the wrong hands is dangerous to the public and to the gun owner. I want to live in a country where I don't have to worry if the people walking around with guns are mentally unstable or have a warped sense of fear while they are handling a deadly weapon. But those who know what they are doing, know how to handle their weapon, and only want to use if if they have to, well they are alright with me and I can't understand why that wouldn't be something you as a gun owner would want.

Hmmm how bout this? Our world economy is crumbling Do you think the government is going to protect you from the rioting

You have no reason to feel sorry for us. We have and always will come to your and anyone else's defense when they are threatened by tyranny. In the mean time feel free to wring your hands and gnash your teeth at us. When things get REAL, that's when we show up.

Oh FYI those photos are from protests in England, so take care.

I don't carry a gun because:
1. If I carry a gun that means I need to be prepared to use deadly force and I just don't know that I could do that. Some people might say "well, if you're in _____ situation you would" - I don't know. And if I'm not sure then I shouldn't be carrying.

You are absolutely right in your decision not to have a gun. Because I've been a gun enthusiast all my life and because of my profession people often ask me what kind of gun they should get for defense. I tell them that before that question can be answered they need to ask themselves if they could kill someone. If they can't honestly answer yes then they shouldn't get a gun for self defense. It's a big responsibility and is not to be taken lightly.

And...
2. Being female, I'd be afraid someone would take the gun away from me and use it on me! I'm pretty strong but I'm still a female and men are stronger, there's no way around it.

Weapon retention techniques aren't dependent on strength or size. I train people to hold onto their guns and when they correctly perform the technique I am unable to take the gun from them - even women. It's not something you learn once and you're good forever though.

Even with a Concealed weapon permit you can't shoot someone for "Taking your IPOD" they have to be threatening your life BIG DIFFERENCE. ....

Massive Delta. I think you need correcting on some points. The Government does not provide our healthcare, our police service - which incidentally does not feel the need to walk round with big guns otherwise known as phallic symbol, our fire service , sanitary service etc. We pay for these through our taxes and local taxes. If you are going to make statements about about government 'providing services', Insuggest you check your facts first. I thank God every day that I live in the Uk and not across the pond.
I'm having trouble understanding how taking my iPod is less serious than threatening my life. I mean, what's life without an iPod?

I also fail to see how someone can take your Ipod WITHOUT threatening your life.

"Give me your Ipod.
"No"
"Give me your Ipod or I will kill you (threat)

Now you have no choice, you MUST defend your life.

Damn straight.

Some people will snatch it and run.

And some will kill you reguardless.
Are you willing to make that gamble?

Gamble, you have a better chance of winning the mega millions than being killed for your IPod, especially since you are a MAN. Puhleeze

Wait... does that mean I AM going to have someone try to steal my iPod? Because I'm kinda counting on that mega millions win. It's my whole retirement plan.