Concealing & carrying pistols while running/working out

jg627

But criminals carry guns with the purpose of using them against a person. How is defending yourself from it "wacky"?

But why would a criminal want to shoot you? Honestly, I'm genuinely confused! I know criminals may want to steal your phone, money, purse etc. but just randomly shooting you for the fun of it seems a bit out there. No?

I wish...

SuperstarDJ

But criminals carry guns with the purpose of using them against a person. How is defending yourself from it "wacky"?

But why would a criminal want to shoot you? Honestly, I'm genuinely confused! I know criminals may want to steal your phone, money, purse etc. but just randomly shooting you for the fun of it seems a bit out there. No?

I wish...

Seriously?!? This actually happens? There are criminals who shoot others just for the fun of it? That's insane. Completely and utterly insane, and I am genuinely saddened if it's true.

half_moon

But criminals carry guns with the purpose of using them against a person. How is defending yourself from it "wacky"?

But why would a criminal want to shoot you? Honestly, I'm genuinely confused! I know criminals may want to steal your phone, money, purse etc. but just randomly shooting you for the fun of it seems a bit out there. No?

I wish...

Seriously?!? This actually happens? There are criminals who shoot others just for the fun of it? That's insane. Completely and utterly insane, and I am genuinely saddened if it's true.

Do you not own a TV?

smantha32

But criminals carry guns with the purpose of using them against a person. How is defending yourself from it "wacky"?

But why would a criminal want to shoot you? Honestly, I'm genuinely confused! I know criminals may want to steal your phone, money, purse etc. but just randomly shooting you for the fun of it seems a bit out there. No?

I wish...

Seriously?!? This actually happens? There are criminals who shoot others just for the fun of it? That's insane. Completely and utterly insane, and I am genuinely saddened if it's true.

It's true, and it happens all the time.

rybo

While I understand that opinions on the need to carry a gun are going to vary widely, I am amazed at the proufound (and irrational) fear that guns are inherently dangerous. It's as if even being in the same room as one is more dangerous than being in a room with a hungry lion.

Guns dont go off at random, and a secured gun (holster) is no more dangerous than a paper weight.

SuperstarDJ

But criminals carry guns with the purpose of using them against a person. How is defending yourself from it "wacky"?

But why would a criminal want to shoot you? Honestly, I'm genuinely confused! I know criminals may want to steal your phone, money, purse etc. but just randomly shooting you for the fun of it seems a bit out there. No?

I wish...

Seriously?!? This actually happens? There are criminals who shoot others just for the fun of it? That's insane. Completely and utterly insane, and I am genuinely saddened if it's true.

Do you not own a TV?

Yes, I do own a TV but I don't live in the US so we only get your larger news stories over here.

Culley34

I never really think about this when running around Boston-- granted the areas are generally very safe when it comes to street crime and without looking up the stats, I would say the majority of assaults are against women. Generally speaking, there are areas I do avoid, but even when I've run by the projects in different parts of the city -- I've never had any issues. There was a guy who did run with me for about 200 meters asking me if I needed any drugs...

Typically, I run when the sun is either coming up or setting. If I'm running when it's dark, I'll run with a friend or a roommate.

Also, the only thing I take with me on runs is my housekeys-- no wallet, credit card, ipod, cash etc... The only legitimate reason someone would have stopping me is if they were actually looking for a fight. Seeing as how I don't wear jewelry, I guess I keep the incentive low.

wellbert

But criminals carry guns with the purpose of using them against a person. How is defending yourself from it "wacky"?

But why would a criminal want to shoot you? Honestly, I'm genuinely confused! I know criminals may want to steal your phone, money, purse etc. but just randomly shooting you for the fun of it seems a bit out there. No?

I wish...

Seriously?!? This actually happens? There are criminals who shoot others just for the fun of it? That's insane. Completely and utterly insane, and I am genuinely saddened if it's true.

Do you not own a TV?

Yes, I do own a TV but I don't live in the US so we only get your larger news stories over here.

what country do you live in?

there are criminals that kill people with (insert item here) for fun everywhere.

Prahasaurus

Crime did double in england since gun restriction laws were enacted. I just looked it up now myself.

In 2009, there were 9,146 murders in the USA due to firearms. In the UK in 2008, there were 39. If you adjust the number up for the UK to reflect the lower population compared to the US, you'd have the equivalent of 195 firearm murders. Still significantly lower than what exists in the USA.

Just to repeat: in the USA, over 9,000 gun murders per year. In the UK, 39.

http://www.juancole.com/2011/01/over-9000-murders-by-gun-in-us-39-in-uk.html

The culture of fear in the USA, with every Tom, ****, and Dirty Harry armed to the teeth, means more gun deaths. More guns equals more gun deaths.

When everyday people (non law enforcement) are jogging with guns, something has gone terribly wrong within the culture.

--P

Midnight_Sunshine

How best would I carry one of these for running?

'Cause pistols just piss grizzly bears off.

BPayton27

Interesting thread. I was just thinking about this yesterday. I usually run my street, but yesterday I ventured into the park (across the road) and down the trail....that goes into the woods. It was mid-day, but I was alone. If someone had been in there waiting, I would have been unprepared. I don't own a weapon, but if I did I might.

I think I'll stay out of there from now on.

susiebear29

Dear God, running with knives and guns?!?!? What?!?

I am very glad I live in Europe!

^^^SAME HERE!!!!^^^ I can't quite believe what I am reading!!! I think I have had a very sheltered life in my quiet little town in England and I am more than happy to keep it that way!!! I am sorry that some of you have to even consider carrying a weapon for fear of being attacked in your own neighbourhoods, keep safe everyone!!

dmpizza

I have lived in areas with high crime and I just didn't carry anything worth stealing.

Midnight_Sunshine

I have lived in areas with high crime and I just didn't carry anything worth stealing.

Except your virginity

Fozzi43

I'd be arrested if I was found with a pistol in my pocket :noway:

That said..if I am running I do carry a small knife in my socks

melindadunston

I carry mace.

Sarah47201

I have my CCW permit and carry a Beretta PX4 Storm 9mm. I have a belt holster with a secure latch - like the police wear - to keep it from falling out when I'm out in the woods. I also carry pepper spray around my neck for the stray dog or bobcat because I don't want to shoot anything unless it's a last option and my life is in danger. Occasionally it does irritate me when climbing hills because it is the standard size and not a compact or sub-compact...but with cougars in this area don't want to risk it.

penrbrown

How best would I carry one of these for running?

'Cause pistols just piss grizzly bears off.

And how would you carry one of THESE if you were running?

I guess I just run too hard but the thought of carrying anything boggles my mind.

rmf626

I have 2 back scabards for my pump action shotguns. If you've seen Woody Harrelsons character in Zombieland, you'll know what I mean.. You hardly know that they are there when you're out running.

Hahaha! Love it.

Swissmiss

I had a police officer in my town tell me that I should carry one. I don't know if I could use one, though. The officer's thought was that it is better to be before 12 than to be carried by 6.

wellbert

How best would I carry one of these for running?

'Cause pistols just piss grizzly bears off.

And how would you carry one of THESE if you were running?

I guess I just run too hard but the thought of carrying anything boggles my mind.

military does, plus a huge pack.
don't be a sissy!

MassiveDelta

I find this whole thread extremely fascinating. The difference between the rest of the world and Americans is kind of in glaring proof here.

Yes you guys have provided links to articles of gun violence in other countries but you'll note the majority of posters from other countries don't see the need to carry a gun - it's a foreign concept to them. This should speak far more loudly then any articles.

Whereas many of the Americans on this page not only express a desire to have a gun but many of them already DO have one.

I'm not making judgments, just pointing out what I'm reading in all these pages and I think it's rather interesting and telling.

The point is glaring...American (gun owners) dont feel the need for a government entity to provide them with protection. Nor do we trust them to provide us with the personal protection we need for our self and our family. The congested urban areas do. That's why highly populated metropolitan areas tend to vote democrat because they need the government to provide services for them instead of providing them on their own. Democrats are dependent on outside entity. Relying on some one else to provide that for you is a recipe for failure. If you Europeans, Australians and Canadians want to sit back and enjoy the psuedo comfort of your government supplying you with a false sense of protection you are more than welcome.

We are glad you live over there too
Stay over their and keep your European ideas to yourself.

Eventually your government will fail as ALL governments have in history. Who will protect you then? Do you think those gunless bobbies will give two hoots about weather or not you are protected when **** falls apart? Keep telling yourself that you have no need and you will be safe. You live in a dream land of false safety. You think that you are protected but when it actually comes down to it, No one is looking out for you and your family except you. In America, gun owners not criminals, have a sense of responsibility for themselves, their family, and their property. We dont expect anyone to come to our rescue. We are self sufficient and dont need a government to help us. If you trust your government congratulations. I hope that works out well for you. I hope on your life that you never have to experience it. As for me and my family well we will be protected.

Quoted for emphasis

To reiterate, the folks suggesting its unnecessary. You dont know any of us. You dont know where we live or the dangers we may encounter. You dont know how we grew up or how familiar we are with guns or weapons. You dont understand guns as all of you have basically suggested so why would you try to explain what you dont understand or what you fear to those of us that are comfortable and trained?

Do you have an answer to the OP's question? No then this is not a debate thread. run along.

Those who suggest we move? Really? We just pick up and move so we can run? Who cares about our families right? OR even if we are single. This is such a great economy to move in. Lots of Jobs and plenty of money for moving expenses. More importantly how far would you have me move? Sat. I'm scheduled to run 14 miles. Im going to run through alot of different neighborhoods and environments. It is better for me to be prepared for what I may encounter than to wish later that I had been more prepared.

OP I run on a trail sometimes that is an old railroad track that was converted and it runs for 20 miles through woods and farmland. Its dark and secluded. I am midway through my marathon training and I'm definitely going to start carrying pepper spray or mace. I've thought about a weapon but I'm afraid the bulk would be too much. However; I strongly encourage those who need to or want to carry to find a solution.

Gramps251

I live within 4 miles of Detroit and don't feel the need to carry or even own a weapon but to each their own.

NoleGirl0918

Bump for later - would like to know options for this also.

jg627

Crime did double in england since gun restriction laws were enacted. I just looked it up now myself.

In 2009, there were 9,146 murders in the USA due to firearms. In the UK in 2008, there were 39. If you adjust the number up for the UK to reflect the lower population compared to the US, you'd have the equivalent of 195 firearm murders. Still significantly lower than what exists in the USA.

Just to repeat: in the USA, over 9,000 gun murders per year. In the UK, 39.

http://www.juancole.com/2011/01/over-9000-murders-by-gun-in-us-39-in-uk.html

The culture of fear in the USA, with every Tom, ****, and Dirty Harry armed to the teeth, means more gun deaths. More guns equals more gun deaths.

When everyday people (non law enforcement) are jogging with guns, something has gone terribly wrong within the culture.

--P

So you're saying that the crime in england went up because you hate red necks?

Midnight_Sunshine

military does, plus a huge pack.
don't be a sissy!

Yep at like 4am with a 50lb pack and a sergeant yelling at you.


Hawt.

renku

Wow, just another naive Canadian here, I was surprised to see this was a serious topic.

angelamuse

I'm an American and I feel no need to carry a gun while running. I do carry pepper spray, but this is because I was attacked by a dog once by running. I run in citites, town, trails, etc and have never felt scared or like I needed a gun. Isn't it a fact that more people are killed with their own handgun then protected?

Midnight_Sunshine

Wow, just another naive Canadian here, I was surprised to see this was a serious topic.

As another Canadian....

.... I thought they were talking about wolves, bears and moose.


Moose are the worse. You would think one of the meat eaters but nope. F**cking herbivore.

12skipafew99100

Dear God, running with knives and guns?!?!? What?!?

I am very glad I live in Europe!

Yea, we all know there is no crime in Europe.