Concealing & carrying pistols while running/working out
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The NRA (National Rifle Association) is far and away THE most powerful political lobby in the US, and work very hard to convince otherwise rational Americans that their right to own firearms is under constant threat. It isn't.
No. AIPAC, the Israeli lobby. But the NRA is a close second.
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This is why you carry a gun. For all of those who say I live in a quiet, safe area you probably due. And your chance of being a crime victim is extremely low (just as it is for most people). I personally have been mugged twice in 49 years and both times simply drawing my weapon caused the assailant to decide it would be better to be somewhere else.
Just found out my baby sister was mugged yesterday while out jogging in St Augustine, FL. ****ers took her cell phone and wedding/engagement rings but thankfully didnt touch her - it was broad daylight in a nice neighborhood. She said it happened very fast- car pulled up in front of her, the two urban yutes got out the passenger doors, displayed a knife, said "give me the phone and rings *****", back in car and gone. She realizes that she is uber lucky not to have been snatched.
The only happy ending was they did catch the *kitten* fairly quickly- someone saw it go down from their house, called the cops and a patrol car was nearby. The neighbors that saw it go down came out and took my sister into their home as she went hysterical. There were three gang members between the ages of 15 and 17 - she IDed the two, recovered her rings and cell phone and the entire time she was being cursed out by these yutes who claimed alternately that they found everything on a bench or that they bought the items from her. In the car she said the cops pulled out some other loot from others they had mugged in the general area over the previous hour (which is why a patrol car was nearby apparently- they were trying to find them)
She normally carries but decided "she didnt need a pistol" on her while simply running around her white picket fence neighborhood at 9 AM. That attitude has now changed and she is going to run with a fanny pack or belly band that has quick access to the gun. Being Florida she runs typically in underamor compression gear (shorts and tank top). Her normal carry piece is a Combat Commander but she is going out shopping for a smaller, lighter piece tonight.
For running I told her to look at something in stainless and/or polymer with a stainless slide due to sweat.
So she was unharmed, and they caught the perpetuators. OK.
And better would have been for her to pull out a weapon and start firing at 3 gang members?? Probably ending up in the hospital, possibly dead, with massive hospital/legal bills, and that's all assuming she didn't accidentally kill any innocent bystanders.
For every one attack that is prevented thanks to the jogger carrying a weapon, there are probably two or three more accidental deaths or serious injuries from the same people leaving the gun around unattended, or shooting themselves in the foot, or whatever. Not to mention more people jogging in dangerous areas thinking a gun will help them, when in reality they are attacked before they even have a chance to pull out their gun.
It's mainly posturing. People are watching too many Clint Eastwood movies, with a secret fantasy to make someone's day.
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What weapon are you hoping to carry? My wife has a Ruger LC9 and it just a tad bigger than the .380 version and will conceal well in a fanny pack. We got this gun for the fact that it is light, portable, concealable and a 9mm packs more stopping power than the .380 with the right ammo load-out. If you are going to get a fanny pack be sure that it is a good fit for your particular firearm, if you cant get the weapon in or out QUICKLY every time its not the right pack for you. Your safety depends on this so never compromise!
If you got any questions about that particular firearm PM me and ill be happy to share any honest info about it. I have some range time with it and its surprisingly nice for its compact size. Also look at the Smith and Wesson M&P series, I own the M&P 9c and it carry it daily...might be a bit big for running but they just released the M&P shield which is getting great reviews. If fanny packs are not your thing take a look at belly bands.
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This is why you carry a gun. For all of those who say I live in a quiet, safe area you probably due. And your chance of being a crime victim is extremely low (just as it is for most people). I personally have been mugged twice in 49 years and both times simply drawing my weapon caused the assailant to decide it would be better to be somewhere else.
Just found out my baby sister was mugged yesterday while out jogging in St Augustine, FL. ****ers took her cell phone and wedding/engagement rings but thankfully didnt touch her - it was broad daylight in a nice neighborhood. She said it happened very fast- car pulled up in front of her, the two urban yutes got out the passenger doors, displayed a knife, said "give me the phone and rings *****", back in car and gone. She realizes that she is uber lucky not to have been snatched.
The only happy ending was they did catch the *kitten* fairly quickly- someone saw it go down from their house, called the cops and a patrol car was nearby. The neighbors that saw it go down came out and took my sister into their home as she went hysterical. There were three gang members between the ages of 15 and 17 - she IDed the two, recovered her rings and cell phone and the entire time she was being cursed out by these yutes who claimed alternately that they found everything on a bench or that they bought the items from her. In the car she said the cops pulled out some other loot from others they had mugged in the general area over the previous hour (which is why a patrol car was nearby apparently- they were trying to find them)
She normally carries but decided "she didnt need a pistol" on her while simply running around her white picket fence neighborhood at 9 AM. That attitude has now changed and she is going to run with a fanny pack or belly band that has quick access to the gun. Being Florida she runs typically in underamor compression gear (shorts and tank top). Her normal carry piece is a Combat Commander but she is going out shopping for a smaller, lighter piece tonight.
For running I told her to look at something in stainless and/or polymer with a stainless slide due to sweat.
So she was unharmed, and they caught the perpetuators. OK.
And better would have been for her to pull out a weapon and start firing at 3 gang members?? Probably ending up in the hospital, possibly dead, with massive hospital/legal bills, and that's all assuming she didn't accidentally kill any innocent bystanders.
For every one attack that is prevented thanks to the jogger carrying a weapon, there are probably two or three more accidental deaths or serious injuries from the same people leaving the gun around unattended, or shooting themselves in the foot, or whatever. Not to mention more people jogging in dangerous areas thinking a gun will help them, when in reality they are attacked before they even have a chance to pull out their gun.
It's mainly posturing. People are watching too many Clint Eastwood movies, with a secret fantasy to make someone's day.
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Millions of gun owners manage to own guns their entire lives without killing anyone accidentally or shooting themselves in the feet. You're listening to too much liberal media hype.
Thousands of people defend themselves successfully with firearms every day.. even without killing their attackers. The biased media don't want you knowing that part however.0 -
This is why you carry a gun. For all of those who say I live in a quiet, safe area you probably due. And your chance of being a crime victim is extremely low (just as it is for most people). I personally have been mugged twice in 49 years and both times simply drawing my weapon caused the assailant to decide it would be better to be somewhere else.
Just found out my baby sister was mugged yesterday while out jogging in St Augustine, FL. ****ers took her cell phone and wedding/engagement rings but thankfully didnt touch her - it was broad daylight in a nice neighborhood. She said it happened very fast- car pulled up in front of her, the two urban yutes got out the passenger doors, displayed a knife, said "give me the phone and rings *****", back in car and gone. She realizes that she is uber lucky not to have been snatched.
The only happy ending was they did catch the *kitten* fairly quickly- someone saw it go down from their house, called the cops and a patrol car was nearby. The neighbors that saw it go down came out and took my sister into their home as she went hysterical. There were three gang members between the ages of 15 and 17 - she IDed the two, recovered her rings and cell phone and the entire time she was being cursed out by these yutes who claimed alternately that they found everything on a bench or that they bought the items from her. In the car she said the cops pulled out some other loot from others they had mugged in the general area over the previous hour (which is why a patrol car was nearby apparently- they were trying to find them)
She normally carries but decided "she didnt need a pistol" on her while simply running around her white picket fence neighborhood at 9 AM. That attitude has now changed and she is going to run with a fanny pack or belly band that has quick access to the gun. Being Florida she runs typically in underamor compression gear (shorts and tank top). Her normal carry piece is a Combat Commander but she is going out shopping for a smaller, lighter piece tonight.
For running I told her to look at something in stainless and/or polymer with a stainless slide due to sweat.
So she was unharmed, and they caught the perpetuators. OK.
And better would have been for her to pull out a weapon and start firing at 3 gang members?? Probably ending up in the hospital, possibly dead, with massive hospital/legal bills, and that's all assuming she didn't accidentally kill any innocent bystanders.
For every one attack that is prevented thanks to the jogger carrying a weapon, there are probably two or three more accidental deaths or serious injuries from the same people leaving the gun around unattended, or shooting themselves in the foot, or whatever. Not to mention more people jogging in dangerous areas thinking a gun will help them, when in reality they are attacked before they even have a chance to pull out their gun.
It's mainly posturing. People are watching too many Clint Eastwood movies, with a secret fantasy to make someone's day.
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Last i checked there was a person asking for help on a fitness related issue. Why dont you stop judging people on their beliefs and go troll elsewhere0 -
This is one of the funniest threads I have ever read in my life.
The ignorance of people that think that everyone in America has a gun, we all run around waving them everywhere, and that people basically think that we can go to Target and buy one off the shelf.
Hilarious.
Are we so very wrong? Here's a satellite TV company offering a free gun (or pizza!) with every purchase: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/28/montana-radio-shack-offers-free-gun-or-pizza-with-satellite-tv-purchase/
And here's a car dealership doing the same: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7416120.stm
(WHY aren't links live on MFP?)
Yes I'm afraid that is wrong. Most of them will knock that amount of money off of the price of the vehicle, you still have to go to a gun store and get that gun yourself so the backround check and any state laws can be followed. As an incorporated company they can not deal in or transfer a firearm without a FFL (Federal Firearm License). Anyone with an FFL that sells a firearm without a backround check has violated federal law.
It is a game to draw attention to their sale. I don't even think they can even pay for it, which is why they will knock that amount of money off of the price of the vehicle (which they make up for in other ways). One of the questions on the backround check asks if you are purchasing the weapon for someone else. If you say yes the sale is denied because the future owner must also be the person paying.0 -
I'm not anti-gun, but I think the stats speak for themselves. You're more likely to be injured in a gun accident than you are to successfully defend yourself with a gun.
The injury rate approaches 0 if one is not an idiot and obeys a few very simple rules.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of idiots out there. It's unsettling to think that anyone around me could be carrying.
On the bright side, at least most of them only hurt themselves.
Ever seen that video of the guy shooting himself while teaching gun safety?0 -
i'm just thankfull its not even remotely required, considered or needed. North west England.0
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Last i checked there was a person asking for help on a fitness related issue. Why dont you stop judging people on their beliefs and go troll elsewhere
Carrying a weapon is a fitness related question? LOL.
And this thread left the rails about 13 pages back.
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Last i checked there was a person asking for help on a fitness related issue. Why dont you stop judging people on their beliefs and go troll elsewhere
Carrying a weapon is a fitness related question? LOL.
And this thread left the rails about 13 pages back.
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Actually it was a fitness question originally. I feared it would become a political punching bag and it has. If I do get a weapon I just want it for safety. My ultimate hope is when I do carry, is I never have to use it.
Like I said, my area has a history not too far in the past. The a cop was shot up in his patrol car as two carjackers walked up and opened fire, before he could get out of his car.0 -
Imagine the London riots plus guns - you think it would have been BETTER?
The idea of normal people going running with guns strapped to them is absolutely mind-boggling and terrifying to me, and reminds me that for all our similarities, the UK and America are very different places.
If I was running in a rough area I might take a rape alarm I guess.
I agree with you completely and I am an American living in Chicago, where crime is rampant and concealed carry is illegal. My personal opinion is that maybe if those criminals didn't have such easy access to guns then there wouldn't be so many shootings. Carrying a weapon seems completely unnecessary to me--I feel it would more likely be used against me than anything else or because of the wind I feel that mace or pepper spray would end up in my face instead. It kind of boggles my mind that anyone would carry a gun when running.0 -
Just read about major gun Crimes in France and Canada in the last two days...Glad they don't have any violent crimes there.
Europe is a continent with 50 different countries, each with their own government (or equivalent) and their own laws. France is only 1 country. I can only speak for my own European country where yes, we do have crime but the average person does not own a gun and the cops don't even carry guns. Until I travelled abroad and saw police carrying firearms, I had never even seen a gun. Of course there are criminal gangs and drug dealers who carry guns over here but that's so they can blow the heads off each other and if a gangster/drug dealer wants to shoot another gangster/drug dealer then let them off I say. One less scumbag gangster/drug dealer in the world, and I'm 100% fine with that (might not be a popular view but I'm not exactly a bleeding heart liberal). The rest of us have no need for firearms that could be used against us anyway if the perpetrator is bigger/stronger.0 -
People in the military and law enforcement are people too and they can get fat just like the rest of us. I would imagine they would have this problem. Even terrorists maybe want to lose some weight. It's a valid question and nobody knows the OP's business but the OP.
Imagine the London riots plus guns - you think it would have been BETTER?
The idea of normal people going running with guns strapped to them is absolutely mind-boggling and terrifying to me, and reminds me that for all our similarities, the UK and America are very different places.
If I was running in a rough area I might take a rape alarm I guess.
I agree with you completely and I am an American living in Chicago, where crime is rampant and concealed carry is illegal. My personal opinion is that maybe if those criminals didn't have such easy access to guns then there wouldn't be so many shootings. Carrying a weapon seems completely unnecessary to me--I feel it would more likely be used against me than anything else or because of the wind I feel that mace or pepper spray would end up in my face instead. It kind of boggles my mind that anyone would carry a gun when running.0 -
Oh my god... I am having trouble breathing here... Thank you SO much for giving me the biggest giggle I've had all year! That's classicEven terrorists maybe want to lose some weight. It's a valid question and nobody knows the OP's business but the OP.
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I find this whole thread extremely fascinating. The difference between the rest of the world and Americans is kind of in glaring proof here.
Yes you guys have provided links to articles of gun violence in other countries but you'll note the majority of posters from other countries don't see the need to carry a gun - it's a foreign concept to them. This should speak far more loudly then any articles.
Whereas many of the Americans on this page not only express a desire to have a gun but many of them already DO have one.
I'm not making judgments, just pointing out what I'm reading in all these pages and I think it's rather interesting and telling.0 -
I know plenty of people in Germany who have swords. Guns can at least be used for hunting. There's not much use in chasing down a deer with a 15th century langen schwert. I say make this thread about those decadent germans.I find this whole thread extremely fascinating. The difference between the rest of the world and Americans is kind of in glaring proof here.
Yes you guys have provided links to articles of gun violence in other countries but you'll note the majority of posters from other countries don't see the need to carry a gun - it's a foreign concept to them. This should speak far more loudly then any articles.
Whereas many of the Americans on this page not only express a desire to have a gun but many of them already DO have one.
I'm not making judgments, just pointing out what I'm reading in all these pages and I think it's rather interesting and telling.0 -
I find this whole thread extremely fascinating. The difference between the rest of the world and Americans is kind of in glaring proof here.
Yes you guys have provided links to articles of gun violence in other countries but you'll note the majority of posters from other countries don't see the need to carry a gun - it's a foreign concept to them. This should speak far more loudly then any articles.
Whereas many of the Americans on this page not only express a desire to have a gun but many of them already DO have one.
I'm not making judgments, just pointing out what I'm reading in all these pages and I think it's rather interesting and telling.
It's because topics like this attract gun owners. The overwhelming majority of Americans neither own nor carry guns.0 -
I find this whole thread extremely fascinating. The difference between the rest of the world and Americans is kind of in glaring proof here.
Yes you guys have provided links to articles of gun violence in other countries but you'll note the majority of posters from other countries don't see the need to carry a gun - it's a foreign concept to them. This should speak far more loudly then any articles.
Whereas many of the Americans on this page not only express a desire to have a gun but many of them already DO have one.
I'm not making judgments, just pointing out what I'm reading in all these pages and I think it's rather interesting and telling.
you're forgetting that the far majority of Americans that dont have a pistol, or are not interested in them, are not going to even open this thread.
they already know the basic argument that always arises from the topic.0 -
In the words of Tuco Ramirez: "Not one, lots of em"...
Whereas many of the Americans on this page not only express a desire to have a gun but many of them already DO have one.
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Imagine the London riots plus guns - you think it would have been BETTER?
The idea of normal people going running with guns strapped to them is absolutely mind-boggling and terrifying to me, and reminds me that for all our similarities, the UK and America are very different places.
If I was running in a rough area I might take a rape alarm I guess.
I agree with you completely and I am an American living in Chicago, where crime is rampant and concealed carry is illegal. My personal opinion is that maybe if those criminals didn't have such easy access to guns then there wouldn't be so many shootings. Carrying a weapon seems completely unnecessary to me--I feel it would more likely be used against me than anything else or because of the wind I feel that mace or pepper spray would end up in my face instead. It kind of boggles my mind that anyone would carry a gun when running.
The argument is a simple one.
If you have to worry about that guy shooting you.... You wont contribute to the riot.
Thats why London and Chicago, both citys where its 'illegal'... have riots.
and other areas of the US where we are free to protect ourselves.... dont.0 -
I know plenty of people in Germany who have swords. Guns can at least be used for hunting. There's not much use in chasing down a deer with a 15th century langen schwert. I say make this thread about those decadent germans.I find this whole thread extremely fascinating. The difference between the rest of the world and Americans is kind of in glaring proof here.
Yes you guys have provided links to articles of gun violence in other countries but you'll note the majority of posters from other countries don't see the need to carry a gun - it's a foreign concept to them. This should speak far more loudly then any articles.
Whereas many of the Americans on this page not only express a desire to have a gun but many of them already DO have one.
I'm not making judgments, just pointing out what I'm reading in all these pages and I think it's rather interesting and telling.
THAT'S why my brother owns so many swords! HAHA! Must be a German thing.
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I find this whole thread extremely fascinating. The difference between the rest of the world and Americans is kind of in glaring proof here.
Yes you guys have provided links to articles of gun violence in other countries but you'll note the majority of posters from other countries don't see the need to carry a gun - it's a foreign concept to them. This should speak far more loudly then any articles.
Whereas many of the Americans on this page not only express a desire to have a gun but many of them already DO have one.
I'm not making judgments, just pointing out what I'm reading in all these pages and I think it's rather interesting and telling.
you're forgetting that the far majority of Americans that dont have a pistol, or are not interested in them, are not going to even open this thread.
they already know the basic argument that always arises from the topic.
You're right. I did forget that. I still find the thread fascinating.
I don't own a weapon. I opened this thread because I was curious how one would safely carry a weapon while running. It just seems very dangerous to me. I still haven't seen any kind of 'concealed' holster that truly seems safe.0 -
Imagine the London riots plus guns - you think it would have been BETTER?
The idea of normal people going running with guns strapped to them is absolutely mind-boggling and terrifying to me, and reminds me that for all our similarities, the UK and America are very different places.
If I was running in a rough area I might take a rape alarm I guess.
I agree with you completely and I am an American living in Chicago, where crime is rampant and concealed carry is illegal. My personal opinion is that maybe if those criminals didn't have such easy access to guns then there wouldn't be so many shootings. Carrying a weapon seems completely unnecessary to me--I feel it would more likely be used against me than anything else or because of the wind I feel that mace or pepper spray would end up in my face instead. It kind of boggles my mind that anyone would carry a gun when running.
The argument is a simple one.
If you have to worry about that guy shooting you.... You wont contribute to the riot.
Thats why London and Chicago, both citys where its 'illegal'... have riots.
and other areas of the US where we are free to protect ourselves.... dont.
:laugh: That's some interesting...well...can't call it "logic"....:laugh:0 -
Oh god, this topic really depresses me
I live in inner city Chicago, am a woman, and sometimes have to run at night - but I will NEVER carry a gun, much less own one. This is such an incendiary topic in the U.S., I'm reluctant to weigh in here, but I must say this - I work in one of the most crime-ridden neighborhoods in this city (I'm a social worker), and where I live ain't so great either - but I totally reject gun culture. If you must carry a gun while running - plz stay clear of me - I wouldn't want to be mistaken for an assailant and lose my life!
Why not practice safe running habits (already suggested above, I'm sure), like running with a partner, etc. There is a foldable stick thang that some female runners I know carry along for their runs - can't remember the name - might not be a bad thing to consider buying.
Sticks and my partner arent' going to take care of wildlife...
I do think it makes sense if you live somewhere where lions, tigers, bears, oh my are an issue. But in an urban or suburban area that does not have much scarier animals than rats, carrying with the purpose of using your gun against a person seems a little wacky to me.0 -
I don't own a weapon. I opened this thread because I was curious how one would safely carry a weapon while running. It just seems very dangerous to me. I still haven't seen any kind of 'concealed' holster that truly seems safe.
You only need one basic thing to carry concealed safely- the weapon must by held securely typically with a strap over the backstrap area of the weapon and the trigger area covered.
I personally own a number of holsters that are "open" (i.e. no strap) but due to their design they more then adequately retain the weapon even while flat out running (but even then I would put my hand on the grip of the weapon to ensure retention). When I jog the weapon is in a more secure holster with a retention strap.
Many of the options presented are quite secure as a point of fact.0 -
I don't own a weapon. I opened this thread because I was curious how one would safely carry a weapon while running. It just seems very dangerous to me. I still haven't seen any kind of 'concealed' holster that truly seems safe.
You only need one basic thing to carry concealed safely- the weapon must by held securely typically with a strap over the backstrap area of the weapon and the trigger area covered.
I personally own a number of holsters that are "open" (i.e. no strap) but due to their design they more then adequately retain the weapon even while flat out running (but even then I would put my hand on the grip of the weapon to ensure retention). When I jog the weapon is in a more secure holster with a retention strap.
Many of the options presented are quite secure as a point of fact.
Interesting. I've never held a gun in my life. Well, not a hand gun. Out here we use rifles and only when we're hunting.
The police officers (the only people I see with guns) have those leg holsters and they seem safe enough. Or the chest strap holders (you know the ones I'm talking about).
Tucking a gun into the back of my pants doesn't seem safe to me. But I know nothing about guns so... *shrug*0 -
Oh god, this topic really depresses me I live in inner city Chicago, am a woman, and sometimes have to run at night - but I will NEVER carry a gun, much less own one. This is such an incendiary topic in the U.S., I'm reluctant to weigh in here, but I must say this - I work in one of the most crime-ridden neighborhoods in this city (I'm a social worker), and where I live ain't so great either - but I totally reject gun culture. If you must carry a gun while running - plz stay clear of me - I wouldn't want to be mistaken for an assailant and lose my life!
Why not practice safe running habits (already suggested above, I'm sure), like running with a partner, etc. There is a foldable stick thang that some female runners I know carry along for their runs - can't remember the name - might not be a bad thing to consider buying.
Sticks and my partner arent' going to take care of wildlife...
I do think it makes sense if you live somewhere where lions, tigers, bears, oh my are an issue. But in an urban or suburban area that does not have much scarier animals than rats, carrying with the purpose of using your gun against a person seems a little wacky to me.
But criminals carry guns with the purpose of using them against a person. How is defending yourself from it "wacky"?0 -
But why would a criminal want to shoot you? Honestly, I'm genuinely confused! I know criminals may want to steal your phone, money, purse etc. but just randomly shooting you for the fun of it seems a bit out there. No?But criminals carry guns with the purpose of using them against a person. How is defending yourself from it "wacky"?0 -
Crime did double in england since gun restriction laws were enacted. I just looked it up now myself.
Imagine the London riots plus guns - you think it would have been BETTER?
The idea of normal people going running with guns strapped to them is absolutely mind-boggling and terrifying to me, and reminds me that for all our similarities, the UK and America are very different places.
If I was running in a rough area I might take a rape alarm I guess.
I agree with you completely and I am an American living in Chicago, where crime is rampant and concealed carry is illegal. My personal opinion is that maybe if those criminals didn't have such easy access to guns then there wouldn't be so many shootings. Carrying a weapon seems completely unnecessary to me--I feel it would more likely be used against me than anything else or because of the wind I feel that mace or pepper spray would end up in my face instead. It kind of boggles my mind that anyone would carry a gun when running.
The argument is a simple one.
If you have to worry about that guy shooting you.... You wont contribute to the riot.
Thats why London and Chicago, both citys where its 'illegal'... have riots.
and other areas of the US where we are free to protect ourselves.... dont.
:laugh: That's some interesting...well...can't call it "logic"....:laugh:0
this!!
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