Are men wired to cheat...?

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  • Rubie81
    Rubie81 Posts: 720 Member
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    no they aren't wired to cheat and neither are women...there are just certain things you need to do with your partner in order for them no to stray
    Really?
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  • auroranflash
    auroranflash Posts: 3,569 Member
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    no they aren't wired to cheat and neither are women...there are just certain things you need to do with your partner in order for them no to stray
    Really?

    That's stupid. If someone wants to cheat, and they've decided it's okay, then they will. They can validate the action in any way that makes it okay in their brain but if they're really set on it, there's nothing you can do about it and it's wrong to try to blame yourself for someone else's actions which are out of your control.
  • emaren
    emaren Posts: 934 Member
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    Men and women who cheat are less intelligent than the ones who don't (yes I realize that this might piss a lot of people off, but it's the truth).

    If only less intelligent people cheat - or have cheated - then I must be really dumb despite my MENSA membership.

    Cheating is a response to emotional issues, not intelligence - or lack thereof - for me it was a direct response to what I saw as being utterly unloved and totally pushed out of the relationship. We fought and fought over my step child (her only child) with seemingly every thing the child did being perfect and everything I did being utterly wrong. Especially if what I was doing was trying to coach (aka criticize) the child and show the errors of their way.

    It was not that simple, but she sided with he child regardless of who was right or wrong simply because she did not want to see her baby criticized. It was way more complex than that, there was a lot of additional stress going on in our lives.

    So when I got attention from a nice young lady that did not scream at me, did not cold shoulder me and more important than anything, actually seemed to want to be with me without blaming me for everything wrong in her world, it was a pretty easy transition form friendship to lovers.

    Oops.

    Sure I could have avoided it, but it had little to do with intelligence, have you ever tried to use intelligence to argue in such situations. It was a response to the sheer hell I had at home and the irrational and alarming behavior of my partner. It was an escape...

    My relationship was utterly dead and the fact that I started a new one sometime before the old one had been legally certified as such technically meant that I cheated on her.
  • mandersatx
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    This is how my SO explained it to me: A man can love his woman with all his heart, but if he lets his guard down (by putting himself in a potentially bad situation, ie going to the bar alone each night after work, ect) he'll end up messing around with another woman. Two seconds after he's finished and the blood rushes back to his brain, he'll think, "WTF did I just do? Damn."

    I personally think men and women cheat for different reasons. I think men are driven by a biological drive to spread their seed; their faithfulness relies on their intellectual, emotional, and financial stability. When a man feels powerless, he'll seek to fill that need by proving his prowess. Women cheat because they're trying to fill an emotional need their relationship isn't meeting; they don't feel attractive, appreciated, loved, ect. They attempt to assuage the emotional void through their indiscretions.
  • Cougarita65
    Cougarita65 Posts: 240 Member
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    I think if your unhappy where you are male or female, you will look elsewhere for some sort of lovin. I think it's human nature, plain & simple!
  • dr2k12
    dr2k12 Posts: 291 Member
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    Men that are happy with the women they are with do not cheat, men are wired to be happy and look for that happiness!
  • monty619
    monty619 Posts: 1,308 Member
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    ... more like wired to WIN!!! *gives high five*
  • MikesterAZ
    MikesterAZ Posts: 67 Member
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    Google "Polyamory" .... Love does not equal ownership ... You can save yourself a lot of jealousy by recognizing human nature. Of course, we all hope to find that special somebody but it's a lot to ask of one person especially early on. Don't set somebody you love up to disappoint you ... Or yourself to disappoint them. Lighten up and have some fun!! Being single can be a wonderful thing, and when you find that special somebody, you will be more emotionally equipped to accept that blessing without codependency or desperation.
  • MyPaperBleedsInk
    MyPaperBleedsInk Posts: 240 Member
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    They are wired to try to pass on their genes.
    However, what with our culture saying to be faithful to one person at a time, I think they are perfectly able to have self control.
  • Chapter3point6
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    Wired to cheat? Highly doubtful. But I have been cheated on once by my soon to be ex husband, once by the guy before that, and three times by the guy before that *scratches head*

    Maybe I'm wired to be cheated on lmao....

    I promise I won't cheat on you. Just please don't tell my wife. :tongue:
  • lbmore33
    lbmore33 Posts: 1,013 Member
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    hmmm let me ask my co-worker this same ???? since his wife of nearly 15yrs cheated on him...he was crushed. never got over it denied....divorce

    women are just as vicious
  • Christina2927
    Christina2927 Posts: 56 Member
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    hmmm let me ask my co-worker this same ???? since his wife of nearly 15yrs cheated on him...he was crushed. never got over it denied....divorce

    women are just as vicious

    I agree that women are just as likely to cheat as much as a man is.

    Ive been cheated on by a man and have also cheated but only after he did. I'm not saying two wrongs make a right but it never crossed my mind until it was done to me. I would never do it again. Its not true what they say "once a cheater always a cheater." I have not done it again and never will.
  • Jebbster007
    Jebbster007 Posts: 265 Member
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    Wired to cheat? Highly doubtful. But I have been cheated on once by my soon to be ex husband, once by the guy before that, and three times by the guy before that *scratches head*

    Maybe I'm wired to be cheated on lmao....

    Wow....I know several men have already made this comment so please take this the right way. I'm very happily married but you are stunning. I'm not sure where you typically go to meet men but if you've been cheated on by 3 different men.....wherever you are finding men.....immediately take a 180 and turn around and go the other way. I'm not sure where to tell you to look in the "right" places but you are definitely looking in the "wrong" places.
  • SeaRunner26
    SeaRunner26 Posts: 5,143 Member
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    All animals that have two sexes are 'wired' to cheat - females, who invest more heavily in each gamete, need to spread their risk of choosing a dud mate, and males, who have cheap and plentiful gametes, are driven to get them into as many females as possible.

    So yes, men, being animals, are 'wired' to cheat, but so are females.

    If you want to argue about how much control our social constructs as humans have over that wiring, that's a WHOLE different argument. Are we more that just our wiring? Most people think (and therefore act) so.

    But at the pure 'wiring' level, speaking as basic biological drivers, that would be a yes.

    This pretty much sums up everything I was going to say. Good job, prior poster.
  • blakejohn
    blakejohn Posts: 1,129 Member
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    Am I wired that way? I've cheated and more then once, I find the female body irresistible, yes I can stop myself but most of the time I don't want too.
  • nphect
    nphect Posts: 474
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    Men and women who cheat are less intelligent than the ones who don't (yes I realize that this might piss a lot of people off, but it's the truth).

    If only less intelligent people cheat - or have cheated - then I must be really dumb despite my MENSA membership.

    Cheating is a response to emotional issues, not intelligence - or lack thereof - for me it was a direct response to what I saw as being utterly unloved and totally pushed out of the relationship. We fought and fought over my step child (her only child) with seemingly every thing the child did being perfect and everything I did being utterly wrong. Especially if what I was doing was trying to coach (aka criticize) the child and show the errors of their way.

    It was not that simple, but she sided with he child regardless of who was right or wrong simply because she did not want to see her baby criticized. It was way more complex than that, there was a lot of additional stress going on in our lives.

    So when I got attention from a nice young lady that did not scream at me, did not cold shoulder me and more important than anything, actually seemed to want to be with me without blaming me for everything wrong in her world, it was a pretty easy transition form friendship to lovers.

    Oops.

    Sure I could have avoided it, but it had little to do with intelligence, have you ever tried to use intelligence to argue in such situations. It was a response to the sheer hell I had at home and the irrational and alarming behavior of my partner. It was an escape...

    My relationship was utterly dead and the fact that I started a new one sometime before the old one had been legally certified as such technically meant that I cheated on her.

    nah your dumber.
  • oregonzoo
    oregonzoo Posts: 4,251 Member
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    This is how my SO explained it to me: A man can love his woman with all his heart, but if he lets his guard down (by putting himself in a potentially bad situation, ie going to the bar alone each night after work, ect) he'll end up messing around with another woman. Two seconds after he's finished and the blood rushes back to his brain, he'll think, "WTF did I just do? Damn."

    I personally think men and women cheat for different reasons. I think men are driven by a biological drive to spread their seed; their faithfulness relies on their intellectual, emotional, and financial stability. When a man feels powerless, he'll seek to fill that need by proving his prowess. Women cheat because they're trying to fill an emotional need their relationship isn't meeting; they don't feel attractive, appreciated, loved, ect. They attempt to assuage the emotional void through their indiscretions.

    I think the first part of your statement really oversimplifies things and makes it seem like it's a more common occurance than it is.
    Give MEN some slack here.
  • oregonzoo
    oregonzoo Posts: 4,251 Member
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    Am I wired that way? I've cheated and more then once, I find the female body irresistible, yes I can stop myself but most of the time I don't want too.
    Ewwwww
    I certainly hope you warn prospective dates about this sleeziness.
  • perfectingpatti
    perfectingpatti Posts: 1,037 Member
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    All animals that have two sexes are 'wired' to cheat - females, who invest more heavily in each gamete, need to spread their risk of choosing a dud mate, and males, who have cheap and plentiful gametes, are driven to get them into as many females as possible.
    So yes, men, being animals, are 'wired' to cheat, but so are females.
    If you want to argue about how much control our social constructs as humans have over that wiring, that's a WHOLE different argument. Are we more that just our wiring? Most people think (and therefore act) so.
    But at the pure 'wiring' level, speaking as basic biological drivers, that would be a yes.
    This pretty much sums up everything I was going to say. Good job, prior poster.
    Since our evolutionary biologist got busy and couldn't reply again yesterday, I'll pose the question to you. How are human beings "wired" to cheat when cheating has to do with a moral decision and nothing scientific?
  • perfectingpatti
    perfectingpatti Posts: 1,037 Member
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    Humans are animals. Highly complicated, intelligent, emotional animals. But still animals.
    Cognitive reasoning is one aspect of human biology. It could also mean it makes us clever enough to cheat and get away with it.
    Speech ? So we can tell each other about it?? Not sure I get the reasoning here.
    Yes, modern humans build all sorts of things. It doesn't mean we've abandoned all our biological imperatives.

    'Sin' is a societal construct. It's not a concept with universal understanding by the majority of modern humans. We're talking about wiring, in the sense of instinct and natural behaviour. We put societal constraints on many of our natural urges, and we constrain them, but not every human does so, and it doesn't erase those instincts from existence. Love, faithfulness and not cheating are all good things, and many humans do them very naturally. But there are still instincts in there that can push us to do otherwise.

    'right and wrong' Complicated, and not a good way to ask questions about 'wiring'. See above

    Scientists generally say things that have evidentiary support provided by interrogative experimentation. It doesn't make us always right, but it certainly makes us *more likely* to be right, because we have evidence for our claims. Science is still science even if you don't like the answers!

    Your response seems internally contradictory. For instance, you generally argue that “science” is the way to deal with everything (including morality) and you also say “sin” is a social construct but you then want to say that love, faithfulness, etc., are “good things.” What do you mean by “good”? Do you mean they are morally good? Do you merely mean they are advantageous for some physical advantage? What makes something good?

    If you think that there is such a thing as moral goodness (I suspect you don’t, but maybe you do), I wonder how you as a scientist “ground” or support it. What does moral goodness mean? By morality I mean what we “ought” to do rather than merely what “is”. It might be that someone has the desire to “cheat” on their spouse but “ought” that person to do so? Someone might have the desire to kill someone. “Ought” they do act on those desires? Is the only deterrent consequences? Is there some intrinsic goodness to human life that morally obligates us to treat it with respect or is this merely a “social construct”?

    I think it is false that there is no universal understanding of morality (and, hence, sin). There are fundamental principles that are present across cultures and times. What differs are applications of those principles. These applications vary with circumstances, etc.

    On cognitive reasoning being “one aspect of biology,” I wonder how you can claim “objectivity” for the results of your biology. Aren’t your thoughts simply an effect of material, biological causes? Aren’t mine just the effects of mine? How can you claim your biology (and its effects) is more “true” than mine? It seems that our whole discussion “about” biology presupposes that we are, in some sense, transcending biology so that we can make of it an object of reflection and analysis. This, to my mind, makes it something more than merely an effect of biological causality.