The Cornerstone of Upper Body Strength: The Pullup

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  • ster81
    ster81 Posts: 249
    Great post! Pull ups, chin ups,weighted, muscle ups... Any kind of ups is good as long as you're doing em lol.
  • veganbaum
    veganbaum Posts: 1,865 Member
    I really want to work on pullups, but do not currently have access to a gym. Are there any reasonably priced at-home bars that someone could recommend? Those door-frame ones kind of worry me, but I'd get one if someone (or several someones) highly recommends a specific one.

    $20 in any sporting goods store. Goes on a door frame with no screws. There's a slight rubbing of the paint, but no damage.

    wall mart has the "perfect multi gym" bar ...it goes wider than the door frame and has multiple grips for a variety and the best thing is it "hangs" in the door frame and can be taken off in put back up in 2 seconds literally...a great bar

    After finding a video to see how these install I realize that I won't be able to use one. My house doesn't have molding around the doors. When I've looked at them before I didn't realize that was necessary. Sad. But thanks for the recommendations anyway.
  • dane11235813
    dane11235813 Posts: 682 Member
    i'm not a big bench press guy. it cracks me up watching the meatheads 'pressing' 3 plates per side while their spotter does half the work

    That **** drives me f'in nuts! Then they get up acting all big and bad. Just by adding a finger or two the spotter can remove a fair amount of resistance from the weight and then you see the fool using his whole hand to spot them or damn near gripping the bar and pulling it. What's that accomplish?

    i don't want to jack the thread because this is a really interesting topic, but possibly the funniest thing i've ever heard at the gym was a couple of 16 year old kids doing bench press and they probably should have stopped at 185 lbs, but they of course had 3 plates a side on the bar.
    Kid A lifts the bar off the rack with the help of Kid B. Kid B lets go of the bar and steps back and the weight of course quickly pins Kid A so Kid B grabs the barbell and they manage to get it back up and re-rack it. Kid A sits up and starts laying into Kid B
    "hey man you've got to keep your hands on the bar and help lower it down to my chest before i press it back up ok"

    :huh: <--- me
    :huh: <---- the guy standing beside me
    :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: <
    the 5 other people that were standing there watching this debacle.

    i guess they have a different definition of what spotting someone involves.
    thankfully they were done after that before they really hurt themselves.
  • JNick77
    JNick77 Posts: 3,783 Member
    i'm not a big bench press guy. it cracks me up watching the meatheads 'pressing' 3 plates per side while their spotter does half the work

    That **** drives me f'in nuts! Then they get up acting all big and bad. Just by adding a finger or two the spotter can remove a fair amount of resistance from the weight and then you see the fool using his whole hand to spot them or damn near gripping the bar and pulling it. What's that accomplish?

    i don't want to jack the thread because this is a really interesting topic, but possibly the funniest thing i've ever heard at the gym was a couple of 16 year old kids doing bench press and they probably should have stopped at 185 lbs, but they of course had 3 plates a side on the bar.
    Kid A lifts the bar off the rack with the help of Kid B. Kid B lets go of the bar and steps back and the weight of course quickly pins Kid A so Kid B grabs the barbell and they manage to get it back up and re-rack it. Kid A sits up and starts laying into Kid B
    "hey man you've got to keep your hands on the bar and help lower it down to my chest before i press it back up ok"

    :huh: <--- me
    :huh: <---- the guy standing beside me
    :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: <
    the 5 other people that were standing there watching this debacle.

    i guess they have a different definition of what spotting someone involves.
    thankfully they were done after that before they really hurt themselves.

    LMAO!!
  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    I really want to work on pullups, but do not currently have access to a gym. Are there any reasonably priced at-home bars that someone could recommend? Those door-frame ones kind of worry me, but I'd get one if someone (or several someones) highly recommends a specific one.

    $20 in any sporting goods store. Goes on a door frame with no screws. There's a slight rubbing of the paint, but no damage.

    wall mart has the "perfect multi gym" bar ...it goes wider than the door frame and has multiple grips for a variety and the best thing is it "hangs" in the door frame and can be taken off in put back up in 2 seconds literally...a great bar

    After finding a video to see how these install I realize that I won't be able to use one. My house doesn't have molding around the doors. When I've looked at them before I didn't realize that was necessary. Sad. But thanks for the recommendations anyway.

    If you have a door into a garage or in a closet, you can screw a 2x4 to the studs going across the inside. 4 screws should do it, and it's easily removable...not to mention sturdy as all hells.
  • RUNN3Rmom
    RUNN3Rmom Posts: 441
    My little gymnast 6year old daughter can do 6 unassisted pull-ups on our at home door way pull-up bar :) She is my inspiration (I can only do 4).
  • cortezpj
    cortezpj Posts: 129 Member
    Bump
  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    Bumping to keep this up towards the tops. I'm helping a friend with her diet and exercise routine...and I have her doing negative chin ups in order to build strength for regular ones. She can only do three in a row, but I've guaranteed her that her strength will improve very, very quickly.
  • anashar
    anashar Posts: 67 Member
    bump for later
  • Lesley2901
    Lesley2901 Posts: 372 Member
    Thanks for the tips. You have motivated me to restart my attempts at pull ups again.
  • Smuterella
    Smuterella Posts: 1,623 Member
    I'm pathetic at even negative pull ups so, what with starting P90x on monday I'm going to be doing assisted for the actual pull ups in the programme plus trying the Scooby's workshop thing a couple of times a week (5 sets of 8 negatives from a chair until I go down slowly rather than just slumping).

    Would getting a resistance band really help me or can I progress with just the assisteds (chair) and the added negatives?
  • nml2011
    nml2011 Posts: 156 Member
    Excellent post, lots of good pointers there... thanks.
  • CharlieJuliette
    CharlieJuliette Posts: 459 Member
    Great info. Thank you.
  • tmpayton
    tmpayton Posts: 148 Member
    ^^ this ^^
  • waldo56
    waldo56 Posts: 1,861 Member
    Frownface at the lack of awesomeness that is the one arm chinup in this post. I don't care how many plates you've got on the bar on the bench, the guy that can do a 1 arm chin is cooler than you are.

    For those that can do double digit pulls/chins and want more of a challenge and want their lats to explode, rotate up and pull your knees into your chest, holding a position with your back parallel to the ground, your hips at shoulder height (your abs and lats will have to fire hard to hold this), and use the bar to do rows while holding this position. I personally like the neutral grips for this. To further make it harder, start exending your knees out from your chest keeping yoru back parallel to the ground (which will exponentially increase the load on your lats/abs), taking it to one and eventually both legs extended straight.
  • Dustin_02
    Dustin_02 Posts: 76 Member
    great advice!
  • tuffytuffy1
    tuffytuffy1 Posts: 920 Member
    Question for anyone who knows, my trainer has me do about 165 pounds on the assisted pullup machine; but he also will have me grab handles at the top of a piece of gym equipment, jump up, and do pull-ups while resting my feet on his thighs. I cannot do them without that sort of assistance. Should I tell him I want to drop the assisted machine, and only do the handles? I'm so confused now. Thanks!
  • jerber160
    jerber160 Posts: 2,607 Member
    this post is an inspiration. I have to start at ground zero and just hang there for 10-15 seconds at a time-it's about the grip.. amazing how weak I've gotten... sigh.. but it's gonna get better
  • apriltrainer
    apriltrainer Posts: 732 Member
    Currently I can do 6 deadhangs. I think I could do more if I did it the kipping way but for some reason I just can't get the hang of it!!
  • yecatsml
    yecatsml Posts: 180 Member
    great post - added to list of goals!
  • LoraF83
    LoraF83 Posts: 15,694 Member
    Thank you very much for posting this!!
  • castlerobber
    castlerobber Posts: 528 Member
    bump to find later. Been wanting to learn to do a pullup.
  • obored1
    obored1 Posts: 32 Member
    bump
  • RobynLB
    RobynLB Posts: 617 Member
    Love this. Doing my first pullup was like a breakthrough for me. I literally called my boyfriend over from the next room to show him. One of my goals is to be able to do 10.
  • kiachu
    kiachu Posts: 409 Member
    Greetings fellow MFP'ers. It's your "friendly" neighborhood Joe here to speak with you today about the SCALE of upper body strength known as THE PULLUP.

    If someone were to come up to me and try to "size me up" asking me if I "worked out" or was "into bodybuilding", and he or she asked me "What do you bench?" I would chuckle a bit and then give them two answers:

    First answer: My 1RM is 285. This is partly due to a tender left shoulder rotator cuff.

    Second answer: A good measure or scale of upper body strength is NOT the Bench Press, it is the Pullup.

    Ask any serious bodybuilder or strength trainer. Unless you are competing in powerlifting or you are in the NFL Combine, strength is measured by how many pullups you can do. This is mostly the reason why boot camp in the military they test you on pullups.

    Example: If we are at war or there is a zombie apocalypse, do you think being able to Bench Press 500lbs is going to help you in ANY WAY to survive? No, it's not. But, if you can do pullups and pull your own bodyweight up with EASE, your ability to survive goes up dramatically.

    Before I talk about ways to strengthen your pullups, let me first state this and I'll put it in bold so it sinks:

    DO NOT use the assisted pullup machine to try to build strength. I will repeat this. DO NOT use the assisted pullup machien to try to build strength.

    The pullup assist machine is VERY different from doing REAL pullups or chinups. The form is different. The position and ease for your legs is different. It is not the same in any way, shape or form. I will give you some tips below on how to strengthen your pullups/chinups. It may be hard at first, but it will get easier.

    1. Start with multiple sets of low reps.

    Do 10 sets of 1 pullup with 30 seconds rest in between sets. Time yourself. Only take 30 seconds max. When you can do 1 pullup with ease, then move onto to 10 sets of 2 pullups. Go until you can perform 10 sets of 5 pullups with 30 seconds rest. Once you achieve this, then you'll be able to do 10 pullups pretty easily for your first set. Trust me this works.

    2. Use resistance bands.

    Loop a resistance band around the pullup bar, and then around your knee for assistance. This is NOT the same as using the "pullup assist machine".

    3. Strengthen your grip.

    Either use grip strengtheners, do Deadlifts, Plate pinches, or do Heavy Bar Pulls and hold for 10-20 seconds. You'd be surprised at how this will help your pullups.

    4. Do chinups.

    Chinups are a lot easier to do over Pullups as they use the biceps. Pullups have a lot more back involvement though.

    5. Use hip drive.

    I don't care what anyone says. There is absolutely nothing wrong with using momentum when starting out to build pullup strength. Granted you need to eventually do pullups without hip drive, but it will help with strength.

    6. Perform negative movements.

    Start in the up position, and go down slow. This will help not only form, but strength as well.

    7. Do weighted 10-2's.

    Grab a weighted vest or a chained weight-belt and add plates to it. Do 10 sets of 2 reps with 30 seconds rest.

    8. Don't go to failure.

    One of the biggest mistakes people do with pullups and/or chinups is they go to failure. This does not help you. Your form suffers, you can risk shoulder injuries. It's just not a good idea. Do as many pullups as you can with GOOD form.

    9. Make sure you start in proper position.

    You need to start with your arms straight, pull your shoulder blades down and lock your shoulders into their sockets. Do NOT start with your shoulders up near your ears like you're doing a shoulder shrug. This is NOT proper form at all.

    10. Initiate with your lats.

    When you start to pull, keep shoulders back, head up and fire your lats FIRST, not your biceps/arms. If you are doing this correctly, you'll know it.

    11. Drive your elbows down.

    Make sure you drive your elbows down and back. Don't pull with your biceps.

    12. Pull your chin over the bar.

    Sure when you're starting to build strength, you may not be able to which is fine, but eventually you need to. Nothing else needs to be said.

    13. Use different grips.

    Palms facing away, Palms facing you, Palms facing each other. Also use different widths of your grip.

    14. Keep elbows slightly bent throughout your set.

    Don't lock your elbows in the middle of a set. Keep them bent at all times.


    That's it. Building pullup strength takes time just like anything else. You'll get it with patience and practice.

    Until the next time my friends.

    This is your "friendly" neighborhood Joe....signing off.

    I'm late to the game but I used the assisted pull-up machine and I can no longer need it. I worked the counter weight down and now I can do pull ups fine without it. I now pull up on the cable cage using a stool to get up there. Not sure why you insist that someone can't use it.
  • Yogi_Carl
    Yogi_Carl Posts: 1,906 Member
    Excellent post - thank you. I love bodyweight exercises and the way everthing works together. Pullups are the ultimate goal for me; working on negatives right now and looking forward to my first real one!

    Many thanks, much appreciated.
  • Mummyadams
    Mummyadams Posts: 1,125 Member
    Awesome - i really need to nail these - now I can try using your suggestions - thanks so much!
  • kiachu
    kiachu Posts: 409 Member
    Excellent read Joe. I am using the assisted machine so I guess from your post I should NOT be. ;o) I will search out the appropriate machine at the gym and get on this.

    Stop using it, and either start with Chinups or start with 10 sets of 1 rep. If you can't do 1 rep, you can use a resistance band. Gyms have them. You can pick one up at Sports Authority or ****'s Sporting Goods for cheap.

    the assisted machines get a lot of use at my gym...are you saying they are a waste of time or that they are detrimental?

    what about lat pull downs? do they get you better prepared for pull ups?

    good tips

    Assisted machines get a lot of use because people are put into this mindset from "trainers" or their friends that they work. You might get a little benefit from them. You are better off taking it slow and start with Pullups without the machine, and go through the guidelines I outlined in the first post.

    How can they not work if you progressively lower the counterweight which increases the workload? And why exactly is a band not the same as an assisted pull up machine if all its doing is essentially creating upward force to assist the person pulling themselves up?

    I'm just curious because I used both bands and assisted pull up machine to proceed to unassisted pull-ups. I have no use for either anymore.
  • wimeezer
    wimeezer Posts: 404 Member
    Great info, thanks!
  • LabrakaDebra
    LabrakaDebra Posts: 47 Member
    thanks - bump for later!