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Hostess Brands closing....no more Twinkies!
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Ugh, just another conspiracy nut...
Go ahead, show me the scientific evidence you have that the human digestive system can't "recognize" or process a Twinkie. I'll wait, don't worry. I know, there really is no evidence because it's a ridiculous claim that only makes sense when you're trying to scare people into thinking you're right, because the facts disagree.
Also, it is only illegal to sell raw milk across state lines. Raw milk purchased from local farms is generally legal, unless your specific state has a law against it. Of course, why you'd want to buy raw milk that has to travel from another state is beyond me, especially when you're into the whole paleo thing, doesn't that push buying local?
I have a garden in my yard, as do several of my neighbors. We haven't been arrested yet. Perfectly legal.
Any other wildly false things you want to make up to try and spread your fear mongering?
If it's only about interstate commerce, then why did the FDA raid an Amish farm and CA co-ops that never sold anything across state lines? The federal government no longer abides by the constitution. They have stretched the interstate commerce clause through Supreme Court decisions (such as Ashcroft V. Raich) such that commerce that doesn't even happen (that is, people who don't sell anything) are now being raided.
And as far as the front yard garden, do a Google news search. It has been happening in cities all over the country. That one is happening at the local level, so most of us have not been affected, but plenty of people have been. They tried to pull that crap in Kansas City, but hundreds of people found out in advance of the city council meeting and flooded the meeting in protest. The only way to keep our rights is to take a stand! (In one city, they even banned basketball goals and went in and stole the basketball goals that have been there for many years.)
Pay attention to your local government. It is quicker to destroy your rights than any other level of government!0 -
I agree, the idea of fresh milk scares me. I like eating healthier, but I like a happy medium. I do not really care if the milk is pasteurized or has hormones. I realize they say it can cause cancer. Everything these days does. I want to feel better inside, and be happy. Milk has not hurt me yet. When it does, then I'll stop. Until then, I love milk. And cows actually. Love me some steak.
Also, I do not believe in "banning" everything. Let ppl do what makes them happy, if its unhealthy, its their life. Why start with food banning if you were going to attack unhealthy things? Why not start with smokes (norm and green), drugs, pharmaceuticals, alcohols, sex, tv, video games, cell phones, cars, and even dirty dollar bills. So much we could attack.
Ever seen Demolition man (movie)?
"I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy who likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green Jell-o all over my body reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener""
Dennis Leary win.
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Corporate Greed = FAIL. Not unions. We are supposed to have that right to form unions in this country.
Yet another right that is going away.
The right obviously still exists...along with the right to commit economic suicide, as demonstrated.0 -
The employees were to take an 8% paycut and a 30% reduction in benefits. Why would they agree to that? Even in this economy they can get better jobs. This is after they tried to work with Hostess when they went thru bankruptsy before. I have never liked Twinkees or Wonderbread so it is no great loss to me.
An 8% paycut is better than an unemployment check. And a 30% reduction in benefits is better than no benefits at all.0 -
Wha-what-what?! Get your butt to the store and have one! Make it a part of your cheat day. You will not be sorry.
They aren't the same as they were say 10-15 yrs ago. They're actually kind of gross now, but no more Ding Dongs or Suzie Q's....my life just got darker.....hahaha. They were one of my favorite now and then treats, love the creamy filling. They may be bad for us but Hostess is an American icon and it is very sad to see them go(if it does in fact happen).0 -
Yes, I can. If the money isn't there to maintain, it isn't there. You can't squeeze blood from a stone. They tried, and now they don't have jobs at all. And took down many other people with them, including all the workers in the other union which did accept the concessions, and of course all the non-unionised workers.
Again: the one does not preclude the other. I won't argue with you about whether those execs were deserving or not.
You might be enraged that those execs did that, but that does not justify the union's actions or the greed which drove it.
And I'm not a factory worker because I invested my youth in higher education so that I wouldn't have to be at the mercy of a minimum wage job skill level. Even if I lose my job and have to take a lesser paying job, I'll still be doing great. I worked hard for this advantage.
I don't know about where you live, but here in Canada, in a shop which has a union, they force new employees, by law, to join the union. Talk about a curtailing of freedom!
If you can call what the union was asking for greedy, then what the Corporate Officers did was criminal.
I am not a factory worker either and make way more than enough that my husband doesn't technically have to work if he doesnt want to.
I can still put the shoe on the foot of someone that does work in those factories and see where they are coming from. They are seeing the Corporate officers of the company they work for give THEMSELVES huge raises while asking the people that do the actual work to take less.
That is unconscionable.0 -
Thank the gods for Vachon.0
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Yes at the expense of 187000 jobsI say good. Let all the companies that use GMO grains and HFCS go under. We dont need to consume junk like this anyway.
The union did it to their members...
If companies would stop hiring union employees this crap would stop happening0 -
Little Debbie Rules!!!!
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I totally agree... Tastykake butterskotch Krimpets are a necessary food group! Way to go Philadelphia... must continue to look out for our brotherly love food-groups... soft pretzels, cheese steaks, cream cheese, and Tastykakes!!!0
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Exactly! Look at all the success we've had with the War on Drugs!
And the war on poverty! There aren't any more poor people, dontcha know?0 -
An 8% paycut is better than an unemployment check. And a 30% reduction in benefits is better than no benefits at all.
All the while the Corporate officers didn't have to make any cuts for themselves and instead voted to give themselves MORE.
Who is the greedy one here?0 -
If you can call what the union was asking for greedy, then what the Corporate Officers did was criminal.
I can still put the shoe on the foot of someone that does work in those factories and see where they are coming from. They are seeing the Corporate officers of the company they work for give THEMSELVES huge raises while asking the people that do the actual work to take less.
You are incapable of differentiating between two possibly concurrent failures, aren't you? You simply cannot fathom that the execs could have done something stupid AND the union did something stupid. The execs gave themselves a raise, so then everything that follows is solely their fault, right?0 -
Bucket of fun is an awesome way to describe him. I love his standup. He makes me hurt myself, esp when he talks about his kids. I don't even have kids and it just kills me. :laugh:0 -
Yes at the expense of 187000 jobs
The union did it to their members...
If companies would stop hiring union employees this crap would stop happening
The root cause of this whole fiasco is mis-management at the Corporate level. Not the union. Even though Hostess isn't something I consume, I will not blame the union here at all.
This is Corporate GREED
I feel for the workers, but we don't need the junk food around.0 -
And the war on poverty! There aren't any more poor people, dontcha know?
Don't forget the war on terrorism!0 -
No, no. You don't ban farting, you force people to wear *kitten* filters. Use your head!
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*SS Masks.....:bigsmile:0 -
Bucket of fun is an awesome way to describe him. I love his standup. He makes me hurt myself, esp when he talks about his kids. I don't even have kids and it just kills me. :laugh:
I know! I could pee! :laugh:
Dude, just listening to him talk gives me energy. Who needs coffee, I'll just have a cup of him.0 -
You are incapable of differentiating between two possibly concurrent failures, aren't you? You simply cannot fathom that the execs could have done something stupid AND the union did something stupid. The execs gave themselves a raise, so then everything that follows is solely their fault, right?
Yes. Anytime a Corporate officer puts himself before all of his other employees - he / she is a sorry sack of *kitten*.
Karma is a b*tch and she will come back to bite them in the *kitten*.
If they knew they might have to file bankruptcy..............there should have never been a raise given to themselves. They are nothing but a bunch of GREEDY B@st@rds0 -
The root cause of this whole fiasco is mis-management at the Corporate level. Not the union. Even though Hostess isn't something I consume, I will not blame the union here at all.
This is Corporate GREED
I feel for the workers, but we don't need the junk food around.
I guess if you capitalize it, it makes it somehow worse??0 -
LMAO!! Ditto. Life is about choice and education. Everyone deserves the freedom to choose if they want a pile of cheese fries, with a pizza and then a big hot fudge sundae followed by a cigarette. By educating that this is not always the best choice is how we counteract poor health not by banning things. Not everyone that participates in bad things is in poor health or has a bad reaction to the activity and they should have the right to choose if they want to participate in that activity.0 -
Unions served their purpose. They can all go away now.
Yeah, the 5 day work week, 8 hour work days, Workers Comp.. safer work conditions... Things that the unions fought for that goventment put in place for the rest of the workers that didn't fight and sacrifice to make happen.
You may or may not believe that unions have their place but don't forget what they've done for workers everywhere.
(if this doesn't apply to your country, I'm sorry)0 -
Yes. Anytime a Corporate officer puts himself before all of his other employees - he / she is a sorry sack of *kitten*.
Karma is a b*tch and she will come back to bite them in the *kitten*.
If they knew they might have to file bankruptcy..............there should have never been a raise given to themselves. They are nothing but a bunch of GREEDY B@st@rds
Karma is female? Because "Karma is a *****?"
Then, so is "life," I guess.....as in, "Life's a *****...and then you die."
Again-- chuckling about the capitalized GREED-- :laugh: :laugh:0 -
LMAO!! Ditto. Life is about choice and education. Everyone deserves the freedom to choose if they want a pile of cheese fries, with a pizza and then a big hot fudge sundae followed by a cigarette. By educating that this is not always the best choice is how we counteract poor health not by banning things. Not everyone that participates in bad things is in poor health or has a bad reaction to the activity and they should have the right to choose if they want to participate in that activity.
AMEN! I made LOTS of bad choices, and oh WHAT FUN I had making them! Would I do it over again the same way? Oh ya. In life, we never stop learning until we stop living. 0 -
lol how is this thread still open0
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lol how is this thread still open
Mods must be sleeping.0 -
Not a fan of the twinkie, but I loved their other stuff growing up.
Just sad to see American companies going under and sorry for the jobs that will be lost..;..0 -
Yeah, the 5 day work week, 8 hour work days, Workers Comp.. safer work conditions... Things that the unions fought for that goventment put in place for the rest of the workers that didn't fight and sacrifice to make happen.
You may or may not believe that unions have their place but don't forget what they've done for workers everywhere.
(if this doesn't apply to your country, I'm sorry)
The problem is that the unions have become counter-productive to their purpose.
I have avoided joining in on the unions debate for multiple reasons. I have seen the good and bad that come about because of unions.
My grandfather died from mesothilioma (sp?). The union sued on my grandmother's behalf and they garnered her a settlement that supported her for years after his death.
My father threatened to report his employer to the union in 1981. Mysteriously, he had an accident on the job which led to severe brain injury and eventually death. The state bureau of investigation was never able to dig up enough evidence that his "accident" was anything more than that.
My cousin is in a union and has been out of work for almost 2 years. Why? Because no one will hire union workers.
They did serve their purpose and do serve a purpose, but they are also a bit power hungry, and that overreaching of power has caused its impact too. In the long run, though, I think they are far less effective than they were 100 years ago.0 -
Yes. Anytime a Corporate officer puts himself before all of his other employees - he / she is a sorry sack of *kitten*.
Karma is a b*tch and she will come back to bite them in the *kitten*.
If they knew they might have to file bankruptcy..............there should have never been a raise given to themselves. They are nothing but a bunch of GREEDY B@st@rds
It seems clear enough that you are overly emotional and irrational in your views on corporations and unions.
Thank you for reaffirming the value of critical thinking. I'll let someone else play with you now.0
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