going vegetarian in 2013
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Here is a great video about a woman who had cancer, became a vegan and became an athlete. Ruth Heidrich, what a great inspiration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1MOLnK6CfU 0 -
You mean you have to sacrifice a male chicken in order for a female chicken to exist? because that is what you just said.[
In order to make gelatin, one must actually kill an animal. No animal dies in order for me to eat an egg. I am vegetarian not for health reasons, but because I don't want to eat dead animals, which is the reason stated by the OP. Therefore, my advice was accurate and appropriate.
I guess you didn't want to see that in order to get female chickens, the male baby chick is killed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN5H9audCRQ
So, yes, you are killing animals for eggs.
Yes, the egg companies won't even sell the male baby chicks because there is no profit, they just kill them and throw the baby chicks away.
Here is another video, by the vegetarian society of Hawaii, a presentation dealing with eggs and dairy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyjOPzKc4vA
But it is not necessary to kill a chicken (male or female) to produce an egg. That may be the practice of factory farms, but the process of laying an egg does not include the death of any animal.
Don't eat eggs if you don't want to eat eggs. That is your business. But claiming that eating eggs makes people unhealthy or insisting that an animal died in order for an egg to exist (not the case. An egg can exist without an animal's death) makes you look ridiculous.
When chicks hatch, they say about half are male, half are female. Because "layer" chickens can only be female, the egg company "throws" away the male chicks. They don't sell or do anything with the male chicks.
So, your demand for eggs forces the egg companies to separate the female chicks and kill the male ones.
I am sorry that you don't want that "curtain" opened for you.0 -
I need to build muscle need protein and vegetables dont contain enough i need to eat MEAT
Read this:http://www.nomeatathlete.com/vegetarian-diet-athletes/0 -
i've been vegetarian for 5 years now and im 18. there is only one word to say...QUORN, this is worlds best meat substitute, you can have all the meals you used to have but with quorn products (mince, sausages, fillets, nuggets etc) instead. i dont miss meat at all, plus quorn is lower is caloris and fat! goodluck!!
i love quorn! i got so excited friday when i went to the supermarket and found new quorn products!
a few people have tried to rile me by saying suggesting that it's silly to stop eating meat and then eat fake meats - 'if you dont want to eat meat, why are you eating something that tastes just like meat?', but i really don't see it that way - i've got to eat SOMETHING, and it's so handy to have a nice easy substitute to vegetarianise a recipe!
i do try to sort of not think too much about what it's made of though, as it is sort of odd that this one product can be made into substitute red meat AND white meat AND a variety of textures!0 -
Congratulations! Ignore everybody else's negative opinions, watch the documentary Earthlings to cement things, sign up at 30dayveganchallenge.com and maybe get some classes from veggiegirl.com - all these things made it easier for me in the past year. Even if you don't want to be vegan eventually the 30 day vegan challenge is great just to get you on the right track. You do NOT want to be a mac&cheese-atarian!
Also if you subscribe to the Vegetarian Food for Thought podcast, she gives you really insightful and intelligent conversation so you can speak knowledgeably when people tease you or ask questions about being vegetarian.0 -
I have been considering becoming a vegetarian. Bump.0
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Before I gave up eggs I bought free range eggs from trader joes. I later found out that even though they are free range they still cut their beaks. The imagery made me really sad and I quit eggs that moment.
this is why i don't buy commercial eggs at all anymore. i get them from a lady at work who keeps a few chickens, and i know they have nice lives with her.
i think the commercial egg industry is pretty sneaky - "barn laid" is a bit of a bug bear for me. i recently had a friend tell me that she now only buys barn laid eggs because she's against cage farming. i had to ask her 'how many chickens do you think you can fit in a barn?'0 -
When chicks hatch, they say about half are male, half are female. Because "layer" chickens can only be female, the egg company "throws" away the male chicks. They don't sell or do anything with the male chicks.
So, your demand for eggs forces the egg companies to separate the female chicks and kill the male ones.
I am sorry that you don't want that "curtain" opened for you.
So, is your problem that eggs are unhealthy or that eggs are inhumane? Because you started by saying they were unhealthy and when that statement was proven false, you switched to the inhumane aspect.
Please choose an argument. I'm getting whiplash here.0 -
When chicks hatch, they say about half are male, half are female. Because "layer" chickens can only be female, the egg company "throws" away the male chicks. They don't sell or do anything with the male chicks.
So, your demand for eggs forces the egg companies to separate the female chicks and kill the male ones.
I am sorry that you don't want that "curtain" opened for you.
i only eat eggs from a friend who keeps a few chickens. so, am i going to die or not?0 -
When chicks hatch, they say about half are male, half are female. Because "layer" chickens can only be female, the egg company "throws" away the male chicks. They don't sell or do anything with the male chicks.
So, your demand for eggs forces the egg companies to separate the female chicks and kill the male ones.
I am sorry that you don't want that "curtain" opened for you.
i only eat eggs from a friend who keeps a few chickens. so, am i going to die or not?
You can also eat gelatin as well, no death there.0 -
When chicks hatch, they say about half are male, half are female. Because "layer" chickens can only be female, the egg company "throws" away the male chicks. They don't sell or do anything with the male chicks.
So, your demand for eggs forces the egg companies to separate the female chicks and kill the male ones.
I am sorry that you don't want that "curtain" opened for you.
So, is your problem that eggs are unhealthy or that eggs are inhumane? Because you started by saying they were unhealthy and when that statement was proven false, you switched to the inhumane aspect.
Please choose an argument. I'm getting whiplash here.
You told me that you don't eat gelatin but you choose to eat eggs. I implied that is very ironic because male chicks die for you to eat eggs but you say that is okay, but not okay to eat certain vitamins because it has gelatin, an animal by product.
Then you said you don't eat animals. I told you that male chicks die as soon as they hatch because they cannot lay eggs and you totally ignored that and proved that you really do not care whether your eating affects animal slaughter/cruelty.
I did show that eating eggs is not healthy through my links and through links posted by others. You showed me that you don't care if animals die for you to eat eggs, that is fine. It's your life. It would have been nice to just tell us that what you say is not what you do.
Going for my run! That makes 70 miles in 7 days!0 -
Here's a great video (short one) on turning vegetarian or vegan by The Cool Vegetarian, who asks McDougall 3 mistakes Vegetarians make.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=OF7Uanr-lYA&feature=fvwp0 -
I loved being vegan - I am still so at home, but I have a hard time other places.
There are several great books about the health benefits of a whole foods vegan diet:
The China Study
most things by John Robbins
Engine 2 diet
Forks Over Knives
Anything by Caldwell B. Esselstyn
and many others.
If you're looking for good cookbooks, I have several. Friend me and I'll share.0 -
great books to read:
-the china study (plus, see the film "forks over knives")
-thrive by brendan brazier
was vegetarian for years, couple years ago went vegan and haven't looked back: love it!
welcome to the veggie-side!
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im doing this as well. i was vegetarian last year for about 6 months, but i slowly started eating meat again. i cant beleive how much better i fealt when meat wasnt in my diet. im working on cutting it out again.I'm going partly vegetarian... meaning meat isn't really part of my routine anymore. However, I still like meat, and I will eat it when I go out or to someone's house (my parents, for example).
Best of luck to you, and have a happy year!0 -
nope. I tried it when I was 16, was deathly skinny, and grew out of the whole "moral" objection to eating meat.
yawn. I have been vegetarian my entire life, never even tasted meat and rocketed to 260 lbs. hardly '' deathly skinny''. i call troll.0 -
I am thinking about going veg/ or vegan this year. I had decided last summer that I wanted to pursue a vegan lifestyle after I returned from my semester abroad. I have tons of food intolerance and veg/vegan lifestyle is the best way to manage all of those. However, I live in the Deep South and healthy options cost way too much. Best of luck to you!0
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I'm seriously considering going vegetarian. It would really help me lose weight, and I've already eaten enough meat for two lifetimes. My main concern is getting enough protien and other vitamens. I'm going to talk to my dietician in two weeks about this.0
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Went Vegetarian this summer but 2013 will be the first full year without meat!0
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Good for you!!! I've been vegetarian for 25 years, vegan for five, and it is the one decision that I happy every day to have made. Please let me know if you need recipes! Congratulations on a great choice.0
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I'm vegan about 95% of the time. Just switched a few months ago. It wasn't hard to change. The good part is if you are doing it for ethical or environmental reasons-every little bit helps. The 5% comes when I eat at someone's home or restaurant. I try not to be a pain in the a** when I'm out or cooking for company. DH, who is not a vegan eats my dinners at least 4X a week--I still cook meat for him the rest of the time. But I have to say I'm starting to find animal products a little disgusting. There's a lot of junk food that's actually vegan, so you have to be careful diet wise.0
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When chicks hatch, they say about half are male, half are female. Because "layer" chickens can only be female, the egg company "throws" away the male chicks. They don't sell or do anything with the male chicks.
So, your demand for eggs forces the egg companies to separate the female chicks and kill the male ones.
I am sorry that you don't want that "curtain" opened for you.
i only eat eggs from a friend who keeps a few chickens. so, am i going to die or not?
quotes Sarauk2sf but copy and pasted the whole abstract:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7124663
Am J Clin Nutr. 1982 Oct;36(4):617-25.
Eggs, serum cholesterol, and coronary heart disease.
Dawber TR, Nickerson RJ, Brand FN, Pool J.
Abstract
The Framingham Study has investigated the effect of host and environmental factors on the development of coronary heart disease since 1949. Serum cholesterol level was determined to the one of the risk factors for coronary heart disease. The nutrient intake, in a subsample of the study population, was determined in 1957. A review of this material has permitted an estimate of egg consumption on each of 912 subjects. The serum cholesterol distribution curves of the subjects according to tertile of egg intake were almost identical, and no relationship between egg intake and coronary heart disease incidence was found. It is concluded that within the range of egg intake of this population differences in egg consumption were unrelated to blood cholesterol level or to coronary heart disease incidence.
The Framingham Study is of interest, so I did some more digging and here is what I found.
http://www.prescription2000.com/Interview-Transcripts/2011-02-18-william-castelli-heart-disease-lipids-transcript.html
I am quoting from a portion, you can read it all, that's fine.
KIRK HAMILTON: Let's say you had no medication and you could get everybody behaviorally to do everything you exactly wanted them to do by diet, the average American. How would you reverse the heart disease epidemic by diet?
DR. WILLIAM CASTELLI: I would. I would do it and it would work better than the drugs. And I can show you all of the reversibility trials and they were mostly drug trials.
KIRK HAMILTON: But what would the diet be if you didn't have drugs and you could get everybody to do exactly what you wanted diet-wise in the United States? How would you reverse the heart disease?
DR. WILLIAM CASTELLI: Well you'd have them on a pure vegetarian diet and not getting fat on the vegetarian diet....
KIRK HAMILTON: Well let me ask you, because you can say vegetarian diet and that can mean anything from a white flour vegetarian diet to you know a very -
DR. WILLIAM CASTELLI: It would have to be a whole grain -
--end quote
Dr. William Castelli is the Medical Director of the Framingham Cardiovascular Institute, so his interview is relevant. Now that you know that he advocates for a low fat diet, pure vegetarian diet, not XX-vegetarian, a pure one.
If you heard of Jim Fixx, he was considered Mr. Runner as he popularized jogging in America. He, unlike doctors that promote a low fat diet stated that as long as you exercise, you can eat anything. Well he died of a heart attack. This is general knowledge so you can google this.
I am going to quote Jeff Novick, who responded in a similar health board with his response.
"Exercise can lower cholesterol, both LDL and Total and raise HDL. However, the impact is minimal and mostly on HDL. "
Meaning, you can eat eggs, and work your butt off, but you are still raising your chances for heart disease and stroke.
Oh, and to answer your question, seriously. Which part of the many urls have I shown that of farmers that raise chickens in the open? Have I not asked people to look at how egg companies (not farmers) produce eggs? I guess you are just wanting to cause trouble by interrupting the discussion with a question that doesn't even apply.
Thanks for your input. Finishing off my run!0 -
When chicks hatch, they say about half are male, half are female. Because "layer" chickens can only be female, the egg company "throws" away the male chicks. They don't sell or do anything with the male chicks.
So, your demand for eggs forces the egg companies to separate the female chicks and kill the male ones.
I am sorry that you don't want that "curtain" opened for you.
i only eat eggs from a friend who keeps a few chickens. so, am i going to die or not?
quotes Sarauk2sf but copy and pasted the whole abstract:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7124663
Am J Clin Nutr. 1982 Oct;36(4):617-25.
Eggs, serum cholesterol, and coronary heart disease.
Dawber TR, Nickerson RJ, Brand FN, Pool J.
Abstract
The Framingham Study has investigated the effect of host and environmental factors on the development of coronary heart disease since 1949. Serum cholesterol level was determined to the one of the risk factors for coronary heart disease. The nutrient intake, in a subsample of the study population, was determined in 1957. A review of this material has permitted an estimate of egg consumption on each of 912 subjects. The serum cholesterol distribution curves of the subjects according to tertile of egg intake were almost identical, and no relationship between egg intake and coronary heart disease incidence was found. It is concluded that within the range of egg intake of this population differences in egg consumption were unrelated to blood cholesterol level or to coronary heart disease incidence.
The Framingham Study is of interest, so I did some more digging and here is what I found.
http://www.prescription2000.com/Interview-Transcripts/2011-02-18-william-castelli-heart-disease-lipids-transcript.html
I am quoting from a portion, you can read it all, that's fine.
KIRK HAMILTON: Let's say you had no medication and you could get everybody behaviorally to do everything you exactly wanted them to do by diet, the average American. How would you reverse the heart disease epidemic by diet?
DR. WILLIAM CASTELLI: I would. I would do it and it would work better than the drugs. And I can show you all of the reversibility trials and they were mostly drug trials.
KIRK HAMILTON: But what would the diet be if you didn't have drugs and you could get everybody to do exactly what you wanted diet-wise in the United States? How would you reverse the heart disease?
DR. WILLIAM CASTELLI: Well you'd have them on a pure vegetarian diet and not getting fat on the vegetarian diet....
KIRK HAMILTON: Well let me ask you, because you can say vegetarian diet and that can mean anything from a white flour vegetarian diet to you know a very -
DR. WILLIAM CASTELLI: It would have to be a whole grain -
--end quote
Dr. William Castelli is the Medical Director of the Framingham Cardiovascular Institute, so his interview is relevant. Now that you know that he advocates for a low fat diet, pure vegetarian diet, not XX-vegetarian, a pure one.
If you heard of Jim Fixx, he was considered Mr. Runner as he popularized jogging in America. He, unlike doctors that promote a low fat diet stated that as long as you exercise, you can eat anything. Well he died of a heart attack. This is general knowledge so you can google this.
I am going to quote Jeff Novick, who responded in a similar health board with his response.
"Exercise can lower cholesterol, both LDL and Total and raise HDL. However, the impact is minimal and mostly on HDL. "
Meaning, you can eat eggs, and work your butt off, but you are still raising your chances for heart disease and stroke.
Oh, and to answer your question, seriously. Which part of the many urls have I shown that of farmers that raise chickens in the open? Have I not asked people to look at how egg companies (not farmers) produce eggs? I guess you are just wanting to cause trouble by interrupting the discussion with a question that doesn't even apply.
Thanks for your input. Finishing off my run!
a simple 'yes' would suffice.0 -
a simple 'yes' would suffice.
Yes, but he would not have been able to cherry pick and quote me out of context then and also add someone's opinion that matched his own.0 -
I've been one my whole life so I know no different. Just wouldn't eat meat as a baby, only one in my family.0
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I ve been veggie since I was 13 ( a long time ago) and yes quorn is answer!!i've been vegetarian for 5 years now and im 18. there is only one word to say...QUORN, this is worlds best meat substitute, you can have all the meals you used to have but with quorn products (mince, sausages, fillets, nuggets etc) instead. i dont miss meat at all, plus quorn is lower is caloris and fat! goodluck!!0 -
My partner, my kids and myself have been veggie for 8 years, we have gone back and fourth between vegetarian/vegan. We made the move for ethical reasons and never looked back. Research is the biggest thing for me, even now there are things I am still finding out. Good luck :-)0
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Do we actually need to decide a cut off point « from now I am going to be vegetarian ? » Last year I decided to eat much less meat, especially red meat, because 1) I want to make a change environmentally 2) my belief is that the mass meat produce with all the hormones can do more harm than good. So it is better having a small piece of organic meat than a large hormone-laden steak or a tasteless chicken. I went from having meat every day (including various hams for protein snack while at work) to having 1-2 times per week, although I had few weeks without meat at all without even noticing.
I still eat fish – I don’t think it is affecting environment as much as growing meat (or does it?).
After my meat-less time I notice that the more you eat meat, the more you become meat-addict – it does not look any different from sweet-addict or alcohol-addict.
Also meat makes my stomach used to feeling “heavy”, and then I only feel satisfied after eating meat because nothing else feels as heavy – not the feeling I am looking for.
But I do not want to label myself and do black or white only, so I will never “decide” to be vegetarian, but eating more vegetarian is definitely a good thing.
Good luck to all!0 -
Not necessarily. You can still eat potato chips and things like Little Debbie snack cakes and French fries from anywhere but McDonalds and pasta and cheese.I'm seriously considering going vegetarian. It would really help me lose weight,
Heck, I know strict vegans who are overweight. I was much thinner when I ate meat than I have been since going veg.
By all means, go veg if you want to, but you still have to count calories and exercise and make sure you're eating a healthy, balanced diet.0 -
a simple 'yes' would suffice.
Yes, but he would not have been able to cherry pick and quote me out of context then and also add someone's opinion that matched his own.
I am not cherry picking, I am reading what you posted.0
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